in_nomine-digest Wednesday, September 25 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2785 In this digest: Re: IN> Celestials and breathing Re: IN> Will Shackles IN>Trigun (was Re: IN> Will Shackles) Re: IN> Will Shackles Re: IN> Will Shackles Re: IN> Will Shackles Re: IN>Trigun (was Re: IN> Will Shackles) Re: IN> Will Shackles IN> Re: Who Made Who Re: IN> Will Shackles IN> New Heretic Re: IN>Trigun (was Re: IN> Will Shackles) IN> PC ideas =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_IN>Trigun_(was_Re:_IN>_Will_Shackles)?= IN> Re: PC ideas Re: IN> The sun and celestial movement. Re: IN> Will Shackles IN> The sun and celestial movement. IN> Lucifer's Liver IN> Will Shackles IN> Adventure ideas? Re: IN> New Heretic Re: IN> Celestials and breathing Re: IN>Trigun (was Re: IN> Will Shackles) Re: IN> New Heretic =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_IN>Trigun_(was_Re:_IN>_Will_Shackles)?= Re: IN>Trigun (was Re: IN> Will Shackles) Re: IN> The sun and celestial movement. Re: IN> The sun and celestial movement. Re: IN> The sun and celestial movement. Re: IN> The sun and celestial movement. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 04:18:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Unni Solaas Subject: Re: IN> Celestials and breathing On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, G N E Z D A wrote: > Maybe I'm mistaken here, but I thought vessels *did* have to breathe? I :) Vessels need air. But the discussion was about /celestial/ forms. :) - -- language, n; an intangible artificial construct for obscuring one's meanings and intentions to others. -ppint. Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:32:29 -0400 From: Michael Nutt Subject: Re: IN> Will Shackles > Thanks for the summary, Michael. I guess they weren't > what I thought they were, or maybe so. What I'm > looking for is some sort of Artifact that will keep a > being locked if you will. A celestial or ethereal in > celestial form couldn't ascend, descend, take > celestial or ethereal form, nothing. Liber Reliquarum, p. 56 -- Discord Bracelets. Basically, these artifacts can be used to impose a Discord of your choice on the wearer... and the "Bound" Discord is specifically mentioned. > Basically, I want something to power a great big > engine for me. I was inspired by Trigun and IMC things > are going to lead in the direction of humans > discovering celestials, capturing them, and forcing > Essence out of them to power their ships and whatnot. > I was thinking that Will Shackles would be the early > forms or part of this device. > > Am I on the right track with Will Shackles or do I > need to make up something new myself? It'd be a start, but you run into some problems with the idea. Yes, you've got a celestial who can't ascend... but he can still expend Essence, and he's got all those other lovely powers. He might make you regret keeping him around against his will. Then again, his Superior might make you regret it even more. Michael Cleveland posted a lovely series back in November 2001 called "Project Silence" that ran along similar lines. The ultimate problem you will run up against is that Superiors can monitor their Servitors through their Hearts, and if they find that mortals have worked out a way to hold the Servitor, they will bring unimaginable power to bear to remedy the situation. I don't normally approve of excessive levels of Superior intervention in a game, but in a situation like this, it seems like the obvious result. - -- Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:36:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Burzelic Subject: IN>Trigun (was Re: IN> Will Shackles) - --- Josh Moger wrote: > >Basically, I want something to power a great big > >engine for me. I was inspired by Trigun and IMC > things > >are going to lead in the direction of humans > >discovering celestials, capturing them, and forcing > >Essence out of them to power their ships and > whatnot. > >I was thinking that Will Shackles would be the > early > >forms or part of this device. > > > > ::Josh's eyes suddenly widen and the pupils dilate > until there's nothing > left:: > I'll take that as a compliment!:) > > >Am I on the right track with Will Shackles or do I > >need to make up something new myself? > > > > I think you're on the right track... > > > And... > > Well... > > > Is it just me or could Vash/Knives be seen as > Elohite/Habbalite? > Actually, I think Vash is too biased to be an Elohite. I imagine him as either Mercurian or Cherub. He guards people and sacrifices himself to an insane and Cherubic level. He also renounces violence like a Mercurian. Knives I see as a Calabite. Actually, I could see Knives aspretty much any band. (Ooh, he'd make a nasty Shedim and it'd explain the occurences on the ship) > (Love and Peace isn't subjective...) > > > Josh > (Rusty gears are a-turnin) > Jim (Glad I could inspire that) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:40:53 -0400 (EDT) From: jamoge@wm.edu Subject: Re: IN> Will Shackles > > Then again, his Superior might make you regret > it even more. > > Michael Cleveland posted a lovely series back in > November 2001 called > "Project Silence" that ran along similar lines. > The ultimate problem > you will run up against is that Superiors can > monitor their Servitors > through their Hearts, and if they find that > mortals have worked out a > way to hold the Servitor, they will bring > unimaginable power to bear to > remedy the situation. I don't normally approve > of excessive levels of > Superior intervention in a game, but in a > situation like this, it seems > like the obvious result. > > > -- Michael - -- simple, elegant, and slightly evil solution- Track down demons of the Game, or angels of Judgement. Monitor. And then grab their targets. With no Hearts, Outcasts and Renegades would be perfect. Still need to keep their essence from going to Songs allowing them to escape, but you do get a freshly severed celestial with no link to a angry Superior. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:45:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Burzelic Subject: Re: IN> Will Shackles > It'd be a start, but you run into some problems with > the idea. Yes, > you've got a celestial who can't ascend... but he > can still expend > Essence, and he's got all those other lovely powers. > He might make you > regret keeping him around against his will. > Yeah, that's a problem they'd have to work through. I didn't think one relic alone would do the trick, it'll be a whole combination to catch one. > Then again, his Superior might make you regret it > even more. > > Michael Cleveland posted a lovely series back in > November 2001 called > "Project Silence" that ran along similar lines. The > ultimate problem > you will run up against is that Superiors can > monitor their Servitors > through their Hearts, and if they find that mortals > have worked out a > way to hold the Servitor, they will bring > unimaginable power to bear to > remedy the situation. I don't normally approve of > excessive levels of > Superior intervention in a game, but in a situation > like this, it seems > like the obvious result. > Yes, that was a big influence for this direction and Project Silence is going to play an integral role in the campaign. Also, once celestials can be captured and Superiors stop this, well, being human they'll try to cage a Superior. But way before this happens the war will have to become even more covert as by then the humans will have installed quite a few celestial detecting devices around, ala an old adventure seed I saved form the list in which a camera was given to some people that could detect them. It just blows out of proportion from there. > > -- Michael > > Jim __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:47:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Burzelic Subject: Re: IN> Will Shackles > -- simple, elegant, and slightly evil solution- > > Track down demons of the Game, or angels of > Judgement. > > Monitor. > > And then grab their targets. > > > With no Hearts, Outcasts and Renegades would be > perfect. Still need to keep their essence from > going > to Songs allowing them to escape, but you do get a > freshly severed celestial with no link to a angry > Superior. > > Josh That, is, just . . . perfect! Well, of course there'll be holes, that's what makes adventures, but otherwise it's easy enough to start spreading out from there. Jim __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:48:50 -0400 (EDT) From: jamoge@wm.edu Subject: Re: IN>Trigun (was Re: IN> Will Shackles) > > Is it just me or could Vash/Knives be seen > as > > Elohite/Habbalite? > > > > Actually, I think Vash is too biased to be an > Elohite. > I imagine him as either Mercurian or Cherub. He > guards > people and sacrifices himself to an insane and > Cherubic level. He also renounces violence like > a > Mercurian. Knives I see as a Calabite. Actually, > I > could see Knives aspretty much any band. (Ooh, > he'd > make a nasty Shedim and it'd explain the > occurences on > the ship) > Okay, hope to keep SPOILERS from leaking out to the anime fans of the audience- Okay, my reasoning for the Elohite is because A: they're supposed to be twins and B: the 'beings out of time' look very Elohitish. Also, I seriously see Knives as a Habbalite- Believes himself to be doing good things. Believes that people have to be punished. Has no compunction against killing massive numbers of people. Personally, I saw him as a great way of portraying a Habbalite of Death and/or a possessor of the Word of Destruction. Shedite?... hmm... I don't know. Doesn't jibe with Knives being around while the people are possessed. Could be a variant of Celestial Tongues. And as for Vash again- Aye, I know. Cherub or Mercurian... And I'll grant you, it could work rather well, actually. Mercurian anyway. Especially with how he felt post-Legato. Still, we all know that neko is Dominic trailing the that Mercurian and Cherub of Judgment IST to Trade. And Wolfwood? I'm actually thinking Renegade Impudite of the Game, but still... doesn't quite work with how he's willing to kill. Impudites still don't want to kill. He's too sane to be a Balseraph or Habbalite. Hmm... sulking enough to be a Djinn? Josh Jim > (Glad I could inspire that) You may regret that... Josh ^_^' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:23:31 -0400 From: Michael Nutt Subject: Re: IN> Will Shackles > -- simple, elegant, and slightly evil solution- > > Track down demons of the Game, or angels of Judgement. > > Monitor. > > And then grab their targets. > > > With no Hearts, Outcasts and Renegades would be > perfect. Still need to keep their essence from going > to Songs allowing them to escape, but you do get a > freshly severed celestial with no link to a angry > Superior. Do you get enough of them to be useful, though? I'm not familiar with the original work Jim cited (something called "Trigun", I believe), but I was under the impression that he was hoping to have this be something other than just a one-off, top secret project. Anyway, what happens when the Gamesters/Judges report back that their target was captured by someone else? Can you count on fooling every trick that they were using to track their target? Maybe you've got Will Shackles to keep the Outcast/Renegade from disobeying, Discord Bracelets to keep it from escaping, enough Decoy Djinn Fuzz to break an attunement to it (and where did you get all these artifacts, anyway, and how did you figure out what they do?)... but what are you going to do about a Song of Affinity? Are you sure they don't have a lock of the target's hair to track him by, or some other part of his vessel? What do you do about Kyriotates and Shedim possessing people to find out about people who know about your project and what's really going on? What do you do about someone with the Song of Symphony who asks "What happened to the Outcast/Renegade?" What do you do about anything you've ever written down being in Yves' Library? What if a Lilim has a Geas-hook on him? What if one of Laurence's Servitors has used the Hunt attunement on him? How do you keep your humans from giving up secrets in their dreams to Servitors of Blandine and Beleth? What if it's actually a Calabite... or, through being confined, *becomes* a Calabite? You *might* be able to get away with it *once*, for a while, if you can come up with a plausible-enough explanation to the pursuers about what happened to their target, but it wouldn't be anything I'd care to count on. Much more likely that one of the pursuers will figure out that you're trying to capture the target as well, and report that in... and then your organization is in real trouble. - -- Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:34:05 -0700 From: Vaughn Romero Subject: IN> Re: Who Made Who On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 "Rampaging Crypto-Man" wrote: > Who created whom? Who made the first several Angels? Wow, it's like deja vu all over again. If you're looking for some other takes on who made who, I have a rather long list I can send you (or anyone else). Just send me an e-mail message or look through the archives on Monday, February 4 2002, Volume 01 : Number 2537, when I originally posted my list. Vaughn - -Most recent unwitting Servitor of Haagenti ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:53:53 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Will Shackles ::Josh paraphrasing:: What if everything that could possibly go wrong does? - -- Michael Psst, Michael... turn off the canon cannon!!! And nor am I the author, I'm merely the future Wordbound of ^_^' doing my damndest, or blessed work- can't remember which, to spread the 'sweatdrop'. And Trigun is an anime about... well... Insurance agents. Yep. About Insurance Agents... In a world that seems to be covered in desert. In some time in the future. Following a gentleman named Vash. Vash, the Stampede. AKA: The Human Typhoon. AKA: The first human act of God. Who has a bounty on his head for $$60,000,000,000 Who loves donuts. And he's a crack shot, to boot. Josh P.S.: Does anyone want to do a write up for the 'canon cannon' and present it to Archangel Beth when she returns to the list? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:08:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> New Heretic http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/heretics/NovalisE.htm Enjoy, or not. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/18/02 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:10:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Burzelic Subject: Re: IN>Trigun (was Re: IN> Will Shackles) My take on the below IMC is going to be different that I state but I like exercises like these. > Okay, hope to keep SPOILERS from leaking out to the > anime fans of the audience- > > > > > > > > > > Okay, my reasoning for the Elohite is because A: > they're supposed to be twins and B: the 'beings out > of > time' look very Elohitish. Alright, I can see that reasoning, I didn't think they showed very many of the 'beings out of time' and figured they were either just a small sampling or they just didn't have as much flavor for them as IN does. I still think Elohite doesn't work so well for our hero. What else could they be? Seraph/Balseraph - I think Knives could be the delusional type, but Vash does lie to get stuff done. Unless he's using some sort of creative truth or taking dissonance the Holiest are out. Cherub/Djinn - I really see Vash fulfilling the guardian position nicely. Knives can be argued to be a Djinn with how long he has taken to work at his goal. But overall he doesn't seem Djinny to me. Ofanim/Calabim - I guess Vash could be a wheel. He sure does move a lot. And with his destructive nature Knives could be a Calabite. Malakim/Lilim - well, first they aren't polar opposites, I listed them just to get them out of the way because the characters don't fit these either. Vash suffers his brother to survive, beyond this it could be argued he is a Malakite, but he fits easier into other categories. Knives could only be a Lilim in that he had the Gungho Guns fulfilling geases. Kyriotate/Shedim - Vash is an individual and doesn't possess anyone throughout the series. You are right, Knives would be a Kyrio before a Shedim but he's bad so cannot be such. Elohim/Habbalah - I suppose Vash COULD be fit into an Elohite skin but seems to act rather biased towards his way of thinking (unless we consider his way of thinking the correct way and everyone else is wrong, which is possible). Knives would make a very, very good Habbalite, punisher-extaordinaire. Mercurian/Impudite - Vash is a consummate Mercurian, constantly trying to end violence and resolve things peacefully. He builds and maintains contacts the world-over and is a ready friend. Knives doesn't act so much an Impudite. He would rather see humanity gone than just steal their essence away. I suppose you could squeeze him into an Impudite as well as Vash an Elohite. Grigori/Skulker - frankly I don't know enough about either of them to really apply them. Vash does seem to want to interact with people on the level the Grigori did. Knives did skulk I suppose. He didn't have a open presence in society. So for the twin thing, they seem best as Ofanim/Calabim, but for flavor that isn't as nice. I don't know I took the twin thing to be Corporeal, Celestialliy they could be any combo. > Still, we all know that neko is Dominic trailing the > > that Mercurian and Cherub of Judgment IST to Trade. > I didn't even think of that. IMC most of heaven and hell are going to be in chaos. I wasn't sure what to do with the superiors. I like the cat being Dominic though, or at least something. Maybe Kobal, goofy things do happen when he shows up. Mercurian and Cherub are good for Merill and Milly. Although, I could see Merill as a Seraph. > > And Wolfwood? I'm actually thinking Renegade > Impudite > of the Game, but still... doesn't quite work with > how > he's willing to kill. Impudites still don't want to > > kill. He's too sane to be a Balseraph or Habbalite. > > Hmm... sulking enough to be a Djinn? > Maybe a balseraph. He was taught to be and see things a certain way and did such for quite a while until he happened upon our friends. Then started to redeem. Fitting end for a redeemer, and his mentor, too. > > Josh > > Jim > > (Glad I could inspire that) > > You may regret that... > > Josh > ^_^' Naaaaahh... Jim __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:36:22 +0930 From: "G N E Z D A" Subject: IN> PC ideas Okay, I had an idea for a PC in IN, but I'd like to get your input on it. The character would probably be an ofanim in a large (about 7 foot) feline looking vessel. The character probably started out as a servitor of Creation but, with the crackdown and the arrival of Christopher, has probably gone into Christopher's service. The basic idea is an almost superhero-type character who, in his spare time, makes toys and lollies for kids. He'd have a very clown-like personality, always jolly and kind, and never actually kill anyone. Anyway, what I want your ideas on is with regards to what his main focus should be. When I make characters I usually try to give them all the abilities (songs, skills and attunements) I think they're ever going to want (but at low levels) and, as a result, they're usually fairly weak overall, but have amazing range in abilities, and require considerable discord to keep them within the points limit. I was thinking something along the lines of a character who makes toys and can then use them to get around situations (such as 'grenade' teddy bears that explode with the effect of Novalis' 'crown of flowers' attunement, etc), so he'd have to have the enchantment skill, and perhaps some powers like Corporeal Laughter, Christopher's Luck attunement, etc. I suppose, ideally, I'd give him from 6-12 songs (at most) and perhaps a song or two that he'd use 'sotte voce' (so they'd have to be songs that can have a small effect performed SV), perhaps something like Corporeal Laughter, or some kind of 'toy weapon' (or, being a cat vessel, maybe even a ball of yarn) which would be his main 'super powers'. So, what's your opinions? In the end, I'm trying to give this character a more 'comic book' feel than an 'angelic' feel, too. - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2/08/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:48:19 +0200 From: "santaro@inwind.it" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_IN>Trigun_(was_Re:_IN>_Will_Shackles)?= Vash is a Mercurian. Infact he cannot kill human beings and he likes them a lot like Mercurians do. Rev. Nicholas is a Elohite, I think (maybe a bit dissonant!) Legato is a Habbalite (or a Shedim?), for his powers. and Knives is a... well I don't know, maybe a Calabim... Mark the Habbalah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:13:53 +0930 From: "G N E Z D A" Subject: IN> Re: PC ideas Hmm... I might say instead of an exploding teddy bear he has a celestially-augmented water flower-gun (like clowns use), treated as a SV performance of the Celestial song of Light (1 damage, dazzled for CD rounds, fair range), although he must still pay normal points for it and activate it normally and, even though it's one point per level (like a song, and unlike a reliquary) it *is* part of his clothing, so he'll lose its benefit if he is ever without his clothing. I can imagine this huge seven foot jaguar creature, looking like he's made to kill, in clown attire and squirting a watergun. :) - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2/08/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:23:39 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> The sun and celestial movement. At 07:14 PM 9/24/2002 -0600, Rampaging Crypto-Man wrote: >Also, since they are operating outside the bounds of physics, they wouldn't >accelerate the way you or I do. The movement rate of (6 * perception) yards >applies whether they are levitating, moving through walls, passing through >people, or blasting into space. They are reactionless and can stop on a >dime. YMMV, of course. I'm not sure canon supports that, and I almost certainly wouldn't use it. >Ofanim in celestial form would definately be mistaken for UFOs if someone >made their perception roll. Nah. Ofanim are swamp gas. Or weather balloons, if they're Ofanim of Lightning or the Wind. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:13:52 -0400 From: Michael Nutt Subject: Re: IN> Will Shackles > ::Josh paraphrasing:: What if everything that could possibly go wrong does? > > -- Michael > > > Psst, Michael... turn off the canon cannon!!! Nobody's whapping you with a Canon Stick, by any means. I'm just pointing out logical flaws that will have to be addressed to make the situation workable in game. If Jim wants to use this setting, he'll need to figure out ways to deal with the issues -- if his players are anything like the ones I've been around, they'll grab onto any holes in the logic and run with them. Why does it have to be a celestial? What good is 1 Essence per day going to do the people working out this scheme? If the nefarious kidnappers behind this scheme need Essence that badly, wouldn't it be easier to capture Soldiers and milk them dry? Maybe they've got a renegade Impudite or two around to help them manipulate all this Essence, and provide direction. It's fine to say, "Hey, I've got this cool idea for a setting, I'll steal Element X and Plot Device Y to make it happen", but you need to figure out how it fits in to the rest of the universe, and how you keep it at least vaguely believable. If your plot hinges on experienced intelligent beings consistently doing something dumb, and overlooking resources that they'd otherwise frequently use, you've got a problem. - -- Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:19:03 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> The sun and celestial movement. > An angel with a typical perception of 7 can fly one light year in 39 million > years. [snip] > How about that to make you feel like an angel? Has to be an angel of Janus. "It's a Solar Wind, baby! 450 feet per second!" =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Is celestial speed the same > throughout the Symphony, regardless of the corporeal matter that makes > up the Symphony at that point, or does it vary with the substance > "through" which the celestial is travelling? Suborbital Angels? Well if it's over 50 miles to the nearest tether... It does ad new meaning to the phrase, "angels descend." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:19:01 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Lucifer's Liver > So God came to Cain and Abel and removed > their livers. Don't worry - He gave them new ones Sooo.... He missed Seth? Why is it that when God takes a direct hand he always seems to forget _something_. First it was that stupid tree in the middle of everything... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:19:03 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Will Shackles > What are they, where can I find them? Can I get a > summary of what they do? Will Shackles are like light bulbs: Made but not found. If your boss wants you to have them you will have a unit assigned. (Please note that the unit includes a Cherub/Djinn attuned to the device(s). You are NOT going to loose them!) Will Shackles work kind of like taser cuffs. The Celestial bound by these things will suffer an unpleasant feedback if they, or anyone else, tries to remove the Shackles by force. Make a Will roll to try again, or let anyone else try. There's also some sort of restraining effect but I'm too lazy to look it up, but L Reliquarum. > I was inspired by Trigun and IMC things > are going to lead in the direction of humans > discovering celestials, capturing them, and forcing > Essence out of them to power their ships and whatnot. Oooh... Don't forget about Force Catchers! (L.Reliq. p61. The Whole Page!) In brief, if a Celestial tries to posses someone carrying on of these the would be possessor stands a good chance of being trapped in the thing. Y'know, its funny. I got out the book to look up the page reference but won't tell the game mechanics. (tease tease tease) Perhaps I should sign on with the DP of Cruelty. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Hey! You're mean!" -Squeakers, Reliever of Flowers "Yeah, but I'm _cute_ so I get away with it." -MacNorma (Free Lilim) http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/IN/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:19:02 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Adventure ideas? > Don't forget that there are no Malakim before the Rebellion. And the Lilim! Just imagine the Geases they can inflict before their Band Resonance is known! Angel upon seeing a Lilim in Celestial Form: "You're... green? With horns and bat wings... Hey! What are those shiny bracelets?" Lilim (smiling): "Well, I'll tell you. But you'll owe me a favor." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:32:42 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> New Heretic On Wednesday, September 25, 2002, at 12:08 AM, Maurice Lane wrote: > http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/heretics/NovalisE.htm > > Enjoy, or not. :) > And... > Clean an area (fifty-foot radius) of all garbage.  Demons count if > you've tried everything else first and you make sure that they're > properly bagged. > Moe.... Don't ever change. For me, if no one else. - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com (Superiors 4: Because *they* know knowledge is power, damn it.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 05:38:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Celestials and breathing - --- G N E Z D A wrote: > Maybe I'm mistaken here, but I thought vessels *did* have > to breathe? You're not mistaken. Vessels do have to breathe -- they use air as nourishment instead of food. Celestial forms are another thing entirely. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:42:52 -0700 From: Harukami Subject: Re: IN>Trigun (was Re: IN> Will Shackles) >Still, we all know that neko is Dominic trailing the >that Mercurian and Cherub of Judgment IST to Trade. Kuroneko-sama is angry. Nyao. Kuroneko-sama is sad. Nyao. Kuroneko-sama is happy. Nyao. ...Kuroneko-sama is Dominic? ........Nyao? >And Wolfwood? I'm actually thinking Renegade Impudite >of the Game, but still... doesn't quite work with how >he's willing to kill. Impudites still don't want to >kill. He's too sane to be a Balseraph or Habbalite. > >Hmm... sulking enough to be a Djinn? Balseraph, perhaps? Most of his anime appearance is based off of lies, after all. ...and I'll say no more for the sake of those who haven't seen the series, but yes. ...Balseraph of the War? He's got that bizarre sense of honour down pat... Haru ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:02:46 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> New Heretic At 09:08 PM 9/24/2002 -0700, Maurice Lane wrote: >http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/heretics/NovalisE.htm > >Gabriel: "The forest only looks serene from the outside: do not wake the Fire >that slumbers within it!" ("The effects of a thorn in one's side are well >known. >So is the preferred method of rectifying the problem.") You literally can't go a single writeup without getting in a slam at Belial, can you? ;) Nicely done. I was wondering how you were going to justify this. :) - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:59:09 +0200 From: "santaro@inwind.it" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_IN>Trigun_(was_Re:_IN>_Will_Shackles)?= Wolfwood Balseraph of War? Yes!!! And Legato a Habbalah or Shedim of Factions (or Death?) And Knives a Calabim of Belial! (of Death?) but then speaking of Gung-Ho-Guns the Puppet-Master will be a Shedim (but I think that a Balseraph of Fate with the Kryotate resonance is ok) Zazie the Beast will be a Habbalah of Jordi... err... hey which is Jordi's evil counterpart??? Naaa, maybe the Gung-Ho-Guns are just Soldiers of Hell. no? Mark the Habbalah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:22:42 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN>Trigun (was Re: IN> Will Shackles) >My take on the below IMC is going to be different that >I state but I like exercises like these. > > > >> Okay, hope to keep SPOILERS from leaking out to the >> anime fans of the audience- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Alright, nice reasoning on the below. The Ofanite/Calabite thing could actually work. Still love seeing Knives as the perfect insane Habbalite. Calabim, I know it's a stereotype, just strike me as a too... hands on. Too impatient. Knives. Isn't. Impatient. But yeah, Vash... hmm... Ofanite IST to Destiny with Yves' Master rank and the resonance/dissonance of a Mercurian? Wow. Taking this waaaay too far... Oh, forgot Legato. Doesn't work for me as a celestial. Especially with what they did with Vash's arm. He'd make a GREAT mummy IST to Knives. Undead with grafted on celestial forces. Gets the same variant on Celestial Tongues, etc. > >I didn't even think of that. IMC most of heaven and >hell are going to be in chaos. I wasn't sure what to >do with the superiors. I like the cat being Dominic >though, or at least something. Maybe Kobal, goofy >things do happen when he shows up. Mercurian and >Cherub are good for Merill and Milly. Although, I >could see Merill as a Seraph. True. She is that honest and it could work (huh, Malakite as well?) but does it seem like she'd be as taken in with Wolfwood? Josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:58:16 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> The sun and celestial movement. Interesting thought: An Ofanite of Faith could conceivably have a Perception of 13 (unless, of course, his attunements are restricted, which I don't remember). With a maxed-out check digit, he could be moving 7 miles per minute (without spending Essence); it would only take him 2.48 million years to go a light year, at average speed. One of these Ofanim could have left when the dinosaurs died, gone to Vega, spent several millennia observing the system, and returned -- just before the Fall. (Vega is an interesting star because it has a dust disc which could hold planetary bodies. (Fomalhaut is more promising, but is also closer, and therefore lacks the dramatic oomph of returning just in time to watch a third of the Host Fall, unless the Ofanite is inclined to stay in this new system for several million years.) The Ofanite might - just might - be able to find and begin to stabilize a Tether to Stone there... and then he'd be able to get home in time for brunch.) I wouldn't want to travel with the Ofanite, though; can you imagine listening to "Are we there yet?" for twenty-six million years? - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:05:10 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> The sun and celestial movement. What are the limits on teleportation via the Celestial Song of Motion? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:46:35 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> The sun and celestial movement. Erf. I've made a calculation error; in order to reach Earth in time for the Fall, our Ofanite would have to turn around halfway to Vega. (He could easily reach Tau Ceti, however, and have several million years with which to observe it.) At 11:05 AM 9/25/2002 -0500, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >What are the limits on teleportation via the Celestial Song of >Motion? As I recall, it's anywhere on Earth. It may be anywhere the singer has *been* before, without the "Earth" restriction. In either case the Ofanite would be able to reach Vega (about 26 light years distant), and in the latter case he'd be able to go back anytime he wanted... or send someone *else* there. And he'd be getting back just in time for the Fall, after 65 million years of being away from *everybody else*... Hm... - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:38:56 -0600 From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" Subject: Re: IN> The sun and celestial movement. > YMMV, of course. I'm not sure canon supports that, and I almost certainly > wouldn't use it. I haven't seen anything in canon that specifically supports it. I just infered from the parts that say the physical world doesn't effect a celestial being... if that's true, than things like atmosphere and so on shouldn't effect it either. And if THAT'S true, than an angel in celestial form on Earth can accelerate every second until he's doing the speed of light around the planet over and over and over. The rules, on the other hand, give angels in celestial form a constant, non-accelerating movement rate. The speed they move is therefore a cosmic constant, unaffected by the corporeal realm in any way. This even makes sense from a physics point of view, since celestial beings have no corporeal components whatsoever and therefore have no mass, no inertia, and can -- implicitely -- stop on a time. As you said, your mileage quite literally may vary. :-) > -EDG Ben ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2785 ********************************