in_nomine-digest Friday, September 27 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2789 In this digest: RE: IN> New to list and a question (Spoiler Alert) RE: IN> New to list and a question IN> Discord question IN> Corporeal Entropy RE: IN> New to list and a question RE: IN> New to list and a question (Spoiler Alert) IN>Garr, spooty hotmail RE: IN> New to list and a question IN> Looking for the author... Re: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) IN> Interesting question whose answer I don't remember Re: IN> Interesting question whose answer I don't remember Re: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) IN>Jack Chick the Wackaloon IN> Feline vessel IN> New to list and a question RE: IN> New to list and a question Re: IN> Corporeal Entropy Re: IN> Interesting question whose answer I don't remember Re: IN> Corporeal Entropy Re: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) Re: IN> Corporeal Entropy Re: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) Re: IN>Jack Chick the Wackaloon Re: IN> New to list and a question Re: IN> Hotmail vs the List Re: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) RE: IN> New to list and a question Re: IN> Corporeal Entropy Re: IN> New to list and a question Re: IN> Corporeal Entropy Re: IN> New to list and a question Re: IN> Corporeal Entropy Re: IN> Corporeal Entropy Re: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) Re: IN>Eli, Demon Prince of the Cancer Re: IN> Adventure Ideas II. IN> INverse Universe- Hell ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:39:51 -0400 From: EDG Subject: RE: IN> New to list and a question (Spoiler Alert) At 09:25 AM 9/27/2002 -0500, Joe Reimers wrote: >Question: do Renegades need to have Discord? If so, what would you recommend? IIRC, Outcasts and Renegades take 3 levels of Discord when their Heart shatters. It is the case that they start play with 3 levels of Discord, and it is the case that they receive extra character points because of this. (Typically, this is 9 points, but some Discords (such as Need) vary in their character point "cost".) - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:19:06 +0300 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW)" Subject: RE: IN> New to list and a question - -----Original Message----- From: Joe Reimers [mailto:jreimers@nd.edu] I think this setup will work well because she'll be at a loose end and be able to choose her Fate... or her Destiny! Question: do Renegades need to have Discord? If so, what would you recommend? TIA!! DS1 I have never seen anything requiring it. I have a fondness for the "Chained Geases" Discord for Lilim. Page 52 of the Demonic Player's Guide. Something about a Lilim in a slave collar and hadcuff bracelets that I find appealing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:40:36 -0700 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: IN> Discord question I was wondering something about the Need Discord. Would a Lilim get a bonus in seeing that Need in someone? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:56:49 -0400 From: EDG Subject: IN> Corporeal Entropy I really, truly wish I'd been able to take part in the Liber Canticorum playtest, because I would have had an answer to this question for several years now: How is growth not part of the natural aging process, at least for an organism that naturally grows? What's the reasoning behind ruling that Corporeal Entropy ages its target but *does not cause it to grow naturally*? Excuse me for asking, but with that clause - and Moe, no comments about the resale value of works of art - what's the point of the Song? - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:53:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Unni Solaas Subject: RE: IN> New to list and a question On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, EDG wrote: > At 09:25 AM 9/27/2002 -0500, Joe Reimers wrote: > > >Question: do Renegades need to have Discord? If so, what would you recommend? > > IIRC, Outcasts and Renegades take 3 levels of Discord when their Heart > shatters. It is the case that they start play with 3 levels of Discord, I just can't resist..:) Here's a tickler: Demon Dave does not, for some reason or other, have a Heart. He has a Vessel, but no Heart. And he wants out of Hell BADLY! So he manages to hitch a ride up a Tether. Most probably one of Lilith's, but there are other possibilities for the creative (or suitably insane). Safely up on Earth (Safely?! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!>:) Dave does his Davely gig without Discord. (Well - barring the Geas, but that's a special case, innit?) Or - Demon Dave /steals/ his Heart in stead of breaking it. Can a Heart be brought to Earth? Probably not in Canon, but who needs Canon when nasty fun stuff is abroad? :) Now Demon Dave needs to get to Earth, and Hide His Heart somewhere. (I have played a PC who did just that. Dug it down somewhere along the Appalachian Trail..:) It would be BAD(tm) if someone got a hold of that Heart, now wouldn't it....? --> Paranoia Ensues. If your player comes up with a Kewl consept and doesn't want Discort to start with, then sod Discord I say! :) Otoh, there are plenty Discords out there that can be a base for Fun Stuff. Yes, Discord is Bad. But when you combine Bad with Fun... ...she said pointing in the Moetican direction...;P - -- language, n; an intangible artificial construct for obscuring one's meanings and intentions to others. -ppint. Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: 27 Sep 2002 17:00:12 +0200 From: Rens Houben Subject: RE: IN> New to list and a question (Spoiler Alert) On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 16:25, Joe Reimers wrote: > Hey, Heya. Couple points... > But looking > more closely at it, yes, the standard Makakite oaths include the "if it is > my choice" rider, which it clearly is not in this case. (Sleeping with > demons, on the other hand, is a different matter...) He never swore not to sleep with demons. And as has been said earlier when this discussion came along first, his other oaths don't have the "if it's my choice" rider and THEY're killing him. Especially the not letting the name of Heaven be insulted ones... (side tangent: in my opinion, "demon" and "evil" do not need to be synonymous for purposes of this oath.. And anyone worthy of love is at least partly non-evil. ... say, that brings up a question. How about Dommie's Sword of Judgement attunement? Is being a demon an automatic "crime no less than murder" in terms of that clause? Because using it on a demon that's not so bad, even if not QUITE yet redemption material, wouldn't exactly be Just... On the other hand, killing a demon, any demon, is a Rite...) > Part of my hook is that the Lilim will be sorely tempted to become a > servitor of Hardcore. Also, we start tomorrow, and I'm really not nearly > as comfortable with "No Dinero" as I am with "Demon Prince of R&R" in terms > of preparation. In that case, the Malak isn't just "suffering an evil to live", he's allowing said evil to be strengthened. Not good. ... Just what *is* the standing policy regarding Malakim in Austin, anyway? Both from Superiors and the community? Because without specific orders not to upset the balance in Austin, I can't see any Malak being very welcome, or comfortable once there... > I'm thinking seriously I may try to talk the Lilim-wannabe into playing a > renegade Lilim of Drugs, who is looking for a new gig. Coming up with why > she's renegade isn't too hard: drugs restrict freedom. She got on board > selling the "drugs" part of "sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll", but she found > she got a better high from the rock 'n' roll than from the drugs (she's a > performer.) Her Dissonance didn't come so much from anti-drug campaigning > as it did from failure to advocate drugs, and truth be told, she's found > that it's not all that it's cracked up to be. She met up with Furfur and > is doing him a favor... > > I think this setup will work well because she'll be at a loose end and be > able to choose her Fate... or her Destiny! > > Question: do Renegades need to have Discord? If so, what would you recommend? Not really. All you need is to go AWOL. But a good RP-wise reason for doing so might be a nice idea, and Discord is one of the easiest ways for that. Especially a "selfless"-type Discord on a demon -- Getting caught by the Game with one of those means your Superior would have to have a REALLY compelling reason to take the heat from Asmodeus to let you not get publically executed. > TIA!! HTH, HAND. - -Shad - -- Rens Houben | opinions are mine Resident linux guru and sysadmin | if my employers have one Systemec Internet Services. |they'll tell you themselves PGP public key at http://suzaku.systemec.nl/shadur.key.asc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:03:16 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN>Garr, spooty hotmail > As has been noted, other free POP email services include: This list used to include Yahoo. If an e-mail provider wishes to remain viable they will eventualy start charging. I decided rather pay Yahoo than change all my business cards. I once opened a "free" account (Hotmail) just to see how badly they were spamming their subscribers. I never gave out the address, but within a month I was getting 40 pieces of spam each day. And I subscribe to the digest anyway. (Which is why my responses come in clusters.) I don't need 24/7 updates on IN. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Hey! You're mean!" -Squeakers, Reliever of Flowers "Yeah, but I'm _cute_ so I get away with it." -MacNorma (Free Lilim) BC Petery, Candidate for the Word of Grouchiness http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/IN/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:09:48 -0400 From: EDG Subject: RE: IN> New to list and a question At 04:53 PM 9/27/2002 +0200, Unni Solaas wrote: >I just can't resist..:) Here's a tickler: Demon Dave does not, for some >reason or other, have a Heart. He has a Vessel, but no Heart. Strange, but possible. (cf. my Free Malakite earlier.) Especially if you get your hands on some Primal Clay. >Or - Demon Dave /steals/ his Heart in stead of breaking it. Can a Heart be >brought to Earth? Probably not in Canon, but who needs Canon when nasty >fun stuff is abroad? :) Nope. If you're playing Kick-The-Canon, Hearts can go anywhere they want to. If you're sticking by the book, Hearts can't leave the plane in which they were created. (Hee hee! Demons' Hearts burn anyone who picks them up, except for the demon himself (and possibly his Superior). But what if one of Beleth's demons, whose Heart was created in the Marches, has the misfortune of his Heart being stolen by a Fire-aligned Ethereal, who *likes* the burning? In fact, maybe that's *why* he's stealing them - to line a nest or some such.) >If your player comes up with a Kewl consept and doesn't want Discort to >start with, then sod Discord I say! :) Otoh, there are plenty Discords out >there that can be a base for Fun Stuff. Yes, Discord is Bad. But when you >combine Bad with Fun... True enough. If you're not playing Kick-The-Canon, Renegades and Outcasts start with Discord. If you are... well, you probably won't be listening to what I say anyway. ;) - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:03:16 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Looking for the author... I believe it was called Wounded Earth. Do an advance search at Google. Make sure to put site:www.sjgames.com "Wounded Earth" in the _with the exact phrase_ field. On double check, don't. They haven't updated their "sjgames.com" files in a while and it's not there. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:05:29 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) Oh-my-God. This is beautiful. It's perfect. And after I read #3, I just died from laughter. It's so great! I can just imagine the conflict, especially between Beleth and Blandine... all they have to do to see each other now is go to their balcony and look across to the other one :/ Blandine: "So! Beleth. Been a while..." Beleth: "Uh... yeah. It has been." Blandine: "So..." Beleth: "Um..." Balndine: "How are things?" Beleth: "Oh! They're fine actually. I just saw the most wonderful dream yesterday and... uh, I mean, I hate you. Go away. Um, yeah." Blandine: "Well... alright. See you later honey!" Beleth: "(all giggly and bubbly) Okay sweety! See you around!" Beleth: "..." Beleth: "Hey! Waitaminute!" *smacks head* _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:15:50 -0400 From: EDG Subject: IN> Interesting question whose answer I don't remember So, a thought: Can a Demon Prince bind a demon to his Word without permission? (Not an already-bound demon, naturally, but one without a Heart?) - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:21:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Diane J Donaldson Subject: Re: IN> Interesting question whose answer I don't remember I don't see why not. If a Prince can create or unmake a demon, and add or subtract or rearrange a demon's forces as he chooses, surely simply binding a demon would be a snap. The demon would have to be present, naturally... The danger comes in what the other Princes think about it. djd On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, EDG wrote: > So, a thought: > > Can a Demon Prince bind a demon to his Word without permission? (Not an > already-bound demon, naturally, but one without a Heart?) > > -EDG > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:31:00 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) > >Blandine: "So! Beleth. Been a while..." > >Beleth: "Uh... yeah. It has been." > >Blandine: "So..." > >Beleth: "Um..." > >Balndine: "How are things?" > >Beleth: "Oh! They're fine actually. I just saw the most wonderful dream >yesterday and... uh, I mean, I hate you. Go away. Um, yeah." > >Blandine: "Well... alright. See you later honey!" > >Beleth: "(all giggly and bubbly) Okay sweety! See you around!" > >Beleth: "..." > >Beleth: "Hey! Waitaminute!" *smacks head* ::trying to keep straight face....:: ::fails:: H HA HA HAHAH AHAH AHA HA! He he hee... Of all the ways of handling that situation, I have to admit, I did not see that one. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:34:53 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: IN>Jack Chick the Wackaloon Please, forgive this for being a little off-topic, but I just read the whole "Should Christians play D&D?" article on JAck's website, and I couldn't help but laugh and feel horrified at the same time while reading it and subsequent articles related to it. I extend it to all roleplaying games (I'd LOVE to see what he has to say about In Nomine, the press would be wonderful for sales I'd imagine) and it just makes me sad to see these people talk like this, and take the deaths of disturbed or ruined people in vain by connecting them to roleplaying as the cause of death... it's just amazing that these people actual believe themselves when they say this. Roleplaying as a gateway to power and extreme sexual desires? I dunno about you guys, but Lilim and a hunky Michael aside, roleplaying doesn't much inspire "extreme violent and sexual thoughts" inside of me. If anything, they -relieve- them, much like what I think roleplaying intends to do in the first place. I felt sick when I read the "D&D Hall of Shame", those peoples lives are being mocked. They describe games as being "careful traps to ensare the souls of the innocent" and... jeese. I could go on and on, but this is just so messed up. Makes me feel sad that something so wonderful as being able to explore entire worlds inside of our minds is being branded like this by a few wacko extremists... I guess I'm just real angry about how peoples deaths and problems are being mocked an taken so lightly. Thanks for listening to me rant ^_^ But honestly, if D&D is so disgusting to him, what in the nine hells would he say about something like IN? Maybe he would actually... *shudder* approve of it? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:37:08 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Feline vessel Is this something like the "Beauty and the Beast" TV series? (Criticaly acclaimed, live action, CBS. Linda Hamilton was Assistant District Attorney Catherine Chandler, a crusading Manhattan lawyer. Ron Perlman as Vincent was the leonine protector of the underpeople.) More Info At: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0092319 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:55:58 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> New to list and a question > The way this game is set up would be difficult to maintain over a long period > of time unless the Lilim redeems. But if your players can handle such > problems, you have a rather interesting game on your hands. A Free Lilim who did a favor for the Media and picked up a few goodies in exchange might be better. They aren't under the direct orders of a Prince to cause trouble. The Malakite might have a vow like Kathriel, Angel of Sculpting, Malakite of Creation ... Malakite Oaths: ... (iii) never make a snap judgment about someone; ... (Further Information about Kathriel is avaliable in the INC Rugues Gallery.) Also, in Final Trumpet (and online) there is Koriel, The Angel of Equal Truth, Seraph Friend of Judgement. > Question: do Renegades need to have Discord? If so, what would you recommend? No, they just have to shatter their Heart and run away from their Prince's service. This is one of the reasons Asmodeus looks upon Free Lilim with such disfavor; a Free is not IST anyone. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:28:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN> New to list and a question - --- Unni Solaas wrote: > Can a Heart be brought to Earth? In canon Hearts can't be moved from the plane where they're created -- but I don't recall anything saying that a Heart can't be made on the Corporeal plane. Of course, it takes a Superior to do that. Lilith might, but oh what she'd charge for it... =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:54:33 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Corporeal Entropy At 10:30 AM 9/27/2002 -0700, Michael Walton wrote: > Growth is very much part of the natural aging process, >but the Corporeal Song of Entropy is not natural aging. >Hence an unnatural side effect, i.e. no growth. I was given to understand that Corporeal Entropy accelerated or reversed the natural aging process to an unnatural degree, but I may be mistaken. What reason does the Symphony have to exclude growth, though? Will it reduce the - excuse the term - shrinkage of extreme age? (Again, if not, why not? What *else* doesn't it do? And what is growth tied to that *also* won't change?) > The Song's >greatest utility is in keeping Mortals young, not rapidly >aging young life forms to maturity. I don't buy this. This rationalization feels like a postfix or a kludge to me, as if someone said "Wait, people aren't just using this to keep themselves young? Better fix that." - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:55:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) [THUD!] [Reels jaw back up] Oh. My. God. That was too much. "There goes that theory" indeed. Moe, I really need some of whatever it is that they're feeding you. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:59:57 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) On Friday, September 27, 2002, at 12:28 AM, Maurice Lane wrote: > I would like to say, RIGHT NOW, that this is all two > people's fault: David Edelstein's (for coming up with > the original notion); and Eric Burns' (for both > suggesting an alternate version, and > suggesting-by-implication that it'd be something that > _I'd_ do). > And was I wrong? Was I? Huh? Was I? Wrong, that is? (Oh, and it's Burns's. See Strunk and White's _Elements of Style_. Paragraph 1. Literally. And "Burns's" is actually one of the examples.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:03 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN>Jack Chick the Wackaloon In article , sireabloodtear@hotmail.com (Sirea Theyal) wrote: > But honestly, if D&D is so disgusting to him, what in the nine hells > would he say about something like IN? Maybe he would actually... > *shudder* approve of it? Since in canon, there are resident Angels in the Vatican and archangels who support Catholicism, it's pretty safe to say that he wouldn't. You might want to search the list archives for "Jack Chick IN", which has some pointers on playing it his way. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:20:24 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> New to list and a question At 10:25 AM -0500 9/26/02, Joe Reimers wrote: [...] >My question is, how do I keep the Lilim alive longer than 45 seconds? Or >are there any other suggestions for playing a "bad boy/girl rocker"? My >only longshot thought would be to show signs of the possibility of >Redemption, but man.... Perhaps a Servitor of Creation? Redeemed from the Media? (Brights are rare, but hey -- introducing a Bright would make it easier to send your troubleshooters to LA later.*) There'd still be some friction with Judgment, but hey, what's a little roleplaying, hm? O:> (*Note that some people consider that the LA adventure has holes in it. I'm one of them. O:> I strongly suggest introducing the PCs _with_ the NPC Seraph from the FotM vignettes, and letting them bum around LA for a while, get to know the NPCs (and develop tolerate/hate relationships with them), maybe run them through the Premire adventure, then ship them off with the Seraph of Yves to talk to the Seneschal out of town (or, well, let them lose a vessel** (!)) for the emptying the city part.) (If you run it, that is.) (** Or not! I mean, maybe they'll ascend and blow the whistle earlier, or something clever, or get some kind of advantage. This is a feature, not a bug... O;> ) - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:40:38 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Hotmail vs the List At 2:32 PM -0600 9/26/02, ebertish@softhome.net wrote: >Beth, may I please make a rebuttal? I promise I won't be flammable. If you're going to ask, wait for an answer. Then, please, take it to email. Because if this gets any more flamey, anyone involved is going to be booted for a while. Helpful tips for other FREE POP servers is one thing. Back and forth about not getting a free one is another. - --Beth, List Admin http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:56:55 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) At 9:28 PM -0700 9/26/02, Maurice Lane wrote: >http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/silly/JCINB1.htm > >Hope that it's as much fun to read as it was to write. Moe, blessit, I'm SICK! I'm sick, and I had a sore throat and I have a runny nose and the LAST thing I need to be doing is laughing until I have coughing fits! At least the toddler is at Grammy's and hopefully napping there, so I don't have to worry about waking her up... *beth goes off, coughing and chortling and coughing* - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:13:40 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: RE: IN> New to list and a question At 9:25 AM -0500 9/27/02, Joe Reimers wrote: [...] >Question: do Renegades need to have Discord? If so, what would you recommend? Renegades who have smashed their Hearts have Discord. I'd suggest whatever will make the PC's life annoying, but not unlivable. O:> Mind, if you want her to have a thought of redeeming, Selfless, from the IPG, might be sufficiently amusing. If she called upon Mother to give her a hand, she might have Geases instead -- payment in return for removing Discord or even acquiring the Heart or severing the connection remotely. I suggest big ones, and one active one which says, "I Shall Not Tell Anyone Mom Helped Me." O:> - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:16:34 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Corporeal Entropy At 10:56 AM -0400 9/27/02, EDG wrote: >How is growth not part of the natural aging process, at least for an >organism that naturally grows? What's the reasoning behind ruling that >Corporeal Entropy ages its target but *does not cause it to grow >naturally*? It withers the cells (or youthens them), but does not cause cell division or cell undivision. > Excuse me for asking, but with that clause - and Moe, no >comments about the resale value of works of art - what's the point of the Song? To make people young again, or old and withered. ("Want your youth back? Sure. But you'll owe me.") ("Hahaha! Now you are old and crippled, and the grave is near! But sign on with me and...") Basically, it does it this way to avoid various things deemed crocks, such as growing seeds into trees to bust down doors. Or so I recall. - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:20:25 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> New to list and a question At 12:55 PM -0400 9/27/02, BC Petery wrote: >(Further Information about Kathriel is avaliable in the INC Rugues Gallery.) I thought she was exerpted from the Liber Servitorum Designer's notes, on Pyramid... >Also, in Final Trumpet (and online) there is Koriel, The Angel of Equal >Truth, Seraph Friend of Judgement. (Also on Pyramid.) >> Question: do Renegades need to have Discord? If so, what would you recommend? > >No, they just have to shatter their Heart Which causes Discord. - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:24:04 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Corporeal Entropy One might also stipulate that, while lots of IN effect run heedless over the conservation laws, Corporeal Entropy happens to conserve mass. Thus it can't reduce a man to a baby or expand a seed to a tree. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:53:16 -0500 From: Joe Reimers Subject: Re: IN> New to list and a question Thanks for all the insight. After brief conversations with the players, the party has a *very* different outlook now: Remaining are the Malakite of Judgement and Ofanite of Lightning (now sorta IST Judgement, sorta not.) The Lilim player has agreed to be a Renegade Lilim of Drugs. The former Seraph of Judgement is now going to play a Cherub of Creation (after I talked him out of playing a Malakite of Stone: 2 Malakim in Austin would be hard enough to pull off, and with a Lilim in the group? Fugetaboutit!) So we have the honor-bound and very judgmental Malakite, the technophile Easy Rider Ofanite, one of Eli's Finest, and a Renegade Daughter of Lilith. Why do I feel like Malphas's hand is behind this group? Anyway, I like where we're at now, since instead of a 3 on 1 situation, we have 4 distinctly seperate (and sometimes opposing) agendas. }:-) >Perhaps a Servitor of Creation? Redeemed from the Media? (Brights are >rare, but hey -- introducing a Bright would make it easier to send >your troubleshooters to LA later.*) > >There'd still be some friction with Judgment, but hey, what's a little >roleplaying, hm? O:> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:05:46 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Corporeal Entropy At 04:16 PM 9/27/2002 -0400, you wrote: >It withers the cells (or youthens them), but does not cause cell division >or cell undivision. But cell division is a natural part of aging beyond the growth process. :/ >To make people young again, or old and withered. ("Want your youth >back? Sure. But you'll owe me.") ("Hahaha! Now you are old and crippled, >and the grave is near! But sign on with me and...") See above. If your cells age past a certain point without new ones replacing them, they'll just disintegrate. >Basically, it does it this way to avoid various things deemed crocks, >such as growing seeds into trees to bust down doors. Or so I recall. I'd count that as a bona fide miracle, m'self. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:30:04 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Corporeal Entropy >>Basically, it does it this way to avoid various things deemed crocks, >>such as growing seeds into trees to bust down doors. Or so I recall. > >I'd count that as a bona fide miracle, m'self. I'd call that a trick from either Novalis or Eli. Probably Eli. Janet Anderson * * * * * * * * * For garments fine, and jewels red and blue, I would forsake this moment willingly to get me Honour, and for Courtesy. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:33:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG. (Crossposted to .innomine board) - --- Whistling in the Dark wrote: > > On Friday, September 27, 2002, at 12:28 AM, Maurice > Lane wrote: > > And was I wrong? Was I? Huh? Was I? Wrong, that is? Well, no. I just was making sure that the torchlit mobs knew where to go... :) > > (Oh, and it's Burns's. See Strunk and White's > _Elements of Style_. > Paragraph 1. Literally. And "Burns's" is actually > one of the examples.) Gotcha. My mistake... Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/18/02 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:34:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Unni Solaas Subject: Re: IN>Eli, Demon Prince of the Cancer Sirea, do you have a website where you can put these wonderfully Bad & Demented creations of yours? They Need to be put on a website, they Deserve a website! :) If you don't have one, have you considered blinking cutely to EDG and get them onto the In Nomine Collection? - -- language, n; an intangible artificial construct for obscuring one's meanings and intentions to others. -ppint. Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:52:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Adventure Ideas II. - --- Rampaging Crypto-Man wrote: > Next on my agenda I have: > * The Eden Experiment, and something the characters can > do to participate in it. Setting up the Garden is one thing (selecting the location, helping to bring in the plants and animals, etc.). > * Stuff to do in the few hundred years after the Eden > Experiment without going to Earth. Cataloging the names that Adam gave to the animals (for Destiny, especially). For Lightning, Knowledge and Creation there can be various projects for developing technologies that Humans won't need for a long time -- but Yves insists that these things are necessary. 0;> > * Ways Lucifer can try to convince the characters to > rebel against God. For those who have already developed anti-Human prejudices, Lucy can attack from that angle. If you like, I can send you the list of Attunements and Distinctions for Light that I came up with; Master of Illumination is tres nasty for spreading propaganda. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 22:08:12 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: IN> INverse Universe- Hell (I got another creative rush of energy last night, and stayed up for most of it to craft the skeleton work of the structure, Principalities, and Infernal Cathedrals of Hell for my INverse world. I even managed to draw a cruddy map :D anyways, here's the Principalities and the Cathedrals of Hell as I have it so far-) At the entrance to Hell stand the two Angels of Divine Justice, who see who will and will not go into the first section of Hell, the dark city of Damascus, which sits at the north end. Damascus is made up of several miles of small yellow buildings made from stone, in which damned souls and demons do the endless paperwork that helps to keep Hell running smooth. In the center of the city is Dominic's Cathedral, the Court of Hades, a large black building where Servitors of Condemnation judge demons and souls who have gone out of line. In the northwest part of Damascus lies the Prison, Zadkiel's massive gray Cathedral where she keeps the weak souls and rebellious demons locked away for further questioning... or torture. Around the right perimeter of Damascus is the Cave of Trials, Litheroy's realm, where the Prince of Accusation tests the damned souls very sanity and trust, turning them against each other and sapping the will to exist. In the center of Hell is the sprawling Infernal City (name subject to change) where only demons are allowed to live, and this is where much of the political activity happens. In the dead center of the Principality is the Grand Palace, or the Palace of Darkness, and it is Michael's Cathedral, and a direct Tether to the Lower Hells. This is where his mighty warriors train themselves, and where all the Princes meet if Michael calls for council. Is it huge and dark, standing like a violent sword stuck in the bleeding earth. On the left side of the city lies Uriel's Coliseum, where mighty demons battle each other for perfection of the self and greater glory. On the northeast side of the city is Kronos' Archives, where he keeps his records... On the right side of Hell is Lea Monde', the city of corruptions, where the Prince of Corruption, the Deal, and Fanaticism make their home. The city is rather old and fantasy-like in style, but it has all the modern pleasures and conveniences you can imagine. In the north section is the Yellow Citadel, a tall jutting tower made of sickly yellow metal, which is the Cathedral of Christopher, where he looks down upon his city and smiles. In the southeast section of the city is Marc's Bazaar, endless booths and shops where a demon or human can buy something and anything- if they make a deal. To the west of the Bazaar are the streets that wind around the Temple of Submission, Khalid's Cathedral, where humans submit their souls to the Dark God that Khalid demands you give yourself up to. South of Lea Monde' is The Blight, a patch of utterly dead and wasted land, where nothing lives, and only the most desolate of souls wander. Near the south of this Principality however, is The Swamp, the only place of life in Hell, and the domain of Novalis. Sickly plants and thick green water constitutes this dark place. To the west of The Blight, and the direct south of the Infernal City rises a massive mountain, taller than anything else in Hell, which is known as the Silent Mountain. It is shrouded in freezing mist and darkness, covered thickly with dead trees. Around the base of the mountain is The Graveyard, the home of Azrael, Prince of Death. Here, the soul of every human who has ever gone to Hell has a grave, and the demons of Death wander in silence as they tend to their duties. At the peak of the mountain is the Heavenly Plateau, Oannes Cathedral, a flat piece of frozen land from which one can see all of Hell and some of Heaven from. To the west of the Silent Mountain is the desolate Dis, where David makes his home. The surface of Dis is covered with squat gray buildings that all look the same from which human souls wander about their meaningless jobs, all of them conforming to whatever David desires, as he makes them an infernal mass of obedient slaves. Below the gray soils of Dis is David's Cathedral, The Caverns, endless smooth caves of black-gray stone where the Servitors of Assimilation go about their duties. To the west of the Infernal City is Sheol, the land of smoke, ash and fire, where Gabriel, Janus and Laurence reside. Gabriel owns The Volcano, torn and built up from the remains of her former Heavenly one, where fire and lava pour out daily into the hellish land below. The lava pours down into the Lake of Fire at the base of the mountain, where the Palace of Rhodes sits in the middle on a large island. The Palace is the Cathedral of Laurence, where he trains his troops in the infernal heat to become the mighty Blades against Heaven. To the northeast of the Volcano is Janus' Cathedral, the Hellstorm, a huge and eternal hurricane made of darkness and light, whipping out hot and cold winds. Unless your a Servitor of the Storm, don't go there. You -will- be killed by the conditions. Lastly, to the far right of Hell, just on the outside, are the Planes of Megiddo. They are rolling planes covered with thin, dry grass. The sky is always stormy and dark, everything is a dark shade of yellow like before a storm, and it is very dry and windy, static crackles in the air. At the north edge is The Pit, the home of Jordi, Prince of Genocide. In The Pit, demons and humans and all sorts of infernal creatures do battle with each other daily, all trying to survive and be the strongest. No one gets out of the massive hole without some sort of scar. In the middle of the Planes are the Hills of God, where the mad Habbalite Prince Jean makes his home. Thunder rolls heavily across the sky, and unholy prophets scream their scriptures to the darkness above, crying for God to give justice. To the south of all this is the grand and massive Pyramid of Power, where Rapahael sits. The pyramid is gigantic, colored red and gold, and filled with millions of endless rooms where the demons of Power learn their craft. Lastly, there is Blandine's Tower of Despair, on the edge of the Vale, looking out towards Heaven and at the Tower of Awe, which she built so long ago with her former lover... *HELL* - -Infernal City- Grand Palace: Michael (War/Hubris/Darkness) Coliseum: Uriel (Perfection) The Archives: Kronos (Fate) - -Damascus- Court of Hades: Dominic (Condemnation) The Prison: Zadkiel (Weakness) Cave of Trials: Litheroy (Accusation) - -Lea Monde'- Yellow Citadel: Christopher (Corruption) The Bazaar: Marc (the Deal) Temple of Submission: Khalid (Fanaticism) - -Sheol- The Volcano: Gabriel (Wrath) Palace of Rhodes: Laurence (the Blade) Hellstorm: Janus (the Storm) - -Planes of Megiddo- The Pit: Jordi (Genocide) Hills of God: Jean (Thunder) Pyramid of Power: Raphael (Power) - -Silent Mountain- The Graveyard: Azreal (Death) Heavenly Plateau: Oannes (The Heavens) - -The Blight- The Swamp: Novalis (Thorns) - -Dis- The Caverns: David (Assimilation) - -Marches- Tower of Despair: Blandine (Despair) Eli wanders the earth, so he has no Infernal Cathedral. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2789 ********************************