in_nomine-digest Monday, September 2 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2761 In this digest: IN> The Heartless and Celestial Combat Re: IN>Something to chew on Re: IN>Something to chew on Re: IN>Something to chew on IN> Celform Artwork Re: IN>Something to chew on IN>Something to chew on Re: IN>Something to chew on Re: IN>Something to chew on Re: IN>Something to chew on Re: IN>Something to chew on Re: IN>Something to chew on Re: IN>Something to chew on IN> Songs of Elegy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 23:36:08 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: IN> The Heartless and Celestial Combat Suppose an Outcast or a Heartless Renegade, while on Earth, loses all his Corporeal Forces in celestial combat. Where does he go? Back to his "home" region of the celestial plane? (Makes the most sense to me...) The Marches? Limbo? (Of course, if it's Limbo, he's *permanently* screwed, since he needs a Corporeal Force to get out.) Soul-death? William ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 00:50:14 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN>Something to chew on Despite Canon description, how have you all subtly interpreted the >Choirs and Bands? > I tend to go by IN Anime with how they look celestially, but of course, like my attempts with Orc, all can see I am not the canon sort of guy. The only difference I have are for Grigori: In celestial form Gregori appear as winged giants with long hair and a third eye in the center of their forehead. I liked the third eye bit to represent their watcher status. and now the Calabim! I love this list as a resource! Jeff =) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 14:39:20 +0800 From: Manny Nepomuceno Subject: Re: IN>Something to chew on Hey, http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools/stuff/celforms.html This might take a while to load. And yes, they're fairly close to canon. ;) Manny Neps http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 14:20:32 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Something to chew on >Despite Canon description, how have you all subtly interpreted the >>Choirs and Bands? >> > >I tend to go by IN Anime with how they look celestially, but of course, >like my attempts with Orc, all can see I am not the canon sort of guy. > >The only difference I have are for Grigori: In celestial form Gregori >appear as winged giants with long hair and a third eye in the center of >their forehead. > >I liked the third eye bit to represent their watcher status. > >and now the Calabim! I love this list as a resource! > >Jeff =) > IN Anime. I really wish I had ordered that book. Oh well, I'll just wait a week or two. Can anyone give me a general discription of how they're portrayed in that book? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:43:59 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: IN> Celform Artwork Just wanted to publicly applaud your work, Manny. I only wished they were bigger so we could see more detail. ;^) We have a lot of good writing that heads to the list, but the few of you who are visual artists add a special color to the atmosphere here. I liked your Ofanite and Kyriotate pics best -- which, probably not coincidentally, are the ones that are the most "yours". :^) Hmm... maybe some of us who know music should do up a musical file for various entities in the Symphony; like a violin solo for a Seraph or a Balseraph. Ooh, just got the idea for a Balseraph midi: one of those tricksome little pieces that starts up in one direction and turns out to be something different entirely... William ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 16:48:37 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN>Something to chew on >How do you all see certain things in your game world, such as relievers, >Forces, etc? > Not entirely unlike how you do; relievers vary drastically, given the nature of them, but the ball of light that gradually gets bigger as it nears fledging comes to mind; in a sense, a mobile, sentient, active 'egg/cocoon' that draws ever-closer to hatching into that which it shall henceforth be. Or, in some cases, not quite so metamorphic; a reliever that KNOWS it's going to be an Ofanite is a little Cheerio of fire. (^_^) >For anyone who had played the game Final Fantasy 10, have you ever seen the >pyreflies? That strikes me exactly as how Forces would look, especially >when they floated around people, or >"scattered" when you killed an enemy. Makes sense, actually; briefly visible, flickers out of view after a moment, there-but-not. Then again, have whole sound effect schemes for my song usage; they sound less like actual 'songs' and more like song snippets...as a rather good example, and an excuse to ramble about something that was rather inherent to one dream I had that predated my discover of In Nomine, they speak in instrument voices. Why that is, I dunno. But Celestial languages are distinctively impossible by the average set of vocal cords, even Infernal. > >So I guess I'm asking how do you flavor your game world? > Rather good question...I'll answer a bit more in private, so as to not spam excessively. Kamika-Z, getting out the folio... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 18:46:19 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN>Something to chew on > At 8:40 PM -0400 8/31/02, BC Petery wrote: > *PSST! Turn off 8-bit! The <<>> on the twitch-twitch weren't > 7-bit ascii, and came through weird.* Actually that's a cross platform thing. Mac and Windows ASCII don't exactly match, so getting fancy with the Option and Command keys can manifest chaos features. >> And is it possible to redeem right out of Heaven of will the Divine Light >> (tm) blast you to smithereens? The latter I should think, not having a >> Vessel as a shield. My bad again. Your description of redemption in Heaven being easier was something I hadn't thought of. Very enlightening. However what I meant to ask was: And is it possible to _fall_ right out of Heaven or will the Divine Light (tm) blast you to smithereens? The latter I should think, not having a Vessel as a shield. That'll teach me to follow my own advice about proof reading at 11 PM. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 18:13:58 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN>Something to chew on >Andrealphus-ever seen "Angel Of Darkness"? I've always seen him as that >monstrous tentacled plant from that. Two words, man; Nightmare Campus. Andre's kinda school. > >Laurence-If you've played Baldur's Gate as a lawful good paladin, >you'll immediately see the potential resemblance. > Laurence, eternally, is matched in my head with Liu Bei of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms; if you ever play Dynasty Warriors 3 on PS2, and hear his Japanese voice, you'll notice why. Anime-wise, he has the Marron voice from Sorcerer Hunters. >Michael-Terry Bogard from King of Fighters. Which would make Baal Geese >Howard. Doesn't work; Geese is supposed to be older and more powerful. And Baal DEFINITELY isn't older than Michael. I see the two of them more as Haoh-Maru and Genjuro of Samurai Showdown. Michael, being the Angel and the elder, has the Super Badass Hairdo. Baal just has the 'dirtier', bloodier mooves. And Those Two are most certainly not boy scouts, given how often they try to kill each other. Anime-wise, Michael has ALWAYS been the black-haired smackdown-giver from Record of Lodoss War; Baal, correspondingly, has always had the voice of the red-headed former-king of that land... Kamika-Z ...and Belial sounds like Vegeta. No, really! :p > >Is it obvious I'm an anime fanatic?! > >===== >"A good author can make the mind imagine." > >"A great author can make the mind believe." > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes >http://finance.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 18:25:20 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN>Something to chew on >The only difference I have are for Grigori: In celestial form Gregori >appear as winged giants with long hair and a third eye in the center of >their forehead. Ironically, that's SOMEWHAT like what I had in mind...but the third eye manifested as a 'quirk' of vessals. However, while Children of the Grigori don't have a third eye, when they get their 9th(!) force, they develop a Stand...which is the equivalent of having a Celestial form with minor bit of quasi-Kyriotating. And the Stand is variant upon the parent's word/Superior... (as a sort of secret to my campaign, this also works for DemiGod/Ethereal Halfbreed children, as well, but at 7 forces, and they don't get a whole seperate body; they get a sort of living Talisman that is made from a portion of their forces. However, Children of the Grigori, and other Celestial Offspring, get full Stands, not the half-arsed ones the Ethereal-Spawn get. Nephalim RARELY develop them, but the ones who do have all of their Discords shunted into the Stand itself, making it a hideous phantom tool of destruction that generates disturbance, but is only visible to the Symphonically aware) Kamika-Z, JoJo fan and weilder of the Stand 'Big Groovy Funker'... > >I liked the third eye bit to represent their watcher status. > >and now the Calabim! I love this list as a resource! > >Jeff =) > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:28:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ong, Harvey" Subject: Re: IN>Something to chew on >Michael-Terry Bogard from King of Fighters. Which would make Baal >Geese >Howard. > Doesn't work; Geese is supposed to be older and more powerful. >And Baal DEFINITELY isn't older than Michael. I see the two of >them more as Haoh-Maru and Genjuro of Samurai Showdown. Michael, >being the Angel and the elder, has the Super Badass Hairdo. >Baal just has the 'dirtier', bloodier mooves. And Those Two are >most certainly not boy scouts, given how often they try to kill >each other. Anime-wise, Michael has ALWAYS been the black-haired >smackdown-giver from Record of Lodoss War; Baal, correspondingly, >has always had the voice of the red-headed former-king of that >land... My bad. It should have been Kyo Kusanagi for Michael (seeing that that guy always seems to win) and Iori Yagami for Baal. ===== "A good author can make the mind imagine." "A great author can make the mind believe." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 19:41:15 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN>Something to chew on >>The only difference I have are for Grigori: In celestial form Gregori >>appear as winged giants with long hair and a third eye in the center of >>their forehead. > > Ironically, that's SOMEWHAT like what I had in mind...but >the third eye manifested as a 'quirk' of vessals. I like the third eye. It does seem to fit with their nature. Along with that, I see the Grigori as wingless, due in part to their more earth-bound role in the Symphony. My base idea for the Grigori has to come from Micheal Zulli's drawings in Neil Gaiman's "The Wake," namely the golem that the Endless build and animate in the beginning. That image of a quiet tall man, bald, with a heart shape mark over it's chest. Course, Grigori in celestial form would be taller, but, for some reason, their being bald resonates with me. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 18:56:09 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN>Something to chew on >My bad. It should have been Kyo Kusanagi for Michael (seeing that that guy >always seems to win) and Iori Yagami for Baal. That makes a good deal more sense; the only other comparison that came to mind was Ryo and Robert from Art of Fighting, and Laurence as Yuri, but that just gets tacky, quickly... Kamika-Z Haoh...Sho-Go-Ken! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 19:55:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ong, Harvey" Subject: Re: IN>Something to chew on >That makes a good deal more sense; the only other comparison >that came to mind was Ryo and Robert from Art of Fighting, and >Laurence as Yuri, but that just gets tacky, quickly... WAY too tacky. ===== "A good author can make the mind imagine." "A great author can make the mind believe." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 23:52:52 -0400 From: EDG Subject: IN> Songs of Elegy Elegy The Songs of Elegy, discovered long ago by a Servitor of Death and only recently rediscovered in Israfel's archives, are Songs which call upon the memory and spirit of the recently departed to assist the performer and those around him. These Songs can be used to wreak vengeance, to guide the bereaved, or even to cheat death, at least for a few moments. However, although each version can be used once on a single victim, none can be used more than once by a single performer on the same victim, and the Celestial Song of Elegy can only ever be used once on a single departed soul. (Attempting to use the Song again results in automatic failure, with no Essence spent.) *Corporeal*: The Corporeal Song of Elegy exacts a dying victim's vengeance upon his killer. This Song must be performed over a newly-killed corpse: in fact, if the victim died more than a round prior to the performance, the Song simply does not work. However, performed properly, this Song adds the dead victim's Corporeal Forces to the Power and Accuracy of the next attack the performer makes upon the victim's killer. This bonus only lasts for a single attack, but the attack may be made at any time within the next CD hours. *Ethereal*: This Song allows the performer to kindle memories of the recently departed, either positive or negative at the performer's discretion, in the minds of those nearby who knew the subject. These memories last for but a moment, but their effects cause either a bonus or a penalty (for positive or negative memories, respectively) equal to the subject's Ethereal Forces to the next roll made by anyone within (5 * the CD) yards who knew the subject - including the performer, who must have known the subject himself. Those who were not acquainted with the subject are not affected, and the subject cannot have been dead for more than the performer's Ethereal Forces in days. *Celestial*: The Celestial Song of Elegy conjures an image of the deceased. This image has all of the memories and knowledge of the subject, and all of his vocal traits and mannerisms, but is incapable of making decisions or leaps of intuition (and, in fact, cannot spend Essence at all, and can only make a roll in one specific circumstance, detailed below): it is essentially a repository of the information that the subject knew, with instant and total recall (again, with one exception). It is also incorporeal and rooted to the spot (which may be anywhere within (the performer's Celestial Forces) feet of the performer), but is visible to anybody who chances to look in its direction. It can remember the events leading up to its death, but only vaguely; it must roll against the subject's Intelligence, at a penalty equal to (6 - the minutes between the event it is trying to recall and its death). (For example, a spirit image trying to recall the killer's face, which he only saw a minute before he died, would require an Intelligence roll at -5.) The roll to perform this Song is made at a penalty equal to the number of days since the subject's death, and the apparition only lasts for CD minutes, at which point it fades forever. Bonus: Protection and the War (Corporeal), Dreams and Nightmares (Ethereal), Lightning and Secrets (Celestial) Essence requirement: 1 (Corporeal and Ethereal), 2 (Celestial) Degree of disturbance: CD + the subject's Forces in that realm ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2761 ********************************