in_nomine-digest Thursday, September 26 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2787 In this digest: RE: IN> The sun and celestial movement. Re: IN> Pyramid Re: IN> Pyramid IN> Novalis's "Perelandra" Tether IN>Trigun IN> PC ideas RE: IN> PC ideas Re: IN>Trigun IN> New to list and a question IN> The sun and celestial movement. Re: IN> New to list and a question IN> Adventure Ideas II. Re: IN> Novalis's "Perelandra" Tether Re: IN> New to list and a question Re: IN> New to list and a question Re: IN> The sun and celestial movement. IN> [ADMIN] Virus Check! Re: IN>Garr, spooty hotmail Re: IN> The List and the Digest Re: IN> Words Re: IN>Garr, spooty hotmail Re: IN> Hotmail vs the List IN> Looking for the author... Re: IN> Hotmail vs the List IN> Pyramid Canon? Not really (Re: Words) Re: IN> New Ethereal Spirit Re: IN> Lucifer's Liver (or evidence that Kobal has a presence in the Marches) Re: IN> Will Shackles Re: IN> Hotmail vs the List Re: IN>Garr, spooty hotmail Re: IN> Hotmail vs the List IN> New superiors. Re: IN> New superiors. RE: IN> Hotmail vs the List IN> IPG thought Re: IN> IPG thought ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 05:46:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN> The sun and celestial movement. - --- EDG wrote: > Thought: Every minute that the Ofanite successfully > resonates for fast > movement, he can add his speed (in miles per minute) from > the last minute > to his new check digit. (In other words, as long as the > Ofanite keeps accelerating) Hmmm... that adds a level of bookkeeping that I, for one, would rather not do. > (A further interesting thought, although one I'm not sure > works: an Ofanite > may use his resonance when piloting a vehicle to reduce > its stresses on its occupants I definitely wouldn't use this. Half the fun of letting the Ofanite drive is having everyone else bouncing around in the back seat. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:14:00 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Pyramid G N E Z D A wrote: > > Just wondering, who here is subscribed to Pyramid magazine? I am, for one. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:29:59 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Pyramid I am. Janet Anderson * * * * * * * * * For garments fine, and jewels red and blue, I would forsake this moment willingly to get me Honour, and for Courtesy. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:54:06 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> Novalis's "Perelandra" Tether A day or so ago, I mentioned how Archangels like Gabriel or Jean could have Tethers all over the cosmos. You wouldn't think Novalis would get many, though. Very Earthy lady. However, this URL leads to a news article about how there may be microbes living in water droplets in Venus's upper atmosphere: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2282168.stm If that's true, it could give Novalis a literal "garden in the sky" in a place where any corporeal life at all is a real achievement. ("Perelandra" is the native name for Venus in the angel-intensive SF novel of the same name by C. S. Lewis.) Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:45:01 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN>Trigun > Track down demons of the Game, or angels of Judgement. > > Monitor. > > And then grab their targets. You'd still need someone to reveal why the prototype project fails in the first place. An intervention or the visit of a Superior may leave no trace, and would likely result in the obliteration of the entire capture project. For instance if Dominic showed up, and the punishment would fit the crime, the captured Celestial would probably get a spanking, the technical data would be erased and the equipment would be destroyed. Casualties among the mortals would probably be low as humans are allowed to be curious. Jean would definitely be called in to monitor future developments. Baal might just have soldiers blow the place to smithereens. Or have the soldiers sabotage the project in a way to make humans think they could use it as a weapon against each other. Vapula would probably be the only Superior to encourage the project, snatching snotlings off the streets of Hell so that they might be experimented upon. Disgruntled soldiers might be able to explain what was going on, but who'd believe them? And who'd want to? The enslavement of sentient is illegal and repugnant everywhere on Earth (except the Sudan). The soldiers also run the risk of becoming the _subjects_ of experiments. If they demonstrate any other worldly powers as proof of their knowledge they _would_ be tapped for their energy. After all, they've admitted that they are no longer associated with their former bosses. In the world of Black Ops [No back up = no safety]. All in all a difficult task for the would be Ghost Busters, but the rewards... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= As for how to hide the victims, perhaps the project mulches the Celestial, breaks them down into their component Forces allowing energy to be drawn from each 1 Force unit. This seems to be a horror genre. For Celestials and their friends anyway. How would one would explain some Forces generating Essence at dawn while others produce at dusk? And what about Ethereals? If the project was manipulated to effect them but not Celestials? Or with an Ethereal patron perhaps the project only effects Celestials. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:45:03 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> PC ideas > The character ... large (about 7 foot) ... clown-like personality, > always jolly and kind, and never actually kill anyone. Sounds like Bull from the TV series "Night Court." A combination of the "Strong-Jawed Hero" and the "Innocent" chatacter types. Perhaps you should consider giving him a sassy sidekick. A reliever or a mortal orphan. > superhero-type ... and never actually kill anyone. ("Bullman and Pony, the Orphan Wonder." OK, now I'm getting silly.) > I was thinking something along the lines of a character who makes toys and > can then use them to get around situations Creationer with Malakite Attunement? ("A simple... kitchen... utensile..." - -Ron Post, holding a spaula, standing atop a pile of corpses.) > (such as 'grenade' teddy bears > that explode with the effect of Novalis' 'crown of flowers' attunement, > etc) Sounds like the Invention Attunement of DP Vapula. I vaguely recal an angelic version, but it may have been a list-post and non-canon. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:38:36 +0300 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> PC ideas - -----Original Message----- From: BC Petery [mailto:bpetery@yahoo.com] Creationer with Malakite Attunement? ("A simple... kitchen... utensile..." - -Ron Post, holding a spaula, standing atop a pile of corpses.) DS1 Ron Post a Creationer? I'm actually trying to configure everyone's most annoying pair of brothers as Nobilis things, but it's hard since I left my books back in the States. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:24:33 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Trigun Hey, I just had another idea for the "Race" of Vash and Knives... They could be Child of the Grigori and Nephallim, respetively. When- *SPOILERS!! An stuff* they manifest their Angel Arms, they could be going partly celestial, and it drives them a little bonkers as they blow everything up in the process. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:25:57 -0500 From: Joe Reimers Subject: IN> New to list and a question Hi everybody! I'm new to the list and have recently begun running IN at the request of my group. For whatever reason, there are a couple people who prefer that the GM roll up a character for systems they're not familiar with (which can create some interesting situations, but...) Anyway, the first character I created for one of the players went over really well (an Ofanite of Lightning) which I custom-tailored to the player's personality. Now I've got a bit of a dilemma: I'm going to be running through the Revelations Cycle in its entirity (speak: I'm going to run Night Music for 15 minutes and I've purchased the entire set, but it will all go to, well, you know, when my group decides to follow a completely random tangent, but hey! My secret plan is to make one of the subplots the main plot, with an "oh, by the way, there's this music thing going on while you're there...") Anyway, I've got a player who's fairly new to roleplaying but has worked in the IN universe a little before (but hated his character) who wants to play a demon, specifically, a Lilim of the Media. Fair enough, and easy to work into the story. The rest of the group consists of the aforementioned Ofanite of Jean, a Seraph of Judgement and (most troublesome) a Malakite of Judgement. My question is, how do I keep the Lilim alive longer than 45 seconds? Or are there any other suggestions for playing a "bad boy/girl rocker"? My only longshot thought would be to show signs of the possibility of Redemption, but man.... I should also mention my Malakite player plays his character to a T. Any thoughts? Joe R., GM of Destiny. Or Fate. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:31:41 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> The sun and celestial movement. >> There is one thing bugging me in this discussion about celestial movement >> across space: Celestials can't spend more than CD minutes in celestial >> form while on the Corporeal plane. [whisk] > 2. The reason for the limit is the Earth itself. By leaving the Earth's > sphere of influence, the celestial divorces himself from the imposed > limits; once he reaches another celestial body, he may have that limit again. They breathe so on Mars they'd need Martian Vessels... Bug Eyed Celestials from Outer Space... Earthman, I want your soul... Lilim are green which is traditionally Martian. But they are female which is traditionally Venusian... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > And then we bring in constellations to complicate matters > further. [crunch] > David might have one in Orion, Orion was a mighty hunter. Laurence. or Ethereal Tethers? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "I'm always right, no matter what the facts are." -Pete, Demon of Misinformation http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/IN/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:41:17 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> New to list and a question At 10:25 AM 9/26/2002 -0500, Joe Reimers wrote: >My question is, how do I keep the Lilim alive longer than 45 seconds? Or >are there any other suggestions for playing a "bad boy/girl rocker"? My >only longshot thought would be to show signs of the possibility of >Redemption, but man.... Bright Lilim of Creation or the Wind will work. If you're willing to go the IN Anime route, a Mercurian may also work. You might also consider making the Lilim a Renegade. This provides umpteen different adventure hooks and gives the Malakite and Seraph a reason to keep her around - now that she's no longer allied with Hell, she's prime redemption material. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:02:04 -0600 From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" Subject: IN> Adventure Ideas II. Ok, the first session went by without a hitch. Here's my report and a request for more tips. :-) The characters are an ancient Cherub of Light who helped light several stars, an Elohite of Creation who assisted in raising mountains in proto-Africa, and a very young Mercurian of Knowledge. (I did a 'What did you do before this game?' Q&A session to flesh their histories out.) Their team is rounded out by adding the word-bound Angel of Laughter, Kobal -- and Saminga, a Kyriotate of Creation who was created right before their first mession to help them. The characters are all working on special tasks assigned to them by Lucifer. The game was started at 67 million BC, which changes Canon slightly... in my game, it was Saminga's third visit to Earth where he saw the dinosaurs get wiped out. On the first mission, they were told that a group of rodents was somehow important to Yves' plans and should be moved away from a mountain range that had several about-to-erupt volcanos in it. It was interesting seeing these angels -- who all have non-human vessels without hands -- find ways to move the rodents across a couple days worth of rough terrain. Their next mission was to protect the rodents for a few hundred years from a future threat. Once again, they were stuck with these vessels but found ways to minimize the threat (a few hungry rampaging dinosaurs) and then kill it when it finally arrived. After that they were given human vessels and helped Lucifer give fire to mankind... and discovered proto-gods in the Marches, and spoke before the Seraphim Council when the possibility of man's extermination was brought up by Jordi. It was a good night of gaming. Next on my agenda I have: * Something to do right before Celestials are banned from Earth to make them WANT to go back. * The Eden Experiment, and something the characters can do to participate in it. * Stuff to do in the few hundred years after the Eden Experiment without going to Earth. * Ways Lucifer can try to convince the characters to rebel against God. * The War in Heaven. That will probably be as far as I get in the next session. I think the characters like being angels and will not rebel, although a few of them have turned up their noses at the violent humans. Any adventure tips for those five areas? Finally, words were more freely assigned in those days and these million-year old Angels are contemplating them. The words they asked for are too powerful, so I need help finding useful adventure-oriented variants of them: Mercurian of Knowledge -- Teachers. (He's also always recording things. I was thinking Scribes.) Elohite of Creation -- Raising Mountains, I think Cherub of Light -- Not Sure. Thanks! Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:24:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Novalis's "Perelandra" Tether - --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > A day or so ago, I mentioned how Archangels like Gabriel > or Jean > could have Tethers all over the cosmos. And I was right behind you, as I recall. :> > ("Perelandra" is the native name for Venus in the > angel-intensive > SF novel of the same name by C. S. Lewis.) A connection between Novalis and Perelandra has come up before. Those on the list who've read C.S. Lewis' Space Trilogy agree that she and Michael are the most appropriate Superiors to preside over Perelandra and Malacandra (Mars). Michael's Malacandra Tether is, of course, at the top of Olympus Mons. 0;> =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:29:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New to list and a question - --- Joe Reimers wrote: > My question is, how do I keep the Lilim alive longer than > 45 seconds? The Malakite can't kill her if he has orders not to. What's needed is a reason for Dominic to give such an order. Perhaps the Lilim is an information broker who funnels choice data to Heaven; her Prince would cover for her if she revealed anything that worked against the interests of his enemies. Even better if she's a Nybblet - --a certain amount character assassination goes over big with Nybbas (if one chooses the right targets, that is). =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:36:17 -0600 From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" Subject: Re: IN> New to list and a question > My question is, how do I keep the Lilim alive longer than 45 seconds? If you want to get really dark, maybe she has some Gaeasa on the Malakite. That'd require some cooperation amongst the players pre-game, though. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:38:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The sun and celestial movement. - --- BC Petery wrote: > Earthman, I want your soul... Take me to your Superior... > Lilim are green which is traditionally Martian. But they > are female which is traditionally Venusian... Hmmm... if _Mars Needs Women_, what level Geas is that? > Orion was a mighty hunter. Laurence. In Greek mythology Orion was a hunter, but that's not the oldest version. To the ancient Arabs that constellation was known as al Jabbar ("the Giant"), and most of the stars in Orion are still known by their Arabic names (Rigel, Alnitak, Saiph, etc.). The giant theme is more appropriate to David IMO. On further reflection, however, I'd have to take Canes Venatici ("the Hunting Dogs") away from Jordi and give it to Asmodeus. But Jordi's got so many that he won't miss it. He gets Canis Major and Canis Minor anyway. Oh, and Novalis would get Columba ("the Dove"). > or Ethereal Tethers? Oh, yes. Michael would have to share Hercules with, well Hercules. Jordi might lose Ophiucus to Damballah. The Lung Wang have Draco locked up. Reticulum could go at least four ways easy; you could have a more literal view of the net and give it to Marduk or Indra, or you could go with the interpretation of a net as a web and give it to Anansi or Grandmother Spider. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:43:28 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> [ADMIN] Virus Check! Someone, probably on the digest list -- with dahak@compuserve.com, kira@pyrmaid.sjgames.com, smw4s@faraday.clas.virginia.edu, outofprint@barnesandnoble.com, and in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com in their email box -- has a virus. Probably Klez. Note that Klez will eventually blow up and destroy much of your data, from what I've heard. Virus check time. - --Beth, List Admin http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:11:08 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN>Garr, spooty hotmail At 8:32 PM +0000 9/25/02, Sirea Theyal wrote: >Well, seems that I got kicked to the digest again because of Hotmail sucking >-_-;; I'm going to go back onto the regular list, but I'm not going to post >until I can find a good email service that wont do this kind of stuff, so I >wont get whapped back onto digest. If anyone has a suggestion for a mail >client aside from Eudora, feel free to tell me :/ It's not whether you post. It's whether _hotmail_ accepts email sent to YOU. If I get hotmail bouncing 15-16 messages (that the list sent to hotmail addresses), I'm going to move them. (Technically, the listrules say that bouncing email gets u n s u b s c r i b e d, but I'm trying to be nice here.) Eudora isn't the problem. Eudora is a _fine_ email program. Please, keep using Eudora! O:> As has been noted, other free POP email services include: http://www.softhome.net and tiscali.co.uk -- you might try those. Alternatively, you could try going to www.google.com , and looking for "free email pop accounts" -- that would likely turn up a few options, as well. (Indeed, I just did this this, and there's www.hotpop.com, www.mailstart.com, www.access-4-free.com, www.emailaddresses.com/email_pop.htm -- which lists more free pop emailers, mail.yahoo.com, and mail.lycos.com. All on the first page of the google search. I don't know what the quality of those are, but there are more free POP servers than hotmail the bouncy.) - --Beth, List Admin http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:28:21 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> The List and the Digest At 7:32 AM -0400 9/23/02, EDG wrote: > every email from the list that gets >bounced from your account gets bounced into Beth's personal email account. > >*Every* *single* *one*. Right. Go and read www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html . It says the very same thing. This is my PERSONAL email account. If it fills up (and it does have a limit), then **I** will bounce any email sent to me. This is not something I feel like having happen, and it takes time to download every single bounce report even when I do have enough space. I got over 300 email messages IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD. I don't need more bounces. Many of the hotmail bounces, BTW, don't say "mailbox full," but: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- and "Service unavailable". I don't have time to wait for Hotmail to stop hiccuping, especially when the list is busy. Putting people on the digest at least stops the bounces, and hopefully the digest will not fill up before the problem clears up and the victim can r e s u b itself to the main list. Note that the listrules state that there will be u n s u b s c r i ptions due to bounces. If I happen to remember or believe that someone is usually good about not bouncing, and posts, I will move that person to the digest first. If I remember. That's so that the person can still post. Of course, if enough people complain about this, I'll just remove any address that bounces and the person will have to r e s u b s c r i b e from scratch. >As a parting note, I am not sure whether *either* of the messages listed on >www.sjgames.com for Beth is correct. (I have seen arcangel@s j g ames.com >and emccoy@n h . ultranet.com.) If you want to reach Beth quickly, use >arcangel@i o .com. (Obviously, remove the spaces.) She will be on >vacation until the 25th, but I believe she is still checking her email. Alas, I had no chance to do so. If I'm in Austin, I _might_ have access to a computer -- but assume that I won't. I am told that my archangel@sjgames.com "account" will forward to my arcangel@io.com one. My Ultranet one might or might not forward. RCN certainly sends the spam along. O:p However, I don't know if "arcangel@sjgames.com" works, and if you were trying "archangel@io.com," then it definitely bounced. Note that you can also send to , and it ought to arrive. (That's in the listrules -- though I see that the listrules still have my ultranet account listed there. EDG, help? (Oh, bah, now I have to fix the one that gets sent out. Ugh.)) Basically, whenever you (that's the generic "y'all" you, or YOU SITTING RIGHT THERE WITH A QUESTION) have a question about the list, PLEASE check www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html . It has many answers there. It is very useful. - --Beth, List Admin http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:32:00 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Words At 4:36 PM -0400 9/23/02, BC Petery wrote: >Is there a list of "Words that have been granted in Canon?" Every time I >come up with an idea for a Word Bound I always wonder if that word has been >used. There was, at www.incyclopedia.org, but that domain name has fallen into something or other, and the original maintainer of it hasn't contacted me recently. (Now, if he'd _LIKE_ to do so, I can try to at least get stuff shifted over to something like www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/incyclopedia or something like that.) - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:29:08 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Garr, spooty hotmail >At 8:32 PM +0000 9/25/02, Sirea Theyal wrote: > >Well, seems that I got kicked to the digest again because of Hotmail >sucking > >-_-;; I'm going to go back onto the regular list, but I'm not going to >post > >until I can find a good email service that wont do this kind of stuff, so >I > >wont get whapped back onto digest. If anyone has a suggestion for a mail > >client aside from Eudora, feel free to tell me :/ > >It's not whether you post. It's whether _hotmail_ accepts email sent to >YOU. If I get hotmail bouncing 15-16 messages (that the list sent to >hotmail addresses), I'm going to move them. (Technically, the listrules >say that bouncing email gets u n s u b s c r i b e d, but I'm trying >to be nice here.) > >Eudora isn't the problem. Eudora is a _fine_ email program. Please, >keep using Eudora! O:> > >As has been noted, other free POP email services include: >http://www.softhome.net and tiscali.co.uk -- you might try those. >Alternatively, you could try going to www.google.com , and looking >for "free email pop accounts" -- that would likely turn up a few >options, as well. > >(Indeed, I just did this this, and there's www.hotpop.com, >www.mailstart.com, >www.access-4-free.com, www.emailaddresses.com/email_pop.htm -- which lists >more free pop emailers, mail.yahoo.com, and mail.lycos.com. All on the >first page of the google search. I don't know what the quality of those >are, but there are more free POP servers than hotmail the bouncy.) Oh... okay then. I signed up for softhome last night, but I'm a wee bit confused on something- can I go to the website hotmail.com and use my mail from there using the adress of soandso@softhome, or do I have to use something else, another website from which to use my mail then? Sorry for the trouble, I'd like to learn what to do to make this work, thanks -_- _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: 26 Sep 2002 21:55:57 +0200 From: Rens Houben Subject: Re: IN> Hotmail vs the List - --=-IQVVpV42AJU7GDrI1SH+ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 23:49, Eric Bertish wrote: > > Hotmail is really a very unreliable email provider, and has been even > > worse in the last month of so. I'd strongly suggest getting a backup > > email provider if you possibly can. > There is a problem with this fine solution: POP accounts cost money. > Hotmail is the only free POP email account that I know about, and I think > it's ridiculous to have to *pay* to be on a mailing list. Here is a suggestion to your fine problem: If you're too zarking cheap to pay the most likely highly reasonable added fee for a pop3 mail account from your ISP (what kind of ISP *doesn't* give out a pop3 mail account by default anyway?), then don't zarking complain about the lack of quality of something you get for free. (With apologies to Beth, but it's not in my nature to be dispassionate about this issue) - -Shad, Cherub of Lightning in service to Orc, Angel of underpaid linux syadmins with too much time on their hands - --=20 Rens Houben / Shadur t'Kharn: Linux guru, programmer, geek, dreamer. GPG public key at: http://dwagon.sandwich.net/~shadur/pgpkey -- new 08/23/2000 Resume at http://dwagon.sandwich.net/~shadur/CV/ - --=-IQVVpV42AJU7GDrI1SH+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA9k2ZNR5T92/AjF/gRAhPRAKClhBVf3wahOdi0fgEO6kzWWPCRswCcC/ds Gkirngu5WQh+HNFlQwiz8Zc= =JUnD - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - --=-IQVVpV42AJU7GDrI1SH+-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:04:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Fade the Cat Subject: IN> Looking for the author... Not too long ago (I think), someone on the list wrote up a hypothetical scenario in which all of the tethers on Earth suddenly snapped shut, sucking in any celestials/ethereals nearby before closing, and refusing to let anyone back on the corporeal plane again. The symphony getting tired of all the disturbance, or some such. Could the person who wrote this piece contact me privately off list? I'd like to use some of the ideas from it for an article I'm writing, and would like to ask permission from the appropriate person. - --Fade the Cat _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:10:32 -0500 From: Andrew Hackard Subject: Re: IN> Hotmail vs the List At 09:55 PM 09/26/02 +0200, Rens Houben wrote: >-Shad, Cherub of Lightning in service to Orc, Angel of underpaid linux >syadmins with too much time on their hands Maybe you could use some of that time to turn off the automatic attachments that are coming with your e-mail. They are an odious blight upon the land. - -- If the doors of perception were cleansed | hackard@io.com everything would appear to man as it is, | infinite. -- William Blake | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:42:55 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Pyramid Canon? Not really (Re: Words) At 2:11 PM -0700 9/23/02, Michael Walton wrote: >and more than a few issues of Pyramid (if those are >considered canon). Pyramid is "deuterocanonical," if I correctly recall the term. I.e., it's not definitively, automatically canon, but it's more official than something which gets tossed onto the list (e.g., the Superior Soap Opera) or the .innomine group of the Pyramid discussion boards. (What this really means is that stuff that's on Pyramid is right there for the snagging, should something come up that would fit whatever niche needs fitting -- why reinvent the wheel when you can ask the author, "Hey, can we use this?" Also, some material showed up in Pyramid first, before being used in the book. And some material showed up in Pyramid after -- Ghosts, for instance, was in the slushpile, but I remembered it and it's why that author OUGHT to have additional material credit for the CPG, and does in its errata.) I hope that answers the question. I'm a bit sick right now and may have lost the thread of it... - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:58:42 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> New Ethereal Spirit At 5:20 PM -0600 9/23/02, Rampaging Crypto-Man wrote: >> In my opinion, it's more than just the negative feelings generated by the >> adults. It's the flood of advertising that occurs whenever new Barbie >> products hit the shelves. > >Even then, all advertising does is change opinions, and I believe the mild >opinions most adults have about Barbie would be out-done by the love >millions of Children (Hey, there -- some kids never particularly liked Barbie! Like, er, me. I had two of them and a Cindy. I liked Cindy better. She was more anime- like (which I didn't realize was the attraction till much later).) And, you know, there's nothing that states that both Barbies can't exist together. They just have to split the Essence. Heh heh heh... >In a darker campaign, [...] the Thundercats are Andrealphus's favorite >cartoon. I know what smut _you've_ been reading. Mmmm, Thundercatbois... - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:07:37 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Lucifer's Liver (or evidence that Kobal has a presence in the Marches) At 5:52 AM -0700 9/24/02, Michael Walton wrote: > I *love* the ending of this. Mad props! An' I'm a'giggling too. The dream was neat, as well. Nybbas trumps football? O:> - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:16:08 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Will Shackles At 7:08 PM -0700 9/24/02, Jim Burzelic wrote: >Thanks for the summary, Michael. I guess they weren't >what I thought they were, or maybe so. What I'm >looking for is some sort of Artifact that will keep a >being locked if you will. A celestial or ethereal in >celestial form couldn't ascend, descend, take >celestial or ethereal form, nothing. You're looking at a variant of Discord Bracelets ("Bound Bracelets"), also in the Liber Reliquarum. Most Bound Bracelets keep someone in corporeal form -- they inflict the Bound Discord while worn (and are quite difficult to remove). So either a variation on that theme, or an artifact that incorporates the Song of Seals (see Liber Canticorum). - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:15:16 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Hotmail vs the List At 09:55 PM 9/26/2002 +0200, Rens Houben wrote: >(With apologies to Beth, but it's not in my nature to be dispassionate >about this issue) #1: Do not flame. Ever. (If this wasn't an intentional flame, it was certainly inflammatory.) #2: Do not post attachments to the mailing list. Ever. That is all. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:27:13 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN>Garr, spooty hotmail At 7:29 PM +0000 9/26/02, Sirea Theyal wrote: [stuff about switching over] I'll grab this in private email now. O:> - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:32:44 -0600 From: ebertish@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Hotmail vs the List Beth, may I please make a rebuttal? I promise I won't be flammable. Rens Houben writes: > Here is a suggestion to your fine problem: If you're too zarking cheap > to pay the most likely highly reasonable added fee for a pop3 mail Let's see. Each month, I pay my car loan, the insurance on said car, the gas for commuting two hours daily, rent, food, utilities, and the installment on an engagement ring. And, since I'm moving mid-October, I have to pay *double* rent. So if I can get something for free, I will. *Not* to do so is fiscally irresponsible. > account from your ISP (what kind of ISP *doesn't* give out a pop3 mail The DSL line that goes to my landlady's house is in her name, not mine, and therefore she gets the account, not me. > (With apologies to Beth, but it's not in my nature to be dispassionate > about this issue) Actually, you owe *me* the apology. -- Casca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:47:22 -0600 From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" Subject: IN> New superiors. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0100_01C2656B.9F3DF8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've forgotten where this is written down. What happens to an angel if = his Superior falls, assuming he finds a new Superior shortly thereafter? = Does he keep his attunements or lose them? 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I've forgotten where this is written = down. =20 What happens to an angel if his Superior falls, assuming he finds a new = Superior=20 shortly thereafter?  Does he keep his attunements or lose=20 them?
 
Ben
 
"You're all the things I've got to = remember."
--=20 A-ha
- ------=_NextPart_000_0100_01C2656B.9F3DF8E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:01:07 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> New superiors. Rampaging Crypto-Man wrote: > > I've forgotten where this is written down.  What happens to an angel > if his Superior falls, assuming he finds a new Superior shortly > thereafter?  Does he keep his attunements or lose them? He keeps them unless the new Superior removes them. He loses rites, though. The same happens if a Superior dies, I think. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 05:05:57 +0800 From: "Manny Nepomuceno" Subject: RE: IN> Hotmail vs the List Hey, >I've forgotten where this is written down. What happens to an angel if his Superior falls, assuming he finds a new Superior shortly thereafter? Does he keep his attunements or lose them? IIRC He keeps his Attunements, but he will most likely be watched by Judgment and the Seraphim Council and asked to select a new Superior. Depending on the new Superior, the angel will most likely lose his old Attunements, as there is some fear that the Word itself was tainted by the Superior's Fall. Arguments can be made for certain Archangels who will go against the trend (i.e. Michael, who might concievably see the use of such special abilities), but I can see Archangels like Dominic and Laurence forcing their new Servitors to give up old Attunements. Again, this is "most likely". Some angels can continue to serve their old Superior's Word without getting into a new Superior's organization - -- a certain Malakite of Light Seneschal comes to mind (in LCast) and quite possibly Sophia, the Angel of Wisdom. Although a strong case can be made for her serving Destiny. And, IIRC, his old rites don't work anymore, as his old Superior isn't available to channel the Essence. Not sure what happens to Distinctions. ;) Manny Neps http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools P.s. Apologies in advance for any technical issues with this email. I had to reformat recently and haven't tweaked Outlook as much as I'd like to. If all else fails, it's back to Eudora for me. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 05:08:26 +0800 From: "Manny Nepomuceno" Subject: IN> IPG thought Hey, Just reread the first part of the IPG, where it mentions the Superior oppositions post-Fall. One question: who did Lucifer pit against Uriel? It doesn't say, and I don't see why Lucifer would leave Uriel unopposed. ;) Manny Neps http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:18:50 -0700 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> IPG thought Manny Nepomuceno wrote: > > Hey, > > Just reread the first part of the IPG, where it mentions the Superior > oppositions post-Fall. > > One question: who did Lucifer pit against Uriel? It doesn't say, and I > don't see why Lucifer would leave Uriel unopposed. > Wasn't that the job of the Prince(s) of Corruption? ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2787 ********************************