in_nomine-digest Friday, September 27 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2788 In this digest: Re: IN> IPG thought Re: IN> New to list and a question Re: IN> New superiors. Re: IN> IPG thought Re: IN> PC ideas Re: IN> The sun and celestial movement. IN> EPG (Re: Feline vessel) RE: IN> The sun and celestial movement. Re: IN> New superiors. Re: IN> Pyramid Re: IN> Pyramid Re: IN> The sun and celestial movement. Re: IN> Pyramid IN>Eli, Demon Prince of the Cancer IN> Feline vessel Re: IN>Eli, Demon Prince of the Cancer IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) IN> Feline vessel RE: IN> New to list and a question Re: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) Re: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) Re: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) Re: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) Re: IN> Feline vessel Re: IN>Eli, Demon Prince of the Cancer Re: IN>Eli, Demon Prince of the Cancer RE: IN> New to list and a question RE: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) RE: IN> New to list and a question (Spoiler Alert) RE: IN> New to list and a question RE: IN> New to list and a question (Spoiler Alert) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:21:19 -0600 From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" Subject: Re: IN> IPG thought > One question: who did Lucifer pit against Uriel? It doesn't say, and I > don't see why Lucifer would leave Uriel unopposed. > > ;) Manny Neps > http://www.geocities.com/angeloffools The book doesn't say, but Beelzebub eventually became the Prince of Corruption and opposed Uriel, who, in turn, slew him. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:27:26 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> New to list and a question >My question is, how do I keep the Lilim alive longer than 45 seconds? Or >are there any other suggestions for playing a "bad boy/girl rocker"? My >only longshot thought would be to show signs of the possibility of >Redemption, but man.... > >I should also mention my Malakite player plays his character to a T. > >Any thoughts? > >Joe R., GM of Destiny. Or Fate. If you're running Night Music, the setting should have a truce between angels and demons, wherein there's an uneasy detente that has people doing their various jobs without actually getting violent; and even helping each other out, now and then, in ways that support their own Words. Perhaps, if the Servitors of Judgment have been assigned to Austin, they've agreed to respect the local truce. For example, if the Malakite could reasonably believe that letting the truce stand was serving Heaven's cause better than heating up The War in the area, he could deal with the situation. Mind you, at the Judgment angels' weekly visits from Dominic, the cover of the Austin truce will likely be blown quickly. The Redemption candidate angle is by far the most easily workable, if the player is amenable. Your Lilim might try to keep her identity hidden from the other characters; this would probably work best if the player is interested in the role-playing challenge and willing to accept the consequences of failure -- doubtless violent and probably lethal, but then that's life in the War. I've never tried a mixed game; good luck. William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:28:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New superiors. - --- Rampaging Crypto-Man wrote: > I've forgotten where this is written down. What happens > to an angel if his Superior falls, assuming he finds a > new Superior shortly thereafter? Does he keep his > attunements or lose them? The Attunements still work; they're tied to the Word, not the Superior. Rites go bye-bye, however; they're tied to how that particular Celestial views the Word. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:41:18 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> PC ideas At 2:36 PM +0930 9/25/02, G N E Z D A wrote: >Okay, I had an idea for a PC in IN, but I'd like to get your input on it. >The character would probably be an ofanim (Ofanite) O:> >in a large (about 7 foot) feline looking vessel. [...] superhero-type >character who, in his spare time, makes toys and lollies for kids. Do you mean two vessels? O:> >but have amazing range in abilities, and require considerable discord to >keep them within the points limit. Eek, Discord. Your GM must be very forgiving about Discord... >I suppose, ideally, I'd give him from 6-12 songs (at most) and perhaps a >song or two that he'd use 'sotte voce' (so they'd have to be songs that can >have a small effect performed SV), When designing characters, I've found that it's most effective to give them 1-4 Songs at levels of, again, 1-4. The Songs at level 1 are Songs which have a long Duration (Numious Corpus, Corporeal Tongues) and/or are useful outside of combat when you have time to do a long performance (Healing). The ones at level 4 are the ones you need to be able to do quickly and have a decent chance that they'll work. My first character had umpty Songs at level 1. She never gets a chance to use them, so I never wind up improving them. (That, and I'm saving up for a relic...) It's inefficient. Fewer Songs at higher levels do narrow the possibilities slightly, but if you have a good relationship with your Superior (and the GM), then you can ask for Songs with your brownie points, as per the GMG discussion of "when to charge, when to reward" for stuff. O:> >In the end, I'm trying to give this character a more 'comic book' feel than >an 'angelic' feel, too. If this is the case, you likely want to A: use GURPS (with a GM who can strip out enough of the fiddly bits to make it run well) and/or B: get more points than normal, somehow. If your GM isn't adverse to Discord, then Merciful is likely a good one. And if you're a frippin' SEVEN FOOT CAT already, a little Aura probably won't hurt much on top of it. - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:49:19 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> The sun and celestial movement. At 1:08 PM -0400 9/25/02, EDG wrote: >There are at least two ways to deal with this without having to say "Damn, >she's right, back to the drawing board": > >1. Yes, it was different way back then. IIRC, there are hints in the books that, yes, it was different back then. >2. The reason for the limit is the Earth itself. [...] >once he reaches another celestial body, he may have that limit again. If you want to do Celestials In Space, this would be a good assumption to make. - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:57:43 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> EPG (Re: Feline vessel) At 7:32 AM -0400 9/26/02, EDG wrote: >If three months is a long way off, then yes; the EPG is slated for a >December release in the US. Maybe. Some snafus have put that date into doubt. Darn it. Think good thoughts. O:J - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:59:22 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: RE: IN> The sun and celestial movement. At 8:09 AM -0400 9/26/02, EDG wrote: >Eric Bertish wrote: > >>You know, I have a deep and abiding objection to the notion that Ofanim move >>at a fixed rate and cannot accelerate. > [...] >Yes, the Ofanite resonance needs work, especially the "move really fast" >aspect. I think I understand *why* it was underpowered Perhaps God doesn't WANT Ofanim exploring space. - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:04:33 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> New superiors. At 2:28 PM -0700 9/26/02, Michael Walton wrote: > The Attunements still work; they're tied to the Word, not >the Superior. Rites go bye-bye, however; they're tied to >how that particular Celestial views the Word. More accurately, they're tied to that particular Superior's _Essence reserves_. Yes, when you suck Essence from a Rite, your Superior feels a little going away. (Which is immediately replenished via a Tether or something, but still.) This is why you don't often get 10 Essence Rites... Orphans are covered in the IPG, at least, and probably in the GMG. - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:31 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Pyramid > Just wondering, who here is subscribed to Pyramid magazine? Moi. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:49:11 +0100 From: Harvey Mills Subject: Re: IN> Pyramid At 23:31 26/09/02 +0100, you wrote: > > Just wondering, who here is subscribed to Pyramid magazine? I am ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:50:29 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> The sun and celestial movement. > I definitely wouldn't use this. Half the fun of letting > the Ofanite drive is having everyone else bouncing around > in the back seat. Hell, that's half the fun of *playing* an Ofanite. (The other half is the woo-ha Jackie Chan/ Jet Li / Chow Yun-Fat stunts you're able to pull off.) - -- Casca "Undead, like the senior citizens of the more traditional democracies, represent a disproportionate segment of the electorate. However, their political leanings are quite different, as the short term is essentially meaningless to one who expects to live for over 1,000 years." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:30:44 -0600 From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" Subject: Re: IN> Pyramid I spam. Am. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:41:08 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: IN>Eli, Demon Prince of the Cancer Well, here's the third completed Demon Prince from my INverse World, Eli, Impudite Demon Prince of the Cancer. So far I have Genubath and Belial completed, and if anyone is interested in seeing the current (and probably final) list of AA's and DP's for this world, just email me personally :D I don't want to mess up the list anymore than it is already... I'm still working out my new mail account as fast as I can ;-; Anyway, I am hoping for nitpicks and input on this Prince, so I can word-smith him like I did with Genny and Belial. Hope you enjoy ^_^ Eli, Impudite Demon Prince of the Cancer "The World is all a part of God's creation but we cant stop there we must create more all the time we must create until it consumes everything and theres nothing left with which we can create with so create more and more we must make we must create more and more and more and more creratewecmustcreatewwe must create must helpGod we must makeshumans see god create moreandmorecreatecreatecreatecccccccrrrrrreeeaaaaateeee....... (and so on)" *Dissonance* Eli, like before he Fell, has no dissonance conditions; his demons are free to do as they will under his utterly mad reign. But... there are rumors from demon to demon, that sometimes, for no explainable reason, a Cancerite will be doing something of seemingly minor or mundane importance, and then become racked with HUGE amounts of dissonance, so much that he usually implodes on the spot. But that's just a rumor... *Band Attunements* (Cancerites, Madmen, Artists) Balseraphim: Tapping into the power of the Cancer, Balseraphim of Eli may infect others with their resonance through the original "host" of the Balseraph's lie. After making a successful resonance roll, the person the Balseraph told his lie to will become a host for the lie. For the next hosts Ethereal Forces in hours, anyone that he tells the lie to will believe it as if it was the Balseraph himself telling it to them, but each victim may resist with a Will roll, and like the Balseraph, the host cant effect more than his Celestial Forces in people at any one time. But like a cancer, the lie can domino and spread like wildfire. Djinn: When attuning to non-organic patterns, these Djinn have no limit upon how many they can attune to. The catch the this however, is that they must treat the attunement as a Cherubic one, gaining dissonance if they let harm come to their attuned! Calabim: Connected to the flow of creation, these Calabim may alter the age of their target with their resonance. When the demon rolls for damage, they may choose to age their victim forward or backwards, instead of damaging them, with the number of years being equal to the check digit of the roll. Habbalah: With their resonance, Eli's Punishers may inspire Creative Obsession in people, which makes them obsess over making one thing, and one thing alone, to the exclusion of all other things, even basic needs likes food and water! They give "tortured artist" a whole new meaning... Honorium: Same as the Canonical Malakite of Eli attunement. Dark Lilim: The dark muses of the artistic scene, Tempters who serve Eli may detect the Need of any creative person relating to getting a good idea or finishing an important piece of work. Then they give the artist all the inspiration they need... for a price, of course. We all love to talk about how our muses can be abusive. Shedim: When the Fleshless of the Cancer possess a human, they do not need to corrupt them... mentally that is. Instead, the host will take Body hits each day equal to the Shedite's Corporeal Forces. This manifests as large cancerous sores and boils appearing across the host's body, weeping sickly yellow fluid. Sometimes, when the Shedite leaves, the cancerous growth stays anyway, and eventually kills the host. Impudite: Same as the Canonical Mercurian of Eli attunement. Skulker: When these hidden creatures reproduce with someone, they have several advantages which make them a nightmare for the Host. First, they can determine if they will impregnate or be impregnated by their partner. Second, they can roll 1d to see how many children they will produce. Third, they can choose if the children will be wither male or female. Last, and worst of all, the Skulker can determine which of the children will become Children of the Fallen Girgori, or Nephallim!! Laurence would kill to have these beasts under his command, so that he could make armies of nightmare soldiers... *Servitor Attunements* Kaazam!: Same as Eli's Canon Abracadabra attunement. Transubstantiation: Same as Eli's Canon Transubstantiation attunement. CreateCreateCreate: By expending 1 Essence for every fifty pounds worth of material, a demon can take any object that is not celestial in origin, and split it in two, making a copy of it. What this does, however, is make the two halves -half- the quality of the original. Thus, a gold ring worth $1,200 will now be two slightly tarnished rings of $600 each. It is much more deadly when a Cancerite goes insane and starts to use it on things that need to be in good condition, such as cars, weapons, etc. The Million: This is a catch all phrase for the attunement Eli will grant to an individual demon for good service, or sometimes just at random. Each attunement will be distinct for the demon, and no two will be exactly the same. One demon may gain the ability to create unlimited ice cubes, another may be able to make cheese poisonous. The powers are varied and unpredictable, it's all up to what Eli sees fit to create for his Servitor. *Distinctions* Eli has no common distinctions, like Knight, Captain and Baron, though he does have other ones... (see below) *Other Distinctions* Eli has literally -thousands- of other distinctions he has made, many of which have not seen the light of day. He often will randomly give one out that is custom tailored to the demon, or one that is totally useless... it's up the GM, -anything- is possible. *Relations* Allied: No one Associated: No one Neutral: No one Hostile: Everyone else Enemy: Dominic *Rites* - -Have sex with someone, consensual or not - -Spend 6 hours creating something, -anything- - -Cause a human to die from some sort of creation - -Break something valuable apart and use it to create many lesser objects *Chance of Invocation* Random Eli is creating. Always. All the time, day and night. When you invoke him, how easy it is to do so will be totally random, roll 1d to see what it is. His modifiers change all the time too, often being some random thing that no demon would normally think of. *Invocation Modifier* +1- A creative modifier made up by the demon +2- Some form of birth control, destroyed by the demon +3- 50 people or more creating something at once +4- Someone who has completed over 100 creative works +5- Used paintbrushes from 100 different artists +6- A totally unique modifier made up by the demon DIGEST HISTORY Eli witnessed the Fall of nearly half the Heavenly Host, led by Michael, and he fled from Heaven to wander the earth, contemplating his existence. Michael came for him eventually, several centuries later, and did unspeakable things to him... and eventually, Eli, the Impudite Demon Prince of the Cancer and the only "sanctioned" Renegade Prince, started to wander the earth in his mad quest to create until everything is used up... Dominic, being the paranoid madman he is, still hunts Eli in hopes of bringing "justice" to him. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:31:58 +0930 From: "G N E Z D A" Subject: IN> Feline vessel Hmm... okay, how about this? When Eli went AWOL, Tez (my character, probably nicknamed The Sandyman) became a little disillusioned. While he didn't believe all the propaganda spread about Eli, he did lose faith. A servitor of Technology, seeing how valuable an Ofanim of Eli (and a very good artificer to boot!) would be in service to Technology, he set about 'recruiting' him (not getting him to Fall, just getting him to Outcast and serve, it mentions this happening in Sup4). Anyway, Tez served for a time, both as an Artificer and a field-tester. While he regretted serving a Prince, he was at least able to use his skills like he had in the past. Perhaps his vessel is a result of his service (some test vessel Vapula designed, or something). When Tez did finally escape, and joined Christopher, he chose to keep his feline vessel as a 24-hour a day reminder of his past mistakes. Christopher, not agreeing fully, did end up accepting Tez decision, and so he's stayed in this vessel ever since. - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2/08/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:24:47 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN>Eli, Demon Prince of the Cancer Eeeh. Nicely done. How about a description of Eli? Still the dredlocked man wandering around smoking and a bit stoned (or as he has been stereotyped)? Or is he something that looks a bit like that nice image of Makatiel that someone on the list wrote up a little while ago- Perfectly normal. Perfectly mundane. Perfectly calm. And constantly spreading some form of cancerous creation by touch. I don't know, maybe I expected something a bit more Cthuhuloid. Still, a great job. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:28:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) I would like to say, RIGHT NOW, that this is all two people's fault: David Edelstein's (for coming up with the original notion); and Eric Burns' (for both suggesting an alternate version, and suggesting-by-implication that it'd be something that _I'd_ do). Anyway, here it goes: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/silly/JCINB1.htm Hope that it's as much fun to read as it was to write. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/18/02 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:35:05 +0930 From: "G N E Z D A" Subject: IN> Feline vessel Hmm... perhaps his vessel is the result of Vapula's experimentation on him, thinking he's a key to the Messiah Project? - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2/08/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:54:13 +0300 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> New to list and a question - -----Original Message----- From: William J. Keith [mailto:wjk150@email.psu.edu] I've never tried a mixed game; good luck. DS1 I've managed a few, only being able to do short run games at Cons has one advantage; you get to choose the PCs mostly. Lilim are fairly good choice for a mixed game, but the Malakim is much more difficult without a lot of twisting from either the players or the GM. Throw in a Servant of Dominic and it gets progressively worse. You may want to suggest some changes to less unbending choices about those. Or you end up with the problems that many people fault "Fall of the Malakim" with. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 22:26:19 -0700 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) Maurice Lane wrote: > > I would like to say, RIGHT NOW, that this is all two > people's fault: David Edelstein's (for coming up with > the original notion); and Eric Burns' (for both > suggesting an alternate version, and > suggesting-by-implication that it'd be something that > _I'd_ do). > > Anyway, here it goes: > > http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/silly/JCINB1.htm > > Hope that it's as much fun to read as it was to write. Wow. Well done, Moe. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 01:15:01 -0500 From: "Brian Rogers" Subject: Re: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) I liked it. Especially the third one, the playable one. :) One problem: I loathe Jack Chick. I mean really loathe. I've never had much use for the day-to-day small minded zealots I meet in real life, and this guy just disgusts me. I wish he didn't. I pride myself in being able to see the funny side of things that are supposed to be serious, but this guy turns my stomach for some reason. I use the Terry Pratchett definition of "loathe". He pointed out that mere hatred is an attractive force. Many people hate things like, say, Britney Spears, but enjoy talking crap about her, and speculating whether certain body parts are real or not, and generally giving her a lot of thought. I don't even want to think about Chick. I don't want to hear about him. I certainly can't read his stuff. I can write this email mostly by not concentrating too hard on what I am writing about, thinking mostly about Moe's adventure, and Britney and Pratchett and stuff. If I ran this adventure, I would have to make an Ethereal power surge tap into some random zealot, or something similar. If a player asked me where I got the idea, and I mentioned Jack Chick, they would ask me where to read him, and then they would talk about him, and laugh about him, and I would have to leave the room. So random zealot it is. I'm glad you all gain so much amusement from him. I wish I could join you in this. Honestly. But I wish the bastard had never been born. Later, Rev. Brian Rogers From: Maurice Lane > I would like to say, RIGHT NOW, that this is all two > people's fault: David Edelstein's (for coming up with > the original notion); and Eric Burns' (for both > suggesting an alternate version, and > suggesting-by-implication that it'd be something that > _I'd_ do). > > Anyway, here it goes: > > http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/silly/JCINB1.htm > > Hope that it's as much fun to read as it was to write. > > :) > > Moe - -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 03:24:20 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) >I would like to say, RIGHT NOW, that this is all two >people's fault: David Edelstein's (for coming up with >the original notion); and Eric Burns' (for both >suggesting an alternate version, and >suggesting-by-implication that it'd be something that >_I'd_ do). > I just want to mention, that all I've seen of this so far is the name of the link. And if I am correctly interpreting what the letters stand for... I am scared. Here goes nothing except my mind... Josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 03:56:37 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) > > >Here goes nothing except my mind... > And there it went. I was hoping, by the second one, that you would be doing something akin to the Paranoia campaign seed. And then you did scenario 3. BWAAH AH HAHAH AHAH AHAHAH AH A! Thank you. G'night. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 05:30:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Feline vessel - --- G N E Z D A wrote: > When Tez did finally escape, and > joined Christopher, he chose to keep his feline vessel as > a 24-hour a day > reminder of his past mistakes. Christopher, not agreeing > fully, did end up > accepting Tez decision, and so he's stayed in this vessel > ever since. That makes a bit of sense. He'll still need to stay out of sight most of the time, though -- but IIRC, your original concept required that anyway. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 06:05:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN>Eli, Demon Prince of the Cancer Once again, Sirea, you've come up with something really twisted. And I mean that in a good way. - --- Sirea Theyal wrote: > Eli, like before he Fell, has no dissonance conditions; I can actually see a logical Dissonance condition for the Cancer; to stop creating. It seems to me that this Eli would want his Servitors to always be working on something. Breaks, if any, should be short. > After making a successful resonance roll, the person the > Balseraph told his lie to will become a host for the lie. This is way cool. Also very similar to one of the Distinctions that I created for pre-Fall Lucifer. It's pretty powerful as written, though; either the time span should be shorter or the number of allowable targets should be smaller, IMO. > Djinn: When attuning to non-organic patterns, these Djinn > have no limit upon > how many they can attune to. The catch the this however, > is that they must > treat the attunement as a Cherubic one, gaining > dissonance if they let harm > come to their attuned! I don't see how this is Cancerous, myself. > Calabim: Connected to the flow of creation, these Calabim > may alter the age > of their target with their resonance. IOW, a powered-down version of the canonical Ofanite of Creation Attunement. Logical, though. > Shedim: When the Fleshless of the Cancer possess a human, > they do not need > to corrupt them... mentally that is. Instead, the host > will take Body hits > each day equal to the Shedite's Corporeal Forces. Yikes! That's _too_ ugly. I love it! This needs a resistance roll, though. Maybe the Shedite should roll just as if trying to corrupt the Host, and can opt to do damage instead. > Skulker: When these hidden creatures reproduce with > someone, they have > several advantages which make them a nightmare for the > Host. First, they can > determine if they will impregnate or be impregnated by > their partner. > Second, they can roll 1d to see how many children they > will produce. Third, > they can choose if the children will be wither male or > female. Last, and > worst of all, the Skulker can determine which of the > children will become > Children of the Fallen Girgori, or Nephallim!! This sets off alarms for me, but I'm not sure why yet. > *Servitor Attunements* > CreateCreateCreate: By expending 1 Essence for every > fifty pounds worth of > material, a demon can take any object that is not > celestial in origin, and > split it in two, making a copy of it. What this does, > however, is make the > two halves -half- the quality of the original. Nice. > The Million: This is a catch all phrase for the > attunement Eli will grant to > an individual demon for good service, or sometimes just > at random. This makes a lot of work for the GM. There's also the problem of maintaining game balance with all those different Attunements in play. One good one would be better, methinks. > *Other Distinctions* > > Eli has literally -thousands- of other distinctions he > has made, many of > which have not seen the light of day. He often will > randomly give one out > that is custom tailored to the demon, or one that is > totally useless... it's > up the GM, -anything- is possible. I actually did something like this for Raziel's Higher Distinctions, but those have no cool powers tied to them. This causes the same problems as the Million Attunement, though it works better for Distinctions. What might be better is to have a single power, but a variable choice of targets. For example, the ability to duplicate one kind of mundane object instantly, Eli chooses what type of object when he grants the Distinction. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:17:53 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN>Eli, Demon Prince of the Cancer >Eeeh. Nicely done. How about a description of Eli? Still the dredlocked >man wandering around smoking and a bit stoned (or as he has been >stereotyped)? Not exactly, see below :) > >Or is he something that looks a bit like that nice image of Makatiel that >someone on the list wrote up a little while ago- >Perfectly normal. Perfectly mundane. Perfectly calm. Actually, that was me who wrote him up like that o.o; > >And constantly spreading some form of cancerous creation by touch. > >I don't know, maybe I expected something a bit more Cthuhuloid. In human form, your right, he's his same old self, as he always was. Sweet, gentle, funny and kind, he looks and acts perfectly normal. A little scruffy, but fun and loves to talk about anything. But then look at his eyes. They're different from before. They now gleam with madness, and look right into you, seeing you only as another potential resource with which to create. But look deeper... and you'll see someone who himself is horrified at what he has become, a small child trapped and begging for release. But that will never happen, Michael made sure of it. In -celestial- form however... he appears as that same man. Still smiling. Still laughing. Covered in cancerous sores. Large chunks of dripping cancerous flesh hang from him. Fluid weeps in huge amounts from open wounds, and numerous underdeloped limbs hang weakly from various places. And he'll still smile, even as you scream, even as he reaches out and infects you, and you become another part of the Cancer. He always smiles. > >Still, a great job. > >Josh Thanks ^_^ anything wrong with the write up that you think needs work? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:27:27 -0500 From: Joe Reimers Subject: RE: IN> New to list and a question At 07:54 AM 9/27/2002 +0300, you wrote: >Or you end up with the problems that >many people fault "Fall of the Malakim" with. First, thanks for all the helpful hints, I do appreciate it. Second, what faults with "Fall of the Malakim?" I realize I'm supposedly a good distance from running it, but knowing my group's penchant for throwing campaigns out the window, I have to be prepared... (Also, supposing I do run FotM, if I want to do The Premiere first, how can I possibly justify having my Malakite of Judgement in LA?) Thanks! Joe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:45:19 -0600 From: Julian Mensch Subject: RE: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) I'd have to disagree. This is very, very RIGHT, and among the most truly funny things you've written. Thanks again, - -- Julian Mensch ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:30:16 +0300 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> New to list and a question (Spoiler Alert) My answer contains possible spoilers to some things - -----Original Message----- From: Joe Reimers [mailto:jreimers@nd.edu] First, thanks for all the helpful hints, I do appreciate it. Second, what faults with "Fall of the Malakim?" I realize I'm supposedly a good distance from running it, but knowing my group's penchant for throwing campaigns out the window, I have to be prepared... (Also, supposing I do run FotM, if I want to do The Premiere first, how can I possibly justify having my Malakite of Judgement in LA?) Thanks! DS1 Schnikies! When you said new, you meant it. The last week or so, they've been tearing up that particular game accessory. Summarizing it, sort of, there are a lot of difficult logic twists you have to go through in order to have Max, the Malakim, be allowed to become so dissonant. There are some plot threads in the entire story line of the series that wind up being so loosely connected as to be spiderwebs, and The Final Trumpet does have scenes which many feel are too limited in choices for the players. I like them overall, but my plans for using them require some revision of the storyline, which I probably would have done anyways because I am a big fan of Nordic Mythos and would likely have enlarged their part in things. I wish my current situation allowed me to be part of the Ethereal Player's Guide test group because I would dearly love to be a part of enlarging the Etheral's part in In Nomine. Personally, I would start a mixed group in "No Dinero" from "Heaven and Hell" because it has a much stronger "work together" attitude. Both sides are being manipulated by Loki and so both sides have a reason to cooperate. The Austin Texas stuff is good for a mixed group, but I found the Furfur Incident less fun. I know I am in the minority on this, but I really never liked Furfur and see little use for his Word in the grand scheme of things. And as I said before, I would seriously reconsider the Malakite of Judgment in a game with mixed PCs over a lengthy time. Even if he is ordered to be nice to the Lilim, he will be constantly reporting the actions everyone else takes to his superiors and basically be put in the position of either tattling on his buddies or gaining dissonance if they show the Lilim any kindness or get trapped in a geas. It just seems to me you are setting yourself up for huge amounts of conflict within your chosen group. This is fine if that is what you want, but it makes keeping them "together" over a long time very difficult. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:25:13 -0700 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: RE: IN> New to list and a question >>I know I am in the minority on this, but I really never liked Furfur and see little use for his Word in the grand scheme of things. Likewise. When my group ran Night Music, Furfur didn't survive the experience. The way this game is set up would be difficult to maintain over a long period of time unless the Lilim redeems. But if your players can handle such problems, you have a rather interesting game on your hands. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:25:57 -0500 From: Joe Reimers Subject: RE: IN> New to list and a question (Spoiler Alert) Hey, Thanks for the response. I'll respond to yours in-message. >Schnikies! When you said new, you meant it. I sure did :D That said, I'm totally hooked on the game, and interestingly enough, it's the one system I'm actually comfortable running. But looking more closely at it, yes, the standard Makakite oaths include the "if it is my choice" rider, which it clearly is not in this case. (Sleeping with demons, on the other hand, is a different matter...) "The Final Trumpet does have scenes which many feel are too limited in choices for the players." As far as I'm concerned, it's up to me to fill in the blanks, the adventure is more of a pallate than a complete adventure. >Personally, I would start a mixed group in "No Dinero" from "Heaven and >Hell" because it has a much stronger "work together" attitude. Both sides >are being manipulated by Loki and so both sides have a reason to cooperate. >The Austin Texas stuff is good for a mixed group, but I found the Furfur >Incident less fun. I know I am in the minority on this, but I really never >liked Furfur and see little use for his Word in the grand scheme of things. Part of my hook is that the Lilim will be sorely tempted to become a servitor of Hardcore. Also, we start tomorrow, and I'm really not nearly as comfortable with "No Dinero" as I am with "Demon Prince of R&R" in terms of preparation. >And as I said before, I would seriously reconsider the Malakite of Judgment >in a game with mixed PCs over a lengthy time. [snip] It just seems to me >you are setting >yourself up for huge amounts of conflict within your chosen group. We're no stranger to this, and the Malakite is one of the original characters. We were originally an Ofanite of Lightning, Serpah of Judgement, Malakite of Judgement (to get that judge and executioner thing going), Ofanite of Fire and Mercurian of Destiny. The Seraph of Judgement is creating a new character to better fit my style of running, but will probably be very similar in nature, and the Ofanite of Fire's character just simply was not well put-together and didn't fit in with the group. I haven't heard back from the Mercurian's player. But the Ofanite of Fire is seriously wanting to play a Lilim of the Media: he tends to lean toward playing "bad boys" (or girls, as the case may be.) I'm thinking seriously I may try to talk the Lilim-wannabe into playing a renegade Lilim of Drugs, who is looking for a new gig. Coming up with why she's renegade isn't too hard: drugs restrict freedom. She got on board selling the "drugs" part of "sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll", but she found she got a better high from the rock 'n' roll than from the drugs (she's a performer.) Her Dissonance didn't come so much from anti-drug campaigning as it did from failure to advocate drugs, and truth be told, she's found that it's not all that it's cracked up to be. She met up with Furfur and is doing him a favor... I think this setup will work well because she'll be at a loose end and be able to choose her Fate... or her Destiny! Question: do Renegades need to have Discord? If so, what would you recommend? TIA!! ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2788 ********************************