in_nomine-digest Monday, October 21 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2828 In this digest: Re: Batman (Was Re: IN> New Discord) Re: IN> Reverse Engineering of Fallen Angels IN> Info on Oannes Re: IN> New Discord Re: Batman (Was Re: IN> New Discord) Re: IN> Info on Oannes Re: Batman (Was Re: IN> New Discord) Re: IN> Info on Oannes Re: IN> Info on Oannes Re: IN> The Urmeer Tether IN> A Study of the Nature of Hardcore Re: IN> IN1's Behind the Symphony. IN> Project Silence - Essential hardware #1 Re: Batman (Was Re: IN> New Discord) IN> Archangel of Song. Re: IN> A Study of the Nature of Hardcore IN> Lucifer's Sigil. IN> Batman (Was Re: IN> New Discord) Re: IN> Lucifer's Sigil. Re: IN> Batman (Was Re: IN> New Discord) Re: IN> Lucifer's Sigil. Re: IN> A Study of the Nature of Hardcore Re: IN> Project Silence - Essential hardware #1 Re: IN> A Study of the Nature of Hardcore Re: IN> Project Silence - Essential hardware #1 Re: IN> Lucifer's Sigil. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:52:31 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: Batman (Was Re: IN> New Discord) Christopher Anthony writes: > This is my opinion, and probably not worth the two cents it's printed > on, but: > > I think this entire discussion has missed the point. > > *Batman is a hero, not a superhero.* > Actuallty, I find that I agree with this wholeheartedly. If one really wanted to put Batman into IN terms, I would have him as a mortal (maybe a Soldier of Judgment at the -most-), who is just really pumped on Forces and personal desire for something better. I simply wanted to have a funny excuse for my Discord originally :D --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:07:59 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Reverse Engineering of Fallen Angels > >Sirea go sleep now -.-;; *THUD!* > --- >Sirea, Tired Cherub IST Exhaustion, Angel who Needs More Sleep Than 5 Hours >a Bloody Night VVJosh suddenly Falls and, strangely, becomes a HabbaliteVV Sleep is for the WEAK! ::starts self tattooing:: I'll be sure to post an Angel of College Papers IST Nightmares (yes, a Habbie) after tonight/morrow and the paper written in the interim. A blurry-eyed, Josh ~_~' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:55:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Burzelic Subject: IN> Info on Oannes As the subject says I need to know where to find as much info on this long-gone Archangel (and Vephar as I have been led to believe he is related to this angel)canon and non. Thank you in advance. Jim __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:27:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New Discord - --- Josh Moger wrote: > As for the 60's... oy. Batman shouldn't be IST > Children... it just doesn't > fit. Superman would fit more. Nah, Supes is a Seraph of the Sword for sure. > Joel Shumacher's movies are an > obvious sign that Hell's gotten back into the game and > that the Media is > trying to take apart the modern Batman's (Yeah, going > with Gabriel for this one) Role. Amen to that! > if anything Joker is a servitor of Nightmares. Powerful > one at that. Can't figure out which band. They all fit > to a bit. I'd go with Punisher myself, he's certainly crazy enough. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:30:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: Batman (Was Re: IN> New Discord) - --- Christopher Anthony wrote: > *Batman is a hero, not a superhero.* > > He's not an angel, or a demon, of *anything*. He doesn't > have any > special powers. He can't take celestial form and go home > when he > doesn't feel like fighting anymore. Batman is, at his > core, *human*. > He's not even superhuman. He's just insanely skilled, > obscenely > wealthy, and occasionally really, really lucky. Good point. But calling him a Gray Soldier doesn't quite get it right -- he's most definitely on the side of the angels. He just doesn't like working within their limitations. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"If you succeed, you will make some false friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway." - -- Bishop David M. Copeland

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 23:31:55 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: Batman (Was Re: IN> New Discord) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Walton" To: Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: Re: Batman (Was Re: IN> New Discord) [snip] > Good point. But calling him a Gray Soldier doesn't quite > get it right -- he's most definitely on the side of the > angels. He just doesn't like working within their limitations. I usually am tempted to call Batman a Soldier of War for one reason... and it's reflected in this following exchange from "JLA: World War III" - ------ Huntress -- Did I just see you cheating? Batman -- *Winning*. - ------ - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 10:29:50 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Seraph=20Descending?= Subject: Re: IN> Info on Oannes --- Jim Burzelic wrote: > As the subject says I need to know where to find as > much info on this long-gone Archangel (and Vephar as > I > have been led to believe he is related to this > angel)canon and non. Thank you in advance. > You'll find (non-canon) writeups for both superiors on my webpage: http://www.geocities.com/archangel_nine/innomine.html both probably need a little tuning however. - -Fallenseraph __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 10:28:25 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Info on Oannes At 8:51 PM -0700 10/20/02, Michael Walton wrote: >IPG, pp. 12-13; >LC, p. 99; >GMG, pp. 23, 26, 92-93, 98 Superiors 3, p. 52 -- which doesn't have a Choir listed, apparently. I must have jumped timelines again... - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 23:02:24 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> The Urmeer Tether Catch up time again with the emails. I apologize ahead of time for the multiple replies. > Medad would surely know that an Archangel had claimed the Tether -- he > himself, however, would still be Outcast, unless this status of the Grigori > has changed in your game. > > Have fun! > > William Thanks! I hope to. As for Grigori, still deciding about them. I have the Final Trumpet blowing in the year 77,000,000 AD, using the odd combination of "And I Feel Fine" series By Earl Wajenberg and Novalis Victory by Moe Lane. I am just not sure where to bring the Grigori back in. Earl had an excellent in for them, however, I'm not sure I want to wait that long in the timeline. Any ideas anyone? Jeff =) Part of my insanity manifest at JCT, where In Nomine meets science fiction in the far future http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jctrinityRPG - -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:15:28 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: IN> A Study of the Nature of Hardcore While sitting in my Philosophy class this morning, I eventually started to daydream a little, since todays lesson was a bit of a recap on things that I didn't need to pay much attention to. Anyways, the teacher mentioned the Id, Ego, and Superego, and his description of the Id in particular sparked my interest and got me thinking to In Nomine a bit. I wondered, who would best qualify as DP of the Id? Andre was a first thought, but after a few minutes my thoughts drifted more to Furfur, Prince of Hardcore. Reading the list and some old digests, I find most people divided on the use of Furfur in a game. Some people liked him, others thought he was useless, as his Word did little and had no meaning. Now, I think I have something about him figured out, and can even qualify him for a historic campaign setting if possible. Take his Word, Hardcore, and look it up in the dictionary. It's listed as being intensly loyal (another reason why he makes a good AA of Zeal, off-topic), stubbornly resistant, or extremely graphic or explicit. And thats the dictionary reference alone. In addition, common slang has made hardcore to describe anyone who is really tough or extreme in nature, and this can also be applied to a situation or place, such as a ravaged village or wasteland being "hardcore". Already, Furfur has some decent power right there. But then go a little bit further, taking the time to stretch his Word. It can also mean the Id, the ultimate in Calabite and even demonic mindset, the part of you that only -desires- and -wants- and -needs- and cares little to nothing for others, a fundamental part of how a demon acts. It is selfish and total desire, ignorant of everything else, the giving into any and all desires no matter how dark or wrong, siomply because you want to and MUST. If you add this powerful Id aspect to the Word of Furfur, amplify it by his Calabite nature and devotion to Hell from the other part of his Word, and he suddenly becomes a powerful Prince, that within a few years, will be able to hold his own with the major players, even butting in on other Words. But it all depends on how you view Hardcore... personally, with the way it can easily be expanded and interpreted, Furfur is not nearly as weak and pathetic as one may think. The boy has a lot of potential :D so again, it depends... he can be the DP of Zeal, of Extremes, of Resistance, of Explicedness, of the Id and Desire, and even Selfishness, making him in a sense the Demon Prince of Demons, far more potent than even the Word of Destruction. Comments? Ideas? Snowballs with rocks in them? ;) --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:26:01 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> IN1's Behind the Symphony. On Sunday, October 20, 2002, at 11:35 AM, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > Okay -- Whistling, you're good. Here I am going through my backlog of > messages, and I see this bit, and my first instinct is to point out > there were no Grigori _before_ the Fall. It took me >THIS< long to > remember that Azrael is non-canonical in Choir/Band/whatever. > > And it's all your fault. > > O:> > Awww... thanks. Credit where it's due, of course, should go to David, whose writeup is the basis of my Azrael bits in Dawn, which should have more material coming out later this week. (I *will* get through to the point where the situation is set up, and mechanics posted. I swear.) - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:31:30 +0000 From: "Michael Cleveland" Subject: IN> Project Silence - Essential hardware #1 YOU HAVE ATTEMPTED TO OPEN A RESTRICTED FILE FROM AN IP ADDRESS NOT RECOGNIZED BY THE NETWORK. INPUT YOUR RECOGNITION CODE TO INITIATE DOWNLOAD. ****-*********-**-******-*-** ACCESS GRANTED, USER *****-** DOWNLOAD COMPLETE REMOVING ENCRYPTION - \ | / - \ | / * CONVERTING DIGITAL TO PLAIN TEXT Contents - This file contains schematics for constructing a short range EDE (Extra Dimensional Entity) detection device, as well as commentary from a researcher from Sub-Project Ice House. - --------- If you're reading this file, then you're most likely cleared for the construction of this device, and you're probably in a position to need something like this at some point in your duties. During the course of your standard 'Silencing' missions, standardized equipment or instructions will obviate the need for a 'makeshift' device. Icehouse protocol requires me to remind all of you that you should always use only that equipment that has been specifically authorized by Command. The safety of the Project, not to mention the safety and well-being of your teammates and yourself should always take precedence over personal preferences, individual initiative, or personal glory. That being said, when on long term recons or when cut off from command, the unwritten rule applies as always. To better protect yourself, you must have portable and concealable methods to figure who amonst your enemies is the alien theat and who are collaborators or dupes. In order to build this device, you will need the following items - - - Two small, round magnets with holes in center - - An engraving tool - - Adhesive (glue or epoxy - do NOT use tape) - - Two three foot long cords (as in wearing, not as in plugging in) - - A knife - - A hammer - - A pair of metal tongs - - Either an anvil or a concrete floor - - A heat source (kitchen stoves will work - lighters will not) - - The image file contained in the encryption protocols - - A 'decent sized' disc of soft, conductive metal, ideally copper Once you have the items on the list, make sure that you are well rested and that your personal psychokinetic reserves are at capacity. Once you're certain that you're capable of facing off against anything the Project would ask you for, we can begin the procedure. Understand that this is written for -all- members of the project, so if it 'talks down' to you, understand that it's nothing personal. 1. First, take the two magnets, and determine which ends try to push away from each other. Once you've determined that, use the adhesive to stick them together so that the two are trying to push each other away constantly. Hold them together for a while, as they will try to break apart. Repeated applications of adhesive are not only encouraged, but probably necessary. It doesn't have to look pretty, but the center hole must be intact and be able to pass things through it. 2. Next, you'll need the image file from the encrypt. What you'll be doing here is carving the different runes, squares and sigils into the disc. Before you do that, you'll have to be sure that you have the images locked into the proper sections of your mind. You may have some trepidation about doing what you consider to be 'hocus pocus'or 'witchcraft' - get that out of your head for a second. What you're doing is not supernatural - I could really technical about all this, but all you need to know is this - these two dimensional images, once traced using psychokinetic energy, become very real objects in the extradimensional realms that humanity typically doesn't have access to. You're basically carving circuits for an extradimensional machine. Think of yourself as a blind electrician - you may not be able to see the lights come on, but they -are- there, and they do come on nonetheless. Now that we've got that out of the way, look at the series of lines on the left hand corner. Start following it with your eyes, and start visualizing what sort of shape it would make. You might come to the conclusion that it doesn't mean anything - if that happens, relax and start tracing it in your mind again. Once you either get a very sharp and sudden headache or feel something in the back of your chest 'heat up and solidify', then you've got the mental circuitry complete. Now you start engraving - don't bother with printing it out and tracing it, just look at the picture and draw it on the metal. If it looks like it's 'pretty close', then we're ready to move to the next phase. 3. Once you've got the sigils drawn, take your knife and cut yourself with it. Take the blood and let it flow onto the metal until it coats the entire surface. Take extra special care to make sure that the sigils are covered. Once the blood has dried completely (and once you've taken the chance to doctor yourself up) proceed to the next step. 4. Take the disc and start heating it with your heat source. I'll warn you now that this part is going to smell -bad-, and the scent of burning human blood is enough to turn weaker stomachs. If you get sick, that's ok - it probably won't affect the device - but make sure that you don't stop. You can clean up later. Also, make sure that you use proper protection and use either heavy gloves or oven mitts while handling the tongs and the hot metal. After about 10-15 minutes, the metal should be hot enough to work with. Start beating the metal until it starts getting thin. If it breaks, heat it back up and start hitting it again, taking care to fold the metal pieces into each other several times. If you used copper, this will be extremely easy. What we're trying to do is make wire out of this metal, by way of thinning it and then stretching it out. You may have a bunch left over - this is fine. It'll give you extra materials if you ever need to make another one, so hang on to it. 5. Now that we've created wire that's been dimensionally primed, take your two cords and your wire and braid them together. Pass the braided cord/wire through the magnets we glued together earlier. Find an acceptable length for the cord and then tie it so that it hangs comfortably around your neck. Once you have done that, sit or lie down someplace as the next part is unpleasant. 6. Once you have the cords tied, it is now time to place the initial charge into the device. To do this, hold the magnets in your hands pressed against your chest, and then 'push' all of your psychokinetic energy into the magnets. You'll know if it worked, as the device will slam itself into your chest rather violently. You may potentially crack ribs in the charging process, but this is much preferably to the result that happens if you hold the thing further away from you, as several late members of the Project learned all too painfully. The device should now be complete. To activate it, simply 'push' a little psychokinetic energy into the device and make a 360 degree rotation. The device will slowly push itself away from people with elevated levels of psychokinetic energy, which will presumably be either extra-dimensional collaborators or the extradimensionals themselves. Once you feel the magnets pressing against you, you should be able to identify its source though process of elimination. The charge will only last for several minutes, but it should provide you with just the added advantage you need to determine who is who and what is what... *****************END OF FILE****************** (Game notes) This is a sorcerous device that is specifically designed for creation by un-knowing personnel. The carving of the runes and sigils, as well as the forging process of the metal serve as the mental focusing component of the ritual. Creating this artifact can do damage to the creator - Steps 2 and 3 will do a combined 4 Mind hits, due to the nature of his self-inflicted injuries and the mental strain of charging the runes, unless the maker is a sorcerer and in consciously aware of what he is doing. Step 6 will also do 3 corporeal hits in bruising and/or cracked bones. The sensitivity of the device is controlled by the amount of essence used in its initial creation - this has some drawbacks, as while a higher essence threshold makes it more likely to detect celestials, it makes it less likely to detect soldiers or celestials without a full essence supply. Once activated by spending 1 point of essence, roll for the activation. The amulet / device will function for approximately 5 minutes times the check digit of the activation roll. On a Divine Intervention, the device will work as it was truly meant to, detecting all celestials, ethereals or soldiers regardless of actual essence reserves. On an Infernal Intervention, the bonding between the magnets finally gives way, resulting in the magnets flying apart at high speed and making a loud disturbance, usually accompanied by a thud. This device can be defeated by a knowing celestial by transferring his essence into another being, by the use of an ethereal shield, or use of an attunement that blocks information gathering, such as Humanity. Michael Cleveland Gulf Coast Geotech _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 00:43:58 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: Batman (Was Re: IN> New Discord) > * Operating on the theory that new natural Forces are unlocked through > stressful events (positive or negative): > > Force 1: Discovering the Batcave (and being attacked by bats) > Force 2: Watching his parents get shot > Force 3: The installation of the Batsignal > Force 4: The death of Robin< Thank you! I know I had not come up with any rule that addressed how extra forces are added onto humans. Good points as well about Batman, though I do lean towards the Dominic camp for who would be the best for him. Jeff =) Part of my insanity manifest at JCT, where In Nomine meets science fiction in the far future http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jctrinityRPG - -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:52:24 -0600 From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" Subject: IN> Archangel of Song. Who was the elusive Archangel of Song? I'll stick with the "was" part of that question, and let someone else tackle the "is"... - -------------------- Gebuthelon Grigori of Purity Corporeal Forces: 4 Strength 10 Agility 6 Ethereal Forces: 3 Intelligence 6 Precision 6 Celestial Forces: 4 Perception 9 Will 7 Vessel: Human male/3 Role: "Amnan"/3, a very large, bearded hunter. (Status of 3) Skills: Artistry/1, Climbing/3, Detect Lies/2, Dodge/3, Fighting/3, Large Weapon/3 (Spear), Medicine/2, Move Silently/5, Ranged Weapon/4 (Spear), Singing/6, Survival/5, Swimming/2, Tracking/3 Songs: Charm (Corporeal/2, Celestial/2), Fruition (Corporeal/2), Healing (Corporeal/4), Laughter (Corporeal/1), Purity (Corporeal/3, Ethereal/1, Celestial/1), Shields (Corporeal/3) [*] Attunements: Grigori of Purity, Seraph of Purity, Ripples [*] Gebuthelon has managed to learn Songs without the aid of a Superior. He probably has discerned several other Songs that Uriel or his companions may not know he has. - -------------------- Created by Uriel over a thousand years after the Fall, Gebuthelon is a young angel with an old mindset. He had only existed for a few years when he was sent on his first mission; one of Adam's immortal sons was building a city thousands of years before cities were meant to be. Along with several ancient angels, Gebuthelon discovered the nature of the threat and helped end it. He witnesses his master Uriel and the Archangel Gabriel create the Biblical flood that destroyed the city while he and his companions drifted out to sea on the ark. This initial experience left the Grigori contemplating the place of angels in the Symphony... after all, if Eli hadn't created Adam, Seth would not have been born and there would be no need to clean up after Seth's meddling. Gebuthelon came to believe that the less angels do, the more they help humanity. He certainly did not approve of his companion's complicated plans -- it was complicated plans that forced them to go to Earth in the first place! He especially disapproved of the most senior of his companions, the complex and conflicted Angel of Clarity. The primal Cherub hesitated and avoided what Gebuthelon felt were the obvious answers. The long journey on the ark gave Gebuthelon much more time to consider his thoughts. He didn't act when he saw land that the other lookouts failed to see. When the mortal humans on board the ark grew ill, he refrained from taking action and let the other angels do as they saw fit. In either case, he was sure the older celestials didn't want his opinion anyway, and suspected that both his low choir and his youth were the causes for their hostility. He grew distant from the other angels, but that suited him fine; they served Superiors who got them into the mess they were now fixing, or, in the case of Clarity, a former servitor of Lucifer, no Superiors at all! Bound to Purity as he was and having had little time to understand other viewpoints, Gebuthelon was repelled by the other angels and spent a lot of time alone. This isolation meant he was able to enjoy the Symphony without interruption and he spent many nights meditating alone. Gebuthelon felt emotions purely, and his pure depression gave him cause to seek out a cure. It was during this time that he accidentally rediscovered the Corporeal Song of Laughter. Knowing that the Angel of Clarity was a friend of Kobal's before the fall, Gebuthelon keenly sensed that the old angel felt a kind of protective pride concerning the songs Kobal had taught him. Rather than cause more dissent and bad feelings, Gebuthelon kept his discovery a secret. After landing, Gebuthelon and the other angels spent several decades guiding and protecting the humans they rescued, and the Grigori learned many other song during his quiet wanderings. He also began to experience the Corporeal world with a little more vigor after Noah taught him the joys of wine. Despite his massive frame and hardy constitution, Gebuthelon developed quite an addiction as he threw himself into his role as a human. Gluttony and lust, however, are two sins that he has so far avoided, and will probably continue to avoid; he and his companions left the tribe to move on to other business, and the quiet Watcher does not know when he will be with humans again. - -------------------- Although he was criticized by Dominic for his love of alcohol during a chance encounter, Gebuthelon does have a future as an important angel. Uriel sees Gebuthelon's natural affinity for Songs as a way to simplify the Symphony, and is pushing the Grigori for the Word of Song. Uriel believes that a Grigori of Purity bound to the Word of Song -- and, by extension, the Symphony -- might have prevented the original Fall, and has been waiting patiently to see if any of his Grigori were perceptive enough to pick individual Songs out of the Symphony. Gebuthelon is therefore a major project for him. The Seraphim Council didn't debate candidates in those days, so Gebuthelon will probably get the Word despite his minor problems. After that, the raw power of the Word of Song will catapault Gebuthelon above his peers and into the realm of Superior candidates. Yves knows the hopes of Uriel -- that Gebuthelon will be an Archangel -- but fears what will occur after that, for the Destiny of all Grigori is a complicated one indeed. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 01:52:39 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> A Study of the Nature of Hardcore > Furfur is not nearly as > weak and pathetic as one may think. The boy has a lot of potential :D so > again, it depends... he can be the DP of Zeal, of Extremes, of Resistance, > of Explicedness, of the Id and Desire, and even Selfishness, making him in a > sense the Demon Prince of Demons, far more potent than even the Word of > Destruction. > > Comments? Ideas? Snowballs with rocks in them? ;) > --- > Sirea< I admit to not being impressed with DP of Hardcore, which is why I generally went with Charles Phipps' version of Furfur as the DP of Destruction. However, when seen in the light of zeal or extremes, it does give more a picture how he might be used with his Word of Hardcore as oppose to changing it. I hadn't thought about a redeemed version, AA of Zeal. Good suggestion. In either case, he should be the celestial leading the way down the paths, almost fanatical, but always giving his all. When looked at it through the version of zeal, he and his servitors can be counted on going overboard and being called on when you know you want a job done. Not subtley, but not being distracted by anything else. Of course looking at them through the view of extremes, he is the role model, the ones in every word that is the gentlemen's gentlement, the demon's demon or the angel's angel, depending on if he's redeemed. The type that just might attract the other Word's most zealous servitors sinc! e with Furfur they can turn it up a notch. Just thoughts. Jeff =) Part of my insanity manifest at JCT, where In Nomine meets science fiction in the far future http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jctrinityRPG - -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:55:31 -0600 From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" Subject: IN> Lucifer's Sigil. There are stories in the books about one of Blandine's Menunum taking her sigil to the Seraphim Council to vote on her behalf. This got me to wondering... is this sigil an artifact? And if so, what does it do? And if Lucifer had one before the Fall, despite the fact that there was no Seraphim Council back then, what would his sigil do? I'm thinking about introducing Lucifer's Sigil into my campaign and am curious what everyone else thinks it should be. Ben "You're all the things I've got to remember." - -- A-ha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:07:07 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Batman (Was Re: IN> New Discord) > And working for demons? He'd rather die. He seems to work well with Etrigan. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:21:22 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Lucifer's Sigil. At 11:55 AM 10/21/2002 -0600, Rampaging Crypto-Man wrote: >There are stories in the books about one of Blandine's Menunum taking her >sigil to the Seraphim Council to vote on her behalf. This got me to >wondering... is this sigil an artifact? Probably not. Not everything an Archangel touches becomes an artifact/relic/whatever, and Blandine's Sigil is, more than likely, simply a signet that allows the bearer to speak as if Blandine herself were speaking. If it has any special qualities, they are probably limited to the uniqueness of the signet. >And if so, what does it do? And if >Lucifer had one before the Fall, despite the fact that there was no Seraphim >Council back then, what would his sigil do? He wouldn't, unless he needed to appoint a representative to speak on his behalf to another Archangel - which, given Superior multiplicity, he wouldn't be very likely to do. (Blandine sends representatives to the Council because she doesn't want to go, not because she can't, IIRC.) >I'm thinking about introducing Lucifer's Sigil into my campaign and am >curious what everyone else thinks it should be. If Lucifer's Sigil exists, it will probably be nothing more than a signet ring or a tattered banner, each of which would bear the sigil itself. This would be valuable to Demon Princes simply so that they could either a) lord it over *other* Princes, or b) present it to Lucifer in an attempt to gain favor. The only ones I can see who wouldn't do either would be Kronos (who would be just as likely to put it in his Archives and let everybody else forget about it) and Valefor (who'd want to keep it for himself). If it left Heaven, on the other hand, the Archangels as a body would want it back, possibly out of the simple fear that if Lucifer ever regained his sigil (in the form of the signet or banner), he might be able to claim a vote in the Council... - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:22:59 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Batman (Was Re: IN> New Discord) At 02:07 PM 10/21/2002 -0400, BC Petery wrote: > > And working for demons? He'd rather die. > >He seems to work well with Etrigan. Note the preposition. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:24:53 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Lucifer's Sigil. >There are stories in the books about one of Blandine's Menunum taking her >sigil to the Seraphim Council to vote on her behalf. This got me to >wondering... is this sigil an artifact? And if so, what does it do? And if >Lucifer had one before the Fall, despite the fact that there was no Seraphim >Council back then, what would his sigil do? > >I'm thinking about introducing Lucifer's Sigil into my campaign and am >curious what everyone else thinks it should be. > >Ben There isn't really any other description of it. I would imagine it's simply an artwork that suits each Superior, a relic or (non-canon) "Essence construct" which has whatever authority they care to delegate to the holder. The sigil itself is presumably a statement, "I represent this Superior in this matter," that can be resonated for Truth by Seraphim and Archangels, and that anyone can see has Superior-level ineffability about it. Since you can say, in Heaven, "This Superior told me her vote was this, etc.", in Angelic (and thus be automatically checked for truth insofar as you believe it), the sigil is presumably a formality introduced after the Fall (perhaps to combat Balseraphic resonance tricking someone into saying the same thing while someone else kept that Superior away from the meeting of the Council). This by no means prevents Lucifer from having one that he created after the Fall, though. Having some demon show up and flash a relic which implies that he is the representative of the Devil on Earth should be enough to scare any sane being. William ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:30:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Shih Subject: Re: IN> A Study of the Nature of Hardcore - --- Jeffery Watkins wrote: > Of course > looking at them through the view of extremes, he is > the role model, the ones in every word that is the > gentlemen's gentlemen Furfur is a valet? Oh, dear. Am having very bad thoughts about Jeeves, Soldier of Hardcore. Jennifer __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:20:50 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Project Silence - Essential hardware #1 At 4:31 PM +0000 10/21/02, Michael Cleveland wrote: First: KEEN. Second: >Step 6 will also do 3 corporeal hits in bruising and/or cracked bones. What about some kind of armor? E.g., Kevlar, or even just a metal plate of some kind between oneself and the thingumie? - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:40:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> A Study of the Nature of Hardcore - --- sirea@softhome.net wrote: > I wondered, who would best qualify as DP of the Id? Furfur and Andre could certainly qualify, but I suspect that they'd have to fight Beleth for it. The whole "monsters from the Id" thing from Forbidden Planet has Nightmares written all over it. =====

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__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:53:19 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Project Silence - Essential hardware #1 I remember having read your story about this on the Collection, and having liked it quite a bit. This is also good... but as for rib cracking, can't the person just wear some kind of armor? Or does this interfere with the ritual? Good work either way ^_^ --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:53:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Lucifer's Sigil. - --- Rampaging Crypto-Man wrote: > There are stories in the books about one of Blandine's > Menunum taking her > sigil to the Seraphim Council to vote on her behalf. > This got me to > wondering... is this sigil an artifact? And if so, what > does it do? Idea off the top of my head; a Superior Sigil is a Relic made from a piece of that Superior's Heart (that detail alone guarantees that only the most trusted Servitors will even be trusted with knowledge of what it looks like, let alone be allowed to handle it). The Sigil allows a weaker version of Superior multitasking by making the angel or demon an extension of the Superior -- the carrier is in light rapport with the Superior while holding the Sigil. This is empathic rather than telepathic contact; the carrier can tell whether or not the Superior is pleased with a situation within the carrier's current perception. In simple terms, the carrier can listen in on a Seraphim Council/DP meeting and know how the Superior would vote on the issue at hand. A secondary aspect of the Sigil's power -- which AA's usually tell their Servitors about but DP's rarely do -- is that the rapport is two-way. The Superior can monitor the carrier's words and actions while the Sigil is held. This means that the Superior knows instantly if the carrier does something that the Superior would not approve of. As to Lucifer's Sigil, the original heavenly version is no more. It was made from a piece of his Heart, so it shattered with his Heart when he Fell. This doesn't prevent him from having made a new one from his demonic Heart, however, nor does it prevent him from giving his Sigil to a Celestial who captures his interest. Lucifer wouldn't necessarily tell the recipient what the object was, either. =====

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