in_nomine-digest Monday, September 9 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2767 In this digest: Re: IN> A brief meditation on "The Sword" RE: IN> Aruanah - Kyriotate of Creation, Angel of The Moment IN>Final Transmission? Re: IN>Final Transmission? Re: IN>Final Transmission? IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? IN> Laurence, Courtly Manners, and a New Discord IN> Laurence, Courtly Manners, and a New Discord Re: IN>Final Transmission? Re: IN>Final Transmission? Re: IN>Final Transmission? Re: IN>Final Transmission? RE: IN>Final Transmission? Re: IN>Final Transmission? RE: IN>Final Transmission? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 10:07:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> A brief meditation on "The Sword" - --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Honor -- everyone agrees to that, though "honor" is a > very nebulous > concept in modern Anglophone society. Probably why Larry promotes religion in general and Christianity in particular so heavily -- honor (in the guise of religiously-based propriety) is still a common practice in church circles. Now, if people would stop being so selective about when they adhere to that honor, Laurence would be a very happy Archangel. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:45:15 +0100 From: "Nick Ashton" Subject: RE: IN> Aruanah - Kyriotate of Creation, Angel of The Moment Manny Nepomuceno wrote > Aruanah > Shedite of Fate > The Demon of Instant Gratification Wow, an alternate universe Aruanah already! Nice work, cheers Manny. :D ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 22:05:19 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: IN>Final Transmission? I recently read the two files in the IN Collection named "Final Transmission" part 1 and 2, and I was wondering what was it all about? I know Michael wrote it, but was that from a campaign or something, or just a very freaky piece of fiction? Either way, I just wanted to congradulate you on making something scary from a game that technically doesn't -have- anything that's all that freaky and inexplicable ^_^ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 18:28:06 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN>Final Transmission? >I recently read the two files in the IN Collection named "Final >Transmission" part 1 and 2, and I was wondering what was it all about? I >know Michael wrote it, but was that from a campaign or something, or just a >very freaky piece of fiction? You should look on the man's website http://www.stormloader.com/users/stormbringer/ ). The stuff he's written about "The Voice" and the Outsiders is weird, but the Nephalim write up is right out of Cthulhu. And you're right, great horror, especially to come out of a game that doesn't dwell on that type of genre. Speaking of which... who else would like to see some more stuff about Legion and Mariel (two Superiors IST Cthulhu if there ever were any)? Josh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 22:36:21 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Final Transmission? > >I recently read the two files in the IN Collection named "Final > >Transmission" part 1 and 2, and I was wondering what was it all about? I > >know Michael wrote it, but was that from a campaign or something, or just >a > >very freaky piece of fiction? > > >You should look on the man's website > http://www.stormloader.com/users/stormbringer/ ). The stuff he's written >about "The Voice" and the Outsiders is weird, but the Nephalim write up is >right out of Cthulhu. And you're right, great horror, especially to come >out of a game that doesn't dwell on that type of genre. Exactly. Even Demons of Nightmares are explainable, they're Demons of Nightmares! There's no real fear of the unknown, or greater unknown evil, since everything can be brought down to Heaven, Hell, or the Marches. And I also liked the Nephallim writeup. > >Speaking of which... who else would like to see some more stuff about >Legion >and Mariel (two Superiors IST Cthulhu if there ever were any)? I, for one, would love to see more about Legion and the Legion Campaign. For my next campaign, I plan to have one part of it go back to those days and what happened, and the horror of what the insane Shedite caused. I've already writin up a small bit of things about Legion as is. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:28:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Forman Subject: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? I saw Ms. McCoy mention recently that the Revelations cycle was generally considered "buggy," or some such. What is the reason for this conclusion? I imagine that it must indeed be a widely-held idea, for the Line Editor herself to say so. I bought a whole suite of In Nomine books five years ago, didn't do anything with them, and have recently come into it again with a new group of players (an Infernal campaign, if you can believe it). I've been Ebay-buying all the books I didn't have before, which includes three of the Rev. Cycle (specifically, I still need Marches and Final Trumpet). The reason I ask whether the Rev. Cycle is indeed buggy is not just a matter of game mechanics (or whatever causes people to consider the Cycle sub-par), but also a matter of money. Any help out there? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 20:28:56 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Laurence, Courtly Manners, and a New Discord Someone's been playing _Leisure Suit Larry._ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 20:28:56 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Laurence, Courtly Manners, and a New Discord Someone's been playing _Leisure Suit Larry._ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 03:51:17 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN>Final Transmission? Speaking of which... who else would like to see some more stuff about Legion and Mariel (two Superiors IST Cthulhu if there ever were any)? Oh yes! More of both, though I lean towards Legion as I have seen at least one good write up on Mariel and even using a servitor of hers in the game of mine. One plot line I am working on involves someone re-discovering the secret of Legion or even resurrecting him somehow. Still working on that. In anycase, to stop babbling, yes I would love to see more stuff about them. Jeff =) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 04:17:03 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN>Final Transmission? >Speaking of which... who else would like to see some more stuff about Legion >and Mariel (two Superiors IST Cthulhu if there ever were any)? > >In anycase, to stop babbling, yes I would love to see more stuff about them. > I am kicking myself over what I left on the family computer over the summer break. I've been getting pretty heavily involved in a Mage game (my usual method for playing RPGs is to research them heavily, buy the books or borrow them, read everything I can, etc.). Due to my fascination with some of the darker stuff that White Wolf has published (always loved horror), I started looking deeper in the Nephandi, the corrupted mages. They worship Corruption and Oblivion. Sound familiar? So, as I really started enjoying this game, and my mind tends to want to draw connections between different things, and since I have an obsession with IN, I took it upon myself to adapt Mage to IN. Not easy, believe me, but not totally impossible. Sub in essence for quintessence, disturbance, dissonance and discord for paradox, and give mages the ability to cast Song like effects with actually using essence (believe me, not as good a trade-off as it sounds) and it could work. Also was desperately trying to keep them from being a solid demonic bloc. That wasn't actually too hard. Quick run down was: Traditions- Heaven supported, but neither side knows it (except for the patron Archangels who give them support) Technocracy- Completely human run. No Celestial support (despite Vapula's attempts). Marauders- Ethereal based support. Think about it- Marches=Umbra and the beings in the Far Marches could easily be insane humans who can warp reality. Would explain the celestial reluctance to explore too deeply. Nephandi- Hell based, of course. I even started on a back story of the Nephandi showing how they came about due Mariel's experiements. For those of you unfamliar with Mage, the Nephandi go through a ceremony known as the Caul, wherein you basically have your soul torn from you, ripped inside out, and then stuffed back. This all takes place in a fleshy, womb like instrument called a Caul. Legion is what happens when a shedite tries to possess a Caul. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 05:46:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN>Final Transmission? - --- Josh Moger wrote: > I took it upon myself to adapt Mage to IN. You're right, not easy. Interesting potential, though. > Traditions- Heaven supported, but neither side knows it > (except for the > patron Archangels who give them support) Hmmm... I dunno. The Dreamspeakers seem more Ethereally-based to me (of the AA's, the only ones who'd _openly_ back them are Jordi and Novalis. And I'm not sure about Jordi). The Cult of Ecstasy was definitely Eli's idea, but Andrealphus and Haagenti have developed some influence there. The Order of Hermes seems like an entirely human-run outfit; they're the quintessential (no pun intended) sorcerers on which IN's Sorcery rules are based. > Technocracy- Completely human run. No Celestial support > (despite Vapula's attempts). I disagree. Have you read the Technocracy Convention books? Vapula has his fingers in the Technocracy pie up to his wrist. > Marauders- Ethereal based support. These guys I see as being an Ethereal project gone horribly wrong. As in, they started out with Ethereal support but their power and madness grew beyond their handlers' control. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:28:03 +0100 From: "I. Inayat" Subject: Re: IN>Final Transmission? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Walton" To: Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 1:46 PM Subject: Re: IN>Final Transmission? > --- Josh Moger wrote: > > I took it upon myself to adapt Mage to IN. > > You're right, not easy. Interesting potential, though. > > Traditions- Heaven supported, but neither side knows it > > (except for the > > patron Archangels who give them support) > > Hmmm... I dunno. The Dreamspeakers seem more > Ethereally-based to me (of the AA's, the only ones who'd > _openly_ back them are Jordi and Novalis. And I'm not sure > about Jordi). The Cult of Ecstasy was definitely Eli's > idea, but Andrealphus and Haagenti have developed some > influence there. The Order of Hermes seems like an > entirely human-run outfit; they're the quintessential (no > pun intended) sorcerers on which IN's Sorcery rules are > based. Oh, I dunno. I could see Eli backing the Dreamspeakers. On the covert side, I can see Blandine helping out... I can see a connection with Jordi, through the animal spirits - but the Dreamspeakers' focus is on the human communities they act for, which isn't Jordi's main sphere. (and with urban and technoshamans in the Speaker mix, I'd imagine Jordi leands towards the less 'civilised' shamans.) The OoH's Enochian, supposedly the language of the angels, suggests interesting possibilities. The Verbena's reverence for life's cycle (which includes pain and sacrifice)... I think Jordi's influence is strongest with them. > > Technocracy- Completely human run. No Celestial support > > (despite Vapula's attempts). > > I disagree. Have you read the Technocracy Convention > books? Vapula has his fingers in the Technocracy pie up to > his wrist. Actually, looking at the revised Iteration X Convention book, (the engineers in the Technos), and the Guide to the Technocracy, I'd say the Technos are caught between Jean and Vapula (with Mammon and Marc getting in on the Syndicate). The NWO... hm. Asmodeus? Dominic? Nybbas? (media manipulation) Imran ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:21:23 +0300 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN>Final Transmission? > Marauders- Ethereal based support. - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Walton [mailto:thunderdog_sa@yahoo.com] These guys I see as being an Ethereal project gone horribly wrong. As in, they started out with Ethereal support but their power and madness grew beyond their handlers' control. ===== I could argue their case for being Ethereal's driven insane by the Purity Crusade too. What about those Sons of Ether weirdos's? Sounds like Kobal poking fun at Vapula to me. DS1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:24:27 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Final Transmission? > >Quick run down was: >Traditions- Heaven supported, but neither side knows it (except for the >patron Archangels who give them support) >Technocracy- Completely human run. No Celestial support (despite Vapula's >attempts). >Marauders- Ethereal based support. Think about it- Marches=Umbra and the >beings in the Far Marches could easily be insane humans who can warp >reality. Would explain the celestial reluctance to explore too deeply. >Nephandi- Hell based, of course. Huh. Mage as IN. I remember reading a lot of GURPS Mage, and kinda liking the idea of the system. If I had the book still, I'd take a stab at it myself. But the way you described it seems pretty nominal to me. Except for the Technocracy, who -must- be a subset of Vapula, or a Jean experiment gone terribly wrong. It just seems right that way. And although I'm not sure what a Caul is, I'd like to know how you treat Legion in that respect. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:17:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN>Final Transmission? - --- "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" wrote: > I could argue their case for being Ethereal's driven > insane by the Purity Crusade too. Nah... WW's real clear on Marauders being human. > What about those Sons of Ether weirdos's? Sounds like > Kobal poking fun at Vapula to me. Could be. But if Jean had influence in Mage society, it would be with this group. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

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