in_nomine-digest Wednesday, September 11 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2770 In this digest: IN> Railroad Plots (Re: Revelations Cycle = Buggy?) Re: IN> Railroad Plots (Re: Revelations Cycle = Buggy?) Re: IN> Railroad Plots (Re: Revelations Cycle = Buggy?) Re: IN> Railroad Plots (Re: Revelations Cycle = Buggy?) Re: IN> Railroad Plots (Re: Revelations Cycle = Buggy?) Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? Re: IN> Look, do yourself a favor and just read this in the morning... Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? RE: IN>Final Transmission? IN> Need help with C.O.B.R.A. and In Nomine! IN>World Maps? Re: IN>World Maps? Re: IN> Need help with C.O.B.R.A. and In Nomine! IN> The Commercial Channel Re: IN> Look, do yourself a favor and just read this in the morning... Re: IN> The Commercial Channel Re: IN> Look, do yourself a favor and just read this in the morning... Re: IN> Look, do yourself a favor and just read this in the morning... Re: IN>Final Transmission? Re: IN>Final Transmission? Re: IN>Final Transmission? Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? Re: IN> The Commercial Channel IN> Bonsai Kittens RE: IN> The Commercial Channel Re: IN> The Commercial Channel Re: IN>Final Transmission? Re: IN> The Commercial Channel Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? Re: IN> The Commercial Channel IN> The Demon of Obeli Re: IN> The Demon of Obeli Re: IN> The Demon of Obeli Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:43:28 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Railroad Plots (Re: Revelations Cycle = Buggy?) At 9:30 PM -0400 9/9/02, Cameron McCurry wrote: >(Somewhat mild spoilers for those who don't actually have the Rev Cycle books) > > > > > > > After they are either Outcast or branded as Renegades following the events >of FOTM. They have no choice about this and no chance to solve the events in a >better way. *chuckle* I am put in mind -- as I suspect Derek was, when writing the outline of this bit -- of a pre-existing French adventure, in which the PCs are given the name of a secret Renegade-Outcast organization contact, and told that in 5 minutes, the angel they are talking to will swear up and down that he witnessed the PCs engaging in non-consensual activities with several nuns to the angels of the Sword who will show up. They can start running now. What's more, he only gives them 4 minutes or so. Naturally, there are no Seraphim in the French version. - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:41:02 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN> Railroad Plots (Re: Revelations Cycle = Buggy?) >*chuckle* I am put in mind -- as I suspect Derek was, when writing the >outline of this bit -- of a pre-existing French adventure, in which the >PCs are given the name of a secret Renegade-Outcast organization contact, >and told that in 5 minutes, the angel they are talking to will swear up >and down that he witnessed the PCs engaging in non-consensual activities >with several nuns to the angels of the Sword who will show up. They can >start running now. > >What's more, he only gives them 4 minutes or so. > >Naturally, there are no Seraphim in the French version. *laughs* That sounds like a good one ^_^ of course, that could work in a non-Seraph party. I can see it, a few Demons of Kobal, a bunch of angry Malak's, and a few PC's (angelic or demonic!) getting into hot water... All a misuderstanding of course. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:51:31 -0700 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> Railroad Plots (Re: Revelations Cycle = Buggy?) Sirea Theyal wrote: > > >*chuckle* I am put in mind -- as I suspect Derek was, when writing the > >outline of this bit -- of a pre-existing French adventure, in which the > >PCs are given the name of a secret Renegade-Outcast organization contact, > >and told that in 5 minutes, the angel they are talking to will swear up > >and down that he witnessed the PCs engaging in non-consensual activities > >with several nuns to the angels of the Sword who will show up. They can > >start running now. > > > >What's more, he only gives them 4 minutes or so. > > > >Naturally, there are no Seraphim in the French version. > > *laughs* That sounds like a good one ^_^ of course, that could work in a > non-Seraph party. Only if the party is stupid or the Swordies are trigger-happy (enough to get called on the carpet) (or it's a Dark/Backwards game). Forget calling for a Seraph, just switch to celestial form and say in Angelic, "We didn't do what he said we did." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:18:30 +0100 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: Re: IN> Railroad Plots (Re: Revelations Cycle = Buggy?) - -----Original Message----- From: Kish >Only if the party is stupid or the Swordies are trigger-happy (enough to >get called on the carpet) (or it's a Dark/Backwards game). Forget >calling for a Seraph, just switch to celestial form and say in Angelic, >"We didn't do what he said we did." The French game allows a lot more ambiguity by (a) not having Seraphim, (b) not having the "you cannot lie in the angelic tongue", (c) even having it be possible for angels to imitate demonic form in order to spy on them -- under Emmanuel, Prince of the Double Game. :) It makes for a great deal more confusion . . . Genevieve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:58:31 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN> Railroad Plots (Re: Revelations Cycle = Buggy?) >Only if the party is stupid or the Swordies are trigger-happy (enough to >get called on the carpet) (or it's a Dark/Backwards game). Forget >calling for a Seraph, just switch to celestial form and say in Angelic, >"We didn't do what he said we did." Well, obviously, but you can set it up so it's just a bit of harmless fun too. It doesn't always have to be dead-serious-kill-everything. Just get some Malak's angry cause they failed a mission or something, and go for it. Like I said, a little fun misunderstanding ^_^ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:45:56 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? At 4:47 PM -0400 9/9/02, BC Petery wrote: >The plot hole is that since AA Davy told him to allow evil to live it >wouldn't be Max's choice, and therefore would not generate dissonance. No, that's not a plot hole. It was, originally, but then the Line Editor (*cough*) stepped in and fixed his oaths. It's his OTHER oaths which are screwing him six ways from Sunday. They don't have the "if it's my choice" clause in them. - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:47:15 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? At 6:45 PM -0700 9/9/02, Kish wrote: >Cameron McCurry wrote: >> >> (Somewhat mild spoilers for those who don't actually have the Rev Cycle books) >> After they are either Outcast or branded as Renegades following the events >> of FOTM. > >...in, I might add, a direct violation of Dominic's dissonance >conditions which he apparently feels no dissonance from. IIRC, it's mostly a ruse to get Khalid to speak to them, so it's not a _real_ Outcasting? Either that, or Dominic feels it necessary enough that he eats the dissonance and doesn't say anything about it. I mean, he cooperates with Asmodeus sometimes, so it's not like he's unfamiliar with keeping his Seraphic mouth shut. - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:52:10 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Look, do yourself a favor and just read this in the morning... Moe, you're SICK AND TWISTED. Now, if I can only stop LAUGHING... - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:58:02 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? At 12:47 PM -0400 9/10/02, BC Petery wrote: >B: When setting up the scenario it is stated that Scamper was blasted out of >existance, a little later it says it was Scurvy. On TFT108 it says it was >Scamper who survived. Is this one in the errata? If not, then either gimme the refs so I can enter them into the Submit Errata page, or, well, you can do it if you want. O:> - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:38:30 -0600 From: Julian Mensch Subject: RE: IN>Final Transmission? > > Still, an interesting idea of a primordial Novalis. > > Might as well. The "peace, love and understanding" of the Canon Novalis > doesn't fit in the World of Darkness. Whyever not? There seems to be a really sharp stereotype of the WoD on this list. Read the CoX tradbook, the Children of Gaia tribebook and just about any commoners material for Changeling. There certainly is room for "peace, love and understanding" in the WoD. It just has to push a _lot_ harder to be heard, and fails a lot more often. IMO, that makes it's occasional successes all the more heroic. - -- Julian Mensch ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:47:55 -0600 From: Brian Westcott Subject: IN> Need help with C.O.B.R.A. and In Nomine! - --------------0637B21766ADE07F793BECBF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all. I am new to the In Nomine list. Here is my situation and I was wondering if anyone of you experienced players may be able to help me out: after seeing "The Prophecy" starring Christopher Walken as Gabriel while I was on vacation last week in Portland, Oregon, I started to get inspired about trading my Silver Age Sentinels RPG book, the DC Universe RPG books and some DC Heroes RPG books for some In Nomine ones instead. Anyway, I was wondering if someone from the list could please read my history of C.O.B.R.A. web site for me at: http://www.brianrich.net/cobra.html I would love to convert this organization for the In Nomine RPG, but how? At least, parts three through nine are all orginal material written by yours truly! Maybe the Lords of Order and Lords of Chaos are actually angels and demons all vying for Brian's attention. I still would like to have my C.O.B.R.A. Commander character retain his special powers (flying, energy blasts, force field, turning invisible, dimensional travel), but is that possible in the In Nomine universe without having to rely on magic? All I'm asking for is some advice on how to convert C.O.B.R.A. to In Nomine and if the material could be written for the game itself, with a lot of editing, of course. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated! Also, which In Nomine books do I need in order to help me get started with my campaign? Thanks for your time! Brian Westcott brian@brianrich.net Meridian, Idaho http://www.brianrich.net/cobra.html - --------------0637B21766ADE07F793BECBF Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all.  I am new to the In Nomine list. Here is my situation and I was wondering if anyone of you experienced players may be able to help me out: after seeing "The Prophecy" starring Christopher Walken as Gabriel while I was on vacation last week in Portland, Oregon, I started to get inspired about trading my Silver Age Sentinels RPG book, the DC Universe RPG books and some DC Heroes RPG books for some In Nomine ones instead.
 Anyway, I was wondering if someone from the list could please read my history of C.O.B.R.A. web site for me at:
http://www.brianrich.net/cobra.html
    I would love to convert this organization for the In Nomine RPG, but how?  At least, parts three through nine are all orginal material written by yours truly!  Maybe the Lords of Order and Lords of Chaos are actually angels and demons all vying for Brian's attention.
    I still would like to have my C.O.B.R.A. Commander character retain his special powers (flying, energy blasts, force field, turning invisible, dimensional travel), but is that possible in the In Nomine universe without having to rely on magic?
   All I'm asking for is some advice on how to convert C.O.B.R.A. to In Nomine and if the material could be written for the game itself, with a lot of editing, of course.  Any help on this would be greatly appreciated!  Also, which In Nomine books do I need in order to help me get started with my campaign?  Thanks for your time!

Brian Westcott
brian@brianrich.net
Meridian, Idaho
http://www.brianrich.net/cobra.html
  - --------------0637B21766ADE07F793BECBF-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:48:55 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: IN>World Maps? Can I ask a favor? Does anyone know a website that can show be a pretty detailed world map of the year 1000 AD? I dunno if it made it to the list, but I have the desire to flesh out the specs of my Legion Days campaign more, and wanted a map to determine Legion's area of control and sites of major battles and such. Much apprecited if anyone knows ^_^; (Oh, and I checked the library I was in, but no go yet) - -Sirea, Free Cherub _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:00:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN>World Maps? - --- Sirea Theyal wrote: > Can I ask a favor? Does anyone know a website that can > show be a pretty > detailed world map of the year 1000 AD? Look for stuff on biblical archaeology; that'll probably have what you need. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

__________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:13:58 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Need help with C.O.B.R.A. and In Nomine! You must turn HTML (or "rich-text") off in your email preferences before you post again. Posting in HTML is a violation of the listrules. If you haven't read the listrules yet, please do so. There are two ways to get a copy of the listrules: - - Send an email to majordomo@lists.io.com, no subject, with a body reading "info in_nomine-l". - - Go to http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html. At 03:47 PM 9/10/2002 -0600, you wrote: > I still would like to have my C.O.B.R.A. Commander character retain > his special powers (flying, energy blasts, force field, turning > invisible, dimensional travel), but is that possible in the In Nomine > universe without having to rely on magic? Aside from dimensional travel (and I admit now to having not visited your page yet, so I'm not exactly sure what you mean here), all of these are Songs in In Nomine. ("Magic" is limited to Sorcery, which doesn't have this sort of application.) In fact, every one of them appears in the core rules (you're looking, in specific, for the Songs of Motion, Light, Shields, and Form, respectively). They are revised, if slightly, in the Liber Canticorum. The only In Nomine book you *need* is the In Nomine Core Rules. Other than that, check out the Liber books (Liberi Canticorum, Castellorum, Reliquarum, Servitorum, and sometimes You Are Here (informally Liber Locorum)), and the Players' Guides (including the Game Master's Guide). The Revelations Cycle and the Superiors books are generally good resources (if nothing else, they provide rules and write-ups that don't appear elsewhere), but don't seem salient to what you want to do. More information can be found on the In Nomine website: http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/ - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:07:23 -0400 From: EDG Subject: IN> The Commercial Channel The Commercial Channel There's a new channel on cable television. Occupying the slot once taken by a short-lived Bah'ai evangelist station, the Commercial Channel (abbreviated COMM, or ComChan) has a very simple purpose: it broadcasts commercials, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Now, these aren't all modern ads. Granted, about half of the ads shown are for products currently on the market, but ComChan goes out of its way to conspicuously mark those that it's broadcasting for style, design, mood, humor, or nostalgia value. These range from the now-classic "spicy meatball" spot to Avery Brooks's "flying cars" IBM advertisement. ComChan was founded in the second quarter of 2002 by a business tycoon who noted the success of television shows like "The Best Ads Ever" and websites like AdCritic.com. Since its recent introduction, it's taken off like wildfire: it had higher ratings in its first three months of broadcast than any other cable network *ever*, and it's been able to maintain them through - - wouldn't you know it - sly advertising campaigns and general word of mouth. People will sit for hours knowing that a single clever ad will be shown, or just watch the ads and laugh at the tactics of yesteryear. That's the problem, actually. People are not only watching this instead of watching other television, they're watching this instead of doing other things. Advertisers were thrilled at first, until someone pointed out that not going to work means you have no money to buy things. So companies have pulled ads (while others quickly filled the slots), sent ads in pleading with customers to go about their lives - to no avail. The ratings grow every week, and it seems as though nothing short of taking the channel off the air will stop it. Angelic PCs will, of course, be dispatched to find out what it is that Nybbas is putting into production this time, and to stop it if possible. This channel even has a few Soldiers in its thrall, and Heaven wants it stopped - as covertly as possible, of course, and since it's not a *huge* threat they're not sending in the big guns - but also as quickly as possible. If their current Roles won't cover the infiltration, they'll be assigned temporary Roles as TV crew or station staff. And here's the second problem: Demonic PCs will have the same goal, only it's Eli that Hell's worried about. The truth is that neither side has influenced the creation or popularity of the Commercial Channel; Nybbas is swearing a blue streak that he didn't think of it first, and Marc thinks (albeit mostly to himself) that if it weren't for its addictive quality it would be a boon to society. But this is entirely the invention of the business tycoon who takes credit for it - and is a natural, five-Force human, with almost no celestial influence on him whatsoever. Of course, one of the ways the PCs could detect this is by noticing the fledgling Tether that's forming in ComChan headquarters (in Albuquerque, New Mexico), flitting back and forth between Trade and the Media... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:14:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Look, do yourself a favor and just read this in the morning... - --- Sirea Theyal wrote: > Forgive me when I say I think I'm going to be > violently SICK >_< I guess that means that you don't want to hear about what Vapula did with the ducklings, huh? Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:20:57 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN> The Commercial Channel >The Commercial Channel > >There's a new channel on cable television. Occupying the slot once taken >by a short-lived Bah'ai evangelist station, the Commercial Channel >(abbreviated COMM, or ComChan) has a very simple purpose: it broadcasts >commercials, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. *laughs* I love this! It's always been a recurring nightmare of mine that someone, someday, would make something like this. I'd take it as a sign of the Apocalypse -_-; (I HATE HATE HATE commercials!!) > >Now, these aren't all modern ads. Granted, about half of the ads shown are >for products currently on the market, but ComChan goes out of its way to >conspicuously mark those that it's broadcasting for style, design, mood, >humor, or nostalgia value. These range from the now-classic "spicy >meatball" spot to Avery Brooks's "flying cars" IBM advertisement. So it's like an all-year round superbowl competition? Makes me wonder if something like this could work ir real life as it is. >The truth is that neither side has influenced the creation or popularity of >the Commercial Channel; Nybbas is swearing a blue streak that he didn't >think of it first, and Marc thinks (albeit mostly to himself) that if it >weren't for its addictive quality it would be a boon to society. But this >is entirely the invention of the business tycoon who takes credit for it - >and is a natural, five-Force human, with almost no celestial influence on >him whatsoever. Yay! Celestials cant always take all the credit. I like little seeds like this. Nice work. - -Sirea, Free Cherub (Who again, -hates- commercials _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:25:57 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN> Look, do yourself a favor and just read this in the morning... > >--- Sirea Theyal wrote: > > Forgive me when I say I think I'm going to be > > violently SICK >_< > >I guess that means that you don't want to hear about >what Vapula did with the ducklings, huh? > >Moe Noooo!!! It was bad enough with the bunnies (I love bunnies ;-;) but not the ducklings! Anything but the ducklings!! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:14:07 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Look, do yourself a favor and just read this in the morning... >> Forgive me when I say I think I'm going to be >> violently SICK >_< > >I guess that means that you don't want to hear about >what Vapula did with the ducklings, huh? > >Moe > ...::twitch::... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:51:03 -0600 From: "Wade Lahoda" Subject: Re: IN>Final Transmission? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Walton" > The Technocracy is also against free will for the masses, > which runs counter to Heaven's agenda. Does it? I mean, does it entirely? Free will isn't a goal - it's a reality. But I would think that "Selflessness" certainly can be seen to align more closely with a society that is "Society is more important than the individual", or "Group is the primary unit" than our current "The individual is more important than society" Western view. Even in a moderately bright, high contrast game heaven can seem pretty strict and regimented. Even stifling. And in a dark, low contrast game... Well, it's easy to see that wheras Hell is the evil and oppression of rule by the strongest, sheer "Everyone for themselves" chaos(the savage barabarian hoarde), Heaven can easily be the evil and oppression of rule by strongly opposed authority from above, everything for "The Good of the Symphony", a totalitarian regime. You don't even have to go close to backwards to see it that way, either. A. Wade Lahoda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:56:54 -0600 From: "Wade Lahoda" Subject: Re: IN>Final Transmission? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "BC Petery" > > Still, an interesting idea of a primordial Novalis. > > Might as well. The "peace, love and understanding" of the Canon Novalis > doesn't fit in the World of Darkness. The whole point of the World of Darkness is that there are, fundementally, no good people. Or, at least, no important good people. Good intentions will always be warped by circumstances, and accomplishments will always be tarnished. It is, incidentally, an infectious mindset. After years of running almost all WoD stuff, I've definately seen myself slipping into World of Darkness mode while running In Nomine. I try to avoid it. Often, in In Nomine, there will be a catch 22 when someone is nice or offers help - just like in the real world. But just like in the real world, they are just sincerely trying to help. But I think my In Nomine game might be starting to backslide after I started running a Sabbat campaign as well... ;) A. Wade Lahoda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 02:45:16 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN>Final Transmission? ::smack smack smack... Josh stops before the handprint on his forehead becomes permanent:: BACKWARDS IN! It's perfect! Okay, would have to do a bit of fiddling around... and we certainly couldn't give the Traditions over to the Archangels... but Mage could so very well work in Backwards. Also would make sense what, with the entire point of Mage being that you are impose your sense of reality onto what's commonly accepted. Oh, and before I forget, wanted to redefINe some Mage concepts: Nodes. Nodes in Mage are points on the Earth where the spirit plane have intersected closely, or where people feel one emotion more than any other, etc. Mages can drain quintessence from these places, thus making their magic easier (one of the things that blew me away when I first read about Mage- you don't need anything to power the magic. You do that. Course, without quintessence, you also can start falling into massive amounts of Paradox- think making tons of disturbance, getting dissonance, and eventually developing a slew of Discord- all as a human (and no, this wouldn't protect you from the weirder Discords either.)). Nodes have another name in IN- Tethers. No, listen. Tethers are perfect. They're put there (unintentionally) by humans who tend to experience one emotion about a certain concept so much that the area develops a pathway to Heaven, Hell, or the Marches. It's perfect. Course, there is the little bit about the Seneschal. And the fact that siphoning essence is Loud. Oh, and for the purposes of essence/dissonance (or Quintessence/Paradox) I think it's alright to effectively double the Forces of the Mage. These phantom Forces, for the purpose of combining these two systems, is the Avatar. It's what sets Mages apart. Huh... Actually, now that I think about it... I think I did consider Backwards at first, but decided that it would be too much like my Backward IN: Matrix. Still need to finish that one... Josh (Dinnae worry good Archangel Beth, the next installment... whenever that'll be... won't be 23 kb again. Very sorry about that...) ------------------------------ Date: 11 Sep 2002 10:19:17 +0200 From: Rens Houben Subject: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 22:47, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 6:45 PM -0700 9/9/02, Kish wrote: > >Cameron McCurry wrote: > >> > >> (Somewhat mild spoilers for those who don't actually have the Rev Cycle books) >...in, I might add, a direct violation of Dominic's dissonance > >conditions which he apparently feels no dissonance from. > IIRC, it's mostly a ruse to get Khalid to speak to them, so it's not > a _real_ Outcasting? Either that, or Dominic feels it necessary enough > that he eats the dissonance and doesn't say anything about it. I mean, > he cooperates with Asmodeus sometimes, so it's not like he's unfamiliar > with keeping his Seraphic mouth shut. That, and just how good is that Cloak of his at hiding dissonance and Discord? As a Seraph Archangel he can probable still use his resonance for Truth even through amounts of dissonance that would leave lesser angels straining in agony just to move.... > --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor > http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ - -- Rens Houben / Shadur t'Kharn: Linux guru, programmer, geek, dreamer. GPG public key at: http://dwagon.sandwich.net/~shadur/pgpkey -- new 08/23/2000 Resume at http://dwagon.sandwich.net/~shadur/CV/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:01:16 -0700 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: Re: IN> The Commercial Channel Well if Saminga has to live with the fact that humans thought up the Holocaust on their own, Nybbas can live with this. The irritating part is that I can see someone actually creating this network. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:10:18 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Bonsai Kittens > You see, there was no theoretical > limit to the number of Bonsai Kittens that could be > attached to a standard vessel. Oh. Now I think I have an idea how legion did his multi-possession thing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:20:15 +0300 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> The Commercial Channel It's called "The Shopping Channel" - -----Original Message----- From: Cameron McCurry [mailto:cmccurry@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:01 PM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: Re: IN> The Commercial Channel Well if Saminga has to live with the fact that humans thought up the Holocaust on their own, Nybbas can live with this. The irritating part is that I can see someone actually creating this network. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:37:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Commercial Channel ROACLMWO! I could cause all sorts of trouble with this! =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

__________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:40:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN>Final Transmission? - --- Wade Lahoda wrote: > But I would think that "Selflessness" certainly > can be seen to > align more closely with a society that is "Society is > more important than > the individual", or "Group is the primary unit" than our > current "The > individual is more important than society" Western view. Good point. > Even in a > moderately bright, high contrast game heaven can seem > pretty strict and > regimented. Even stifling. And in a dark, low contrast > game... ...the Technocracy probably would be aligned with Heaven. Point conceded. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

__________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:43:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Commercial Channel - --- Cameron McCurry wrote: > The irritating part is that I can see someone actually > creating this network. Or at least making it a feature on TV Land. And IIRC, the Commercial Channel was a radio station in the movie Demolition Man. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

__________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:49:05 -0700 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? >>It's his OTHER oaths which are screwing him six ways from Sunday. They don't have the "if it's my choice" clause in them. I still don't see how that caused so much Dissonance with him. He was obeying orders given to him by his own Archangel. He wasn't captured by the demons, just tortured. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:55:38 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> The Commercial Channel At 05:43 AM 9/11/2002 -0700, you wrote: > Or at least making it a feature on TV Land. And IIRC, >the Commercial Channel was a radio station in the movie >Demolition Man. Really? I hadn't noticed. Maybe I'll have to watch that again. ;) - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:24:26 -0400 From: EDG Subject: IN> The Demon of Obeli Andracho Impudite Demon of Obeli Corporeal Forces: 3 Strength: 6 Agility: 6 Ethereal Forces: 4 Intelligence: 8 Precision: 8 Celestial Forces: 3 Will: 6 Perception: 6 Suggested Word-Forces: 1-2 Skills: Knowledge (Area (Modern Austria/4, Modern France/3, Modern Germany/6), Higher Mathematics/6, Mathematics/6, Scholarship/6), Languages (English/3, German/6, French/3) Vessel: Human/2 Role: Wilmot Tabrune, German Scholar/philosopher 4/3 Attunements: Impudite of Fate, Demon of Obeli Demon of Obeli: For one Essence, Andracho can place a mark on a number of consecutive pages of text equal to his Celestial Forces which only he may remove. Until the mark is removed, Andracho can recall the full text of the marked pages, in eidetic detail, with an Intelligence roll. The mark remains for an indefinite period - either until he removes it, or until he dies or is stripped of the Word of Obeli. Andracho is an example of the pseudo-ineffability of the Prince of Fate. (Where nobody thinks to question Yves, nobody *wants* to question Kronos.) Created specifically for this Word some four hundred years ago, Andracho has been living in Germany, eking out a living as a scholar/philosopher (some might call him a sage), and subtly influencing the history of scholarship. Unfortunately, Kronos never did get around to telling him - or, for that matter, any other demon with whom Andracho's ever come into contact - exactly why the Prince of Fate created Andracho, or why he was granted his Word and his Role within half an hour of coming into existence. It hasn't particularly bothered Andracho - after all, Kronos is "ineffable" - but sometimes it nags at the back of his mind. Many mistake him, at a single glance at his Word, for someone interested in ancient coinage; in fact this is not the case. Andracho's charge is a textual marker, often known as a "dagger", which denotes a footnote; it also takes the form of a line drawn between a colon, which represents questionable or spurious passages in text. Andracho last directly influenced his Word when he convinced the scholar Johann Rahn to use an obelus as the symbol for short division, and since has been mostly content to watch his charge grow and spread. Andracho greatly admires Nybbas; the obelus gained a new lease on life with the introduction of mass printing, and it is now used daily in page layout and design. However, the second usage - that of a marker for doubtful information - has fallen entirely out of vogue, and Andracho is worried that the short-division symbol is doing the same thing. Within the past few years, he has started a grassroots campaign to reintroduce the obelus as a symbol of division and spurious text, and it seems to be taking hold. The trouble is, on one of Kronos's recent visits, the Prince asked Andracho whether he had ever thought about expanding his Word. Now Andracho has another weight on his shoulders: not only does his Prince obviously want him to grow more powerful, but Andracho can't decide between Daggers or Long Division as a next step up. And he still doesn't know what purpose he's supposed to serve... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:04:11 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of Obeli >Andracho >Impudite Demon of Obeli Well, this is different. Is the obeli the / sign, or that sign with a line and a dot above and below it? And how in the nine hells is one demon supposed to promote something as silly as -that-?! Kronos isn't ineffable. He's just a meanie ;-; _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:23:35 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of Obeli At 04:04 PM 9/11/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Well, this is different. Is the obeli the / sign, or that sign with a line >and a dot above and below it? And how in the nine hells is one demon >supposed to promote something as silly as -that-?! The obelus is *either* the dagger-symbol (often a simple cross, although it's occasionally embellished. A vertical line with two crossbars is a double obelus, or double-dagger) or the line through the colon: . - --- . (Mm. Demon of ASCII Art.) The slash (/) is just a slash. :) >Kronos isn't ineffable. He's just a meanie ;-; Of course, now I have an IN Anime image in my head of Magical Girl Kronos, with Shojo Mallet... - -EDG and isn't Tohya Miho a great Saminga? ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:02:03 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? At 10:19 AM +0200 9/11/02, Rens Houben wrote: >On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 22:47, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> At 6:45 PM -0700 9/9/02, Kish wrote: >> >Cameron McCurry wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >...in, I might add, a direct violation of Dominic's dissonance >> >conditions which he apparently feels no dissonance from. [...] >T As a Seraph Archangel he can probable still use his resonance >for Truth even through amounts of dissonance that would leave lesser >angels straining in agony just to move.... More to the point, he can use the "burn 10 Essence and do something angelic" method to remove it. (Or one of the other methods, but that's the easiest one.) So okay, he got nailed over here. Over there, he's using Kyrio resonance and someone's lifting a bus off innocent victims of a drunk driver... Presto, no more note of dissonance! (Which is why the GMG, discussing Superiors, has much stronger statements that Superiors generally WILL NOT do things to get dissonant. It's just too unthinkable for (most?) of them.) - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:08:39 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? At 5:49 AM -0700 9/11/02, Cameron McCurry wrote: >>>It's his OTHER oaths which are screwing him six ways from Sunday. They don't >have the "if it's my choice" clause in them. > >I still don't see how that caused so much Dissonance with him. He was obeying >orders given to him by his own Archangel. He wasn't captured by the demons, >just tortured. He had oaths not to allow Heaven's honor to be tarnished, so every time he turned aside from a snide demonic remark -- bing, dissonance. Protect fellow servants of God could be a hard one, too, depending on if some angel was being picked on. Indeed, if he knew of an angel who was undergoing hazing, he'd... have to not pick fights with the demons, and that would make him dissonant there. Indeed, in the opening vignette, that's exactly what happened. - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2770 ********************************