in_nomine-digest Thursday, October 17 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2824 In this digest: Re: IN> outcasting = silly. Re: IN> INverse Superior: Makatiel, Elohite Archangel of Life Re: IN> outcasting = silly. Re: IN> outcasting = silly. Re: IN> INverse Superior: Makatiel, Elohite Archangel of Life IN> Genubath fiction-bit Re: IN> Genubath fiction-bit Re: IN> Genubath fiction-bit IN> Eli and Dates Re: IN> Eli and Dates Re: IN> Digitates -- The Patterns, New Choir Re: IN> Genubath fiction-bit IN> The Urmeer Tether IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... RE: IN> INverse Superior: Makatiel, Elohite Archangel of Life Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... IN> What about Marc? Re: IN> The Urmeer Tether Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... Re: IN> Digitates -- The Patterns, New Choir Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... IN> What can't Eli create? Re: IN> What can't Eli create? Re: IN> The Urmeer Tether Re: IN> What can't Eli create? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:08:34 -0600 From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" Subject: Re: IN> outcasting = silly. I understand the general idea that Outcasting an angel would encourage him to clean up his act. My problem is that the game mechanics mess this up a bit by making them so much more likely to Fall. I guess that could easily be solved by the Gamemaster, though... a player whose angel would just grow resentful and Fall is a player whose angel would be destroyed out of hand rather than cast out. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:20:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> INverse Superior: Makatiel, Elohite Archangel of Life On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Michael Walton wrote: > --- Cameron McCurry wrote: > > Calabite of Saminga's ability to know how much damage > > someone can take > > before they die would be another example. > > No, because it doesn't automatically say, "That's a > Celestial," or "That's an Ethereal." It only tells you if > somebody is unusually tough. That could be a 7-Force Human > with the Toughness Advantage. Um, yeah... you're likely to run across a natural, unaligned (with Heaven or Hell) 7-Force Human about as often as you'll run across a radioactive poodle. Now, that might be different in your game, but in canon, 7-Force humans are VERY rare and recruitement by either side is a HIGH priority. So even if the GM decides to throw one into a scene, it's a better find than just spotting another Celestial. Anyways, bringing a one-in-ten-million ringer into the equation doesn't reallly affect it. Simply put, if a Calabite of Saminga looks at someone and knows they can take 100 hits of damage before going down, there's still a 9,999,999-in-ten-million chance that it's either a celestial, saint, undead, or VERY powerful soldier. Still just as useful. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "When nothing's funny, it gets easy to laugh at the drop of a hat - or a bomb." -- Devo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:28:21 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> outcasting = silly. At 12:08 PM 10/16/2002 -0600, Rampaging Crypto-Man wrote: >I understand the general idea that Outcasting an angel would encourage him >to clean up his act. My problem is that the game mechanics mess this up a >bit by making them so much more likely to Fall. I guess that could easily >be solved by the Gamemaster, though... a player whose angel would just grow >resentful and Fall is a player whose angel would be destroyed out of hand >rather than cast out. Actually, there is a functional difference between being Cast Out and becoming Outcast (if you gather the distinction): someone who has been Cast Out doesn't necessarily have a shattered Heart. He may simply be unable to return to it (much as Ethereals can't - at least, in canon - at least, IIRC - - enter Heaven at all), but still have a faint connection to it, somewhat like an Internet user who's used to using broadband and suddenly finds himself with copper phone wires and a 300-baud modem. Succumbing to dissonance, on the other hand, shatters not only the angel's connection to his Heart but the Heart itself. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:20:25 -0700 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> outcasting = silly. Cameron McCurry wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:20:42 -0500 Joe Reimers said unto us: > > >>but I have a Dominican in my group, and I am > having a murderous time seeing Dom cast out one > of his own when they are specifically charged to PREVENT angels from becoming > Outcasts. > > Actually, they are charged with preventing angels from becoming demons. > Outcasting is a last resort even among the Judges and it is understood that > all other methods have been tried. And when an angel is Outcast by Dominic, it's always with a Cherub of Judgment attuned to the angel. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:11:24 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> INverse Superior: Makatiel, Elohite Archangel of Life > Keeping the "wheel of life" motif, but dropping the celestial-detector: Wow. May I use this? Fact is, I had something like this in mind for the original Ofanite of Life attunement, but I didn't want to push in on Saminga's territory (he's the AA of Transcendence, which is the soul and it's journey, in INverse). Still this is good for promoting more life, and the two do work together. --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:00:39 -0700 From: Harukami Subject: IN> Genubath fiction-bit What Really Happened To Genubath...? *** Valefor breezes in, waving a hand to dismiss his doorman. "Take the evening off, James, m'boy." "Good take today, sir?" The rumpled-tuxedo-clad Calabite drops into a bow as Valefor passes. "Ah, the best, the best, James. Today I stole the Pope." "Again, sir?" "It's a new one. One would have thought they'd have had better security after last time..." Valefor shrugs out of his stylish leather jacket and drops it on the silk sheets of his bed. "Go off and steal yourself a drink, James, and don't forget to toast my health!" "Very good, sir." Mr. James bows once more. "There is nothing I can do to aid you...?" Valefor's down to his pants now, and heads over to the closet to change into his silk dressing gown. The door slides open and Mr. James catches, very briefly, a glimpse of a wide-eyed figure, struggling against his bonds, making vague desperate noises through his gag. "No, thank you, James," Valefor says, snagging his robe. "You're dismissed. ...Oh Genubath, DO shut up, there's a dear." *** And there y'have it, folks, the answer to the question nobody was asking. Harukami ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:27:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Genubath fiction-bit Heh heh... but my question is, where does he keep the Lost Monet? =====

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__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:35:14 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Genubath fiction-bit >What Really Happened To Genubath...? > >And there y'have it, folks, the answer to the question nobody was asking. > >Harukami ...you're a strange person Harukami. Strange. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:37:38 +0100 From: "nick sands" Subject: IN> Eli and Dates I dont have books to habd and i know the list to be helpful in situations like this. I need to know, as cannonicly (sp?) possible, the date when eli went missing. If there isnt a cannon date, could folks let me know the year eli went awol (and the year the host in general noticed). I might have a sudden brain wave, which may have been caused by reading some old files of mine, and then looking onlione at certain historical dates. Many cheers in advance. Oh, id love to hear folks thoughts on why he wentout and forgot to leave a note as well that any of you guys might have. I really should post more often... Nick www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber *MAN WAS BORN TO LOVE, THOUGH OFTEN HE HAS SOUGHT, LIKE ICARUS, TO FLY TO HIGH, AND FAR TO LONELY THAN HE OUGHT, TO KISS THE SUN OF EAST AND WEST, AND HOLD THE WORLD AT HIS BEHEST, TO HOLD THE TERRIBLE POWER, TO WHOM ONLY GODS ARE BLESSED, BUT ME… I’M JUST A MAN* _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:51:35 -0700 From: Harukami Subject: Re: IN> Eli and Dates >I need to know, as cannonicly (sp?) possible, the date when eli went >missing. >If there isnt a cannon date, could folks let me know the year eli went awol >(and the year the host in general noticed). 1957, quoth the GMG. And Really Damn Soon, I imagine. >I might have a sudden brain wave, which may have been caused by reading some >old files of mine, and then looking onlione at certain historical dates. Oooh. Share? ^^ Harukami http://haru_in.tripod.com For IN fiction, art, and game logs! ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2002 18:37:06 -0400 From: Gerald Sears Subject: Re: IN> Digitates -- The Patterns, New Choir Oh thanks. Well I'm still working on revising the Digitates and getting the bugs worked out of them as well as working on the rest of the Campaign setting and actually gettting players for it. I am moving forward slowly but surely. Anyhoo on to your comments. The dissonance and ressonance conditions could work for them and would be the basic idea of the digitates. However due to suggestions from Archangel and others I'm probably going to make the Digitates be actually a part of a greater archangel rather than be individual angels themselves. This is the major sticking point for me because I want them to be individual states or prosseses, much like on a computer, but all controlled by the whole of their 'choir' or being. The Cluster in heaven (Probably located in one of the back rooms of Yves library) is definatly going to be or at least have an archangel at its core. It is only when the individual Digitates get seperated from the cluster that they slowly begin to become truely individual, though I do not want this prosses in and of itself to garner them dissonance. To put it another way their "I" changes as they get and interact more closly to the whole from refering to just themselves when they are seperated to refering to the entire digitate being. You have the right idea as far as their use goes and definatly not preforming their function is dissonant to them. This is espechailly true as I plan to add a couple of Hellbound computer and AI systems to the game, the Matrix(controled by Asmodeus) and The B.E.A.S.T. which is controled by Vapula(or at least thats what he thinks. Both of these systems are goign to be designend from captured digitates either entraped and forced into slavery(matrix) or from being basically disected and courrupted(B.E.A.S.T.). Also there is going to be an Etherial Computer node somewhere in the far marches possably as my planned game revolves greatly around Etherial involvment. Finnaly I may very well work up some basic rules for angels and demons on the net and in computers. Ideas range from small demonlings that pose as games like solitare and slowly suck essence, emotion and productivity from their unwitting players to Malakim specifically trained to stalk the networks of Earth and Heaven for Hellish corruptions. Oh and No there are no conventions for naming just make it something that sounds like a computer would call itself. Gerzel On Wed, 2002-10-16 at 11:05, Jeffery Watkins wrote: > > This is a new choir I am working on for my upcoming IN game set in GURPS > > Transhuman Space around the year 2100. I need advice on how to handle > > these in game and on how to polish them to fit with IN. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:48:26 +0000 From: "carson young" Subject: Re: IN> Genubath fiction-bit ooh, when you had James, I was hoping he had Jesse James (I think that's his name, I feel stupid today) as a personal attendant. Still very funny though. Carson Young, habbalite of GM's > >What Really Happened To Genubath...? > >*** > >Valefor breezes in, waving a hand to dismiss his doorman. "Take the >evening off, James, m'boy." > >"Good take today, sir?" The rumpled-tuxedo-clad Calabite drops into a bow >as Valefor passes. > >"Ah, the best, the best, James. Today I stole the Pope." > >"Again, sir?" > >"It's a new one. One would have thought they'd have had better security >after last time..." Valefor shrugs out of his stylish leather jacket and >drops it on the silk sheets of his bed. "Go off and steal yourself a >drink, James, and don't forget to toast my health!" > >"Very good, sir." Mr. James bows once more. "There is nothing I can do to >aid you...?" > >Valefor's down to his pants now, and heads over to the closet to change >into his silk dressing gown. The door slides open and Mr. James catches, >very briefly, a glimpse of a wide-eyed figure, struggling against his >bonds, making vague desperate noises through his gag. > >"No, thank you, James," Valefor says, snagging his robe. "You're >dismissed. ...Oh Genubath, DO shut up, there's a dear." > >*** > >And there y'have it, folks, the answer to the question nobody was asking. > >Harukami _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:56:51 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: IN> The Urmeer Tether "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." -- Genesis 1:6 A vast world of water, bluing the sky above, falls down to meet the waters of the world's oceans. The oceanic horizon is where this magical transformation takes place, where ships disappear into the vastness of the sea, where a loved one returns from the unknown back to the arms of hearth and home. Even for humans who no longer believe they are surrounded by an infinite depth of water in the day sky, the ocean's horizon -- farther, smoother, and more alien than any horizon on land which can be reached and crossed -- still holds wondrous powers of joining, separation, stability, and transformation. One is never on the horizon one perceives, of course. How could it ever be a Tether? Even if it were, how could it be discovered? The answer to this question lies in the later history of the Grigori before their Outcasting. A Watcher named Medad that served Oannes was taking his leave of a human lover, sailing away to another life. She waited on the shore, watching him go; and when he was only a speck on the sea, his image trembling and about to vanish from her sight, he felt their farewell echo with the power of every such farewell on the Earth. Realizing he stood in the wavering locus of a transient Tether, he quickly invoked Oannes and was Attuned to the Tether on the spot, later being Word-Bound as its Seneschal. Medad had little time to enjoy status as a ranking member of Oannes' hierarchy; the Grigori were Outcast shortly thereafter. But Medad kept his Tether, since it was worried that the process of reattuning the transient Tether to another angel might destroy its sanctified nature, with no promise of regaining it. Later, Oannes was destroyed, and Medad was more alone than ever. Today, he wanders the oceans in celestial form, sometimes watching the shipping lanes for pirates or seeking lost mariners, sometimes desiring only the solitude of the vast ocean. Very rarely are there Disturbances here for him to seek out and deal with. Since no Superior now takes his Tether's Essence, Medad sings Themes to strengthen those melodies in the Symphony he cares about: the Waters, Harmony, and Memory. Of late, he has taken to wandering around in a patch of ocean off the east coast of the North American continent. Not being in contact with human communications, nobody's told him about the strange tricks his Tether, made with the concepts of parting and joining and horizons, is playing with humans' perceptions of time and space in the oceans around Bermuda... So he wanders. And as long as Medad is on the open ocean, his Tether surrounds him. But because the Tether locus exists where Medad perceives the oceanic horizon to be, Medad himself can never reach it. Heaven, for Medad, is always just beyond the horizon. - -- The Urmeer Tether to Water -- terminates in Oannes' Grotto Elemental, Transient (i.e., Transferable and Intermittent) Forces: 7 Locus: any horizon perceived by its Seneschal over water (about 3 miles away) Capacity: 35 Forces Flow: 1 Essence per hour Features Quiet, Celestial Harbor, Restricted (must travel a significant distance) Word-Bound Seneschal: Medad, Grigori Seneschal of the Urmeer The Urmeer Tether (the word is Ur-meer, primitive ocean, and may be older than this source but I personally borrowed it from Roger Zelazny) is possibly one of the largest on Earth. Its size can be inconvenient -- an angel must travel several miles from Medad to use the Tether, and Medad must be looking in the right direction -- but can also be exceedingly useful defensively, since demons must either lure Medad on land or approach through several miles of an angelic Tether to attack him. If Medad were supporting a Heavenly assault on a coastal region, he could cause several miles of beach to front directly onto his Tether by keeping an eye on the ocean(and he knows Numinous Corpus: Eyes). As an explanation for the Bermuda Triangle, Medad could appear in a Silly game, or in a completely earnest one. In a Dark game, Medad might have Fallen *and* kept his Tether through some vile ritual(supported with an Infernal Intervention), perverting it into (and limiting it to) the Bermuda Triangle deliberately. William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:46:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... This was the Infamous Adventure that I ran a while back. Writing it out took much more time and pages than I thought: also, it ended up much weirder and not as funny as I remember. http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/seeds/Schlo.htm Umm, if you have issues with genital jokes, you may want to skip this one. Moe PS: My players did great on this, btw. Just wanted to say. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/18/02 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:56:58 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... > >Umm, if you have issues with genital jokes, you may >want to skip this one. Thats... that's just a bad sign right there... Josh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:05:50 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... >This was the Infamous Adventure that I ran a while >back. Writing it out took much more time and pages >than I thought: also, it ended up much weirder and not >as funny as I remember. Moe, I'm on scene three, and I believe what I have to say thus far can best be summed up by a message brought to you by Mr. Mackee: "Don't do drugs. Drugs are bad. Mmmkay?" Josh (Admittedly, it looks like Fleurity got you a cut deal rate on the good stuff) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:09:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... - --- Josh Moger wrote: > > > >Umm, if you have issues with genital jokes, you may > >want to skip this one. > > > Thats... that's just a bad sign right there... > > > Josh That's why I put in the warning. Tolstoi it ain't. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/18/02 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:29:11 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... >http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/seeds/Schlo.htm > Well... uhmm... uh... hmm... it's... yeah...hoom... One thing: What do the PC's do next week when a very regal seeming Egyptian women shows up asking for help with *her*... statue? Josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:50:57 -0600 From: Julian Mensch Subject: RE: IN> INverse Superior: Makatiel, Elohite Archangel of Life Canonically, per the GMG, every angel's Fate is to fall, and every demon's Destiny is to Redeem. (Yes, this means technically that some angels -- those who Fell and then Redeemed -- have met their Fate. Strange.) Humans are metaphysically incapable of these things, and therefore cannot have them as Fates or Destinies. Anyway, this means that, along with being a heck of a lot more useful then Ophanim of Life, Fated Future is a perfect celestial detector. Further, it can tell angels from demons and costs half the Essence of the proposed attunement. Since it also costs 10 CP, I think the Ophanim of Life is perfectly balanced, in retrospect. (Note that Divine Destiny works on 'mortals', while FF works on 'person's. However, if you try it and it _doesn't_ work on person X, well,... it's a Celestial detector for *one* Essence, or a fourth the cost of Sirea's attunement.) (Though I will grant that Michael's version is rather nice too.) Remember that Makatiel is leader of the House of Peace. Like Novalis, he should have some kind of edge to back up that position. OoL certainly isn't more powerful than the canon Seraph of Novalis attunement. - -- Julian Mensch ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:59:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... - --- Josh Moger wrote: > Well... uhmm... uh... hmm... it's... yeah...hoom... I know exactly what you mean. > > One thing: > > What do the PC's do next week when a very regal > seeming Egyptian women shows > up asking for help with *her*... statue? Damn, wish I'd thought of that. Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/18/02 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:20:47 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... At 09:46 PM 10/16/2002 -0700, Maurice Lane wrote: >PS: My players did great on this, btw. Just wanted to say. It's unfortunate that you didn't give a blow-by-blow on the players' run-through; there were some good lines that didn't get mentioned (including "Moe, what's the Power of a motorcycle?"), and at least two minor (some might say "inessential") plot points that were left out: - - the Ethereal in the Kit Kat Club; - - the device's way of indicating to the PCs that they were being attacked: tapping out Morse code... ("What does waterfowl have to do with anything?") - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:23:36 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> What about Marc? Trade as "business" or "commerce" didn't exist in any significant level, but there were exchanges between neighboring tribes, even if these exchanges were only the tribe members themselves. This sort of exchange was necessary to prevent inbreeding. The institution of marriage may have originated under the watch of Trade. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 05:33:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Urmeer Tether - --- "William J. Keith" wrote: > "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of > the waters, > and let it divide the waters from the waters." -- Genesis > 1:6 This verse is why I think that an alternate Oannes whom Belial didn't kill would claim space travel as part of his Word. > Not being in contact with > human communications, nobody's told him about the strange > tricks his > Tether, made with the concepts of parting and joining and > horizons, is > playing with humans' perceptions of time and space in the > oceans around Bermuda... LOL! > But because the Tether locus exists where Medad > perceives the oceanic horizon to be, Medad himself can > never reach it. > Heaven, for Medad, is always just beyond the horizon. Wow. Tragic and poetic. I love this. =====

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__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:18:26 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... .... Ooooookay.... When I saw the bit about genital jokes, I thought perhaps the plot would be on the Great Lost Relic of antiquity. You see -- and I *swear* to all involved I'm not making any of this up -- relics of martyrs and saints in medieval times were pieces of the sanctified man's body. Bones and the like. Said bones would be placed in sites of holy pilgrimages, along with other holy artifacts (including obviously fake pieces of the True Cross or the nails what went through Jesus's hands and feet or the like). Well, the most sacred and potent of all relics would be a relic of Jesus Christ himself, only he left no bones behind. In being carried into Heaven, his body was taken along with. All of Jesus went forth into the light. Well, except for one bit, which had been separated some time before. He... er... *was* Jewish, remember. (There were many, many 'holy sites' set up throughout Christendom that claimed to have that Great Lost Relic. Honestly.) - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:58:29 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... At 09:18 AM 10/17/2002 -0400, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >Well, except for one bit, which had been separated some time before. He... >er... *was* Jewish, remember. The Great Lost Relic (also known as the *ahem* of Jesus) Relic/6 (Corporeal Song of Fruition), Reliquary/6 Always On, Creator/Owner Cannot Be Tracked You wondered why they kept relics in churches and cathedrals? This is the reason. Nobody's figured out yet whether this is a natural relic, a one-off by Eli, or a joke by Kobal; the former is rare enough as to be almost unheard-of - and yet is still canon in many doctrines - and you'd think there would be more of the latter, so most people assume that it's a little something Eli came up with on a particularly boring day. Saying this out loud certainly gives Dominic apoplexy, anyway. The Great Lost Relic is effectively a relic with the Corporeal Song of Fruition, but there are a few quirks: first, it's always on, and second, it doesn't seem to require Essence to operate (its range is about twenty feet). This is the reason why it's kept in a cathedral (or a church; it's also nearly invisible to celestial perceptions, and since there are so many fakes wandering around, nobody's quite sure which one is the real deal): it's the one kind of place in all of Christendom where inter-gender sexual contact is least likely. And if the *ahem* of Jesus is kept in a cathedral, locked away, the rest of the relics should get no better, hm? Cost: You're joking, right? Activation: None. The Great Lost Relic is always active. Adventure seeds: - - Amid accusations of child abuse among the clergy in Europe, there are whispered rumors that some of the young men being abused are, beyond all known laws of God and science, gravid with children. It turns out that all of these young men attended the same church, but there doesn't seem to be anything exceptional about the church, the clergy who serve there, or the abused boys - except for the church's oddly extensive treasury. - - Everyone's heard about Black Masses, unholy rituals held on sacred ground that involve orgies of sex, consumption, and destruction. Divine comeuppance for such events takes many forms - and might, this time, include a group of angels or Soldiers sneaking the Great Lost Relic into a church just before the Black Mass is to commence... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:20:08 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Digitates -- The Patterns, New Choir > Oh thanks. > Well I'm still working on revising the Digitates and getting the bugs > worked out of them as well as working on the rest of the Campaign > setting and actually gettting players for it.< You are welcome and thanks for replying. The whole setting sounds interesting adapting Transhuman space to IN. > However due to suggestions from > Archangel and others I'm probably going to make the Digitates be > actually a part of a greater archangel rather than be individual angels > themselves. This is the major sticking point for me because I want them > to be individual states or prosseses, much like on a computer, but all > controlled by the whole of their 'choir' or being.< Why not go with a 'group mind' mentality? That is they are individuals but because they 'network' so intimately, they can appear as the same mind. Like a constant telepathy where Jane KNOWS what Jill is thinking so when Calvin of another choir comes over to talk to who he believes is Jill, Jane can accurately talk to Calvin as if she was Jill. Not due to deception, but because Jane KNOWS Jill's mind so well they might as well be the same. However they each have their own likes or dislikes. In the example lets say what trips up Jane is she loves the color blue but Jill hate it. So when Calvin asks about the color, Jane can still give Jill's opinion, but her own expression of it may show through. Just a way to keep the original basis that they are all individuals, but in The Cluster, they can seem like they are all the same and in many ways they are. In this way they are probably the one choir most understanding about each other in Heaven because they can truely see the other Digitate's point of view intimately. >The Cluster in > heaven (Probably located in one of the back rooms of Yves library)< They could also be one of the choirs that get along best with The Library, as it seems to have a mind of its own. is > definatly going to be or at least have an archangel at its core.< This could also be that Archangel's cathedral? I would suggest Orc as that Archangel, though I admit bias as I have him as an AA in my game. Actually, I think this solves my problem of where is my Orc's cathedral. It is > only when the individual Digitates get seperated from the cluster that > they slowly begin to become truely individual, though I do not want this > prosses in and of itself to garner them dissonance. To put it another > way their "I" changes as they get and interact more closly to the whole > from refering to just themselves when they are seperated to refering to > the entire digitate being.< This could be made as simple as one always says "We" when around The Cluster and "I" when off on missions. > You have the right idea as far as their use goes and definatly not > preforming their function is dissonant to them. This is espechailly > true as I plan to add a couple of Hellbound computer and AI systems to > the game, the Matrix(controled by Asmodeus) and The B.E.A.S.T. which is > controled by Vapula(or at least thats what he thinks. Both of these > systems are goign to be designend from captured digitates either > entraped and forced into slavery(matrix) or from being basically > disected and courrupted(B.E.A.S.T.). Also there is going to be an > Etherial Computer node somewhere in the far marches possably as my > planned game revolves greatly around Etherial involvment.< Very nice! What does B.E.A.S.T. stand for by the way? And that is an awesome idea about an Ethereal node as well. > Finnaly I may very well work up some basic rules for angels and demons > on the net and in computers. Ideas range from small demonlings that > pose as games like solitare and slowly suck essence, emotion and > productivity from their unwitting players to Malakim specifically > trained to stalk the networks of Earth and Heaven for Hellish > corruptions.< Very nice ideas, I hope your players appreciate the richness of your ideas. I know I do! > Oh and No there are no conventions for naming just make it something > that sounds like a computer would call itself. > > Gerzel Thanks, I might do something like a random letter-letter-number system or something like that for their celestial names. Still working that out. Best wishes and my gratitude to you! Jeff =) Part of my insanity manifest at JCT, where In Nomine meets science fiction in the far future http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jctrinityRPG - -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:44:08 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... *skips, with a nod of appreciation for people polite enough -- and honest enough -- to label their work appropriately* Janet Anderson - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:02:02 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid... On Thursday, October 17, 2002, at 09:58 AM, EDG wrote: > At 09:18 AM 10/17/2002 -0400, Whistling in the Dark wrote: > >> Well, except for one bit, which had been separated some time before. >> He... er... *was* Jewish, remember. > > The Great Lost Relic Oh dear God... what I have I done? (Any minute now I'll stop laughing...) - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:04:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Randy Finder Subject: IN> What can't Eli create? (All of this is pre-1957) I've seen various stories that have had him creating everything from anti-matter to angels on earth to a vessel that can withstand hell... Any suggestions for things that he can't create? Randy - -- Leadership, Friendship and Service - Alpha Phi Omega ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:09:26 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> What can't Eli create? On Thursday, October 17, 2002, at 11:04 AM, Randy Finder wrote: > (All of this is pre-1957) > > I've seen various stories that have had him creating everything from > anti-matter to angels on earth to a vessel that can withstand hell... > > Any suggestions for things that he can't create? > A stone too big for him to li-- Oops. Sorry. Wrong notes. Seriously... that's not a hard one to answer. Eli can't create anything essentially Unholy. He couldn't create Unholy bullets, for example, or other Profane Artifacts. And when he *is* creating, he still needs the right tools and materials. (He can't make new human beings without some Primal Clay, for example -- if I have that right. I don't have a copy of the Reliquarum handy.) - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:12:27 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> The Urmeer Tether > The Urmeer Tether (the word is Ur-meer, primitive ocean, and may be older > than this source but I personally borrowed it from Roger Zelazny) is > possibly one of the largest on Earth. Its size can be inconvenient -- an > angel must travel several miles from Medad to use the Tether, and Medad > must be looking in the right direction -- but can also be exceedingly > useful defensively, since demons must either lure Medad on land or approach > through several miles of an angelic Tether to attack him. If Medad were > supporting a Heavenly assault on a coastal region, he could cause several > miles of beach to front directly onto his Tether by keeping an eye on the > ocean(and he knows Numinous Corpus: Eyes).< > William A marvelous idea William! I certainly hope you don't mind adaption? A general question, in my game, I have Tamiel, Seraph Archangel of the Deep By Erich Arendall, as the successor to Oannes. Would such a Tether be accessible by her? Thanks in advance. Jeff =) Part of my insanity manifest at JCT, where In Nomine meets science fiction in the far future http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jctrinityRPG - -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:23:46 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> What can't Eli create? At 11:04 AM 10/17/2002 -0400, Randy Finder wrote: >Any suggestions for things that he can't create? 1) Eli is the Archangel of Creation, and represents God's hand outside of the Lower Heavens. He can create anything that God would allow, but cannot create anything that is an abomination before the Lord. 2) Even Eli has limits. He *is* only an Archangel, and therefore can't create anything beyond his scope (such as new planes of existence, new Gods, or a soul which has already met its destiny). 3) Eli is a figment of our imaginations: we see him as an Archangel simply because we need some way to manifest the Act of Creating. There is nothing Eli can't create, because he is creation itself. 4) Eli is the Archangel of Creation, and represents All Of Creation (as opposed to the Act of Creating). (This is the view favored by many on this list, as I recall.) He can therefore create anything that *somebody else has thought of first* - but has nothing original to add. (This is likely best for a dark game.) 5) Eli is the Archangel of Creation, and represents All Of Creation (as opposed to the Act of Creating). He can therefore create anything that fits within the existing boundaries of the existing realms of creation, but nothing that extends or exceeds those realms. Just some thoughts. I tend to go with the first, myself. - -EDG ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2824 ********************************