in_nomine-digest Thursday, October 3 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2797 In this digest: Re: IN> Free Will, Malakim, and One Lone Demon Re: IN> The Event IN> The Event IN> Espira, Djinn of Corruption, Demon of Redemption IN> Chickstuff IN> Today is Name-Your-Car Day IN> Paradoxes Re: IN> Accumulate Re: IN> One hand on the phone, the other on my sword Re: IN> Archangel of Fear. Re: IN> Today is Name-Your-Car Day Re: IN> Comes the Night, Comes the Terrible Dawn Re: IN> The Event RE: IN> Worlds One and Two (RE: The Event) IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... Re: IN> The Event Re: IN> The Event Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... Re: IN> The Event Re: IN> One hand on the phone, the other on my sword Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... Re: IN> The Event Re: IN> The Event Re: IN> The Event Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... IN> Giving Thanks and Credit (long) Re: IN> The Event Re: IN> The Event Re: IN> The Event Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... Re: IN> The Event Re: IN> The Event IN> Superiors Fanfics, "The War". Re: IN> The Event IN> Jesus Christ - Vampire Hunter Re: IN> The Event Re: IN> The Event ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:03:51 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Free Will, Malakim, and One Lone Demon So if its a selfless act, while generating dissodance, it doesn't seem like it should make one fall. Except there's that Choir Dissonance problem. A Mercurian might beat the living crap out of a Human in order to, say, prevent a rape. The act itself may be totally selfless, but it's against the Mercurian nature and therefore is punished by Dissonance. Thanks Michael. Teaches ME from going out from under the non-canon umbrella. lol But I see what you mean. That would be enough to cause that Mercurian to fall. *nods* I think I better establish in my game, yes, it generates dissodance but not enough to fall. Want to reward doing the right thing, even if it cost, but not cost enough to fall. Jeff =) - -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:11:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> The Event Ain't too fond of them, myself... although playing a _Bright_ Lilim of the Sword was fun, fun, FUN. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/18/02 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:15:26 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> The Event > non-shallow comedy well, and at it's best some of the > world two stuff seems reminiscent of Terry Pratchett At this point my mind started working on Earth 2, ala DC Comics. (If you're old enough to remember.) So what happens if the Tight-Assed IN (TAIN) meets the Profoundly Silly IN (PSIN)? Does the TAIN Dominic judge his PSIN counterpart? Can anyone tell the difference between TAIN/PSIN Yves/Kronos? And who's responsible for this collision? Kobol has my vote. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:15:27 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Espira, Djinn of Corruption, Demon of Redemption > if the player wanted to Fall voluntarily as a Malakite of a Wouldn't voluntarily falling count as surrendering to Hell? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:15:27 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Chickstuff It took me two hops to catch up with the subject. I wonder how many people wind up at chick.com while looking for Andre created/Nybbas distributed material. >>> As for him spelling trouble for the line -- the fruitcake >>> fundie fringe is never going to buy IN books anyway. >> >> For which I am grateful. > > While I would probably have opted for the more conservative course, > this is likely true enough. Maybe he'll buy a copy to see what the > fuss is about. Unlikely. I've seen his work. He seems to me like one of those people who uses his local hobby store as a library. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:15:27 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Today is Name-Your-Car Day > Servitors of just about anybody could get > great use out of this car - especially Windies - but how to get it away > from him...? Say that Volvo is looking for high mileage cars to use in a commercial and give him a lot of money for it. (You should be so lucky.) Get into an accident with him, and have an insurance adjuster IST Trade declare it "totaled." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:15:28 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Paradoxes > The next statement is false. > The previous statement is true. I always preferred the one they used on Star Trek: "I'm lying to you." Which, I suppose translates to: "Frog blast the vent core!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:16:08 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Accumulate Uriel a Bonkim, Bright Malakim, written up by Kingsley Lintz, and with an anime twist looks like a Bonakim version of Neo-Queen Serenity/Sailor Moon. >*ducks from even vaguely canon inclined thrown stones* Stones? Are you kidding? The notion of a returned Uriel looking like Neo-Queen Serenity tickles me pink. ^_^ Thanks! I really mean that! ^_^ I gave Blandine the role of the original Queen Serenity as a mentor to the Soldier version of Sailor Moon I wrote up a while back.(Yes, yes, there are anti-Mooniacs on the list, so I'll drop the fanraving for now. :^) ) William Is that the same write ups in the In Nomie collection archives? They were wonderful and have been trying to wrangle a way to bring them into the game I'm running now. But since you mentioned the anti-Mooniacs, perhaps we better discuss more off list? In anycase, thanks again. Its nice when someone understands where I am coming from...at least that portion of my non-canonistic views. ;-) Jeff =) - -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:21:29 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> One hand on the phone, the other on my sword "Let's go to work." Niiiice work Sirea! I like how business like the story came across. Like a 'needs to be done, let's get it over with' mood to the entire piece. A bit of business as usual, yet that feel of 'we have to put down old yellow' (*now how many remember that old disney flick?), though not with all the weepy emotions I remember at the end of that film. (and Yes, I did cry at the end of the movie, though I haven't seen it in years since I was a kid) Thanks for writing and sharing that story! Jeff =) - -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:24:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Archangel of Fear. - --- Whistling in the Dark wrote: > But what the heck. I like > Spider-Bel. As did we all: I understand that Mr Burns wrote it out essentially in one draft. B*stard. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/18/02 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:25:17 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Today is Name-Your-Car Day > has no potential for six Forces. Servitors of just about anybody could get > great use out of this car - especially Windies - but how to get it away > from him...? Give him the car's weight in Anime DVDs. - -- Casca If that doesn't work, break out the kawaii shoujo in sailor uniforms... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:26:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Comes the Night, Comes the Terrible Dawn - --- Whistling in the Dark wrote: > (Cheerfully waiting being put to death... not by > Moe, though. Moe will > want to see the next chapter.) Well, yeah. Moe PS Liked yours too, Josh. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/18/02 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:30:32 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> The Event At this point my mind started working on Earth 2, ala DC Comics. (If you're old enough to remember.) Oh yes! lol So what happens if the Tight-Assed IN (TAIN) meets the Profoundly Silly IN (PSIN)? Does the TAIN Dominic judge his PSIN counterpart? Can't you see it as they both look at each other and say in chorus "I am not amused?" (okay, quirky Jeff humor) And who's responsible for this collision? Kobol has my vote. Heeeey, I like this! Hmmm...has multiple universes in game already, has to be a way to work this in with Kobol being the instigator.... A little hard since the Echoes, as they are known, are an experiment to give the Ethereals a physical 'playground' to have vessels in and test out Uriel's theory when human re-encounters them as they now have cross-universe travel tech....yep, the Purity Test. Jeff =) - -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:39:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Shih Subject: RE: IN> Worlds One and Two (RE: The Event) - --- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Neither Urilebana nor Urichislon have become > Superiors > in the SSO. Urilebana is unlikely to do so, frankly; > her main claim to Weird Fame is having a .srl > extension. If not Urichislon, then Kathriel? She's the other one you've mentioned as having Superior potential, and IIRC, she's already held off a DP for long enough for the reinforcements to arrive -- twice. Jennifer __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:47:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... ... I really did like Josh's original. Try to believe me when I say this. :) Moe ... "It's not going to happen." "Amazing." "Excuse me?" "You didn't even wince." "Why would I wince?" "Well, you just told a lie..." "I DID NOT!" "Yes, you did. Well, you didn't say a Truth. The fact is, it IS going to happen, and there's damn little you can do about it." "Oh, really?" "Yes, really. There's only one way out of it." "And that would be..." "We start the Last Battle right here, right now. You and me. You get out of this literally over my dead body. "What, cat got your tongue?" "That's -cheating-." "Of _course_ it's cheating. I fight to win, after all." "And I don't?" "Don't try to change the subject. I've spent too long and pissed off too many people preparing for this. I've got the bar, the booze, the strippers, the Laurentine porn..." "The WHAT?!?" "Yeah, I know, it was a shock to me, too. My mistake for asking Andre for something a little out of the ordinary. Anyway, I've got all the stuff we need for one epic, unrighteous, absolutely radioactive blowout of a bachelor party... and, damn it all, you WILL come with me and you WILL get drunk and you WILL see exactly what you're passing up by getting hitched. It's f*cking traditional." "Just tell me why. You certainly don't want to see me married - and I _know_ that you hate her. You always hated her." "That's traditional, too. Evil Companions /always/ hate the Little Women who take away their drinking buddies." "Now -you're- changing the subject. Spill it." "Does it matter?" "Yes." "Fine. Look, what am I supposed to do? I won't tell you that I hope that you'll be happy, because I don't. I can't actually go to either the service or the reception, for obvious reasons. And I'm certainly not going to get you any of those stupid things on that stupid list that SHE made you ask for. "But I'm also -not- going to let my oldest friend go off and get married without doing something to mark the occasion. Deal with it." "_Fine_. Have it your way. Just one thing, though..." "What?" "If I even -see- a pair of handcuffs and a tub of shoe polish I'm going to kick your demonic ass all the way back to the Pit." "Damn. There goes the opening act." ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/18/02 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Wheel of Superior, Turn Turn Turn... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:22:49 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> The Event >So what happens if the Tight-Assed IN (TAIN) meets the Profoundly Silly IN >(PSIN)? Does the TAIN Dominic judge his PSIN counterpart? Can anyone tell >the difference between TAIN/PSIN Yves/Kronos? And who's responsible for this >collision? Kobol has my vote. > I'd say no for the Yves/Kronos question. The difference comes in the fact that their respective success rates differ dramatically in the two worlds. And Yves might talk more in PSIN. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:26:08 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> The Event >And who's responsible for this collision? Kobol has my vote. > Yes, Kobal works. But Kobal, Prince of Dark Humor? Or Kobal, Prince of Dark Humor IST to Heaven? ^_^' (well, okay, not IST Heaven, but sometimes comes close enough to look like Laughter again.) Josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:30:26 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... What's surprising is how long it took me to figure out who the speakers were. Nicely done. Josh And a great subject line to boot... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:39:08 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> The Event On Wednesday, October 2, 2002, at 07:01 PM, BC Petery wrote: >> I can't wait to see the children :D > Be careful of what you wish for. - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 10:49:34 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> One hand on the phone, the other on my sword My, there's a lot of good stuff on this list tonight ... Janet Anderson - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 10:53:08 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... Moe, if I get thrown out of here for making too much noise it will be *your* fault ... Janet Anderson - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:15:15 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... Moe -- nicely done as always. (Josh is clearly inspirational. This must be some kind of attunement. ) - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:19:55 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> The Event > Ain't too fond of them, myself... although playing a > _Bright_ Lilim of the Sword was fun, fun, FUN. :) Only because it gave you opportunity to exercise your Lucy Liu fetish. I suppose I'm in the absolute minority when I state that I think Bright Lilim Choir Attunements shouldn't exist? - -- Casca "Undead, like the senior citizens of the more traditional democracies, represent a disproportionate segment of the electorate. However, their political leanings are quite different, as the short term is essentially meaningless to one who expects to live for over 1,000 years." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:33:26 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> The Event - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Bertish" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:19 PM Subject: Re: IN> The Event [snip] > I suppose I'm in the absolute minority when I state that I think Bright > Lilim Choir Attunements shouldn't exist? Most likely. They're Archangels, they can make new Attunements any time they feel like putting in the research man-hours. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:36:59 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> The Event > I suppose I'm in the absolute minority when I state that I think Bright > Lilim Choir Attunements shouldn't exist? Well, I wouldn't go that far. Regular Lilim have different attunements depending on who they serve, so I don't see why Bright Lilim shouldn't do so as well. What I *do* think is that Bright Lilim are so incredibly rare that I'm reluctant to allow them as PCs. (What Superior fortunate enough to have a Bright Lilim working for him or her is going to waste such a resource, or put such a resource in danger, by sending her to Earth?) (As a GM, of course I could think of some reason why a Bright Lilim PC just *has* to go on Earth duty, but I think it's extremely unlikely.) Janet Anderson - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:40:51 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... LOL....alright..I'm a confessed Moe-ite. That was hilarious Moe! Jeff =) - -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:16:06 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: IN> Giving Thanks and Credit (long) Hi all, just wanted to let the list know how much I appreciate all the creative work and here is a credit list of the superiors I am adapting to my game. Once again, thanks to all of you. Oh, the ones that are by me, only Orc is written up, the others are concept notes only. It was tough enough getting the hang of Orc. If any of you feel inspired to want to write up any of them, I'm more than happy to turn concept notes over (had to ask). Due to the nature of the game I am running, its more human centered so the celestials are more in the background (for now). Eventually I'm going to ask for celestial characters and even some to play Superiors. The theme is very mythic, however, so meeting a Superior is not a once in a life time event for our heroic humans (in game story). Since I'm a very confirmed non-canonite I hope those mentioned are not offended by my use of your creations. I think I contacted most of you by email first asking. If I haven't and you don't want it used, please let me know privately. For the purposes of determining who is what: Terms: Mercurians are now known as Mereim (sing. Merea), Djinn are now known as Charadim (sing. Charad.) and The singluar of Lilim is Lilot. Rhymes with harlot are by by Casca All Major Superiors as of 2220 Archangels (33) Abbadon, the Archangel of Armageddon By Scott Corum Azreal, the Archangel of Death By Moe Lane* Blandine, Cherub Archangel of Dreams Christopher, Cherub Archangel of Children David, Malakite Archangel of Stone Dominic, Seraph Archangel of Judgment Eli, Kyriotate Archangel of Creation By Moe Lane Eve, Human Archangel of Women By Eric Alfred Burns Gabriel, Ofanite Archangel of Fire Galahad, Ethereal Archangel of Virtue By Moe Lane Isafrel, Seraph Archangel of the Symphony Adapted by Charles E. Smith Janus, Ofinite Archangel of the Wind Jean, Elohite Archangel of Lightning Jela, Cherub Archangel of Eternity By Jeffery Watkins Jordi, Kyriotate Archangel of Animals Laurence, Malakite Archangel of the Sword Leilani, Seraph Archangel of the Heavens By Manny Nepomucino Litheroy, Seraph Archangel of Revelation Marc, Merea Archangel of Trade Matrice, Kyriotate Archangel of Infinity By Jeffery Watkins Michael, Seraph Archangel of War Noniel, Seraph Archangel of Erotica By Eric Alfred Burns Novalis, Cherub Archangel of Flowers Orc, Kyriotate Archangel of Virtuality By Jeffery Watkins Phanuel, Bright Lilot Archangel of Faith By Moe Lane* Saint Peter, Human ArchSaint of Apostles By Richard C. Hanton-Rutherford Tamiel Seraph Archangel of the Deep By Erich Arendall Uriel, Bonakim Archangel of Purity By unknown list poster Vapula, Elohite Archangel of Science By Moe Lane Yves, the Archangel of Destiny Zadkiel, Cherub Archangel of Protection Zobah, Elohite Archangel of Warfare By Manny Nepomucino* Demon Princes (40) Aballam, Habbalite Demon Prince of Madness By Fallen Seraph Alaemon, Impudite Demon Prince of Secrets Andrealphus, Impudite Demon Prince of Lust Ascetus, Balseraph Demon Princess of Ignorance By Doug Atkinson Asmodeus, Charad Demon Prince of the Game Baal, Balsaraph Demon Prince of the War Balaam, Shedite Demon Prince of the Masses By Jeffery Watkins Beleth, Charad Demon Princess of Nightmares Belial, Calabite Demon Prince of Fire Dameron, Impudite Demon Prince of Slavery By Steven Feldon Fleurity, Habbalite Demon Prince of Drugs Furfur, Calabite Demon Prince of Destruction Gendu, Charad Demon Prince of the Stars By Manny Nepomucino Ghogiel, Calabite Demon Prince of the Occult By Emily Dresner Haagenti, Calabite Demon Prince of Gluttony Jaakobah, Belsaraph Demon Prince of Peril By By Julian Breen* Jabra'il, Calabite Demon Princess of Wrath By Amadán Jadis, Lilot Demon Princess of Ice By Austin George Loomis Khalid, Habbalite Demon Prince of Fanaticism Kobal, Impudite Demon Prince of Dark Humor Kronos, Balsaraph Demon Prince of Fate Lilith, Human Demon Princess of Freedom Loraj, Calabite Demon Prince of Storms By Moe Lane* Lynoure, Charad Demon Princess of Shadows By Moe Lane Magog, Shedite Demon Prince of Cruelty Malphas, Shedite Demon Prince of Factions Mammon, Balsaraph Demon Prince of Greed Marou, Impudite Demon Princess of Vanity By Manny Nepomucino Mephistopheles, Demon Prince of the Deal Morphus, Calabite Demon Prince of the Gun By psychosis@digitalexp.com Nergal, Charad Demon Prince of Sickness By "Colin Chapman" Nybbas, Impudite Demon Prince of the Media Rahab, Shedite Demon Prince of the Seas By Erich Arendall Saminga, Shedite Demon Prince of the Dead Word shift by Emily Dresner Sitnah, Shedite Demon Prince of Genocide By Eric Alfred Burns* Tanniyn, Nephallim Demon Prince of Monsters By Jeffery Watkins Valefor, Calabite Demon Prince of Theft Zamzummins, Lilot Demon Princess of Projects By Manny Nepomucio* Zeror, Dark Hawwah Demon Princess of The MachineBy Jeffery Watkins Zethar, Shedite Demon Prince of Technology By Jeffery Watkins *The altered/adapted/changed listings Azreal, the Archangel of Death From Moe?s Azreal Archangel of Passage Phanuel, Bright Lilot Archangel of Faith A combination of Phanuel Gregori Archangel of Faith and Moe?s female Khalid AA of Faith. Zobah, Elohite Archangel of Warfare From Manny?s Michael, Elohite Archangel of War Jaakobah, Belsaraph Demon Prince of Peril Originally named Mephistopheles in Julian?s write up Jabra'il, Calabite Demon Princess of Wrath Adapted from Amadan?s fallen Gabriel Loraj, Calabite Demon Prince of Storms Adapted from Moe?s Leviathan DP of Storms Sitnah, Shedite Demon Prince of Genocide Adapted from Eric?s fallen Jordi Zamzummins, Lilot Demon Princess of Projects Adapted from Manny?s Vapula, Lilim Princess of Technology Thanks again to you all!!! Jeff =) - -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:18:15 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> The Event > Well, I wouldn't go that far. Regular Lilim have different attunements depending on who they serve, so I don't see why Bright Lilim shouldn't do so as well. Because they aren't a choir. If they were a choir, they'd be fundamentally different from their Fallen counterparts, and they aren't. Therefore, since Demon Princes can't make a Band attunement for psychotic, discordant Malakim, neither should Archangels make choir attunements for Lilim, because *Lilim and Bright Lilim are the same species*. But then, I'm a fuddy-duddy. - -- Casca "Undead, like the senior citizens of the more traditional democracies, represent a disproportionate segment of the electorate. However, their political leanings are quite different, as the short term is essentially meaningless to one who expects to live for over 1,000 years." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:59:33 -0400 From: Damien A Wellman Subject: Re: IN> The Event On Tue, 01 Oct 2002 16:06:51 -0500 David Edelstein writes: > Impudites can be fairly non-revolting. I even played an Impudite who > was > in his own way a pretty sympathetic character. Certainly less > revolting > than a lot of humans, anyway. To tell the truth, I've been able to think of fairly sympathetic sorts for just about every Band but Shedim. Those guys are just *icky*, after all. Balseraphs are kind of hard to like too. I have a surprising like for Calabim... ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:20:37 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> The Event I suppose I'm in the absolute minority when I state that I think Bright Lilim Choir Attunements shouldn't exist? Possibly, the list is made up a varied community. I like the idea of them being 'redeemable' or saved is probably the better term since they were never angelic in the first place. Jeff - -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:24:38 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Hey, the Dawn is usually terrible BECAUSE of the Night Before... Damn it, Moe, I have four pages of a fiction already written about THIS VERY THING (Except it's not Novalis Michael's marrying - I started the Michael Wedding fic MONTHS ago, so this recent thread has AMUSED me).... Oh please post it...them!! Or let us know where your are placing them. *loves fanfics about the Superirors* Sorry...in control now. Jeff =) - -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:32:32 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> The Event >> Well, I wouldn't go that far. Regular Lilim have different attunements >depending on who they serve, so I don't see why Bright Lilim shouldn't do so >as well. > >Because they aren't a choir. If they were a choir, they'd be fundamentally >different from their Fallen counterparts, and they aren't. Therefore, since >Demon Princes can't make a Band attunement for psychotic, discordant >Malakim, neither should Archangels make choir attunements for Lilim, because >*Lilim and Bright Lilim are the same species*. > >But then, I'm a fuddy-duddy. > >-- Casca Counter: no Malakite ever gets to the point where his resonance simply won't work on recorded media because he has become so fundamentally, supernaturally selfish. Bright Lilim, unlike their demonic counterparts, can read recorded media, if they can see the subject's eyes. Discordant Malakim never start burning in the Light of Heaven; Bright Lilim, unlike their demonic counterparts, don't either. Etc. I don't see why Bright Lilim should not be considered angels. There are some pretty objective standards for determining this in canon(ignore that Habbalite behind the curtain), and Bright Lilim pass all the tests while unRedeemed Lilim don't. Just because they have (in *almost* all respects) the same resonance and dissonance condition doesn't mean they're still demons. Indeed, the fact that they're angels is alone probably one of the best reasons for an Archangel to send a Bright to Earth -- the propaganda in Hell is that Lilim can't Redeem, and a Bright interacting with standard Lilim, presuming her nature becomes known, defeats that particular line. William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:34:13 -0700 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> The Event Eric Bertish wrote: > > > Well, I wouldn't go that far. Regular Lilim have different attunements > depending on who they serve, so I don't see why Bright Lilim shouldn't do so > as well. > > Because they aren't a choir. If they were a choir, they'd be fundamentally > different from their Fallen counterparts, and they aren't. Therefore, since > Demon Princes can't make a Band attunement for psychotic, discordant > Malakim, neither should Archangels make choir attunements for Lilim, because > *Lilim and Bright Lilim are the same species*. Bright Lilim have undergone Redemption. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 00:41:10 -0700 From: Harukami Subject: IN> Superiors Fanfics, "The War". >Oh please post it...them!! Or let us know where your are placing them. *loves fanfics about the Superirors* Well, some of them are going to have *ahem* mature content, (ie, my Laurence parody fic, "So An Archangel Walked Into a Leatherbar) and those will probably end up on my webpage, with links posted here (when I get around to HTMLing again. ARrgh, midterms.). But I do have ONE on hand that I've gotten fairly polished and that I suppose /vaguely/ relates to recent topics (only not at all, really. It's just a short mood piece, mind. (As for the Michael Wedding fic, that is all the fault of MegaHAL and those of you who've heard of it will thus be cringing. And it's not finished enough to post yet, though I appreciate the interest!) >Sorry...in control now. Hey, I appreciate it! :D Haru (fic below) The War - by Harukami They meet in a bar. It is not a place deserving of their presence. The bar is dingy, hazed in a cloud of smoke, thick with the tang of nicotine. Whenever somebody makes the slow trip to the bathroom or from a table to the bar, the shattered remains of peanut husks crunch under their feet in little pops and hisses. A television hangs over the bar. It has poor reception and fuzz regularly travels over its surface in a louder hiss and crackle - every so often a news anchor's voice will pop through, suddenly loud. The disjointed quality makes words impossible and so the noises are just moans of sound, like human suffering. It has put the patrons on edge; they drink more, couples huddle close, people turn inward and pay less attention. The bar's name is "Chase's". The "'s" is out on the sign. The bar serves food, and though it is served soaked in several days' worth of grease, they have eaten worse, in worse conditions. They sit across from each other at a table whose surface is slightly sticky with old spilled beer. "A toast," Michael says. "To enemies." "To enemies," Baal repeats, raises his own glass, and downs it. This is not their first meeting, but it will be their last. The End is near, humans are now aware of Celestial presence, the time for the Last Battle approaches. Their duties, always hard, grow harder. Michael has it easier than Baal does, yet as Laurence is hard-pressed to personally manage the entirety of the vastness of the holy army, Angels and Soldiers of God alike, David and Michael have both bowed their heads and agreed to help. Laurence is still the Lord Commander, but he recognizes the need for help where he can take it. Baal commands the legions and armies of Hell himself, firm in his pride. In previous meetings, they have talked long, with increasingly drunken slurring, Michael rambling about Yves and Dominic and the factions and incompetance and the lack of unity. Baal listens and hmmms his agreement or disagreement, then speaks disgustedly of Andrealphus' vanity or Nybbas' ratings or Haagenti's stupidity, of the way the War is getting popularized. Michael would groan or laugh or shake his head at the portrayals. Neither would use this information against the other; that was their silent agreement. For a Seraph, Michael played dirty. For a Balseraph, Baal played clean. They do not talk like that this meeting, though; this meeting they drink and drink, ordering for each other when they think to. The humans sit and watch what they can hear of the TV, trying to make out how the War is going now that they are aware it exists; knowing enough vague information about the Demon Princes that they know they can't really trust the news: What if it is Nybbas' folk, passing on lies to break their morale? Some of the humans are Soldiers for one side or another. They do not recognize each other or the two Superiors sharing a room with them. They do not listen to the TV, knowing they can get better information elsewhere. And Michael and Baal drink. They know that soon they will have to return to their duties; soon they will meet one last time on the battlefield and only one will walk away. Soon. For now, they spend time with the only other who can understand. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:51:30 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> The Event Jeffery Watkins wrote: > I suppose I'm in the absolute minority when I state that I think Bright Lilim Choir Attunements shouldn't exist? Yeah, but you're not alone. Originally Bright Lilim Choir Attunements didn't exist, but some people were horribly worried that Bright Lilim might not be kewl enough if they didn't have their own attunements. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 01:37:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: IN> Jesus Christ - Vampire Hunter Don't ask too many questions... just go here and see. http://www.thestairwell.com/review-jcvh.htm I gotta find a copy of this. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! The human race has one really effective weapon, and that is laughter. -- Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 01:51:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> The Event On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, David Edelstein wrote: > Originally Bright Lilim Choir Attunements didn't exist, but some people > were horribly worried that Bright Lilim might not be kewl enough if they > didn't have their own attunements. Er, I don't see the logic of your statement there, David. Of course, it was probably more of an excuse for some gratuitous 'Bright Lilim Lovers' bashing than anything. Anyways, it seems to me... A) Every Choir has a specific Choir Attunement for each Superior B) Bright Lilim are an acknowledged Choir C) Thus, Bright Lilim have a specific Choir Attunement for each Superior (A + B -> C) Might as well write 'em down, no? (And for the record, I'm actually completely in David's camp when it comes to the whole "Lilim are way kewler than normal demons, and Lilith is actually the most special Demon Prince(ss) of all" meme... bah humbug, I say. Lilith becomes boring and worthless if you whitewash her, IMHO. But it doesn't mean Bright Lilim should get the shaft regarding attunements.) - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! Though they broke my legs / They gave me a crutch to walk / Laws to guide me / And a crutch to walk. / Amen. -- Chumbawamba, "Today's Sermon" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 03:23:38 -0500 From: "Brian Rogers" Subject: Re: IN> The Event I think there should be Bright Lilim Attunements precisely *because* they are so rare. If I were a Superior, and I were trying to court a newly Bright Lilim to join my team, I'd go out of my way to create a Choir Attunement for them. I mean, these girls are used to the quid pro quo lifestyle. It would be a lot easier to recruit them if they thought they could get something out of the deal. Not all Superiors might agree. Some of the more idealistic Superiors might not be able to get past the "they should serve Heaven for the sake of serving Heaven" mindset. Also, the Bright Lilim Attunements all seem to enhance the Lilim's Resonance in some way. Another reason to have them. If I only had one Bright working for me, I'd try to optimize her as much as I could. Brian Rogers - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffery Watkins" Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:20:37 +0800 To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: Re: IN> The Event > I suppose I'm in the absolute minority when I state that I think Bright Lilim Choir Attunements shouldn't exist? > > Possibly, the list is made up a varied community. I like the idea of them being 'redeemable' or saved is probably the better term since they were never angelic in the first place. > > Jeff - -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Get 4 DVDs for $.49 cents! plus shipping & processing. Click to join. http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/990-1736-3566-59 "Free price comparison tool gives you the best prices and cash back!" http://www.bestbuyfinder.com/download.htm ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2797 ********************************