in_nomine-digest Friday, September 13 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2772 In this digest: Re: IN> 93 Re: IN> 93 Re: IN> 93 IN> Get your genuine... Re: IN> In Nomine books I will be getting Re: IN> 93 Re: IN> In Nomine books I will be getting Re: IN> 93 IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph Re: IN> Imogene, Natural Soldier (Under Recruitment) Re: IN> 93 Re: IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph Re: IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph Re: IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph Re: IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph Re: IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph Re: IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph Re: IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph Re: IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph Re: IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph Re: IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph IN> www.cthuugle.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:02:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> 93 Moe, you amaze me yet again. God, how I wish I'd written that! =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:14:32 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN> 93 Drat. I'm getting all the re's, but I didn't get the original 93 topic. I really want to see it... can someone give me a link please? _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:25:36 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> 93 At 06:14 PM 9/12/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Drat. I'm getting all the re's, but I didn't get the original 93 topic. I >really want to see it... can someone give me a link please? http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/stories/Homecoming.htm - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:04:31 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Get your genuine... > I found it- almost- humorous that every Demon Prince claims to have Hitler's > soul in their principality. Mammon's behind it. He's been selling cheap Hitler-Soul knock offs since before the war ended. Heck, Saminga has a set of 12 and he's trying to get the complete set of a "baker's dozen." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:59:56 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine books I will be getting At 10:55 PM -0600 9/11/02, Brian Westcott wrote: >I thought I would let you all know which In Nomine books I will be >getting in trade for these items that I will be mailing out tomorrow: [...] >Someone actually suggested to me that I should get Nobilis instead of In >Nomine. Personally, I love In Nomine better than Nobilis! In Nomine and Nobilis are two games which share some superficial similarities. If you wanted to do high-level Word-bound characters, or even Superiors, you'd probably want to go looking at Nobilis to get ideas for power levels that high. If you don't, then stick with IN. O:> (But, just for the record, I admire Nobilis a lot, and am very glad that Rebecca Borgstrom has written for the IN line as well -- including half of the forthcoming Ethereal Player's Guide.) >By the way, from an In Nomine perspective, which Demon Princes were >stupid enough to orchestrate something like the September 11, 2001 >tragedy? Let me guess: Baal and Saminga, right? Or maybe the Word >Bound Demon of Terrorism? If I had to pronounce canon, I'd probably stick with the party line that humans, alone and unprompted by celestial, come up with the worst disasters and the greatest triumphs. Celestials jump on the bandwagons later, and demons take credit where they think they can get away with it (or frantically deny involvement, depending), but human malice and human heroism are where it starts. - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:36:28 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> 93 I have nothing to say except "Oooo." Janet Anderson * * * * * * * * * For garments fine, and jewels red and blue, I would forsake this moment willingly to get me Honour, and for Courtesy. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:42:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Shih Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine books I will be getting - --- Brian Westcott wrote: > By the way, from an In Nomine perspective, which > Demon Princes were > stupid enough to orchestrate something like the > September 11, 2001 > tragedy? Let me guess: Baal and Saminga, right? Or > maybe the Word > Bound Demon of Terrorism? David. Not stupid, either. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:43:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Unni Solaas Subject: Re: IN> 93 Beautiful. Thank you, Moe. - -- language, n; an intangible artificial construct for obscuring one's meanings and intentions to others. -ppint. Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:07:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Anthony" Subject: IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph This is just a seed; I wrote this down in about ten minutes, so it's not fully developed at all. It's more of a "What if?" than anything else. - -EDG Setting Seed: Epitaph Ere sin could blight or sorrow fade, Death came with friendly care; The opening bud to heaven conveyed, And bade it blossom there. - - Samuel Taylor Coleridge, "Epitaph on an Infant" Nobody saw it coming. Oh, he'd been quiet for several days, and for him, this was an eternity. He always had something to say, some "pithy" comment or crude remark, and hearing him silent was like being at a public gallows at night. So slowly the quiet had grown around him, as countless slimes, snots, demons and souls failed to hear his voice and became afraid. For those several days he had sat, bunched and curled and coiled, in his throne, eyes staring out ahead of him. He scarcely moved - not even to scratch, or shift, or blink - until four days after he had first sat, when he looked around, said "This is wrong," and left. His Principality was reduced to ash, the demons and human souls alike charred to their component Forces. It was as though the light of a thousand suns had descended upon Hell, and left a scar where Abaddon had stood. The Bone Citadel was nothing but dust. And Saminga was gone. This is a bad time for Hell: loath as most of them are to admit it, Saminga is one of the more powerful Princes around, and losing him means losing a large chunk of their support structure for the coming apocalypse. There are, of course, Princes and lesser demons alike scrambling to fill the power vacuum, but Saminga didn't leave much of his organization intact and most of the old guard don't much want to work for the various replacements. Then, of course, there's the fact that the dust didn't really ever settle over Abaddon. In fact, the outlines of the previous buildings can still be seen, including the Bone Citadel, as though phantoms still stood where they once had form. Some perceptive demons report seeing shades of the souls who once worked the Land of the Dead still roaming the streets. For his part, Saminga is content to roam the world. He's not ready for redemption; he has too much atoning to do, and knows that if he set foot in Heaven, the Light of God would flay the Forces from his form faster than he could conceive of it happening. So he's biding his time, waiting until he feels strong enough to brave Heaven, and doing his best to not corrupt anybody in the meantime. Of course, he *is* still Death, and this means that much of the time he's wandering around looking for people who are about to die, and helping them along - or healing them, if they're not quite ready for Heaven yet. He's taken to wearing his old cloak and bearing his favorite scythe, which is not exactly a comforting image to those who encounter him, but it's better than the screaming insanity that a raw Shedite would induce, and those he heals (who, by definition, have not met their Destiny) are often scared into doing better works simply by Saminga's chosen appearance. Those he helps to their deaths he helps kindly, choosing the method of least pain and struggle. Saminga wants to be known as a compassionate Death, not the ravenous Destroyer he was before his epiphany. Now, there comes a problem when a rogue Prince wears an outfit similar to an Archangel's: sooner or later there's going to be a case of mistaken identity. This might happen before the PCs encounter Saminga, as reports of a human (or demon) who's wandering around in Dominic's Cloak begin to surface; it might happen when someone who's recently died sees Dominic and goes over to thank him; or it might happen on the PCs' watch, when nobody else is around and a mysterious cloaked figure wanders past. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:25:12 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Imogene, Natural Soldier (Under Recruitment) You know, for a moment I forgot I was reading on the computer and was taken to that place my brain lives when I read a really good book. I hope you take that for the compliment it is. In other news.... > he took the cat, which relieved a lot of people. Justinian, pre-heaven? ;) - -- Casca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:34:52 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN> 93 That was a very touching piece of work, now that I got a chance to read it... not what I expected for those who fell, but in a good way. It made a lot of sense. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:38:14 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph Wow... this was a very sweet story. I don't know why, but this just seems so right for how Saminga would go about his road to Redemption. He's not a lot smarter, he's not instantly nice, but he's trying to do what he can to understand himself and atone. This is the best Saminga Renegade idea I've seen yet ^_^ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 05:36:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph Does this seed presume that the canonical AA of Death (mentioned but never named in Night Music) doesn't exist? =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:48:49 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph At 05:36 AM 9/13/2002 -0700, you wrote: > Does this seed presume that the canonical AA of Death >(mentioned but never named in Night Music) doesn't exist? No. Why would it? - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 05:55:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph - --- EDG wrote: > No. Why would it? So Saminga is stepping on the AA of Death's lines. This could prove inconvenient -- or it could provide another avenue of dramatic complications. It could even be funny if treated properly. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:07:24 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph At 05:55 AM 9/13/2002 -0700, you wrote: > So Saminga is stepping on the AA of Death's lines. This >could prove inconvenient -- or it could provide another >avenue of dramatic complications. It could even be funny >if treated properly. I had written this presuming that the Archangel of Death simply wasn't aware of the situation yet, but your comment brings to mind a highly-amusing image of Death as the head of a MI6-style international espionage organization, with spies and informants everywhere to do his bidding and report the latest news... - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:06:42 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph Michael Walton wrote: > So Saminga is stepping on the AA of Death's lines. This > could prove inconvenient -- or it could provide another > avenue of dramatic complications. It could even be funny > if treated properly. I am reminded of Pratchett's "Reaper Man," where two personifications of Death -- or candidates for such -- fight a duel, one on one, with scythes. Would Saminga necessarily interfere any more with Azrael than he did before? The Word-friction is the same, and now there are no death-demons competing with death angels -- just this one big freelancer who's not doing such a bad job. I'd expect Azrael to NOTICE soon, but not because of more pain... Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:00:21 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph >Would Saminga necessarily interfere any more with Azrael than he >did before? The Word-friction is the same, and now there are >no death-demons competing with death angels -- just this one big >freelancer who's not doing such a bad job. Aarrrgh... This brings up a point that I've been wanting to get at for a couple of years- Saminga. Saminga and his Word. Death. Uh-uh. Page 22 of the core IN book has Marcus explaining where he learned the song of Possession- his Demon Prince. Saminga. Prince of the Dead. Yes, I know, probably a misprint, but frankly... it fits better. For instance: A. Saminga is never shown to be suffering from Word Friction (unlike Belial/Gabriel). B. Saminga is obsessed not so much with killing everything on Earth, but zombifying everything. He wants to control the dead, not have oblivion. C. Back to the Word Friction- if there was an Archangel of Death, would he have actually allowed this little upstart to take his Word? D. Saminga's invocation modifiers. Not the death of lots of people. No, the corpses. The dead. I'm sure there are more, but I just woke and and still have yet to work through the mental haze. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:20:49 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph > >Would Saminga necessarily interfere any more with Azrael than he > >did before? The Word-friction is the same, and now there are > >no death-demons competing with death angels -- just this one big > >freelancer who's not doing such a bad job. > > >Aarrrgh... > >This brings up a point that I've been wanting to get at for a couple of >years- > >Saminga. Saminga and his Word. Death. Uh-uh. Page 22 of the core IN >book >has Marcus explaining where he learned the song of Possession- his Demon >Prince. Saminga. Prince of the Dead. > >Yes, I know, probably a misprint, but frankly... it fits better. For >instance: >A. Saminga is never shown to be suffering from Word Friction (unlike >Belial/Gabriel). >B. Saminga is obsessed not so much with killing everything on Earth, but >zombifying everything. He wants to control the dead, not have oblivion. >C. Back to the Word Friction- if there was an Archangel of Death, would he >have actually allowed this little upstart to take his Word? >D. Saminga's invocation modifiers. Not the death of lots of people. No, >the corpses. The dead. > >I'm sure there are more, but I just woke and and still have yet to work >through the mental haze. > Hmm... this brings up a good point. Sammy was Prince of Vampires in INS/MV and Bifrons was Prince of the Dead... I could see Saminga being far more the Prince of the Dead in Canon... As for Azrael, he deals with the passage of souls and dying, while Saminga is concerned only witht he corpses. Plus, he's noted to be not so bright. Maybe that's why they don't suffer much Word friction? Then, maybe Azrael does, as undead interfers with his aspect of Death more, but the passage of souls doesn't bug Saminga's end of the Word as much. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:29:29 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph At 11:00 AM 9/13/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Saminga. Saminga and his Word. Death. Uh-uh. Page 22 of the core IN book >has Marcus explaining where he learned the song of Possession- his Demon >Prince. Saminga. Prince of the Dead. It's colloquial. Probably one of Saminga's assumed titles. I don't have the core rules with me, but I'd assume that Marcus doesn't refer to him as "the Demon Prince of the Dead". >A. Saminga is never shown to be suffering from Word Friction (unlike >Belial/Gabriel). How do we know? Saminga's not only insane but not very bright when it comes to things outside of killing and dying(1), and the Archangel of Death is never shown, so we don't know whether *he's* suffering. And you'll notice that although Belial is stated to have Word-friction, it's Gabriel who suffers for it. On the whole, it seems that the angels get the short end of the stick in terms of Word-friction. >B. Saminga is obsessed not so much with killing everything on Earth, but >zombifying everything. He wants to control the dead, not have oblivion. But you have to kill things to zombify them. And anyway, yes, he does in point of fact want to kill everything on Earth. It's one of his stated goals, IIRC. >C. Back to the Word Friction- if there was an Archangel of Death, would he >have actually allowed this little upstart to take his Word? Yep. Saminga's only been around for three thousand years or so (again, IIRC), and the Archangel of Death is either Outcast (if a Grigori) and has been for much, much longer than that, or he's not a major player in Heaven's politics (hence the absence of a major or minor write-up in canon) and wouldn't have the power base to stop Saminga. >D. Saminga's invocation modifiers. Not the death of lots of people. No, >the corpses. The dead. But you have to kill people to have corpses, y'see. Corpses are the physical representation of death. Besides, being distracted by trying to invoke your Superior while you're in the middle of killing bunches of people is a good way to ensure that you *don't* kill bunches of people, and might *you* get killed instead. It's an interesting thought, though. - -EDG (1) If any of you - *any* of you - starts *that* debate again, I will hunt you down and beat you with a very large stick. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:27:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Setting Seed: Epitaph - --- Josh Moger wrote: > Saminga is never shown to be suffering from Word > Friction (unlike Belial/Gabriel). Are you sure? Who's to say that Sammie's out-in-left-fieldness isn't the result of Word Friction with Azrael? We have a canon example of a Superior being driven insane by Word Friction, but why should we assume that Archangels are more vulnerable to this than Princes? =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

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