in_nomine-digest Tuesday, October 8 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2808 In this digest: Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? Re: IN> Superiors and their Undergarments IN> An appropriate punishment? Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? RE: IN> One Last Bright Lilim Resonance Attunement Thingie IN> In the comic strips... Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2795 Re: IN> In the comic strips... Re: IN> In the comic strips... IN> New Discord- Onotomopetia Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? Re: IN> Digitates -- The Patterns, New Choir Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? IN> Is this an overenthusiastic Cherub or what? Re: IN> New Discord- Onotomopetia Re: IN> Tofu Zombis (Crossposted to .innomine) Re: IN> Tofu Zombis (Crossposted to .innomine) Re: IN> New Discord- Onotomopetia Re: IN> Is this an overenthusiastic Cherub or what? Re: IN> Those Pesky Malakim Re: IN> Is this an overenthusiastic Cherub or what? Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? RE: IN> Is this an overenthusiastic Cherub or what? IN> Inflicting Geases (Re: One Last Bright Lilim Resonance Attunement Thingie) Re: IN> Those Pesky Malakim IN> INverse Superior- Michael, Demon King of War ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 05:49:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? - --- Eric Bertish wrote: > Given the excruciating amount of > research and preparation > that went into this, why didn't someone think to perform > Celestial Shields first? Because if the PC's don't screw up, the game is a lot shorter. };> =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:56:12 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> An appropriate punishment? I think there are a few points that I did not state clearly enough: 1) The Nuclear Energy Commission (NEC) is a FEDERAL agency. The players have _literaly_ made a federal case out of this. Sic 'em up with the FBI, NSA, the Military, any and all foreign spy agencies... and some guy named "Remo." 2) A slagged reactor doesn't just disappear. The Chernobyl reactor is still there, and the Russians are having trouble containing it. Nuclear clean up costs billions in dollars and probably a few lives as well. 3) Vapula represents "Bad Science" and a slagged reactor is definitely science gone bad. Even if the site if physically torn up and hauled away the memory of what happened will linger. The place is likely to become a shrine to the "No Nukes" crowd. Vapula still has his tether. After all, the Atomic Dome is still a tether and the war has been over for over half a century. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:15:59 -0500 From: Joe Reimers Subject: Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? Because nobody KNOWS Celestial Shields ^_^ Heck, even the Song of Thunder woulda helped. But I'm not sure they realized just how MUCH of a disturbance comes from destroying things; we've never dealt with that before. They know killing people causes disturbance, but property damage, I'm not sure. I probably should have been more clear on that. (I SHOULD have been more clear on that... but I wasn't.... heh heh heh) At 09:25 PM 10/7/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I really don't have anything instructive to add to this thread. I just want >to know one thing: Given the excruciating amount of research and preparation >that went into this, why didn't someone think to perform Celestial Shields >first? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:16:58 -0500 From: Joe Reimers Subject: Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? Actually, it was the Malakite and the Cherub who came up with the idea, believe it or not. At 09:40 PM 10/7/2002 -0400, you wrote: >At 09:25 PM 10/7/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >>I really don't have anything instructive to add to this thread. I just want >>to know one thing: Given the excruciating amount of research and preparation >>that went into this, why didn't someone think to perform Celestial Shields >>first? > >I presume it was the Ofanite. > >Corporeal Shields is *neat* to an Ofanite. *He's* a giant spinny thing >that *moves*; it's a giant spinny things that *stops things from >moving*. The inherent anti-types would be just fascinating. > >Next to that, Celestial Shields is just some smoke or leaves. > >;) > >-EDG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:24:42 -0500 From: Joe Reimers Subject: Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? Actually, I was wrong... they actually RPed out getting faculty positions. >Second, if they don't have Roles as faculty, how on earth did they >manage to impersonate faculty well enough for anyone to let them in? >"I'm Professor So-and-so. I'm new in the Nuclear Engineering faculty. >These are my friends, who are all also new professors that you've never >heard of." I damn sure wouldn't have let a Fast-Talk roll suffice for >that, and there were probably physical security measures that needed to >be handled -- coded locks, badge-swipes, biometric locks, that sort of >thing. No, actually, they managed to get in legally, believe it or not. It wasn't a lame-ass undergrad pulling an overnight on security, it was a lab assistant there to provide support. >Third, if the security of the Tokamak really depended on one lame-ass >undergrad pulling an overnight, or even some poor rentacop security >guard, his career is screwed, as is the career of the entire Nuclear >Engineering faculty, lots of the University administration, and anyone >involved with Campus Security. >My recommendation, though, would be to go to my players and say, "You >know, I blew this. I didn't put nearly as many obstacles in your way as >I should have, and there are more negative consequences to this solution >than any of us expected. Let's rewind the tape, and start this >adventure over. We'll call it a learning experience, and how about you >guys try to be a *little* more subtle, huh?" I'm not starting the adventure over, heck, it was only a side plot. The *real* obstacles are yet to come. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:29:36 -0400 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: IN> One Last Bright Lilim Resonance Attunement Thingie Casca wrote: "I seem to recall this was canonically Shot Down (by whom, and where, I don't recall), as Lilith is the only Superior able to inflict geasa." On the other hand, I seem to recall that "Geas" was one of the standard Discords on a list of Discords that Superiors tend to inflict as punishment. Of course, my copy of the main book is 40 miles away... Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:50:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Unni Solaas Subject: IN> In the comic strips... Well I guess the mystery is solved... http://www.roseisrose.com/comics/roseisrose/archive/roseisrose-20021005.html A couple of months ago he showed his true form, that of a Blackwing. What's going on??? What haven't SJGames been telling us? Is the Game really behind this and why don't we get any comments from the Seraphim Council? - -- language, n; an intangible artificial construct for obscuring one's meanings and intentions to others. -ppint. Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: 08 Oct 2002 09:51:26 -0400 From: Robb Kidd Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2795 On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 19:12, Eric Bertish wrote: > So while I don't run a gray world, the tone is very heavy. Lots of end-times > stuff. No, not gray. Brightness and Contrast are high. [ponder] I think Eric might have hacked a Gravity knob onto the set. He adjusts it from week to week, but it tends to be turned up -- we all seem to have burdens. (Pardon the lagged response. My mail server was down during a move and I'm just catching up.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:11:29 +0000 From: glasgowc1@attbi.com Subject: Re: IN> In the comic strips... Actually, no -- "Michael the Archangel" was the answer given to a question asked in class, 'Who made the first solo flight across the Atlantic?' It wasn't the *angel's* name. Besides, he acts /way/ more like Laurence. *eg* - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:36:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Unni Solaas Subject: Re: IN> In the comic strips... On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 glasgowc1@attbi.com wrote: > Actually, no -- "Michael the Archangel" was the answer > given to a question asked in class, 'Who made the first > solo flight across the Atlantic?' It wasn't the > *angel's* name. > Aahhhh... Thank you Chuck! :) I was beginnig to worry. This'll teach me a lesson about working and reading comics at the same time! > Besides, he acts /way/ more like Laurence. *eg* That fits with the fact that he's a Blackwing. But he also claims to have created Amazonas and it's nead and deadly inhabitants. Which brings up the rather disturbing image of a Blackwing Jordi... And that kinda kills my brain, so I'll shut up now. :) - -- language, n; an intangible artificial construct for obscuring one's meanings and intentions to others. -ppint. Unni Solaas ...just one even more disturbing thought: Blackwing Eli. Sorry. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:42:19 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: IN> New Discord- Onotomopetia Onotomopetia (Corporeal) This Discord is commonly given out by Kobal when he's in one of his more scathing moods, or really wants one of his demons to suffer. It causes the demons actions to be "onotomopetized". His actions typical sounds will be replaced by a loud and annoying voice announcing the action, with more and more of his actions being onotomopetized as the Discord gets higher. For instance, if the demon coughed, intead of the usual noise, a voice would intead loudly say "COUGH!" for everytime he coughed. This Discord causes a -2/level reaction. Level/1 Maybe an occasional action will be voiced- such as sniffing, sighing, or hitting something. Level/2 Most normal actions will be voiced, and more important actions, such as attacking (Attack! Hit! Cut! Splorch!), walking (Step step step turn hop step step), or expressions (Frown... smile! Confused?) will be occasionally voiced. Level/3 Now the demon is noticable. All normal actions will be voiced, as will be most important actions. Level/4 The Discord becomes externalized. If the demon is driving for instance, the voice will be constatly saying "Drive, drive drive, turn, stop, drive, speed, whoosh! CRASH!" and so on. Being stealthy is now impossible (guards will wonder why they keep hearing a voice say "Sneak, sneak, sneak, plot, plot, sneak, shink! Stab!") Level/5 At this level, the demon loses the power to speak. Everything he says will simply be onotomopetized. (Talk! Talk talk... YELL! Whiiiiine!!!) Level/6 EVERYTHING the demon does, down to the last possible detail, will be voiced, making being around the demon very funny. And then annoying. And then dangerous. Communiucation is impossible. --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:46:06 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? At 17:40 -0400 10/7/02, BC Petery wrote: >The meltdown of a reactor will produce a spectacular amount of energy. The >Corporeal song of Shields will not allow this energy to dissipate. When the >Shield falls all that energy is going to come out with a very big bang. Uh, wasn't this a Tokamak? Then it isn't a fission reactor, where there's a lot of radioactive fuel putting out energy all the time. The problem with fusion reactors is to get them to put out *any* useful energy. Yeah, hydrogen's explosive, but there's not a lot of it in the typical research reactor (nor would there be in a real fusion power plant -- it only takes a few grams of hydrogen to get a decent amount of energy out from fusion, *if* you can get it to fuse at all). If I recall right, most of the energy in those fusion test reactors isn't in the few grams of high-temp plasma inside, but in the huge superconducting magnets that hold the plasma in the correct shape. Yeah, it's going to be spectacular (lots of arcing as the coils stop superconducting and this great big magnetic field collapses), but there's not a *huge* amount of energy there -- probably about as much as a good-sized building fire. It just gets output in a *much* shorter time, and mostly as electrical arcs grounding out to the floor, or whatever conductive material is in the vicinity. Lots of molten metal splattering around. I seem to recall hearing that the MIT fusion reactor has a great big set of busbars leading to a set of big water-cooled resistors to dump the containment field energy if the coils break down. This suggests that the results will probably be roughly equivalent to someone pouring a few dozen gallons of gasoline in the room and setting fire to it. I'd expect it might set a nice secondary fire in the building when the shield goes down, but probably not much more than that. The main complication is that the interior of a fusion reactor vessel gets mildly radioactive after a while, so if the reactor vessel slagged down when the magnets around it melted, there's probably a few tons of nice low-level radioactive waste left there. It's going to take a while for a hazmat team to clean *that* up. (It wouldn't be much danger to anyone outside the building, though.) Now, if this particular reactor was one of those with a liquid lithium neutron-trapping blanket on the inside of the vessel, the lithium metal getting loose could be pretty messy.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:55:33 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? At 08:56 -0400 10/8/02, BC Petery wrote: >2) A slagged reactor doesn't just disappear. The Chernobyl reactor is still >there, and the Russians are having trouble containing it. Nuclear clean up >costs billions in dollars and probably a few lives as well. Different kind of reactor. No nuclear fuel hanging around like in a fission reactor gone out of control -- Chernobyl is a case where the problem was *stopping* the reaction, compounded, if I recall right, by the graphite moderator catching fire. When a fusion reactor gets broken, the reaction stops *cold*. There's nothing much to clean up except a lot of mildly radioactive steel from the reactor vessel. (The fusion reactions spit out hot neutrons, which mostly stick to the next thing they hit, often making it into a radioisotope of some sort.) Most of the damage will come from the collapse of the very impressive magnetic field that contains the reaction, which is going to manifest primarily as electrical energy arcing to the nearest ground. Pretty much like being at ground zero of a lightning strike. It's still going to cost some significant money to clean up, but it's more likely to be in the small number of millions of dollars, at most. The loss of the equipment will probably be the largest cost here, I suspect. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 11:49:41 -0500 From: Joe Reimers Subject: Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? As I may have mentioned before, these guys did their homework OOC. They *knew* it was a fusion reactor, they *knew* radiation wasn't going to be a problem like a fission reactor, and they made sure that as soon as the thing overheated and started melting that they re-opened the coolant flow to make sure it wouldn't burn through the floor when all was said and done. Maybe I didn't make it real clear before, but these guys planned this thing out pretty well. They planned their work and worked their plan, securing proper authorizations, taking precautions to protect the building and the people in the building and making sure the smallest possible number of humans knew about it. They really only made 2 mistakes: they made a huge disturbance (and in retrospect, because they had secured valid Roles, that might have been my boo-boo: should there even have been a disturbance?) and they can be placed at the scene of the meltdown. The more I think about this, the more I think I'm the one who screwed up, not them (except the single witness. No excuse for that one.) This went from a "get in, blow it up and get out" job to an "infiltrate quickly, secure the area and take it out without doing any more damage than absolutely necessary" job. Gaping plot holes aside, should I have charged them with that much Disturbance if they had Roles as researchers there? >When a fusion reactor gets broken, the reaction stops *cold*. There's >nothing much to clean up except a lot of mildly radioactive steel from the >reactor vessel. (The fusion reactions spit out hot neutrons, which >mostly stick to the next thing they hit, often making it into a radioisotope >of some sort.) Most of the damage will come from the collapse of the very >impressive magnetic field that contains the reaction, which is going to >manifest primarily as electrical energy arcing to the nearest ground. >Pretty much like being at ground zero of a lightning strike. > >It's still going to cost some significant money to clean up, but it's >more likely to be in the small number of millions of dollars, at most. >The loss of the equipment will probably be the largest cost here, I suspect. > > >---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:37:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Digitates -- The Patterns, New Choir Interesting. They seem more like minor Celestial spirits (in the same class as Relievers) than a minor Choir to me. Or maybe they're what happens when a whole bunch of Relievers of Lightning fledge into the same Kyriotate. :> =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:48:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? - --- Walter Milliken wrote: > The problem > with fusion reactors is to get them to put out *any* > useful energy. "Useful energy" is the operative term here. There's plenty of energy in a fusion reactor, even the primitive ones that we have now. > it only takes > a few grams of hydrogen to get a decent amount of energy > out from fusion, > *if* you can get it to fuse at all). They can. They just haven't succeeded in getting a self-sustaining reaction yet. > If I recall right, most of the energy in those fusion > test reactors > isn't in the few grams of high-temp plasma inside, but in > the huge > superconducting magnets that hold the plasma in the > correct shape. That's about right. The hurdle that everyone in the field is trying to clear is called the "break-even point," which is the point at which the energy coming out of the reactor is at least equal to the energy going in. Nobody's even close to doing it yet. > there's not a *huge* amount of energy there Oh, yes there is. It's mainly in the form of electricity - -- and once the coils have electrical resistance again as the cooling system that makes them superconducting shuts down, a lot of it will turn to heat. CorpShields could contain the sudden explosion, but there'd be residual heat for hours afterward. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:51:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? - --- Joe Reimers wrote: > because they had secured valid Roles, that > might have been my boo-boo: should there even have been a > disturbance? Heck, yeah. Roles don't eliminate Disturbance, they reduce it. Which means that a solid enough Role can eliminate a small Disturbance, but that much property damage would be way too loud for a Role to cover it. Even if you reduced the Disturbance by the PC's combined Roles, every Celestial in Austin still would've heard it. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:07:58 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? At 10:48 AM 10/8/2002 -0700, Michael Walton wrote: > Oh, yes there is. It's mainly in the form of electricity >-- and once the coils have electrical resistance again as >the cooling system that makes them superconducting shuts >down, a lot of it will turn to heat. CorpShields could >contain the sudden explosion, but there'd be residual heat >for hours afterward. I hate to say it, but I think you're arguing the same side of the argument here. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 02:03:32 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Is this an overenthusiastic Cherub or what? I saw the following: http://news1.iwon.com/odd/article/id/200095|oddlyenough|10-08-2002::09:09|reuters.html and thought about earlier threads re: lions lying down with lambs. It's definitely a Cherub, but what is her Word? Creation IST Animals? Protection? Flowers? Janet Anderson - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 02:05:56 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> New Discord- Onotomopetia *picks self off floor* If I can think of a way to put this into my campaign, consider it stolen. Janet Anderson - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:14 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Tofu Zombis (Crossposted to .innomine) In article <20021008023605.52510.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com>, moelane_1999@yahoo.com (Maurice Lane) wrote: > This is somebody else's fault; remember, I didn't > think of it first, I didn't think of it first, I > didn't think of it first... Moe, you are aware that there are millions of these things aren't you? Staffing just about every customer service phone line in the world, never mind webmastering, working on reception desks, in low-budget holiday centres, and many other such places? It's Saminga's plan for keeping the world running once everyone is dead. Even Haagenti won't eat them... - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 12:27:34 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Tofu Zombis (Crossposted to .innomine) *on hand and knees in the pouring rain, looking at the sky* What have I done... what have I DONE?! *weeps* ... Nice work Moe :D --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity, girl with a big mouth :D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 12:39:29 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> New Discord- Onotomopetia Janet Anderson writes: > *picks self off floor* > > > If I can think of a way to put this into my campaign, consider it stolen. > > Janet Anderson Talk talk, talk talk talk, laugh! Smile, nod, talk talk. Wink. Pause... Yawn. Laugh! :D --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 12:41:09 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Is this an overenthusiastic Cherub or what? > It's definitely a Cherub, but what is her Word? Creation IST Animals? Protection? Flowers? Wow... that's so sweet. I feel gooey and happy ^_^ maybe it's a punishment? Cherub who got a little too violent with protecting their attuned has to work under Jordi for a while in a complete predator-prey contradiction? --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:39:20 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Those Pesky Malakim >I remember reading (somewhere) that when you are Vessel-killed, your >Forces are blasted apart, and coalesce by your Heart after about an hour. Nope: in fact, G:IN specifically says it takes just "a few seconds", and I have no reason to believe that this is any change from the original. William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 03:40:37 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Is this an overenthusiastic Cherub or what? >maybe it's a punishment? > Cherub who got a little too violent with protecting their attuned has to > work under Jordi for a while in a complete predator-prey contradiction? Hm. The Cherub of Stone I currently play thinks there is no such thing as "too violent" when protecting his attuned. More generally, I would say that only Flowers and maybe Judgement (if the violence was considered unjust or too severe a punishment) would put too many limitations on what a Cherub was allowed to do. Although there's also the Disturbance angle if the attacker was human. Janet Anderson - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:15:24 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> An appropriate punishment? At 5:03 PM -0500 10/7/02, Joe Reimers wrote: >The group in question: >An Ofanite of Lightning, a Cherub of Creation, a Malakite of Judgement >(who, in his defense, was told to cooperate in the plot to remove the >offending reactor) "There's cooperation, and there's failing to use your Ethereal Forces, Servitor..." Though, if you didn't make it clear enough how noisy it would be, you should probably cut back on the pithy comments. >In short, there is only one human witness, and he wasn't there >when they did the deed. Maybe they could arrange for it to seem that they were kidnapped and someone else did it? *innocent look* >Also, the Lilim is the only one with a Role, and she was incognito, so her >Role shouldn't be compromised. Much. Much. O:> >I have decided to have Jean make a mental note never again to leave a >sensitive task like that to an Ofanite with Malakite assistance. *laugh* He still might comment upon the... impulsiveness of the affair. They don't learn if you don't tell them, after all... >Thus, I'm inclined to let them get arrested and deal with it in the Earthly >realm and maybe have Dominic show up at some point in there for his weekly >checkup. With a pokerface so perfect, that somewhere, ONE of his instantiations is laughing and crying at the same time and pounding its head against a wall... O;> - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:44:31 -0400 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: IN> Is this an overenthusiastic Cherub or what? Janet Anderson wrote: "Hm. The Cherub of Stone I currently play thinks there is no such thing as "too violent" when protecting his attuned." Out of pure nosiness, what animal is the basis for your cherub's celestial form? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:17:18 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Inflicting Geases (Re: One Last Bright Lilim Resonance Attunement Thingie) At 9:26 PM -0400 10/7/02, Eric Bertish wrote: >> "Well, of course they'd have Bright Lilim Attunements. As soon as they >> got a Bright Lilim, they'd want access to the Lilim resonance, like all >> the other choir resonances they've made attunements for." > >I seem to recall this was canonically Shot Down (by whom, and where, I don't >recall), as Lilith is the only Superior able to inflict geasa. Eh? Indeed, it's the opposite -- any Superior can inflict a Geas, for Geases are Discord, and Superiors can inflict Discord. However, IIRC the GMG, the Servitor in question must either agree, or be in the direct power of the Superior in question (having access to the Servitor's Heart counts). - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:20:29 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Those Pesky Malakim At 5:51 PM -0500 10/6/02, Brian Rogers wrote: >I remember reading (somewhere) that when you are Vessel-killed, your Forces are >blasted apart, and coalesce by your Heart after about an hour. Unless you're a Malakite, IIRC. (At the least, the paragraph is vague on which aspects of the description apply to Malakim; the Trauma part definitely doesn't, and the rest might not either. It makes Malakim more deserving of their Scare Factor if they can come back right away, like a plague of roaches...) - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:48:05 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: IN> INverse Superior- Michael, Demon King of War He is the Firstborn, the Fallen One, King of Hell, Leader of the Horde, and he is going to murder God and his precious angels, and remake the world in his image. Michael let his Pride as Firstborn get in the way of his humility to God in the beggining, and after he saw the Eden Experiment, he slayed the Metatron, Fell, and took half of the Heavenly Host with him into Hell. But the Dark One rose from his black grave, and using the power of God within him, Michael created his Infernal Cathedral, the Grand Palace, and made those who followed him into the Pit his Princes to rule over Hell. Unlike the Lucifer of many other universes, Michael is not a soft handed ruler. He has made the Horde into an organized killing machine, and he seeks only to grow powerful enough to slay God, lay waste to His precious creation, and then become the new ruler of the Symphony to rebuild it as he sees fit. As the self-titled Demon King of Hell, Michael has a unique and special Word. It is conflict that brings ruin, pride that consumes all other things, and the darkness of the world, it is a terrible concept in the celestial language. Thus War-Hurbis-Darkness. He is commonly called the Firstborn, or the Demon King of War, an he expects nothing but perfection from the demons who serve him. His Cathedral is the Grand Palace, or the Palace of Darkness, that sits in the dead center of Hell, where he Fell to long ago when defeated by the Host. His demons go out to spread his Word and power, brining more glory to Hell and destroying as much of Heaven as possible. Michael, Balseraph Demon King of War-Hubris-Darkness "As the Firstborn of God, the world, and the Symphony is rightfully MINE." *Dissonance* Servitors of War must obey the Word of Michael, in order of descending importance, or incur dissonance. If #1 needs to be defended, then ignoring #2,#3, or #4 will not incur dissonance, and so on, in descending order. No one said it was easy to serve the Fallen One. -The Word of Michael- 1. Thou shall not betray thine Infernal kin. 2. Thou shall not retreat from any conflict unless ordered. 3. Thou shall not let thine Pride be soiled by a lesser being. 4. Thou shall not reveal thine true nature or Superior if possible. This boils down to: Don't betray Hell, so no backstabbing. Don't retreat from any fight you're in unless told to do so by a superior, you either win or go down. Don't let your personal pride be insulted by a lesser being (mortal or less Forces than you), and lastly don't let anyone know you're a demon or Servitor of War if it's possible to keep it hidden. *Band Attunements* Balseraphim: When starting play, these Liars get one free level in one of the three areas (Corporeal, Ethereal, and Celestial) of the following three Songs: War, Self, and Darkness. Djinn: Undying warriors who rise from the darkness, the Djinn of War possess a unique facet to their resonance. When the Djinn attunes to someone, he may focus all of his Celestial Forces upon that one person, being unable to attune to anything else, creating a unique link that makes the Djinn a deadly nemesis. He may now hunt the attuned, and if he manages to engage him in combat, he will not suffer dissonance from hurting his attuned or letting him come to harm. Calabim: If a Calabite of War is fighting an angel in combat, he may use his resonance to destroy the resonance of his angelic opponent. If the angel uses his resonance when fighting the Calabite, or an attunement that is dependant upon it, the Calabite may use his own resonance immediately to counter it. If successful, then the check digit of the Calabite's roll can be subtracted from the check digit of the angel's roll. For instance, an Ofanite is trying to use his resonance to Dodge better. He succeeds, getting a check digit of 4. The Calabite uses his resonance immediately, also succeeding, getting a 3. The effective check digit of the Ofanite is now only 1! Habbalah: A Habbalite of Michael may use his resonance to drive someone to fight, be it a verbal, intellectual or (most often) physical conflict. If there is any chance that his target will fight during a conflict, the Habbalite may roll against his resonance. If he succeeds, then the target will be driven to a full "battle frenzy" and go to fight, giving no quarter and accepting none. Honorium: These demons can hear the sound of danger sweeping through their personal symphony. Up to a minute in advance, these Warriors will know if they are about to enter a conflict or have their lives endangered by a direct assault. Dark Lilim: Saviors of the battlefield, the Dark Lilim who serve Michael can sense any physical combat happening within their Corporeal Forces in miles where one or more parties are in need of a "winning edge". The Dark Lilim may then rush to the battle, where she will recognize the losing party on sight. She can then jump into the battle herself, and try to bring victory to the losing side! When the battle ends, she can slap the winners for a little favor... Shedim: Michael's Fleshless can possess anyone who is in physical combat. Because of these Shedim, there has been many tales of some warriors becoming "possessed by the berserker spirit", suddenly striking with deadly accuracy and strength. Impudite: The flames of conflict burn everywhere, and these Takers know what it takes to fan them. An Impudite of War will know what, if anything, will ignite a conflict between any two people they have met. Skulker: Acting as Michael's stealthy shadow-warriors, these Fallen Grigori cause no disturbance when they are in an armed conflict. Note that killing a human will still cause disturbance. *Servitor Attunements* Mastery: Same as the canonical Proficiency attunement. War Cry: Same as the canonical Howl attunement. Deathblow: The demon may focus his infernal symphony through his body or weapon, and deliver an unsteady but powerful blow, straight to his opponent's soul. Once per round, the demon may cut his effective skill in half for the weapon he is attacking with, but if he hits, he will do Soul hits. This cannot do damage to remove a Force however, and it cannot be used in conjunction with the Mastery attunement. Dark Wave: Drawing upon the darkness within Michael's Word, the demon may now create a wave of night around him. The demon can create a cloud of darkness equal to 3 times the Essence spent in yards, which impedes the view of any inside of it. As a side effect of this attunement, the demon can also now see in darkness, natural or otherwise. (More attunements pending when I manage to get Superiors 1, or if someone will tell me the general idea of what his expanded attunements are) *Distinctions* Knight of Darkness: Manipulating the light that Michael hates so, the demon can now strike with the power of the night. When fighting, the demon may subtract his Corporeal Forces from his opponents Dodge skill. Captain of the Soul: Tapping into the vast power of Michael's symphony, the demon is now immune to any and all angelic resonances. Baron of the War: The Barons of the Firstborn can now perceive the flow of battle like no other fighter, and become effectively immune to attacks from lesser beings. When fighting anyone who has less Forces than the Baron, they will automatically Dodge any and all melee or ranged attacks that come their way, be they corporeal, ethereal or celestial in nature. *Other Distinctions* Michael has many higher distinctions which he gives on an individual basis like medals to his demons, but none of them are commonly given out. *Relations* Allied: Kronos (Fate) Associated: Laurence (the Blade), Uriel (Perfection), Jordi (Genocide), Gabriel (Wrath) Neutral: Everyone else Hostile: Novalis (Twilight) Enemy: No one *Rites* -Bring greater glory to Michael -Spend 3 hours in armed practice -Get into a duel with a celestial, and win -Kill a Servitor of Light (+2 vessel-death, +4 soul-death) *Chance of Invocation* 1 Michael is the Demon King, ruler of Hell and leader in the War, so obviously he doesn't let himself be easily summoned. Most of his Servitors fear him too much anyway, but he always tells them with a wink and a cold smile that if they really need him to kick some sorry angelic ass, he'll gladly come on the scene to make an example of his unlimited power. *Invocation Modifier* +1- A bloody knife +2- A war cry during battle +3- A combat-tested battle axe +4- 5 or more Servitors of Light, Valor, or Destiny +5- One of Michael's old battle axes +6- A war against the forces of Heaven (Well, there he is, the Big Bad Guy in the INverse universe. Now note that he is supposed to be pretty powerful, and his Servitors are held to strict standards. It's the equivalent of working for Lucifer in canon, except that Michael isn't in it for the politics. He WANTS to kill God and the Host, and he will exercise his power as Firstborn by taking Servitors. Please comment and nitpick and such as you see fit, Michael is important for my world.) One last thing of curious note... no matter how many times he may resonate himself and others, the name Michael does not mean "He who is like God". In Ancient Angelic, it's actually a question with an answer. It says "Who is like God?" and the answer? "Nobody" --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2808 ********************************