in_nomine-digest Saturday, October 26 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2835 In this digest: Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy Re: IN> Who is faster, Janus or Gabriel? RE: IN> Who is faster, Janus or Gabriel? Stupid Ofanite on motorcycle tricks (was Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid...) IN> Songs about Choirs Re: IN> Who is faster, Janus or Gabriel? Re: IN> Who is faster, Janus or Gabriel? IN> Um. Hello again... Re: IN> Um. Hello again... IN> Cochlear implants -- inventions of Hell! IN> Malakite Hunter! [BalProp Alert] IN> Just a thought. IN> [new Band] Demalakim Re: IN> Just a thought. Re: IN> [new Band] Demalakim Re: IN> [new Band] Demalakim Re: IN> [new Band] Demalakim IN> Careful what you ask... Re: IN> Careful what you ask... Re: IN> Careful what you ask... IN> New artifact RE: IN> [new Band] Demalakim Re: IN> Servitors of Jordi At Play? Re: IN> Careful what you ask... Re: IN> [new Band] Demalakim IN> INverse Superior: Marc, Impudite Demon Prince of the Deal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:02:17 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy At 10:41 AM -0700 10/25/02, Michael Walton wrote: [...] >> Tebah didn't say whether or not it bothered him that the >> semis had given way. > > A little vicarious road rage, Beth? 0:> Not much -- I just know how SUVs drive..... - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 10:35:24 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Who is faster, Janus or Gabriel? > Shhhh... > > Janet, let the Michael Fanboys be. You'll get them all atwitter if you > suggest that there is ANYTHING Michael can't do better than anyone else. Well, actually you could call *me* a Michael Fanboy, er, Fangirl. But my suggestion still applies. (And I'd bet on Superman.) > A foot race with multi-locational beings has its drawbacks anyway A foot race with multi-locational beings is meaningless. I assume the relative speeds were determined by contests in Heaven where, as it were, the playing field is level. Janet Anderson - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 10:39:04 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: RE: IN> Who is faster, Janus or Gabriel? > What if, in a Dark setting, Michael discerns that the only > way to fire up the Host strongly enough to defeat the Horde > at Armageddon is to torture and murder Christopher, and then > frame Lucifer for it? It's entirely possible that he would > choose not to do that, and thus open up at least a faint > potential for Hell's victory. Better yet, what if you substitute "Novalis" for "Christopher?" Then a) she might actually be willing to let him do it, if it would end the War, and b) if, as so many people maintain, he's in love with her, the angst and internal conflict would be even stronger. Although how, exactly, does a Seraph go about framing someone? Especially when another Seraph (Dominic) would be investigating? Janet Anderson - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:48:38 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Stupid Ofanite on motorcycle tricks (was Re: IN> I don't think that I dare Crosspost this to Pyramid...) At 23:55 -0400 10/17/2002, Eric Bertish wrote: >> (including "Moe, what's the Power of a motorcycle?"), and at least two > >Context: My wahoo Ofanite of Destiny was in the final combat with the Djinn, >and I didn't want to get off said motorcycle. So, I ran one of them over, >parked the rear wheel over his face.... and revved the engine. The *look* on >Moe's face.... Then there was my Windy Ofanite, who has Lasso skill (this was run under GURPS IN). She (at the time) dropped said lasso around the neck of a rather annoying Bal while riding past at about 30 mph, then gunned the cycle. (Did I mention it's a racing cycle?) Our Line Editor (who had unwisely decided to GM) had to decide how much damage *that* did. Unfortunately, it wasn't enough -- the Bal had *way* too many hit points.... (Don't blame me -- she *told* me to post this. And the game's still going on, so....) - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:07:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Randy Finder Subject: IN> Songs about Choirs I was listening to LA song by Beth Hart on the radio. http://www.djmagic.com/lisa/lasong.htm Given that the entire song is about leaving and going back to LA, talking about taking and giving it away and thinking that heaven doesn't want her... Almost sounds like a song about a Discordant Impudite too ashamed to try to redeem. Randy - -- Leadership, Friendship and Service - Alpha Phi Omega ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:58:00 -0600 From: ben@zianet.com Subject: Re: IN> Who is faster, Janus or Gabriel? >> Janet, let the Michael Fanboys be. You'll get them all atwitter if you >> suggest that there is ANYTHING Michael can't do better than anyone else. > > I'm not sure if this is fanboyism so much as just Michael's > character concept. Michael is far down my list of favorite angels, but let me explain my viewpoint in a little more detail: Michael is the most physically powerful angel and whenever he competes -- whether fighting, arguing with other Archangels, or whatever -- it's completely against his nature to lose. As far as I can tell, he's never lost. He fought Lucifer and won. He was called before the Inquisition and won, because God pardoned him, proving that he was right. He even fought Laurence, the very essence of single combat, and (so the rumors go) won. The thing with Michael is he is the ultimate Seraph and every action he takes is evidence of God's Truth... even something as mundane and petty as a race. By winning, he proves that he, and, by extension, God, is right. That's why he can't lose. Furthermore, he knows the Truth and would know if he could beat someone. Can you imagine the embodiment of competition bowing out of a competition because he knows he'll lose? That's counter to his very being. And if he knew he would win, he wouldn't just say so. Remember that Michael believes in proving that he's right. I believe that on a day-to-day basis, there may be many entites that move faster than Michael, but when it comes down to actual competition between the first angel and any other being in creation, he will win, no matter what it takes. My belief isn't fanboyism. I'm not a huge fan of Michael's. I just agree strongly that he is the physical manifestation of the Truth of God and portray him this way in my games. I can see how someone would disagree with this concept, which isn't expicitely supported by Canon, and say that someone else's Word might triumph over Michael's. Fire, the Wind, Theft and Lightning are all good candidates of Words that might best Michael's in your game. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:28:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Unni Solaas Subject: Re: IN> Who is faster, Janus or Gabriel? On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 ben@zianet.com wrote: > Michael (...) He was called before the Inquisition and > won, because God pardoned him, proving that he was right. Erm. Being pardoned is not the same as being judged Not Guilty. From what I understand Michael was guilty up to his top set of eyeballs and beyond. The Archangel of Judgement found him Guilty as charged, and before Punishment could set in - God got involved. The verdict probably stands, but Michael was _pardoned_. Because God more than probably couldn't afford to lose him. To this day this smarts Michael. He _lost_ that battle, and against that wimpy Dominic no less. Daddy had to come and bail him out. And it wasn't even a proper battle - just this inane, stupid charge of Vainglory! Gah! It's enough to make any Archangel of War grit its teeth. ;) - -- language, n; an intangible artificial construct for obscuring one's meanings and intentions to others. -ppint. Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 05:57:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Bergstresser Subject: IN> Um. Hello again... Hi all -- I was subscribed a couple years ago, before my last campaign gave up the ghost, and I've just resubscribed because I'm thinking about starting up another one and my happy pills give me insomnia so I've been up for the past four hours poking around and I had a question I needed to post, which is: What's the deal with the archives? The ones on sjgames.com appear to be broken. Search doesn't work, and they stop at August 2001. I've got a number of questions I'm sure have been beaten to a thin red puddle by now, and I'd really prefer to browse the archive to catch up. Could someone fill me in? - -- Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:23:06 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Um. Hello again... At 05:57 AM 10/26/2002 -0700, you wrote: > What's the deal with the archives? For some reason, the auto-archiver simply stopped working in late August 2001, and I haven't been able to start it up again. I don't know what caused the fault, but I'm working to remedy the situation. In the meantime, I am trying to upload digests manually to the sjgames.com server; the ones I've successfully uploaded so far are here: http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/new/digests/ Currently, I have uploaded all digests from December 31, 2001 to July 4, 2002. I hope that I can get this number to increase in the near future. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:14:17 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Cochlear implants -- inventions of Hell! No offense meant "djd," but... > cultural genocide Every time I hear someone complain that their "culture is being destroyed" when their kids make decisions for themselves I equate it with the phrase, "We fear change." > "Do you feel lucky, punk?" Rush Limbaugh pulled it off. Twice. And he's ultraconservative. He's rich though, so he can afford the surgeon with a high success rate. Things like this remind me of the IUD (Intra Uterine Device) contraceptive that came into wide use during the seventies. Women would shop around for the best price and pick the guy who never even saw the installation procedure performed. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:14:19 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Malakite Hunter! [BalProp Alert] > But one minor... quib. >> Since they are forbidden to kill mortals, >> they'll just go after _each other > > Hawhazawhazahuh? Since when (though I will accept the answer- "Since I > began writing in the persona of a Balseraph, oh great servitor of > Nitpicking")? Since I began writing in the persona of a Balseraph, oh great servitor of Nitpicking. > Other than that- could we possibly see one for every choir? Actually it was a format for presenting the Stooges. The Croc' Hunter style was something that's been fermenting in my cerebral fluids for a while. I originally thought of "Calabite Hunter" but as an INeffable player the Malkie is a more frequent problem. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:14:19 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Just a thought. > There is at least one canonical competition that Michael *didn't* win... > > ...unless you're willing to tell me that he *wanted* a third of the > Host to rebel. Yes! Yes he did! That S.O.B.! Can you think of a BIGGER WAR? And _he_ got Lilith to turn all the demons loose! Lucifer was trapped in Hell and couldn't communicate with anybody! No wonder Michael is hostile to Yves! Yves is on to him! Help! I can't! stop! using exclamation points!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:23:42 -0700 From: Harukami Subject: IN> [new Band] Demalakim DEMALAKIM The Vindictive (Italics) Baal and Michael fought, the screams of the dying and the living echoing around them in the Last Battle. They were evenly matched, straining back and forth, neither yielding. A smile was plastered on the face of each - tense, excited, merciless. Baal saw Furfur come up behind Michael, but didn't register him; all his being was focussed between this one last honourable combat which would prove, at long last, who was the real victor. Baal didn't, however, see Beelzebub's sword in Furfur's hand until it was already emerging from Michael's chest; the Archangel having assumed, as Baal had, that no one would have the gall to interrupt them - but someone had, a Superior's sword in a Superior's hand, and Michael fell, body unravelling into the already-wailing Symphony. Furfur had time enough to brandish his sword triumphantly before Baal cut him down; he then stood, black wings flexing thoughtfully, oath-chains rattling, as he decided who was next. (close Italics) Demalakim embody a twisted honour of selfish suffering; they are, however, such a small Band that they have not been acknowledged by either Heaven or Hell. Either the Archangels are covering up the fact that the Malakim *can Fall*, for whatever reason the GM decides is appropriate to his or her campaign, or they simply are not aware - after all, a Malakite's Celestial appearance looks no different when they Fall, and most would be simply mistaken for Discordant Malakim - who are then quickly slain by the other Malakim, 'just in case'. But people wonder. They wonder if the Malakim only 'don't Fall' because they police themselves so intently - and some may wonder if Malakim can Fall, and if the 'bad Malakim' that are hunted down are, in fact, Fallen. Of course, they are. A secret which is hidden even better is the fact that demons can 'change into' Malakim, just as angels can. This is, of course, FAR rarer than the already-rare angelic change - to begin with, the demon has to have a firm sense of honour, and that honour has to be directly violated. (Much as the original Malakim appeared with the violation of certain angels' sense of honour during the First Fall.). This is, of course, covered up by the Game; he and Fate are the only demons who know. The first time a demon shifted into a Demalakite, Asmodeus himself had to appear to take care of him; all witnesses were wiped out and Asmodeus has since been policing 'potential renegades' much more closely for signs of 'too much honour'. However, very few demons have the sense of honour that would allow this change to occur. RESONANCE The Demalakim's resonance is for personal honour. As with all demons, their resonance is based on their own selfish symphony; when they resonate, they can sense the same things that the Malakite can (with the exception of CD:6) - however, instead of the result of whether it is "most or least honourable" being based on the *target's* moral standards, it is based on the *Demalakite's*. The Demalakite will not take situation or extenuating circumstances into effect; if it violates their own sense of honour, the offending target must be wiped out. This of course explains what happens when Malakim 'go bad' - they have such a strong sense of honour that when they resonate and weigh other people's actions by their own standards, very few people are shown to be 'honourable'. The exception to CD: 6 is this: "You know the height or depth of spirit the person aspires to as based on your *own* sense of height and depth of spirit. A CD: 6 will automatically detect a Malakite." Demalakim are coldly insane; nearly everyone around them is dishonourable to their resonance, and must therefore die. Of the other Bands... oh, let's face it, nobody believes in them, and the Demalakim hate them all anyway. DISSONANCE As with the Malakite, the Demalakite's dissonance is dishonour - he would never *dream* of violating his own moral standards -- though his Superior's moral standards is another thing. As with Malakim, they take four to six Oaths which appear as Oath-chains upon them: Two are constant. ("I will not suffer the dishonourable to live when it is my choice." and "I will not die without a fight.") Supposedly, Demalakim can Redeem; most are killed before it becomes an issue, and few can believe enough honour exists in Heaven for them to make it worthwhile. Unlike the other demons and unlike the Punishers, a Demalakite does not consider himself either an angel or a demon - He consider himself Demalakite. They don't serve Hell - too dishonourable - and they don't serve Heaven - ditto. Now you see why Asmodeus has his panties in a bunch? Oh, and, as with Malakim, Demalakim do not suffer Trauma. MANNER AND APPEARANCE In their celestial forms, Demalakim appear as shadowy human figures, bound by Oath-chains, large black wings glinting with purple in the light. Unlike the Balseraphs and Seraphs, there is no visible difference between a Malakite and a Demalakite. Their Vessels are usually the one they started with; if some Prince or Archangel actually gives them a new one, it's usually large and capable of taking a lot of damage - they need it. As with Malakim, they prefer to dress in animal skin, which frequently includes human, demon, or angel, as long as it was dishonourable when it died. GAME MECHANICS The Demalakite's resonance is based on their own set of values. With a successful resonance roll (Yes - Will, not Perception), a Demalakite can size someone up and make a biased judgment about his integrity. Adjust the Malakite resonance table to suit. *** Just something SD and I discussed the other day, when "One Hand on my Sword..." appeared on the list. Harukami * Ambrosius is wondering why he couldn't have been assigned with some fanatical Habbalite and a sexy Impudite. * Jesse is sexy! And reasonably close to Impudite... * Zha'an is seeeeeeeexy............... [drips all over floor] - -The Balseraph, the Lilim, and the Shedite from DGC! (Don't Get Caught!) DGC! logs can be found at: http://haru_in.tripod.com/ Along with logs for Pieces of a Glass Heart (angelic campaign), art, and fiction. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 10:34:58 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Just a thought. > There is at least one canonical competition that Michael *didn't* win... > > ...unless you're willing to tell me that he *wanted* a third of the > Host to rebel. Well, he did win the battle -- just not the War. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:41:45 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> [new Band] Demalakim At 11:23 AM 10/26/2002 -0700, you wrote: >DEMALAKIM >The Vindictive An interesting thought, but... >Baal didn't, however, see Beelzebub's sword in Furfur's hand until it was >already emerging from Michael's chest; the Archangel having assumed, as >Baal had, that no one would have the gall to interrupt them - but someone >had, a Superior's sword in a Superior's hand, and Michael fell, body >unravelling into the already-wailing Symphony. I'm afraid I can't buy this. Michael is not only an Archangel but a Seraph; he shouldn't assume something as unlikely as "nobody will interrupt this battle" unless he's closer to Falling than Khalid was. In addition, Michael always goes first, and can detect a danger to his person more than five minutes ahead of time. (That's Ofanite and Malakite of War, respectively.) I just don't see Furfur being able to circumvent *all of these*. >This is, of course, FAR rarer than the already-rare angelic change If it happens more than once, then it's at least twice as likely to happen. The angelic change happened once. Many angels turned into Malakim almost simultaneously (since Uriel is cited as being the First Malakite, I have to say "almost"), during the Fall. It has never happened again (although as an extant Choir, relievers can fledge into Malakim, and Superiors can create them out of the Symphony), and nobody (with the *possible* exception of Uriel) knows why it happened. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:50:13 -0700 From: Harukami Subject: Re: IN> [new Band] Demalakim >>had, a Superior's sword in a Superior's hand, and Michael fell, body >>unravelling into the already-wailing Symphony. > >I'm afraid I can't buy this. Michael is not only an Archangel but a >Seraph; he shouldn't assume something as unlikely as "nobody will interrupt >this battle" unless he's closer to Falling than Khalid was. In addition, >Michael always goes first, and can detect a danger to his person more than >five minutes ahead of time. (That's Ofanite and Malakite of War, >respectively.) I just don't see Furfur being able to circumvent *all of >these*. True, and fair enough. I suppose even another Superior can't thoroughly distract Michael. ^_~ >>This is, of course, FAR rarer than the already-rare angelic change > >If it happens more than once, then it's at least twice as likely to happen. > >The angelic change happened once. Many angels turned into Malakim almost >simultaneously (since Uriel is cited as being the First Malakite, I have to >say "almost"), during the Fall. It has never happened again (although as >an extant Choir, relievers can fledge into Malakim, and Superiors can >create them out of the Symphony), and nobody (with the *possible* exception >of Uriel) knows why it happened. I was referring to the *numbers* who'd changed, yeah, not the time period in which it happened - for me, I'd imagined it as those particular angels being... not more offended, but taking it more personally? The Fall was a violation ov everything everyone held dear; to some, the dishonour screamed out. That was my *interpretation* of it, anyway. I was hoping to imply that more Malakim Fall than are "made out of" demons - - it's why I gave Baal as the example above is that someone has to be *characterized* by their totally bizarre sense of honour... But your comments are *totally* fair - this needs some revision to work, if it works at all. ^^ Thanks for your criticism! Harukami >-EDG > > > * Ambrosius is wondering why he couldn't have been assigned with some fanatical Habbalite and a sexy Impudite. * Jesse is sexy! And reasonably close to Impudite... * Zha'an is seeeeeeeexy............... [drips all over floor] - -The Balseraph, the Lilim, and the Shedite from DGC! (Don't Get Caught!) DGC! logs can be found at: http://haru_in.tripod.com/ Along with logs for Pieces of a Glass Heart (angelic campaign), art, and fiction. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 12:03:12 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> [new Band] Demalakim At 11:50 AM 10/26/2002 -0700, you wrote: >True, and fair enough. I suppose even another Superior can't thoroughly >distract Michael. ^_~ Especially not with Superior-level multitasking. Now, of course, I have an image of the Last Battle being nothing but tens of thousands of avatars of Baal and Michael running at each other with swords... >That was my *interpretation* of it, anyway. You have a point. There are a couple others, though: - - God says, "Whoops. Better stop that," and made his best warriors into creatures that couldn't Fall. (NEXT: God screws up.) - - Someone says "Hey, look at Uriel, he's got black wings now!", Uriel says, "That's right, it symbolizes my essential purity and inability to Fall, and by the way, y'all can't Fall either now, but you have to promise to kill all of them." (Amusing, if utterly twisted and wrong, image of Uriel as Jody from _Preacher_.) >I was hoping to imply that more Malakim Fall than are "made out of" demons >- it's why I gave Baal as the example above is that someone has to be >*characterized* by their totally bizarre sense of honour... Like I said, it's an interesting thought, and I'd like to see more on it - >But your comments are *totally* fair - this needs some revision to work, if >it works at all. ^^ Thanks for your criticism! - - but yes, it needs a few tweaks if I'm going to think it's perfect. ;) - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:37:51 -0700 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: IN> Careful what you ask... "So you wanted to know about my story? I have no problem telling you; we both have all the time in the world for this. I’m effectively immortal and you’re not going anywhere for a while.” The man settled into his chair and stared out the window as he collected his thoughts. “Eden was definitely paradise, but I would hesitate to call it Heaven on Earth. That’s a disservice to the glory of Heaven in my opinion. We had seasons there, but the climate never bothered us. Whether that was from the manner of our creation or Divine Intervention, I am not sure even to this day.” “Ah, you also wanted to know about Lilith. Not a shock. Everyone who talks to me always asks about her. Let me just give you an idea about her based on a phrase I heard a few months back: No matter how gorgeous she is, there is always someone who got tired of putting up with her crap. Don’t get me wrong; I still love her. She was my first love and my first wife. Yes, she exercised the free will God gave her and chose what she called freedom. The problem with Lilith is that her grasp of freedom is shaky. She has always seen freedom as doing whatever she wanted without consequences. She believed in that so thoroughly when Lucifer gave her power, she sold her children into slavery without hesitation. And yes, I heard the stories about how I rejected her because I wanted her to be subservient or she wanted to be on top during sex.” The man rolled his eyes and shook his head. “It’s a bit more accurate to say that I rejected her because of the selfishness I saw in her. I had hoped she would change, but she took her own path and I let her go.” The man stretched and watched the sun rise through his window. “And so Eve was made from a part of me. You know the rest of course. That whole thing with the Tree of Knowledge, getting chased out of Eden by an angel with a flaming sword, blah, blah blah. Contrary to what some people or demons may have said, I never held any grudge towards Eve about that. I think it was inevitable that one of us would eat that fruit. I was angry with God for a while for being little more than a lab rat for Heaven. But by the time I knew the term lab rat, I had gotten over my anger centuries ago. ” “So I put the knowledge that I gained to good use. Eve and I found a place to settle down and raise a few children. After a few centuries, I went to Heaven. But I was restless there. I knew I could do so much on Earth and I chose to go back. And that is what has kept me on Earth for so long. My time on Earth and what I had gained from the Tree of Knowledge changed me just as Lilith was changed by Lucifer.” The man stood and walked over to the chair where the Shedite struggled to free her host. The Corrupter never knew that her search for facts on the First Man would lead to this. The smile he gave her filled her with more fright than she had ever known. “Which brings me to you, Shedite. Do you remember that man you tried taking over three days ago? That was what brought you to my attention.” He leaned close and put his hand on the chest of the person the Corrupter was riding. The demon’s world was filled with the expression on Adam’s face. “Lilith has her Daughters. I have my Sons. And I don’t appreciate filth like you trying to bring them to harm.” The Shedite screamed as she was ripped away from her host. Adam took his time in killing it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 12:48:56 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Careful what you ask... Nice story, Cam. (And nice seed at the end there.) But watch the smart-quotes. ;) - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 10:07:09 -0700 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: Re: IN> Careful what you ask... >>But watch the smart-quotes. ;) *grumble* New lesson kids. Don't copy from word to email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:40:39 -0400 From: EDG Subject: IN> New artifact Weird... but useful. Sometimes. http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?journal=etherjammer&itemid=2699#cutid1 - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 12:19:05 -0600 From: Julian Mensch Subject: RE: IN> [new Band] Demalakim > I'm afraid I can't buy this. Michael is not only an Archangel but a > Seraph; he shouldn't assume something as unlikely as "nobody will interrupt > this battle" unless he's closer to Falling than Khalid was. In addition, > Michael always goes first, and can detect a danger to his person more than Actually, wouldn't Furfur's Superior ineffibility cloak the attack from Michael? Not that Furfur is all that ineffible on the best of days, but in theory... - -- Julian Mensch Is *not* against Michael losing for the first time, especially if it makes a good plot point (c.f., Tattered Symphony). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 12:53:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Servitors of Jordi At Play? - --- Christopher Pipinou wrote: > A pair of deer smashed through the plate glass window of > a McDonald's in > D.C. today. Several humans were injured, and one of the > deer was cut by broken glass. Nah... that was Kobal's boys for sure. Probably looking for a stag party. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two kinds of selfishness: the kind that says, 'I must do what will make me happy,' and the kind that says, 'You must do what will make me happy.' The first is good, the second is bad." - -- Kenton E. Sinner

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two kinds of selfishness: the kind that says, 'I must do what will make me happy,' and the kind that says, 'You must do what will make me happy.' The first is good, the second is bad." - -- Kenton E. Sinner

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 16:54:49 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> [new Band] Demalakim >>DEMALAKIM >>The Vindictive This is what happens after a few debates about why Baal is Cool and if Michael can Fall, involving mechanics/scenes for an alternate setting. Just, uh, for the record. ^^ >I'm afraid I can't buy this. Michael is not only an Archangel but a >Seraph; he shouldn't assume something as unlikely as "nobody will interrupt >this battle" unless he's closer to Falling than Khalid was. In addition, >Michael always goes first, and can detect a danger to his person more than >five minutes ahead of time. (That's Ofanite and Malakite of War, >respectively.) I just don't see Furfur being able to circumvent *all of >these*. What if it's not *just* Furfur? 1. Michael and Baal are dueling. Both are *fully* focused on the match and each other, fighting as hard as they can to win. If Michael moves to stop Furfur, with another manifestation or not, he's being *distracted* - Baal has an edge, for as long as it takes Michael to eliminate Furfur. Michael may have considered Furfur the lesser danger (especially as he's a minor Prince and this is the *Final Battle* that he's been anticipating for millenia), not noticing exactly *what* the sword was. a. Let's not forget that Malak of War doesn't identify the *actual* danger, just that there is danger. Michael wouldn't've *known* who was sneaking up to stab him in the back, much less that there *was* someone doing so. It also doesn't reliably detect a threat to the angel, either, IIRC; Michael has an edge on this compared to his Servitors, but still. 2. That sword belonged to the original Prince of Corruption, and unless Haru changed the backstory for it I was thinking of when I suggested it, it's the one he used when dueling (and getting killed by) Uriel. (...that *is* canon, yes?) And we all know just how dangerous Corruption has been...what if there's enough 'ambience' to help? 3. Michael may have assumed that his *fellow* Archangels would take care of any interferance. So all Furfur would've had to do is stay unnoticed by *them* - assuming *they* didn't think 'Michael can handle himself'. (I would normally, however, expect Laurence to step in (if he noticed) - hey, Furfur's interrupting an honorable, *Important* duel, not to mention the little matter of what his sword is...) >>This is, of course, FAR rarer than the already-rare angelic change > >If it happens more than once, then it's at least twice as likely to happen. Go by individuals, like Haru said. (Besides, demons shifting one by one makes a *lot* more sense to me than one mass change...) ~S.D. Ryukage ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 21:15:17 -0600 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: IN> INverse Superior: Marc, Impudite Demon Prince of the Deal (My apologies for being so absent from the list the past few days... I've been a bit sick, and it's exam/term paper/etc week at college, so I've been a wee bit busy ^^; anyways, here's my next Superior I made for INverse, a hellborn and nasty Marc, Prince of the Deal. He's a little rough, I know, an all criticisms, suggestions, and so on are encouraged. Thanks, and enjoy!) Marc, Impudite Demon Prince of the Deal "The World is just another possession that can be had... for the right price." Evil has it's roots, and Marc is it's name. Appearing from apparently nowhere after the Fall (although rumor claims he was one of the first Imps to fledge), Marc managed to wheel and deal his way to the top of the heap while still staying unbound to a Prince, and after he managed to make the first Lilim Fall, and presenting her to Michael, he became the Prince of the Deal and the money-manager of the infernal realm. Marc's agenda is simple; he desires only to drag humanity into the pit through their own greed and desires, and he shows an amazing amount of callousness for an Impudite. While Marc didn't invent the concept of currency, he did manage to make humans squabble over shiny pieces of metal (dirty sheets of paper for modern days), and his efforts have been invaluable for the information and advancement of Hell on more subtle grounds. Servitors of the Deal are all expected to be as slippery as Balseraphim, smooth tongued as Impudites, and as aggressive as Calabim when it comes to their deals, and no one is better at making someone snicker, thinking they got away with a huge steal, when in fact they were left with the table scraps. If you play your cards right however, valuable resources both material and not can be found in the possession of Dealers, and despite how many demons hate them, Marc isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Now if he could manage to make Lilith come to his side... *Dissonance* When a servitor of Marc makes a deal with someone, they must be the one that comes out on the better end of it, or they suffer dissonance. Cutting equal is not dissonant. Making another deal with the original subject and coming out on the better end will erase the first note of dissonance, but if this is also failed, the note becomes permanent. *Band Attunements* Balseraphim: The Liars of the Deal are masters of creating ways in and out of deals and contracts. When these demons create a contract or make a deal of any sort, they may make a resonance roll. If they succeed, then a loophole or hidden clause is "created" for the Balseraph, with the power or size of said loophole being in proportion to the check digit. If the demon fails, they will not know it. Instead, the person on the other end of the deal will see a loophole for them to take advantage of!! Djinn: Whenever an attuned of these demons carries out their end of a deal or contract they are involved in, the Djinn will know whether or not they cheated or got the better end of a deal with a Perception roll. Marc's Djinn are almost always assigned to important people who make contracts with him. Calabim: If these demons knowingly get cheated in a deal they make, they may add their Celestial Forces to their resonance if they use it to harm the cheater or any physical goods that was part of the deal. Habbalah: With a successful resonance roll, these demons can make anyone they barter with settle on buying from the Habbalite for 50% more than the market value, or sell to the Habbalite for 50% less than the market value. If the resonance backlashes, then the demon will instead be the one to buy for more and sell for less! Honorium: Included in the information their resonance gives, these Warriors can determine the general level of greed and honor a person has about their deals. A low check digit would give the general impression of how greedy their target is, and if they have been more or less honorable about their deals. A high check digit would tell the Honorite the exact level of greed the target has, (including any Discord relating to greed or money) and how many deals they have cheated on, and how many they have honored. Lilim: Seeing as Dark Lilim are in rare supply in Hell, Marc hordes these demons with a Djinn's possessiveness. When they strike up a deal with someone, the Lilim will know exactly what the target wants from the deal in the long run, and how much the target will put up with to get what they want. Shedim: Marc's Shedim may possess objects that have monetary value above one dollar on the common market. When they enter the object, they must immediately begin to corrupt it. When the Shedim corrupts the object, it begins to subtly degrade in quality and price, slowly being transformed into an item of lesser quality. For every full week they possess an item, it's value will be cut in half. This takes a Perception roll on the part of the owner or dealer of the item, with a bonus equal to how many days the Shedim has possessed the item, in order to notice the change. Impudite: Every Impudite who serves Marc will automatically get a Role when they start play equal to their Celestial Forces in level, and add half of their Corporeal Forces as automatic Charisma. Skulker: Marc's Dark Grigori are his thieves. When on the corporeal plane, all non-aware beings will have to roll Perception to see the Skulker, as if he was in celestial form! However, if any attention is brought to the demon, he will be noticed by everyone, and must hide from sight to become unnoticeable again. Recorded media -will- see the demon, but anyone watching will have to roll Perception to notice him. *Servitor Attunements* Infernal Contract: When a deal is struck up between the demon and a party, they may spend 1 or more Essence to create a written contract that defines exactly what both parties want, as the demon heard it. If this contract is broken, then the cheater will take damage equal to the amount of Essence spent times his Corporeal Forces. Signed in Blood: This attunement allows a demon to extract his will upon a human who willingly enters a deal with him, in a limited form of the Lilim resonance. The contract must be made with 1 Essence from all parties involved, and a part of their corporeal form. Blood isn't needed, any part will do (nail clippings, urine, hair, spit, etc) but many prefer blood for signing ease and the mood it invokes. When the contract is made, the demon must define what he will take from the human when the deal is fulfilled, and if the human accepts and signs, he will get what he wants and must fulfill his end of the bargain when the demon asks at the prescribed time. The human will be able to resist with a Will roll minus the demons Celestial Forces. Deal with the Devil: With this attunement, the demon may gamble with the Symphony against his personal one, in an attempt to rape it for his own gain. For 1 Essence, the demon may take any roll he must make and roll it three times, but this rolled in -secret- by the GM! The player then may choose roll number one, two or three, an he must take the one he chose and use it as his roll. *Distinctions* Knight of Trade: With a Perception roll, the demon will be able to tell the maximum market value of an item he is touching. Captain of Accounts: The demon gains a permanent account in his name accessible from any ATM or bank on the corporeal plane, into which 1,000 dollars is deposited everyday. Baron of Bullshit: When making a deal with someone, any Fast-Talk, Emote, or Seduction rolls the demon makes are considered automatic successes, but roll anyway to see the CD and for the possibility of Interventions. *Relations* Allied: Christopher (Sin) Associated: All the others Hostile: David (Assimilation) *Basic Rites* -Make a 100% profit off a deal through sheer skill -Cheat someone out of something they value -Out deal a Daughter of Lilith (+2 Essence) -Bring a Lilim to the Deal's ranks (+4 Essence) Chance of Invocation: 3 Invocation Modifier +1 A coin used to make decisions +2 An item for bartering worth 50 or more dollars +3 A gold doubloon in mint condition +4 A cache of illegal goods +5 A dollar bill that's exchanged more than a 100,000,000 hands +6 A contract that will cheat someone out of more than a billion dollars --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (and being ridden by a Renegade Shedite of the Game) ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2835 ********************************