in_nomine-digest Saturday, October 5 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2804 In this digest: IN> Barbie, Mercurian Angel of Entertainment IN> Redemption questions Re: IN> Redemption questions Re: IN> Redemption questions Re: IN> Redemption questions IN> Playing Bright Lilim (Re: The Event) Re: IN> Playing Bright Lilim (Re: The Event) Re: IN> Exactly!!! Re: IN> Playing Bright Lilim (Re: The Event) Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2798 IN> Genubath Fluff -- not that kind of fluffing! (Re: Espira) Re: IN> Mechanics of Redepmtion and Falling Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2798 Re: IN> Inspiration for Vapula IN> (On Gog, Laurence and the Hunt... IN> Superiors and their Undergarments Re: IN> Genubath Fluff -- not that kind of fluffing! (Re: Espira) Re: IN> Mechanics of Redepmtion and Falling Re: IN> Mechanics of Redepmtion and Falling Re: IN> Mechanics of Redepmtion and Falling Re: IN> Mechanics of Redepmtion and Falling Re: IN> Mechanics of Redepmtion and Falling Re: IN> Mechanics of Redepmtion and Falling Re: IN> Genubath Fluff -- not that kind of fluffing! (Re: Espira) Re: IN> (On Gog, Laurence and the Hunt... Re: IN> Mechanics of Redepmtion and Falling Re: IN> Mechanics of Redepmtion and Falling Re: IN> Mechanics of Redepmtion and Falling ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 09:31:37 -0700 From: edenesque@juno.com Subject: IN> Barbie, Mercurian Angel of Entertainment Thanks to Cameron for inspiring me with the idea of an Ethereal Barbie. :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----------------------- Barbie Mercurian of Children Vassal of Kids Angel of Entertainment Corporeal Forces: 3 Strength: 6 Agility: 6 Ethereal Forces: 5 Intelligence: 12 Precision: 8 Celestial Forces: 3 Will: 4 Perception: 8 Word Forces: 12 Attunements: Mercurian of Children, Mercurian of Stone, Elohite of Children, Malakite of Children, Cold Touch, Vassal of Kids, Angel of Entertainment*. Angel of Entertainment: In the presence of that which entertains a child, Barbie can use Songs without expending Essence. Songs: Attraction (Ethereal)/4, Charm (all)/5, Dreams (Corporeal, Celestial)/3, Location (Corporeal, Ethereal)/3, Light (Ethereal, Celestial)/4, Motion (Corporeal, Celestial)/3, Empathy (all)/5, Tongues (all)/4, Nimbus (all)/2, Harmony (Corporeal, Ethereal)/5, Nemesis (all)/3. Vessel: Barbie Doll/level 1 Charisma: 3 Vessel: Young woman/6 Charisma: 3 Status: 6 Role: Model, child charity advocate Name: Barbie Doll Appearance (Corporeal): In corporeal form, Barbie appears as a Caucausian woman in her late teens or very early twenties. She has flowing, curly blonde hair, deep blue eyes set in a pale-complexioned face, and a wide smile. She stands at 5'7" in her human form (1 foot in doll form), with a perfectly proportioned, curvaceous body. Typically, she dresses like any ordinary teenager, though she is known to don special clothes and accessories on occassion. Appearance (Celestial): As above, in her human form, except for the feathery white wings, golden halo, and angelic appearance. History: Barbie fledged as a Mercurian of Stone in 767 A.D. after much vacilitating. She was torn between becoming a Cherub and a Mercurian, but ultimately felt that she could best serve humanity as a Friend of Man. >From her early days, she found herself paired with an enthuasastic little Cherub named Christopher, who seemed bound and determined to help the children of the world. The two became fast friends, mostly because Barbie thought he was such a cute little Guardian. She enjoyed teasing Christopher, but she admired his dedication too. Barbie was not surprised when Christopher became the Angel of Children. She had suspected that he would go for that Word. But to go from Wordbound to Archangel is a difficult road, and Barbie was glad to help Christopher as one of his first servants. She helped to lay down some of the early groundwork for Children (i.e. recruiting other angels, helping the young, doing the legwork, etc.), and became one of Christopher's most valued Servitors as well as friends. In the early 1950's, Barbie had an idea. Nybbas, the Prince of the Media, was starting to grow in power as television came into its' own, and Christopher was beginning to worry about the negative effects the Media could have on the young. Seeing how things were getting marketed on the television, Barbie had an idea. She consulted with Christopher and with David, and got permission to take on a mortal form as a toy doll. It was her hope that the doll, if properly marketed, would unify a generation of children behind a good, Heavenly role model and keep them out of the corrupting clutches of the Media. David was a little dubious of the idea, but he went with it eventually. Thus, Barbie Dolls came to be one of the most popular and enduring symbols of American culture, and Barbie used her influence to steer many children in a better direction. As she put it, she was not only sticking it to that bastard Nybbas, she was also helping to promote the Heavenly protection of the young. It came as little surprise to many that when Christopher became the Archangel of Children in 1978, Barbie left Stone to join his service. Nor was it a surprise that Christopher automatically gave her his Vassal Distinction, seeing as they had know each other for so long. The surprise came in 1981, when Barbie asked the Seraphim Council for the Word of Entertainment, claiming that Nybbas was growing too powerful in the area of marketing to the young. With Christopher's support, she successfully argued that snatching Entertainment from under the Media's nose would undermine his power. The more militant Superiors were quick to see the tactical advantages and promptly made Barbie the Angel of Entertainment. Of course, Nybbas has fired back over the years, using his great resources to warp and alter the perception of what entertainment is. Still, Barbie valiantly struggles on, doing her best to weaken the grasp of the Media. Personality: A friendly but no-nonsense sort, Barbie is rather blunt for a Mercurian. Fashionable and sociable, Barbie always makes a good impression, but her tendency to shoot her mouth off first and ask questions later is considered a flaw by some. You always know exactly where you stand with her, and she doesn't care who you are when she speaks her mind. She is very informal and doesn't usually bother with all the scraping and bowing one might expect of a celestial to a Superior. She once called Dominic by his name with no honorifics and no attempt to acknowledge his title. Even her own Superior is treated casually. After all, as she'll gladly point out, she's known Christopher since he was just a little Cherub of Stone, so why would she possibly bother with all that formality nonsense with him? Around children, however, Barbie becomes a loving, doting big sister figure. She is not ashamed to show her affection for the young or to spend time playing with them or listening to their troubles. It's why she took up service to the Word of Children, and she'll be damned if she lets the likes of Hell corrupt even one of her charges without a fight. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 10:10:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Shih Subject: IN> Redemption questions A bit of context: after being fascinated by IN for two years, it look like I may finally have a game. So now I'm brainstorming for character ideas and questions start arising. In canon, Redemption is a difficult and dangerous process. Many celestials do not survive it. In fanfic, celestials who survive Redemption are often weakened (reduced in Forces) by the process. Is this canon? If so, does a celestial reduced below 9 forces become a reliever instead of a member of the appropriate Choir? And could such a reliever fledge into a different Choir than the opposite of its former Band? Jennifer __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:46:04 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Redemption questions On Saturday, October 5, 2002, at 01:10 PM, Jennifer Shih wrote: > A bit of context: after being fascinated by IN for two > years, it look like I may finally have a game. So now > I'm brainstorming for character ideas and questions > start arising. > > In canon, Redemption is a difficult and dangerous > process. Many celestials do not survive it. > > In fanfic, celestials who survive Redemption are often > weakened (reduced in Forces) by the process. Is this > canon? > Yes. Many times, Redeemed angels are significantly less powerful than the demons they once were, as corrupt Forces are burned away. > If so, does a celestial reduced below 9 forces become > a reliever instead of a member of the appropriate > Choir? > Typically, no. They would remain a much weakened angel of their choir. That being said, the Symphony is a strange place sometimes, so what the heck? > And could such a reliever fledge into a different > Choir than the opposite of its former Band? > If in fact the demon became a Reliever instead of an angel, for whatever reason, they would indeed be able to fledge into another Choir. Or so I would say. - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 04:31:29 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Redemption questions > If in fact the demon became a Reliever instead of an angel, for > whatever reason, they would indeed be able to fledge into another > Choir. Or so I would say. Which would mean that a Hellspawned demon of any Band, if he survived Redemption but lost so many forces he became a reliever, could in fact fledge as a Malakite? (It's my belief that a demon can't fledge as a Malakite any more than a Fallen angel could become an imp and then fledge as a Lilim, but that's what you seem to be saying. Does anyone know whether or not this is canon?) Janet Anderson - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:30:42 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Redemption questions At 10:10 AM -0700 10/5/02, Jennifer Shih wrote: >A bit of context: after being fascinated by IN for two >years, it look like I may finally have a game. Yahoo! >In canon, Redemption is a difficult and dangerous >process. Many celestials do not survive it. >In fanfic, celestials who survive Redemption are often >weakened (reduced in Forces) by the process. Is this >canon? Yes. The GM and player should decide how "intact" the ex-demon will be left by the procedure. (That's in the IPG.) >If so, does a celestial reduced below 9 forces become >a reliever instead of a member of the appropriate >Choir? Generally -- and for demons who were only 7-8 Forces to begin with -- the new angel will just be a small, damaged version of the appropriate Choir. HOWEVER, it is possible -- especially if the being really really hated its former nature -- that it will be a reliever. (This is suggested for something that was damaged all the way down to 1-4 Forces or so.) As a reliever, it will have a _strong_ disposition to fledge as the appropriate Choir for its ex-Band. >And could such a reliever fledge into a different >Choir than the opposite of its former Band? If it makes a strong effort to _really_ change its nature, or if its Superior desires, it could become a different Choir. (This is suggested mostly for a player character, where the player decides, "Er, yeah, I know that I was playing a Habbalite, but I just don't want to do an Elohite." Or doesn't get into Ofanite hyper, or whatever. After all, demonlings get force-fledged sometimes by Princes -- maybe the imp really wanted to be an Impudite, and not a Balseraph! When it gets a second chance, it might go for Mercurian instead...) (It is strongly suggested that this is relatively rare -- redemption isn't hypercommon in most campaigns, and "relievering" is a rare occasion during that. (Most demons who go this way were just theeeeees -> <- close to dissolving entirely.) And the number of ex-demon Malakim should be, like, only there to make a point about the campaign world's concepts of Brightness, free will, angst, or something actually thematic and not just Kewl.) (And even if you have one, it probably doesn't remember much about being a demon -- you go down to that few Forces, you get gaps in your memory...) - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:38:43 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Playing Bright Lilim (Re: The Event) At 3:45 PM -0600 10/4/02, ebertish@softhome.net wrote: >Okay, let me put a bit more teeth into my opinion: "If you want the fun of >playing a demon without having the demonic drawbacks, the price you pay is >no unique attunement. If you want the unique attunement, play a standard >choir like the rest of us." . o O (And then there are those of us who not only aren't trying to play a Kewl Unique Choir With Kewl Powers, but actively saddle the character with _years_ of Geases, a backstory that contains trauma (not Trauma, though), angst, and guilt, and a selfless love of just the _wrong_ Superior... Without a Choir or Band attunement to speak of, and a Song selection that makes most of them pretty useless...) . o O (I don't play Lilim for the fun... I play Lilim for the ANGST.) - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 16:46:34 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> Playing Bright Lilim (Re: The Event) >. o O (And then there are those of us who not only aren't trying to >play a Kewl Unique Choir With Kewl Powers, but actively saddle the >character with _years_ of Geases, a backstory that contains trauma (not >Trauma, though), angst, and guilt, and a selfless love of just the >_wrong_ Superior... Without a Choir or Band attunement to speak of, >and a Song selection that makes most of them pretty useless...) > >. o O (I don't play Lilim for the fun... I play Lilim for the ANGST.) ...I believe you just stated my opinion about playing Lilim - Bound, Free, *or* Bright - better than I ever could have. ^^ (Though of course my Lilim-backgrounds usually vary a bit from that description...) ~S.D. Ryukage ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 17:06:40 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Exactly!!! At 11:56 PM -0400 10/4/02, Whistling in the Dark wrote: [...] > The reasons for >Archangels to have Bright Lilim attunements would be to bid on their >services the way the Demons bid on Fallen Angels, Eh? Hrm. The way I have always seen Choir/Band Attunements is thus: It's the intersection of how the Word and Choir/Band interact _plus_ whatever tweaking of that intersection the Superior can manage. E.g., in the TOTALLY NON-CANON Superior Soap Opera, at one point a rather pathetic force-fledged Impudite of the War is tossed up a Shangri-La Tether to see if anyone shoots at him, basically. He begs for sanctuary there (since the general way of disposing of such "spies," after interrogation, is to dump them on the edge of Gabriel's Volcano (in the Marches) where young Gabrielites have taken to hanging out. What with one thing and another, he winds up begging to be allowed to cower on the lowest rung of the Lightning ladder, which leaves Jean wondering what the heck he might be able to do with an Impudite. Well, with a rather painful bit of work later, he gets one which sucks Essence out of electricity, rather like the Rite, only without the Rite's limitations. Now, this is not to say that canon permits or even encourages Archangels with demonic Servitors. That's beside the point. Do it with a Fallen Jean or something if you don't like that example. The point there was that the intersection was going to have _something_ to do with Impudite Charm And Drain Essence and Lightning (Electricity/Inspiration). Since Electricity is a form of Energy, and Essence is a form of Energy, then the intersection was probably going to work out to involve the draining bit. Now, it could have gone a different way -- perhaps a Lightning Impudite could have had a bonus to charm/drain technically inspired people (mmm, Vapulans?) or a bonus when in the presence of the average electronic device (see Belial's Takers), or something like that. However, considering Jean already has a Rite to plug people into walls, a "souped up" version of that would be more useful to him, and would also mean that they could keep a team of celestials charged up without any recourse to humans or demons. Just plug in the Impudite (teach him Songs of Healing, too), and have him feed Essence to everyone. (Alas, there is a drawback -- it causes disturbance equal to the Essence regained. If he taps into a power-line, he gets a lot of Essence, but it's kind of noisy...) Could he subsequently bind an Impudite to the Word in a way that let the Impudite have a bonus to Charm techie-minded people? (Mundane or Vapulan...) Sure. Of course, that would take more time and energy to do, and would have a chance of backfiring on his _own_ people, so it's not something he'd bother with. Meanwhile, Vapula sees Impudites, and thinks, "Energy storage. Battery! Cram in more energy! Make more effecient!" And so that's what he gets. (You don't want to know how many of them he exploded, or continues to explode now and then, trying to give them triple-capacity for Essence...) Can Jean duplicate this? Probably not. While he can tap into the same patterns for Lilim (his inspiration is channeled toward techie-types, just as Vapula has an affinity for that mindset, and thus both of them can infuse that heightened resonance for a category of person into the Lilim resonance, and give them a dose of Computer Programming for good measure), his Word isn't really the "store energy up for later" kind of thing. (Well, maybe he _could_ make exploding Impudites. But it's kind of hard to encourage them to explode at the right moment, you know?) (As a side-excursion, Archangels can't make Hearts for demons even in the SSO; it's sort of like slowly roasting them from the inside out. Very painful. Doesn't work. Not even with relatively "nice" demons. Scrap that idea. Patch up the volunteer.) >So long as the Archangel has an unrestricted Choir attunement of some >sort to give a Bright, that seems plenty to me. If, on the other hand, >you like having the Bright Attunements... well, run with them. Another reason that there are Bright attunements, and why they are all (going to be) Restricted, is a phrase from the main book -- that they're valuable. Now, frankly, the Need-Geas thing, while occasionally quite helpful, is frequently not much better than you could get with a Cherub of Judgment (track, track, track) and an Elohite. This is valuable... how? Give an Elohite the Songs of Attraction and Affinity, and presto, you've got an immitation Lilim. (We will not discuss some of the APG stuff, either, because it's going to be shot anyway.) So clearly they needed useful -- though hopefully not uber-useful -- attunements which members of other Choirs just couldn't quite duplicate trivially. Thus, the statement from the core rules would be justified. Which is all delving into motivations and meta-metaphysics and whatnot and if anyone likes it, great, and if you don't like it, don't use it, I'm just trying to explain the stuff and not take over your brains. If I wanted to take over your brains and make you Think Correctly, I'd be hacking into the Orbital Mind Control Lasers, not typing. - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 15:11:40 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Playing Bright Lilim (Re: The Event) > . o O (I don't play Lilim for the fun... I play Lilim for the ANGST.) > If I ever play a Lilim (probably not though...) that's what I would go for. Angst is good. Angst is fun :D And I still don't see why Bright Lilim shouldn't get an attunement. Heck, if Lilith has the potential to -give- "Servitors" of Freedom attunements, but chooses not to, then a Lilim getting a measly attunement shouldn't be a big deal. Even Grigori can have attunements. I mean, if redeemed Seraph's were rare, would you not let them have attunements? Then again, it's just another opnion. --- Sirea, Free Cherub, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 15:13:06 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2798 edenesque@juno.com writes: > > B) the apparent assumption that Malakim start out around 15 Forces > Really? Huh... I don't really see Malakim like that at all. I think their combat prowess simply comes from their suicidal tendenices (When it comes to demon-slaying) and their immunity to Trauma. --- Sirea, Free Cherub, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 17:17:25 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Genubath Fluff -- not that kind of fluffing! (Re: Espira) At 8:56 AM -0600 10/5/02, sirea@softhome.net wrote: >So... it goes like this then. You had an NPC, Djinn of Theft, named Genny. >You gave him the Word of Rapine. Nononononono, I didn't give him a Word. He didn't have a Word. He was actually just a little bit dissonant and had the Game on his tail, 'cause he'd gotten a little obsessive over some kid, and then a Cherub of the Wind came and stole the kid back, and there was a lot of motorcycle stuff. But SJ came to me and said, "So we've got the Prince of Rapine. He needs a name." So I hand him various names, and Genubath was one of them (and it had a nice definition that you'll have to look up in the biblenames file), and so he picked that one. So I had to rename the NPC. O:> Who is still a little bit dissonant Djinn of Theft. But, because of that Djinn of Theft Formerly Known As Genubath, I never quite remember what the Prince Genubath's Band is supposed to be. O:> - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 17:20:06 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Mechanics of Redepmtion and Falling At 10:14 AM -0600 10/5/02, sirea@softhome.net wrote: >Take Mercurians for instance. Choir dissonance is violence >against humans... yet, when they Fall from this, they still love humans, and >still can't hurt them. Actually, they can. They just can't _kill_ them. (They were the most human, and had the least far to Fall...) The various "divisions" of Fallen are keen, though. O:> - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 17:24:10 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2798 At 9:46 AM -0700 10/5/02, edenesque@juno.com wrote: >Come to think of it, Beth and I were working on a variant of one of her >Betharan stories featuring the Tattered Universe and a headstrong young >Malakite who was throughly outclassed by one lone Lilim. ^_^ Oh, Betharan isn't a good example. She _is_ more than 9 Forces. She's also psychotic, angsty, Discordant, frequently Azzie's personal chew toy, has a real Thing about being a yo-yo, has a real Thing about her Prince, and gets into emotional trouble on a regular basis... One of these days we need to finish up that story, though. O:> - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 15:14:31 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Inspiration for Vapula >> and the lion will eat straw like the ox. > > My new genetic engineering project. A "predator" species that thinks meat is > murder. Take THAT you tofu-eating, neo-ludite, whacko environmentalists. > Jeese, what's next? A Tofu Zombi Squad? --- Sirea, Free Cherub, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 17:16:28 -0400 From: Rolland Therrien Subject: IN> (On Gog, Laurence and the Hunt... I've been watching the "Gog" thread with some interest, but there's one thing I keep thinking about... When Gog rushed to escape from Heaven, did ant of the other Archangels try to stop him? Laurence, surely, must've made an attempt, and so fought with Gog for a time... ...So why isn't Laurence using his Hunt attunement to hunt Gog down and bring down the collective might of Heaven's War Faction down on him? The attunement does allow "unerring" tracking of any being it's holder has fought, however great the distance between them. That means that even a skulker's ability to hide disturbances (or sense them, if he's still a Grigori) would be useless. ...Once Laurence gets on the Hunt, you can run, but you can't Hide. ...And even if Gog somehow escaped from Heaven without facing Laurence in battle, you really think he's not going to spend every available second on Earth, turning every stone for a trace of Gog, and tracking down every remaining Grigori to hand-deliver the message: "If you see Gog, you better call me, or by God, you'll suffer the same fate he will." But that's just my 2 cents worth.. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 15:20:05 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: IN> Superiors and their Undergarments Reading a slightly older thread, I got bored and got around to thinking about what Superiors would wear for their undergarments... Novalis loves her bloomers Litheroy just has to wear see-through ones Uriel was always a fan of tighty-whities Blandine's wearing the chastity belt -Laurence- is wearing the chastity belt (just think of it o_o;) And Micahel... well, you didn't hear it from me, but word has it he likes to go commando Just an amusing exercise :D --- Sirea, Free Cherub, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 15:24:42 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Genubath Fluff -- not that kind of fluffing! (Re: Espira) > But, because of that Djinn of Theft Formerly Known As Genubath, I never > quite remember what the Prince Genubath's Band is supposed to be. O:> Ohhh! Okay. So we have a Djinn of Theft. Named Genny. Then SJ is all like "Prince of Rapine an stuff, needs a name, throw us a line!" and your all like "Soo... lesse. We got Herbert, Twinklefurt, Milford, and Genubath... Genny it is!" and then you have a Prince of Rapine named Genubath, and your old Djinn NPC got a new name or something, and now we have identity crisis about Genubath being a Djinn, Shedite, Calabite! Did I get it right this time? :D --- Sirea, Free Cherub, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 15:27:49 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Mechanics of Redepmtion and Falling > Actually, they can. They just can't _kill_ them. (They were the most > human, and had the least far to Fall...) > > The various "divisions" of Fallen are keen, though. O:> > Really? Huh. I read the book and it never mentions "violence is 'okay', but killing get you nailed". It just says violence against humans. Even in the GURPS version, it says violence against humans is wrong, but demons is okay. No mention of killing still. --- Sirea, Free Cherub, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 23:32:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Unni Solaas Subject: Re: IN> Mechanics of Redepmtion and Falling On Sat, 5 Oct 2002 sirea@softhome.net wrote: > Really? Huh. I read the book and it never mentions "violence is 'okay', but > killing get you nailed". It just says violence against humans. Even in the > GURPS version, it says violence against humans is wrong, but demons is okay. > No mention of killing still. :) The /impudites/ can be violent but can't kill. The mercs can't be violent either. - -- language, n; an intangible artificial construct for obscuring one's meanings and intentions to others. -ppint. Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 15:39:24 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Mechanics of Redepmtion and Falling >> Really? Huh. I read the book and it never mentions "violence is 'okay', but >> killing get you nailed". It just says violence against humans. Even in the >> GURPS version, it says violence against humans is wrong, but demons is okay. >> No mention of killing still. > > :) The /impudites/ can be violent but can't kill. The mercs can't be > violent either. *read... readreadread* Well darn, I'll be ;D I thought she was talking about the Mercurians... but then, that's what I was talking about orginally ^_^ shoudldn't murderous Mercs -not- change into beings that still can't hurt? --- Sirea, Free Cherub, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 14:37:42 -0700 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> Mechanics of Redepmtion and Falling sirea@softhome.net wrote: > > > Actually, they can. They just can't _kill_ them. (They were the most > > human, and had the least far to Fall...) > > > > The various "divisions" of Fallen are keen, though. O:> > > > > Really? Huh. I read the book and it never mentions "violence is 'okay', but > killing get you nailed". It just says violence against humans. Even in the > GURPS version, it says violence against humans is wrong, but demons is okay. > No mention of killing still. Mercurians can't be violent personally toward humans. Impudites can't kill or allow killing. Mercurians can sit on their hands and watch the Malakim kill, and Impudites can beat humans to a bloody pulp as long as they stop short of killing. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 17:52:27 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Mechanics of Redepmtion and Falling At 3:27 PM -0600 10/5/02, sirea@softhome.net wrote: >> Actually, they can. They just can't _kill_ them. (They were the most >> human, and had the least far to Fall...) > >Really? Huh. I read the book and it never mentions "violence is 'okay', but >killing get you nailed". [...] Er, for Impudites. Impudites can smack humans around, but not kill them. Mercurians can't smack humans around at all. - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 15:49:42 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Mechanics of Redepmtion and Falling >>Really? Huh. I read the book and it never mentions "violence is 'okay', but >>killing get you nailed". [...] > > Er, for Impudites. Impudites can smack humans around, but not kill them. > Mercurians can't smack humans around at all. My apologies ^_^;; I thought you were refering to Mercurians... which brings up another idea actually, of other potential Choirs a Band can Redeem to... but nah. Demons are broken angels, so I'd rather leave that alone. --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 14:54:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Shih Subject: Re: IN> Genubath Fluff -- not that kind of fluffing! (Re: Espira) - --- sirea@softhome.net wrote: > "Prince of Rapine an stuff, needs a name, throw us a > line!" and your all > like "Soo... lesse. We got Herbert, Twinklefurt, > Milford, and Genubath... I shudder at the thought of "Twinklefurt, Demon Prince of Rapine." Jennifer __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:25:01 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> (On Gog, Laurence and the Hunt... On Saturday, October 5, 2002, at 05:16 PM, Rolland Therrien wrote: > ...So why isn't Laurence using his Hunt attunement to hunt Gog down and > bring down the collective might of Heaven's War Faction down on him? > The > attunement does allow "unerring" tracking of any being it's holder has > fought, however great the distance between them. > > That means that even a skulker's ability to hide disturbances (or sense > them, if he's still a Grigori) would be useless. ...Once Laurence > gets on > the Hunt, you can run, but you can't Hide. > This is an excellent question, with many different possible answers. To help enlighten the process, we've asked two distinguished experts to contribute their theories as to how this happened: JEAN: Setting aside the potentiality of Superior-level impact on a Watcher or Stalker's resonance and, naturally, the capacity for a Superior to disrupt attunements and resonances applied to him in these situations as perhaps too simple an answer, one must address first simple capacity for said attunements to be applied. When Gog emerged from the Bower, he was engaged by angelic Forces to be found in the Groves, with a few Malakim, Cherubim and Ofanim of Flowers no doubt performing flanking actions. These were all forces near to hand in the field, as 'twere, coming from the Groves or Garden. Laurence, naturally, was in the Halls of Worship at the time, and the other Archangels such as myself were ensconced within our own Cathedrals. When we emerged to see what was happening, Gog, having already laid low the cream of the War Faction, was already slipping to the Corporeal Plane, not giving those Superiors with the tracking abilities of which you speak a chance to apply them. It is possibly worth wondering if, in absorbing so *many* of the Ethereal and Celestial Forces of Michael and Novalis, he did not also gain some access to their attunements, which would, through the agency of the Malakite of War and Ofanite of War attunements, respectively, allow him to know when Archangelic assault would take place and escape before such engagement could occur. Theoretically. Further, as far as, perhaps a Distincted Servitor of the Sword using Hunt or a powerful Cherub attuning Gog goes... one must also remember the tremendous risk involved in engaging an entity who seems to add any Forces destroyed by those he fights to his own, during the act of battle. It is unfortunately safe to say that no angel who directly engaged Gog in Celestial combat survived to use attunments. JANUS: Let me get this straight. Let me get this straight. You're asking how a newborn Angel, who already managed to screw with *two* attunements of Michael and Novalis's Superior-level Seraph of Peace attunement, managed to avoid 'Hunt?' Look, I hate what happened with all my might, and my forces are turning Earth upside down to find this bastard, but when you're slapped in the face with change, you need to recognize that the old ways don't always apply. That's the *point.* I gotta run. > ...And even if Gog somehow escaped from Heaven without facing Laurence > in > battle, you really think he's not going to spend every available > second on > Earth, turning every stone for a trace of Gog, and tracking down every > remaining Grigori to hand-deliver the message: "If you see Gog, you > better > call me, or by God, you'll suffer the same fate he will." > Well, no, I don't think that. I think it's safe to say a plurality of Heaven's forces are currently actively searching for Gog with exactly that in mind. We'll see a little bit of that in the next chapter. As for tracking down every remaining Grigori... it's sad. Laurence doesn't know where most of them are. They were *way* after his time. Really, there's only a few Superiors who made an active point of tracking the Grigori on Earth. Eli was one of them, but he's unavailable for these proceedings, sadly. Dominic likely has a few on surveillance, because that's the kind of Archangel Dominic is, but in being Outcast the ability to track such beings without assigning actual shadows to them is limited -- no Hearts to use to find them, after all. And it's also pre-judging the Grigori on Earth to assume that they'd have contact with Gog. No, the two Archangels who were available to Heaven and most likely to know where the Grigori on Earth were... were Michael, who pathologically tracks all potential resources for the War effort, and Novalis, who no doubt gave aid and succor to the Grigori where she could, that being the sort of Archangel she is. Or was, rather. And make no mistake, the Grigori have had *excellent* reason to stay in hiding. More than one Archangel looks the other way when a Watcher gets sent into Limbo for target practice -- David is the most infamous of that lot, apparently believing that any presence of a Grigori in a situation is that Grigori's attempt to contravene his sentence. And angels are forbidden to have any association with Grigori, as per the Main Book. That even as few as 50 or less have survived until now shows just how effective they *are* at being lost. - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 06:40:34 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Mechanics of Redepmtion and Falling >but after a while I decided to try my > hand at different Bands for angels to Fall to, based upon the reason -why- > they Fell, stemming from Choir and not Word dissonance.< Sirea, this was AWESOME!!!! Most of them have will now become part of the insanity of my game---if you don't mind of course--Some of them are perfect for some of the plots I have set up and others will be just great in flavor. *applauds throws essence* Thank you!!!! Jeff =) Part of my insanity manifest at JCT, where In Nomine meets science fiction in the far future http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jctrinityRPG - -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 17:01:15 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Mechanics of Redepmtion and Falling > Sirea, this was AWESOME!!!! Most of them have will now become part of the insanity of my game---if you don't mind of course--Some of them are perfect for some of the plots I have set up and others will be just great in flavor. > > *applauds throws essence* Thank you!!!! > Um... gee ^_^; glad you liked them so much. I didn't think they were that great o.o just a quick exercise in Fall/Redeem mechanics :) I'm glad you found some use for them though- I think I'll whip some mechanic for a few of them right now. Gotta keep them brain juices cooking ;D and please, feel free to use them. Heck, anything I post is up for grabs by any of you Janus/Valefor types ^_~ --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 08:42:24 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Mechanics of Redepmtion and Falling > Um... gee ^_^; glad you liked them so much. I didn't think they were that > great o.o just a quick exercise in Fall/Redeem mechanics :)< THAT'S a quick excercise?!? Wow. Love to see what you come up with when you fully commit yourself. >I'm glad you > found some use for them though- I think I'll whip some mechanic for a few of > them right now. Gotta keep them brain juices cooking ;D and please, feel > free to use them. Heck, anything I post is up for grabs by any of you > Janus/Valefor types ^_~ Thanks! We appreciate it! Oh, following the tradition of Casca with renaming away from the Djinn myths, I changed the Efreets to Ma`alalim, from the Hebrew word Ma`alal-practicer of a (usually bad) deed, in this case abuse. --still working on the Grigori alternates-- *hoping she doesn't mind* Thanks again for you 'quick exercise' and creativity. Jeff =) Part of my insanity manifest at JCT, where In Nomine meets science fiction in the far future http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jctrinityRPG - -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2804 ********************************