in_nomine-digest Monday, October 14 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2819 In this digest: Re: IN> And the last shall be first... Re: IN> [DAWN] And With Daylight Comes Illumination RE: IN> [DAWN] And With Daylight Comes Illumination IN> New Discord Angelic Scorecard (Re: IN> And the last shall be first...) Re: IN> [DAWN] And With Daylight Comes Illumination RE: Angelic Scorecard (Re: IN> And the last shall be first...) Re: IN> [DAWN] And With Daylight Comes Illumination Re: IN> And the last shall be first... Re: Angelic Scorecard (Re: IN> And the last shall be first...) Re: IN> [DAWN] And With Daylight Comes Illumination RE: IN> [DAWN] And With Daylight Comes Illumination Re: IN> [DAWN] And With Daylight Comes Illumination Re: IN> New Discord Re: IN> [DAWN] And With Daylight Comes Illumination Re: Angelic Scorecard (Re: IN> And the last shall be first...) Re: Angelic Scorecard (Re: IN> And the last shall be first...) Re: Angelic Scorecard (Re: IN> And the last shall be first...) IN> Phillipi, Former Mercurian of Fire Re: IN> And the last shall be first... Re: IN> Phillipi, Former Mercurian of Fire Re: IN> And the last shall be first... Re: IN> New Discord Re: IN> And the last shall be first... Re: IN> And the last shall be first... Re: IN> And the last shall be first... Re: IN> New Discord IN> IN1's Behind the Symphony. Re: IN> [DAWN] And With Daylight Comes Illumination ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 05:29:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> And the last shall be first... This sounds to me like a good lead-in for getting the Grigori back into Heaven (if that's a direction that you want to take your campaign in). Somebody (God? The Grigori AA's?) has arranged this to give Dominic a taste of what it's like to be a Watcher. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 05:35:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> [DAWN] And With Daylight Comes Illumination - --- Whistling in the Dark wrote: > "Tell them, Soldekai. Warn them." The Archangel of Death > stared > intently at him. "Warn them that the Judged may yet > judge, and that Heaven would not like their verdict." [low whistle] Oh, yeah, Mikey likes! =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:03:45 -0400 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: IN> [DAWN] And With Daylight Comes Illumination Julain Mensch wrote: "Huh? 'Grigori' is not an uncommon word among mundanes. It must be one of the most common 'occult' angelic myths of all. [...] It's not really a good candidate for a Lovecraftian 'Word that Must Not Be Spoken, Left To Die In The Silent Dust Of History'." Perhaps its their name in the Celestial Tongue that must not be spoken. The word printed in the IN core book is just Greek for "watcher" or "watchman" and is repeated in the name of every guy ever named "Gregory." Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:27:40 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: IN> New Discord Some Days, You Just Can't Get Rid of a Bomb (Celestial) This Discord, yet another favorite of Kobal, makes life miserable for any hard-working celestial who's just trying to get some damned work done for their boss... it basically modifies chaotic events so that they work against the celestial whenever he's trying to get something constructive done. An Impudite trying to toss a grenade at an angel in the abandoned downtown will suddenly find that a parade decided to come down the street, and the angel ran into the middle of it. A Calabite will have his resonance backlash, only to find that the next 6 humans he tries to use it on all seem to have 3 Celestial Forces and a Will of 10. The Discord was named by the first angel who ever had it, a Malakite of the Sword, while he was trying to get rid of a bomb and found that no matter where he went there was -something- that stopped him from chucking it. Whenever the celestial needs to do something quickly, so that he may avoid disaster, something will just seem to come up that will prevent the celestial from doing it, usually involving more dissonance if he ignores the effects of the Discord anyway. Level/1 Small things will annoy the celestial, but only for mostly trivial activities Level/2 Small things still, but this time it's happening during more important moments Level/3 Small things again, but it's happening -all the time-, which get's a little annoying Level/4 As above, but now big problems appear for trivial things Level/5 As above, but now big problems appear for all trivial things, and many important things Level/6 The demon or angel may as well give up on trying to get anything constructive done. No matter what he does, it's going to be very, very difficult. --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:28:35 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Angelic Scorecard (Re: IN> And the last shall be first...) On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 08:29 AM, Michael Walton wrote: > This sounds to me like a good lead-in for getting the > Grigori back into Heaven (if that's a direction that you > want to take your campaign in). Somebody (God? The > Grigori AA's?) has arranged this to give Dominic a taste of > what it's like to be a Watcher. > That's an interesting idea, innit? Let's have a quick look at the rundown, shall we (scorecards! Get yer scorecards! Y'can't tell a Seraph from a Sheriff without a scorecard!) Blandine, Mercurian Archangel of Dreams: This could potentially work. Blandine's view of her Word might change considerably, but it makes sense given who she is and what she's doing. We'll call this a successful Word-shift. Christopher, Mercurian Archangel of Children: Also acceptable, though Christopher's mission has always been protecting the innocent children (and innocence itself), which is not necessarily well suited to a Mercurian's temperament. He might now be more of a teacher than a guardian. David, Malakite Archangel of Stone: No change. Dominic, Grigori Archangel of Judgment: *Now* we get into some interesting territory. First off, it's Dominic's chance (as Michael said) for Dominic to see how the other half lives. Separated from the Truth, Dominic's job becomes far more difficult, his rulings far more subjective. *If* he's able to be flexible enough to adapt, his Word could begin to reflect the good judgment of humanity more than the harsh Judgment of Divine Inquisition. However, given Dominic's character, he might cling to the old even if it proves disastrous (and dissonant)... though on the other hand, an Archangel-level Grigori resonance would be of significant use in finding Outcasts and tracking fugitives... Eli, Cherub Archangel of Creation: This is a significant change of perspective for Our Man Eli. Where before he has been embracing humanity and their ways, his focus would most likely focus away from such pursuits and towards the protection of all Creation. If this is the case, there's an excellent chance Eli would return to Heaven to better pursue such things. Gabriel: Kyriotate Archangel of Fire: Oh....kay. Is anyone else as terrified as I am at this prospect? Seriously, this would likely be a good move for Gabby, in two ways. One, she would begin to approximate the Holy Spirit in methods and actions, and become far more subtle. Also... let's face it, she'd cope with this far far far better than Belial would cope with becoming a Shedite. I predict Gabriel would gain the upper hand over her rival. That, in turn, could help her considerably. Janus, Kyriotate Archangel of the Wind: I'm not sure we would notice the difference. Jean, Elohite Archangel of Lightning: No change. Jordi, Ofanite Archangel of Animals: This is a significant change of viewpoint for Jordi, who was well adapted to seeing the many viewpoints of his animal charges before. Still, Jordi would likely appreciate the swift, sure response of his Ofanite nature. The Eagle of Heaven would of course remain a dangerous opponent for Hell. Khalid: Elohite Archangel of Faith: No change. Laurence: Malakite Archangel of the Sword: No change, save that Laurence would be taking a lot of Tums for a few weeks. Litheroy: Grigori Archangel of Revelation: Oddly, the change would likely suit the unassuming Litheroy, who had made a habit of burying himself in humanity and archaeology anyhow. As a Grigori, his souped-up Archangelic resonance would make revealing hidden activities -- especially those that require Disturbance -- that much easier. I see Litheroy dealing with this change better than any other Seraph. Marc: Cherub Archangel of Trade: Okay, here we have some conflict of Word and Choir. Cherubim are not known for trading. They're known for constancy. A Cherub is in many ways the very model of Divine Selflessness, giving and giving and giving and asking nothing but to let their charges be safe. That makes the Archangel tasked with the delicate work of developing enlightened and unselfish self-interest into a system of trades between sides very very uncomfortable. Marc would actively lobby for the powerful, less conflicted Eli to return and take much of the pressures of Heaven off him while he sorts things through. Of all the Heavenly Superiors, Marc is probably the greatest candidate for Falling, as his drive to protect his institutions while reconciling his loving nature turns to obsession.... Michael: Grigori Archangel of War: I have a lot of faith in Michael, and his ability to adapt to new situations. I believe he would remain the constant, true Champion of Heaven, and I believe he would still take the War to Hell on all fronts. However, his *methods* would likely change, as suddenly breaking down a door indiscriminately would disturb his rarified sense of the Symphony. There would be considerable changes in the organization of War, but the results would remain the same. Novalis: Mercurian Archangel of Flowers: On one level, it seems like this wouldn't change Novalis much. However, there really is a major difference between the all-loving, all-protecting Guardians and the perceptive, gregarious Intercessionists. Where Compassion was the guiding principle behind Novalis's peaceful ways before, Understanding would take center stage now. Also, the Earth Mother look would probably undergo some transformation.... Yves: Would, of course, smile knowingly to himself and smoke another butt. Dirty habit, really. Zadkiel: Mercurian Archangel of Protection: The converse to Marc. Zadkiel would find herself having to reconcile being the ultimate guardian -- a role best suited to a Cherub -- with the essentially nonviolent and understanding nature of the Friends of Man. If she can adapt herself to organizing communities for mutual defense (hand in hand with David, perhaps), she should be able to recover from her shift in nature better than Marc could handle the converse, however. Demons later - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:57:38 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> [DAWN] And With Daylight Comes Illumination On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 10:03 AM, Wajenberg, Earl wrote: > Julain Mensch wrote: > > "Huh? 'Grigori' is not an uncommon word among mundanes. > It must be one of the most common 'occult' angelic myths > of all. [...] It's not really a good > candidate for a Lovecraftian 'Word that Must Not Be > Spoken, Left To Die In The Silent Dust Of History'." > > Perhaps its their name in the Celestial Tongue that must not be > spoken. The > word printed in the IN core book is just Greek for "watcher" or > "watchman" > and is repeated in the name of every guy ever named "Gregory." > More than likely so, though it remains that the Name given to the Choir most sensitive to Disturbance by Yves is said to itself cause Disturbance if it's spoken. That seems unlikely.... Either way, it's how it works in Dawn. YMMV, as always. ;-) - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:03:26 -0400 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: Angelic Scorecard (Re: IN> And the last shall be first...) Whistling in the Dark wrote: "Dominic, Grigori Archangel of Judgment: *Now* we get into some interesting territory. First off, it's Dominic's chance (as Michael said) for Dominic to see how the other half lives. Separated from the Truth, Dominic's job becomes far more difficult, his rulings far more subjective." As an Archangel, Dominic can use the seraph resonnance whenever he needs to, though this might become less comfortable and natural, possibly less profound or powerful, with the choir shift. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:19:32 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> [DAWN] And With Daylight Comes Illumination Ah... this has been my favorite one so far, I liked how you did Azrael and the plight of the Girgori. From what you mentioned, is there thousands of Grigori in existence but only 50 or so are corporeal at any time? --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:24:13 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> And the last shall be first... And, on the dark side of things.... Alaemon, Djinn Prince of Secrets: In many ways, Alaemon would be happier as a Djinn -- his paranoia and obsession with secrets fits perfectly with the Stalker mentality, and the driving need not to care about others while making them care about you fits Alaemon to a Tee. He likely would change little if at all, and be able to continue doing what he was doing with little problem. Andrealphus, Djinn Prince of Lust: This is a less obvious jump than Andrealphus's bandmate Alaemon's conversion, but it also works relatively well. The driving principle of Lust is self-gratification is all, and love is a lie. This fits a Djinn's viewpoint perfectly. However, the innate lethargy of Djinn would work against Andrealphus, as he would lack the driving hunger and passion which fuels Lust. Still - -- not a difficult transition. Asmodeus, Impudite Prince of the Game: Losing the Djinn sense of callous disregard would take some adjustment on Asmodeus's side, though the idea of a Prince of the Game who is so utterly and deeply charming frightens many in Hell. And well it should. There would be a different Game to play, now, but the goals would remain the same and Asmodeus would continue to play to win. Baal, Dark Grigori Prince of the War: This is a major blow to Hell and to Baal himself, in at least two ways. First off, the innate nature of the Skulker is hiding away and sneaking off unseen... which is *dissonant* for the War. Secondly, Baal has built a tremendous house of cards on the foundation of his own self deception -- his beliefs surrounding Michael, his own skills, his own importance, the rightness of their cause and the like all derives completely from Baal's ability to fool himself about the universe. Baal's house of cards could easily collapse, particularly if his Grigori counterpart adapts to the new methods of fighting first.... Beleth, Impudite Princess of Nightmares: This is a radical change of methodology -- the hideous, callous, hateful and demanding Princess of Nightmares is replaced overnight by a darkly beautiful Princess... one for whom Nightmares are alluring, seducing dreamers in, then terrifying them unexpectedly. Beleth the Taker would likely have just a wonderful time. Of course, losing the Djinn's perspective might change her feelings towards the Mercurian Archangel across the vale... but that's only if you're a romantic. Belial: Shedite Prince of Fire: The core of Shedite deviancy is subtlety. A Shedite is the whisper in the ear, the knife in the back, the twist of betrayal and the yielding to darkest impulses. Belial is designed to do exactly none of these. He's at best a simpleton (in Superior terms, at least) who considered the Great Chicago Fire subtle because he managed to get it blamed on a cow. At the very least, Belial is shaken by the change and forced to remake his entire way of doing things. Which, given he's got Gabriel just *waiting* for weakness on the Infernal side of their Word could be very bad for our Boy Belial, and very good for Moe Lane's view of the universe. Furfur: Shedite Prince of Hardcore: Weirdly enough, Furfur is better able to adapt to being a Shedite than Belial is. Oh, it's different, but going into the brains of humans and driving them from the straight and narrow inexorably into the extreme, the horrid, the depraved and the high octane -- that's *Hardcore,* Baby! Expect a good number of nun-to-speed-metal-junky-whore three week conversions until Furfur gets over the novelty of the change. Fleurity: Habbalite Prince of Drugs: No change. Haagenti: Shedite Prince of Gluttony: Haagenti suffers from many of the same problems Belial does -- his word is *not* subtle, and his methods aren't geared for subtlety. However, as he's no longer a Calabite, he no longer has that driving Hunger discord, which in many ways is liberating for the pig-goat boy. Where before he tried to inspire sudden frenzies of consumption in humanity, the new Shedite Haagenti would take a longer view, slowly pushing the responsible into pure gluttony day after day. In the long run, Haagenti's victims would have a much harder time recovering.... Kobal: Djinn Prince of Dark Humor: Kobal said from the very beginning that Djinn are perfect models of the Dark Humor of the universe. Who would you *possibly* laugh at more viciously than those twisted freaks - -- and they don't even care. They just sit there, taking it until they pulp your face with their fist, *if* they can be bothered. Well, now look who's the combination shark/chicken/stout/lizard, huh? Just look? *Look,* damn it... aren't you laughing? Aren't you? Kobal isn't. He's just sitting there, scowl on what passes for a face, hardly bothering to look up.... Kronos: Say what you will for Kronos, at least he doesn't smoke. Lilith: Our Human Princess of Freedom doesn't change. She *is* amused, of course. Though, she'd always gotten along so well with Andrealphus, Nybbas and Valefor, and now two of them are Djinn who expect her to devote herself to them while giving nothing in return, and the other's a *Shedite.* Still, she'd never noticed just how alluring Nightmares could be, before... and Asmodeus has a whole new perspective on life.... Mammon: Dark Grigori Prince of Greed: Oddly, this suits Mammon to a tee. Of course, he's redone the Vault about seven times in the last two weeks, each adding another layer of protection. But still... if there's anyone meant to be a Skulker, quieting any Disturbance that comes his way and leaping out to deal with any intruder he senses, looking for all the world like an overly tall Ebenezer Scrooge... this is him. Malphas: Calabite Prince of Factions: This isn't a *great* move for Malphas, but he can work for it. After all, as the Calabim of Factions have always known, Factionalizing is essentially destructive, and Malphas is the master of it. While he might lose a certain degree of subtlety, Malphas would continue moving forward. Nybbas: Djinn Prince of the Media: Make no bones about it. This is a disaster for Nybbas and the Media. While he would be able to prevent a total collapse of his (ahem) Media Empire by adopting Asmodeus/Game-like methods to the process, Nybbas can't hope to keep his razor sharp edge of what's in, what's out, what's grin, what's pout without his Impudite's perspective. Djinn just aren't *made* for it. Plus, no longer being one of the beautiful people definitely hurts his cause. Expect Nybbas to go full bore Obsessive in trying to hold onto his empire and market share, but also expect his obsessions to hurt more than they help. Nybbas might easily be pulled down by ambitious subordinates during this process or -- if his hunger and obsession leads to Cherub-like thoughts -- might even become a Redemption candidate. Saminga: Calabite Prince of Death: So... Saminga can now kill people just by looking at them... and you wonder if this will *bother* him? Valefor: Shedite Prince of Theft: I'm not sure we would notice the difference. Vapula: Habbalite Prince of Technology: No change. Well, except Vapula has all these new *research* programs... and just how *did* Jean manage to pull this off.... - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:27:34 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: Angelic Scorecard (Re: IN> And the last shall be first...) On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 11:03 AM, Wajenberg, Earl wrote: > Whistling in the Dark wrote: > > "Dominic, Grigori Archangel of Judgment: *Now* we get into some > interesting territory. First off, it's Dominic's chance (as Michael > said) for Dominic to see how the other half lives. Separated from the > Truth, Dominic's job becomes far more difficult, his rulings far more > subjective." > > > As an Archangel, Dominic can use the seraph resonnance whenever he > needs to, > though this might become less comfortable and natural, possibly less > profound or powerful, with the choir shift. > Completely agreed. However -- there is a difference between a Superior having access to the Seraph resonance (and all the others) and having the Super-Powerful-Archangel-Level-Word-Supported-**RESONANCE** that you get by being a Superior of that given Choir. Further, being a member of a Choir also means having a specific point of view -- you are a type of instrument, and now you're a different one. That you can still play the notes of a flute solo on the baritone sax (well, transposed) doesn't mean you can sit First Chair Flute with one. - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:32:42 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> [DAWN] And With Daylight Comes Illumination On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 11:19 AM, sirea@softhome.net wrote: > Ah... this has been my favorite one so far, I liked how you did Azrael > and the plight of the Girgori. From what you mentioned, is there > thousands of Grigori in existence but only 50 or so are corporeal at > any time? Well, this is an assumption on my part. See, we know there were more Grigori once upon a time (I'm saying thousands just because they were a big enough Choir to get 'Eighth Choir' status, though I have no numbers to support it). We also know that estimates of the number of Grigori running around are between 50 and 0. Now, since the Grigori can't run to Heaven when things get tough, I *don't* expect they try to escape Celestially very often, so it's highly unlikely that either Angels or Demons who decide to smack them around can actually soul-kill them that easily. However, since none of them have Hearts, they're stuck in Limbo when they *get* smacked around. Which means there's potentially a couple of thousand Grigori in Limbo, desperately trying to claw their way out.... - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:38:39 -0400 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: IN> [DAWN] And With Daylight Comes Illumination Whistling in the Dark wrote: "See, we know there were more Grigori once upon a time (I'm saying thousands just because they were a big enough Choir to get 'Eighth Choir' status, though I have no numbers to support it)." The actual bit of pseudepigrapha that is the source of the Grigori tale gives their number as 200, for what that may be worth. (Of course, the REAL source is in Genesis, in the prologue to the Noah story.) "it's highly unlikely that either Angels or Demons who decide to smack them around can actually soul-kill them that easily." Would many angels smack them around much? I thought angels were under standing orders to avoid them, and living Outcast on Earth is the sentence Dominic set the to serve; he might not take kindly to someone roughing up the prisoners. His own Word dissoncance condition is to never inflict too much punishment, and what he makes dissonant for his own angels, he'd probably disapprove strongly in anyone else's. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:41:28 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> [DAWN] And With Daylight Comes Illumination > Which means there's potentially a couple of thousand Grigori in Limbo, > desperately trying to claw their way out.... Eugh... creepy thought :( but that's a very good reasoning for why they say there's only 50 Grigori at anytime. I'd imagine it would be kinda dumb to only have there be 50 total, that's way too few to make them useful or an 8th Choir period. The idea of thousands of them in limbo is a disturbing and excellent thought... --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:41:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New Discord - --- sirea@softhome.net wrote: > Some Days, You Just Can't Get Rid of a Bomb (Celestial) ROACLMWO! I din't know that you were a fan of cheesy superhero movies, Sirea. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:45:10 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> [DAWN] And With Daylight Comes Illumination ." > > Would many angels smack them around much? I thought angels were under > standing orders to avoid them, and living Outcast on Earth is the sentence > Dominic set the to serve; he might not take kindly to someone roughing up > the prisoners. His own Word dissoncance condition is to never inflict too > much punishment, and what he makes dissonant for his own angels, he'd > probably disapprove strongly in anyone else's. > Didn't angels of Stone take a rather evil pleasure in murdering any of the Grigori once cast out? To be frank, that idea, combined with David's world views, makes me wish he'd Fall or just be... taken care of. Malakite or not, Stone seems to be rather demonic at times. Or maybe I feel like hating the rocky dolt at the moment :D --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:45:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: Angelic Scorecard (Re: IN> And the last shall be first...) - --- Whistling in the Dark wrote: > That's an interesting idea, innit? And that's before you consider that Lucifer -- if this thing effected him -- would now be a Skulker. How well would he be able to hold Hell together without his turbocharged Balseraph Resonance? };> =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:57:02 -0600 From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" Subject: Re: Angelic Scorecard (Re: IN> And the last shall be first...) > And that's before you consider that Lucifer -- if this > thing effected him -- would now be a Skulker. How well > would he be able to hold Hell together without his > turbocharged Balseraph Resonance? };> >

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

Hmm, Lucifer's method of operation already makes him a sort of Skulker already. I imagine Hell would start coming apart at the seams, although there's nothing that says someone under the affect of a Balseraph resonance becomes free when the Balseraph is gone. But any *new* demons wouldn't be born into Lucifer's Lie. And Words would become very hard to find. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:13:57 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: Angelic Scorecard (Re: IN> And the last shall be first...) >Gabriel: Kyriotate Archangel of Fire: Oh....kay. Is anyone else as >terrified as I am at this prospect? Yes. Why? Because suddenly I'm seeing a cloud emanating blinding light and just heaving a great ::sigh:: Probably the first time she's relaxed in millenia. >Janus, Kyriotate Archangel of the Wind: I'm not sure we would notice >the difference. > I'm not sure *he* would notice the difference. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:20:47 -0500 From: Joe Reimers Subject: IN> Phillipi, Former Mercurian of Fire Disclaimer: Once again, I am drawing _heavily_ on the works of others. Not too long ago, a young Mercurian of Fire became obsessed with humans who were cruel: not on a grand scale, or even bullies, for that matter, but with the slow and ongoing sort of cruelty so common among humans: too trivial to demand revenge, but irritating to those involved. And so Phillipi took it upon himself to avenge this cruelty. Other servitors of Fire ignored him or told him to find "real" cruelty and deal with that. It was too much to avenge every peccadillo. So Phillipi took his case before Dominic. Well, sort of. He took it before a junior lieutenant of Dominic's, who in turn assured Phillipi that a senior adjuctant research assistant who had personally met with Dominic in the past week (as all servitors of Dominic do) would research the issue and get back with him. Eventually. Maybe. He never heard back from Dominic's people, and was angry enough that he chose to Fall. Well, not really "Fall" so much as "engage in a controlled descent." Thus, he stopped somewhere between Heaven and Hell, but outside the Marches. He was no longer an Angel, but also not a Demon. He carved out a niche for himself in this place, and declared himself Phil, Prince of Insufficient Light, Ruler of Heck. Both Heaven and Hell acknowledge the necessity and existence of Heck, yet neither is really willing to have much in terms of relations or dealings with Phil. The sole exceptions are Dominic and Asmodeus, who see Phil aiding both their causes. In his Celestial form, Phil appears as a wingless Mercurian wearing a giant red devil suit and carrying a giant spoon. He manifests similarly on earth. Servitors: Phil has no celestial servitors. He handles his own affairs. Occasionally he will strengthen his Word by inspiring a popular human comic strip creator. Chance of Invocation: none. Phil cannot be summoned, he appears of his own accord. **With apologies to Scott Adams ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:24:01 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> And the last shall be first... > > >Haagenti: Shedite Prince of Gluttony: Haagenti suffers from many of the >same problems Belial does -- his word is *not* subtle, and his methods >aren't geared for subtlety. However, as he's no longer a Calabite, he >no longer has that driving Hunger discord, which in many ways is >liberating for the pig-goat boy. Where before he tried to inspire >sudden frenzies of consumption in humanity, the new Shedite Haagenti >would take a longer view, slowly pushing the responsible into pure >gluttony day after day. In the long run, Haagenti's victims would have >a much harder time recovering.... > I don't know... Imagine Haagenti turning into a Shedite. His form actually contracts into a very slim (though still composed of smoke/tentacles) body. Then he explodes. And an Impudite that seems to have been shaped out of complete darkness is standing there, smoke a cigarette. "Well, that took long enough." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:30:08 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Phillipi, Former Mercurian of Fire >In his Celestial form, Phil appears as a wingless Mercurian wearing a giant >red devil suit and carrying a giant spoon. He manifests similarly on earth. > >**With apologies to Scott Adams > It's because of people like you that I have a Josh's forehead size dent in my wall. Thank you. Now explain Catbert. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:30:17 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> And the last shall be first... > Then he explodes. > > And an Impudite that seems to have been shaped out of complete darkness is > standing there, smoke a cigarette. > > "Well, that took long enough." > > I'm not sure what just happened here, but it was cool o.o --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:43:34 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> New Discord Michael Walton writes: > --- sirea@softhome.net wrote: >> Some Days, You Just Can't Get Rid of a Bomb (Celestial) > > ROACLMWO! I din't know that you were a fan of cheesy > superhero movies, Sirea. > Saw the movie when I was bored one day, and got Divinely Inspired ;D --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:49:41 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> And the last shall be first... > >> Then he explodes. >> >> And an Impudite that seems to have been shaped out of complete darkness is >> standing there, smoke a cigarette. >> >> "Well, that took long enough." >> >> > >I'm not sure what just happened here, but it was cool o.o > Well, the Impudite beside her that was wiping off the last of his slime didn't comment. He's kinda laid back. Or just very Slothful. ^_^' Josh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:54:53 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> And the last shall be first... >> Then he explodes. >> >> And an Impudite that seems to have been shaped out of complete darkness is >> standing there, smoke a cigarette. >> >> "Well, that took long enough." > >I'm not sure what just happened here, but it was cool o.o Impudite --> former Djinn. Which means either Mariel or Meserach. I'm betting on Mariel. ...and yes, that mental image is *cool*. ^^ Though I have to admit I saw 'Impudite' and thought 'Kobal' at first... ~S.D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:55:00 -0400 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> And the last shall be first... > > Well, the Impudite beside her that was wiping off the last of his slime > didn't comment. He's kinda laid back. > > > Or just very Slothful. > ... ...... (suddenly recalls the popular List theory) Ohhhh!!! Well, I was thinking about Oblivion, I guess I would be forgetful ;) --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:43:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> New Discord On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 sirea@softhome.net wrote: > Some Days, You Just Can't Get Rid of a Bomb (Celestial) > > This Discord, yet another favorite of Kobal, makes life miserable for any > hard-working celestial who's just trying to get some damned work done for > their boss... it basically modifies chaotic events so that they work against > the celestial whenever he's trying to get something constructive done. An > Impudite trying to toss a grenade at an angel in the abandoned downtown will > suddenly find that a parade decided to come down the street, ...or a group of nuns, or a couple with a baby stroller, or maybe just some cute little ducks... :) Heh, like the reference. That's one of my favorite scenes from one of my favorite movies, and is a lot more fun than calling it "Unluckiness". - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! When I was a young boy / My momma said to me, "Son, you're a girl / Now take off my strap-on." -- Samjo (Pee Kitty's girlfriend) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:18:01 -0600 From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" Subject: IN> IN1's Behind the Symphony. As ya'all know, I'm doing a long-term game in which the characters have been around pretty much since the dawn of time. I'd like them to meet up with angels who become Superiors, but I don't have any write-ups for 'em. That's where you guys, with all your talent and free time, come in! Could someone please do writeups for each of these beings? Ideally, I'd like one with 'em as normal angels and one with 'em as newly word-bound entities. Laurence Khalid Christopher Zadkiel Litheroy Azrael Another interesting angel would be Saminga as a mere word-bound Shedite of Death. He was a companion of the characters before the Fall and I think they would relish going up against him. I can't think of any angels who fell and become important demons after the Fall, but if there are any (Aleamon?), I wouldn't say no to them. :-) Thanks in advance. Ben Demon of Outsourcing "You're all the things I've got to remember." - -- A-ha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:35:44 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> [DAWN] And With Daylight Comes Illumination On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 01:45 PM, sirea@softhome.net wrote: > ." >> Would many angels smack them around much? I thought angels were under >> standing orders to avoid them, and living Outcast on Earth is the >> sentence >> Dominic set the to serve; he might not take kindly to someone >> roughing up >> the prisoners. His own Word dissoncance condition is to never >> inflict too >> much punishment, and what he makes dissonant for his own angels, he'd >> probably disapprove strongly in anyone else's. > > Didn't angels of Stone take a rather evil pleasure in murdering any of > the Grigori once cast out? To be frank, that idea, combined with > David's world views, makes me wish he'd Fall or just be... taken care > of. Malakite or not, Stone seems to be rather demonic at times. Or > maybe I feel like hating the rocky dolt at the moment :D Well, it's known that the Davidians, along with Uriel's angels, hunted the Grigori down for their trial, as well as slaughtering the Nephallim. It's assumed that after the Grigori were Cast Out, they would be left alone so long as they stayed clear of Celestial affairs. When they haven't, they've more than rarely been dispatched before they could corrupt decent, God-fearing Angels. Further, the Davidians (according to Superiors 1) have taken on a considerable amount of the Grigori's old role. And David himself once loved the Grigori well, then was their most dedicated opponent. While it's true a good number of Angels have been excessive in their treatment of the Watchers (and it's safe to say a Demon would happily kill a Grigori if he found him, since they're still calling in the alarms when demons do Bad Things), it's likely that the Grigori tendency (in my fiction/stuff if nothing else) to focus on David and his Angels as their primary persecutors is exaggerated. At the same time... I kind of like the idea that there's a group of angels accused of being hardliners, overly harsh, known for excessive force and terrible treatment of others... and it *not* be the Dominicans, for once. Mm. There's an adventure seed there. A triad being dispatched to investigate the excessive force and intimidation of one of the Watchers by a distincted Davidian who doesn't see anything wrong with removing a Watcher from a neighborhood he's been assigned to with extreme force... - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2819 ********************************