in_nomine-digest Tuesday, October 29 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2838 In this digest: Re: IN> INverse Superior: Marc, Impudite Demon Prince of the Deal Re: IN> relievers Re: IN> INverse Superior: Marc, Impudite Demon Prince of the Deal Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (pt 3) RE: IN> relievers IN> Nomenclature Re: IN> Nomenclature RE: IN> Nomenclature Re: IN> INverse Superior: Marc, Impudite Demon Prince of the Deal Re: IN> Nomenclature Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (pt 3) Re: IN> Nomenclature and Name Change RE: IN> Careful what you ask... RE: IN> Careful what you ask... RE: IN> Careful what you ask... Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (pt 3) IN> Tunnels in Liverpool Re: IN> [fiction] "My Boyfriend, Jesus Christ" Re: IN> ... but It can also get you locked up... Re: IN> Nomenclature Re: IN> Tunnels in Liverpool Re: IN> ... but It can also get you locked up... Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (pt 3) Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (pt 3) Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (pt 3) Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (pt 3) Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (pt 3) Re: IN> Nomenclature and Name Change Re: IN> Nomenclature and Name Change IN> Didn't somebody say something about Faith, Science and me a while back? RE: IN> Didn't somebody say something about Faith, Science and me a while back? Re: IN> Nomenclature and Name Change Re: IN> Didn't somebody say something about Faith, Science and me a while back? Re: IN> Didn't somebody say something about Faith, Science and me a while back? Re: IN> Didn't somebody say something about Faith, Science and me a while back? Re: IN> Careful what you ask... RE: IN> Nomenclature and Name Change Re: IN> Didn't somebody say something about Faith, Science and me a while back? Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (pt 3) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:33:59 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> INverse Superior: Marc, Impudite Demon Prince of the Deal - --- sirea@softhome.net wrote: > when it comes to Lilim, I always flop > on attunements. The > best I can usuall come up with is a bonus to resonance or > "can detect X Need that relates to Word automatically". They are hard to do, and it's easy to fall back on that fix. I've done it myself more than once. > That is a good idea... but at the same time, wouldn't > making it seem like > more make no sense if it's worth less? Absolutely... unless one plans to sell the item for more than it's worth. This requires that the Shedite have a partner to make the sale, though. > Is it reallt too much charisma? Not when you half the Forces (which I forgot about when I posted that response). Oops. > Ah! This is much more what I was trying to do! Very good. > Basically, I was > trying to make the player strike up a deal with the Devil > (the GM), on > gambling with the Symphony for a better result. This is > complex enough > without being too much of a headache, and it isn't > overpowered. Stolen :D Glad to be of help. > Is it? That's 1,000 a day. 365 days a corporeal year, so > that's 365,000 > dollars, which is what a decent business man would make > in a year, if not > much less conidering how many cook the books and so on. Oh, it's not an unreasonable amount of money -- until a PC gets a hold of it. That 365k a year has massive potential for abuse. $100.00 a day is much better. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two kinds of selfishness: the kind that says, 'I must do what will make me happy,' and the kind that says, 'You must do what will make me happy.' The first is good, the second is bad." - -- Kenton E. Sinner

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two kinds of selfishness: the kind that says, 'I must do what will make me happy,' and the kind that says, 'You must do what will make me happy.' The first is good, the second is bad." - -- Kenton E. Sinner

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two kinds of selfishness: the kind that says, 'I must do what will make me happy,' and the kind that says, 'You must do what will make me happy.' The first is good, the second is bad." - -- Kenton E. Sinner

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two kinds of selfishness: the kind that says, 'I must do what will make me happy,' and the kind that says, 'You must do what will make me happy.' The first is good, the second is bad." - -- Kenton E. Sinner

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:58:51 -0500 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: IN> relievers Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > You will have to decide [...] what happens when everyone else gets > in a car (is he left behind or can he "fix" his position relative > to a moving corporeal object when he is noncorporeal), and other > such things, mind. Personally, I'd let a reliever fix its reference frame to other objects, seeing as they have, in canon, no trouble fixing themselves relative to the Earth, despite the planet's movement of mumble-hundred miles per hour as it rotates and orbits. Of course, when the reliever is very NEW to Earth, it might occasionally FORGET to do this, which could give you all the amusement value the schtick warrants. (In his Space Trilogy, C. S. Lewis too the opposite tack. People viewing the celestial forms of his angels from Mars and Venus often get the impression of dizzying movement, even though they SEE no motion. The angels are, from their own perspective, whizzing along, keeping abreast of the rapidly moving Earthly scenery.) Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:21:08 -0500 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: IN> Nomenclature There are a few things in the IN system of names that bug me. One is "Lilim" as a singular. Why couldn't it have been "Lilite," in parallel with "Malakite," "Shedite," etc.? But I'm not too fond of the label "reliever," either. It's just so blah. I've suggested "angeletto" and "angelisco," Italian and Greek diminutives respectively, but was told the one sounded like something served from an ice cream cart in Hell ("A double scoop of Crunchy Cherub angeletto, please.")and the other sounds like a cookie. Angelet? Angelacule? Any suggestions? By the way, for a good literary depiction of relievers, try "The Serpent Garden" by Judith Merkle Riley. It is a historical romance with a vein of fantasy, set early in the reign of Henry VIII. On the IN side, we have Hadriel, Angel of Art (and a fair depiction of a servitor of Eli), with his team of three reliever sidekicks, up against a rather Calabite-like demon. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:49:13 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Nomenclature Is it just me, or does this ("I don't like some of the names that canon uses") come up roughly once a year? At 02:21 PM 10/28/2002 -0500, Wajenberg, Earl wrote: >Angelet? Angelacule? Any suggestions? Pneumisca. (Or just pneuma, although the diminutive gets the idea across better.) LSJ , definition V ("spiritual or immaterial being, angel"). - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:53:24 -0700 From: Julian Mensch Subject: RE: IN> Nomenclature > But I'm not too fond of the label "reliever," either. It's just so blah. > I've suggested "angeletto" and "angelisco," Italian and Greek diminutives > respectively, but was told the one sounded like something served from an ice > cream cart in Hell ("A double scoop of Crunchy Cherub angeletto, > please.")and the other sounds like a cookie. > > Angelet? Angelacule? Any suggestions? In a whimsical/Bright game, you could use 'putti', which is the name of those chubby winged baby angels that everyone mistakenly calls 'cherubs'. (Yes, AFAIK the pluralizaion of 'winged baby' cherub is cherubs, cause it's a pop culture word). - -- Julian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:48:16 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> INverse Superior: Marc, Impudite Demon Prince of the Deal > My mind immediately went to the Djinn version. I already > have most of the Band Attunements. Ohm thank goodness. I was worried about what to do for that version... I'm going to ask WS if I can adapt his Unity David for the Honorite version so it's all set! --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (and being ridden by a Renegade Shedite of the Game) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:55:50 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Nomenclature > There are a few things in the IN system of names that bug me. One is > "Lilim" as a singular. Why couldn't it have been "Lilite," in parallel with > "Malakite," "Shedite," etc.? I always had a small problem with Lilim too... I may change it to Lilite for singular, or just leave it alone. All the other names don't bother me too much (except for Balseraphs, I think it's just as good as Balseraphim, and sounds much more grand. Dunno why they didn't make it that) > > But I'm not too fond of the label "reliever," either. It's just so blah. > I've suggested "angeletto" and "angelisco," Italian and Greek diminutives > respectively, but was told the one sounded like something served from an ice > cream cart in Hell ("A double scoop of Crunchy Cherub angeletto, > please.")and the other sounds like a cookie. *laughs* I think Angeletto sounds just fine :D I never had too much of a problem with Relievers, but I do disagree having multiple lesser demons in Hell fledging into different demons. I just have Imps be the Hellish analogue of Relievers, and Gremlins are just a nasty breed of minor demon that's used for familairs and menial tasks, and can fledge if given the Forces to do so. > > Angelet? Angelacule? Any suggestions? Ah... I really don't know anything good yet :/ sorry. --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (and being ridden by a Renegade Shedite of the Game) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:57:24 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (pt 3) Wow. Cool. I think I missed part two though... it says part III at the top. Or maybe I just missed something o.o; --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (and being ridden by a Renegade Shedite of the Game) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:07:33 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Nomenclature and Name Change > Is it just me, or does this ("I don't like some of the names that canon > uses") come up roughly once a year? Hmm... *Sirea's Subjective Brainpicks* Balseraphs? Why not Balseraphim? If Bal is Lord, then Lord Seraphim for plural sounds better than Lord Seraphs, which makes it a self-violation of the sacred choir-bands plural code. Lilim... I guess Lilit, Lilot, Lilum, Lilite, or Finger Lickin' Gud works fine :D I kinda get confused with Hellsworn and Soldiers of Hell, so I'm trying to think of a better way to define them. Soldier of Hell serves Hell, a Hellsworn got an extra Force and serves Hell... confusing sometimes. I call Mercuarians just "the Friends" for their first epitaht (or however you spell that blinkin thing) and Seraphim are just "the Holy". That's bout it really :D > Pneumisca. (Or just pneuma, although the diminutive gets the idea across > better.) LSJ , definition V ("spiritual or immaterial being, > angel"). Would that be pronounced "New-Misca"? --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (and being ridden by a Renegade Shedite of the Game) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:38:30 -0500 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: IN> Careful what you ask... Very nice. I like the idea of Adam and Eve still circulating on Earth as Uber-Saints. What are the properties of Adam's uppercase Sons? How about Eve? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:44:34 -0800 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: RE: IN> Careful what you ask... On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:38:30 -0500 "Wajenberg, Earl" said unto us: >>What are the properties of Adam's uppercase Sons? I am still in the process of fleshing things out on that. As it stands, I am leaning more towards simpy having them as Soldiers born with an extra Force or two. I'll write that out when I can. >>How about Eve? Eric Burns covered Eve and her Daughters the Hawwah. I'll leave it to him to post the link. -:-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:44:54 -0800 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: RE: IN> Careful what you ask... On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:38:30 -0500 "Wajenberg, Earl" said unto us: >>What are the properties of Adam's uppercase Sons? I am still in the process of fleshing things out on that. As it stands, I am leaning more towards simpy having them as Soldiers born with an extra Force or two. I'll write that out when I can. >>How about Eve? Eric Burns covered Eve and her Daughters the Hawwah. I'll leave it to him to post the link. -:-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:14:36 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (pt 3) At 12:57 PM -0700 10/28/02, sirea@softhome.net wrote: >Wow. Cool. I think I missed part two though... it says part III at the top. >Or maybe I just missed something o.o; I labled part one with part one, and part two (the same day, since I hadn't used up my 10K quota on it) didn't get a part-designation. O:> - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:17:37 -0500 (EST) From: Diane J Donaldson Subject: IN> Tunnels in Liverpool Now here's a great place to set an In Nomine adventure. David's got to love this guy... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2342183.stm djd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:59:46 -0800 From: Harukami Subject: Re: IN> [fiction] "My Boyfriend, Jesus Christ" >> But you've been hanging out with Casca, haven't you? > >Now, now. Haru wasn't on the list when I came up with my idea, so let's not >make accusations, however humorous, of cribbing. > >Besides, I doubt there are many on this list who are conversant with my >campaign, and it's not polite to make references most won't understand. I was wondering what that reference was to! In answer - no, I had no idea that you'd done anything with this, Casca, but if you have links (or files, or any such thing), I'd be *really* interested to see them - email me? ^_^ Thanks again for all the commentary on this, too! Hugs to all and sundry, Haru * Ambrosius is wondering why he couldn't have been assigned with some fanatical Habbalite and a sexy Impudite. * Jesse is sexy! And reasonably close to Impudite... * Zha'an is seeeeeeeexy............... [drips all over floor] - -The Balseraph, the Lilim, and the Shedite from DGC! (Don't Get Caught!) DGC! logs can be found at: http://haru_in.tripod.com/ Along with logs for Pieces of a Glass Heart (angelic campaign), art, and fiction. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:17:56 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> ... but It can also get you locked up... Been watching, "Balseraph, Balseraph" haven't you, Ryan? 0:> =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two kinds of selfishness: the kind that says, 'I must do what will make me happy,' and the kind that says, 'You must do what will make me happy.' The first is good, the second is bad." - -- Kenton E. Sinner

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:19:47 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Nomenclature - --- "Wajenberg, Earl" wrote: > But I'm not too fond of the label "reliever," either. > It's just so blah. > I've suggested "angeletto" and "angelisco," Italian and > Greek diminutives > respectively, but was told the one sounded like something > served from an ice > cream cart in Hell ("A double scoop of Crunchy Cherub > angeletto, please.")and the other sounds like a cookie. I'm on record as saying that "angeletti" (the plural of angeletto) sounds like an Italian sports car. I still like it, though. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two kinds of selfishness: the kind that says, 'I must do what will make me happy,' and the kind that says, 'You must do what will make me happy.' The first is good, the second is bad." - -- Kenton E. Sinner

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two kinds of selfishness: the kind that says, 'I must do what will make me happy,' and the kind that says, 'You must do what will make me happy.' The first is good, the second is bad." - -- Kenton E. Sinner

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:41:20 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> ... but It can also get you locked up... At 1:33 PM -0500 10/28/02, Ryan M Roth wrote: >Don't know if this serious or not -- it was inspired by a Jim Carrey >movie. --Ryan R. >************************************************************************** > >TRUTH Serum (Corporeal artifact/relic) (Fast-penta! Fast-penta! Long-lasting fast-penta! In Nomine Vorkosigan rides again!) (Yes, it's entertaining.) - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:42:07 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (pt 3) At 10:41 AM -0800 10/28/02, Michael Walton wrote: > Note to self: don't throw anything as nasty as Timon at >PC's unless I'm really mad at them. After I finish the story, I'll look at what I needed him to do for the plot and stat up a character, maybe... He's, er, not a 9-Force demon. - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:50:13 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (pt 3) Elizabeth McCoy writes: > At 10:41 AM -0800 10/28/02, Michael Walton wrote: >> Note to self: don't throw anything as nasty as Timon at >>PC's unless I'm really mad at them. > > After I finish the story, I'll look at what I needed him to do for > the plot and stat up a character, maybe... > > He's, er, not a 9-Force demon. I agree :D I was a little rushed the first time I read it, but after a second read-through, I find myself in love with the wacky Balakite. (Shedite) 9 Forces... like I never would have guessed >:) (/Shedite) --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (and being ridden by a Renegade Shedite of the Game) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:21:11 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (pt 3) At 3:50 PM -0700 10/28/02, sirea@softhome.net wrote: >Elizabeth McCoy writes: >I agree :D I was a little rushed the first time I read it, but after a >second read-through, I find myself in love with the wacky Balakite. >Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word >of Eternity (and being ridden by a Renegade Shedite of the Game) Tsk, that's likely to cause trouble, what with Timon being a Balakite of Fate... I hope you like where he's going! (Why, yes, I do have at least tomorrow's installment already written, and a good idea of what I'm doing next...) - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:46:54 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (pt 3) >>I agree :D I was a little rushed the first time I read it, but after a >>second read-through, I find myself in love with the wacky Balakite. > >>Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word >>of Eternity (and being ridden by a Renegade Shedite of the Game) > > Tsk, that's likely to cause trouble, what with Timon being a Balakite of > Fate... What, that I like him, or that A Renegade Gamer is in my skull? o.o (damn bugger used to be a Sheddy of Dark Humor. Got all "serious" and defected to the Game. Then she switched Asmodeus' morning cup of coffee with cold brown water out of Abbadon, with -fire ants- in it! Undead fire ants!! Apparently, she was going for a Big Joke all along... nows she's hiding in my skull, hiding from Azzy, hoping her Boss will come round sometime :/ she wants the Word of Pranking Tightasses ;-; she's mean!) > > I hope you like where he's going! (Why, yes, I do have at least tomorrow's > installment already written, and a good idea of what I'm doing next...) I enjoy this a lot. I'd write more fiction myself, but between school, sickness, problems, and INverse, I don;t have the energy or time -_-; so keep going on yours, I really like it :D --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (and being ridden by a Renegade Shedite of the Game) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:48:18 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (pt 3) and then Red-Head was thrusting Timon's long sword _through_ >her fellow's back, burying it to the hilt. Timon hunched slightly as >the tip of the blade protruded from his lower back. He shoved the >dying angel away, freeing his chain to let her body fall to the >ground. Red-Head pulled the sword free, her face set in cold >concentration. Choreographed like a ballet. Beautiful description of a Fight of the Malakim. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:08:22 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Nomenclature and Name Change > I call Mercuarians just "the Friends" for their first epitaht (or however > you spell that blinkin thing) and Seraphim are just "the Holy". Go to http://www.the8thvirtue.org:81/in-nomine/inwod/cel-nomen.html for an alternate, and linguistically apropos, name change. - -- Casca Lilot. Rhymes with 'harlot'. Just a coincidence, I'm sure. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:33:34 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Nomenclature and Name Change >> I call Mercuarians just "the Friends" for their first epitaht (or however >> you spell that blinkin thing) and Seraphim are just "the Holy". > > Go to http://www.the8thvirtue.org:81/in-nomine/inwod/cel-nomen.html for an > alternate, and linguistically apropos, name change. > > -- Casca > > Lilot. Rhymes with 'harlot'. Just a coincidence, I'm sure. > Heh. I agree with the name changes, although I really don't have a problem with Djinn. I kinda like it actually. Same with Merc's. I only change the epitaht name to keep it one word like all the others seem to be. And I disagree when Seraphim call themselves the "Most" Holy -_- --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:16:44 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Didn't somebody say something about Faith, Science and me a while back? >(Trying to put the thought experiment for *this* one >together is likely to result either in migraine or in >Lewis Carroll. Quite possibly both. The fact that >Maurice Lane may read this suddenly worries me >badly. It should, quite possibly, worry you too.) Indeed. http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/stories/Test.htm Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/18/02 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:54:17 -0700 From: Julian Mensch Subject: RE: IN> Didn't somebody say something about Faith, Science and me a while back? > Indeed. This is very cool as a mindf***, and I love the characterisations of all the parties involved. I'm afraid I have trouble with the central premise -- it's very Mage, but doesn't necessarily suit In Nomine as well -- but for me the absolute capstone was the dead-on poetic description of Vapula's failing. (Don't worry, I won't spoil it. Read the story!) Very nicely done. - -- Julian Mensch ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 23:53:19 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Nomenclature and Name Change From: > > Balseraphs? Why not Balseraphim? Because each Balseraph lives within its own personal symphony, with the very concept of being a part of any other's totally abhorrent. Balseraphs are even more alone than the Shedim, for despite their despised status, the Corrupters can still share the mind of those they target for adjustment. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:49:59 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Didn't somebody say something about Faith, Science and me a while back? On Tuesday, October 29, 2002, at 12:54 AM, Julian Mensch wrote: >> Indeed. > > This is very cool as a mindf***, and I love the > characterisations of all the parties involved. I'm > afraid I have trouble with the central premise -- > it's very Mage, but doesn't necessarily suit In > Nomine as well Actually, I found this to be perfectly In Nomine -- in particular, it represented an Elohite's ability to use emotional and intellectual manipulation to create the conditions for his test. This is what I assumed happened, as opposed to Jean being... well, truthful. (I'm trying not to spoil -- it's a vignette that deserves to be experienced.) - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 05:44:25 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Didn't somebody say something about Faith, Science and me a while back? [bows and hands over Essence] =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two kinds of selfishness: the kind that says, 'I must do what will make me happy,' and the kind that says, 'You must do what will make me happy.' The first is good, the second is bad." - -- Kenton E. Sinner

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:49:55 -0500 From: Matthew Gerber Subject: Re: IN> Didn't somebody say something about Faith, Science and me a while back? On 10/29/02 12:16 AM, "Maurice Lane" wrote: >> (Trying to put the thought experiment for *this* one >> together is likely to result either in migraine or in >> Lewis Carroll. Quite possibly both. The fact that >> Maurice Lane may read this suddenly worries me >> badly. It should, quite possibly, worry you too.) > Indeed. > http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/stories/Test.htm The last dialogue exchange in this one is going to be in my head for quite some time. Brilliant, Moe. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:29:18 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Careful what you ask... On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 03:44 PM, Cameron McCurry wrote: >>> How about Eve? > > Eric Burns covered Eve and her Daughters the Hawwah. I'll leave it to > him to > post the link. -:-) > > Mmm... sweet sweet recognition.... http://www.annotations.com/innomine/index.html is my general In Nomine site. The Eve stuff -- formed from an old Iron Rev between Moe and myself -- is right up top. - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:56:36 -0500 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: IN> Nomenclature and Name Change Prodigal wrote: >> Balseraphs? Why not Balseraphim? >Because each Balseraph lives within its own personal symphony, with the very >concept of being a part of any other's totally abhorrent. Balseraphs are >even more alone than the Shedim, for despite their despised status, the >Corrupters can still share the mind of those they target for adjustment. But "-im" is just a plural ending in Hebrew, like "-s" in English. It isn't any more or less "collective" than "-s." Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:50:57 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Didn't somebody say something about Faith, Science and me a while back? WARNING- SPOILERS OF MOE'S EXCELLENT STORY >> This is very cool as a mindf***, and I love the >> characterisations of all the parties involved. I'm >> afraid I have trouble with the central premise -- >> it's very Mage, but doesn't necessarily suit In >> Nomine as well > >Actually, I found this to be perfectly In Nomine -- in particular, it >represented an Elohite's ability to use emotional and intellectual >manipulation to create the conditions for his test. This is what I >assumed happened, as opposed to Jean being... well, truthful. (I'm >trying not to spoil -- it's a vignette that deserves to be experienced.) > I have to agree- this shows a great illustration of a Lighter way of looking at an Elohitish mindset, one devoted equally to all things without irrational emotion changing the possible outcome. That he would risk something like Vapula happening again (Again, wow. Great lineage story. Always enjoy seeing the twisted families of Heaven and Hell.) shows how different Jean is from say Dominic, who would never risk placing such temptation in front of a servitor. Nicely done Moe. Also, I don't see the Mage in it. Okay, you've got the messing around with reality, but we're talking about one being, who is the Archangel of Lightning, who can do it retroactively and who only wishes to make things run smoothly- which is pretty much the complete opposite of everything Mage (not counting the last bit which resonates nicely with the Technocracy), which is a game devoted to many individuals who are expressing their own opinions upon reality, trying to shape it in the here and now, and being punished -personally- by reality for doing so. Jean, however, has just been given carte blanche to do with the universe as he will since, well, forever. What surprised me most of this story is how powerful Jean is. I always saw him as being subordinate to Raphael until her death. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:44:29 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (pt 3) At 5:46 PM -0700 10/28/02, sirea@softhome.net wrote: >>> I find myself in love with the wacky Balakite. >>>Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, [...] >>> being ridden by a Renegade Shedite of the Game) >> >> Tsk, that's likely to cause trouble, what with Timon being a Balakite of >> Fate... > >What, that I like him, or that A Renegade Gamer is in my skull? o.o Both. O:> >Apparently, she was going for a Big Joke all along... nows she's hiding in >my skull, hiding from Azzy, hoping her Boss will come round sometime :/ she >wants the Word of Pranking Tightasses ;-; she's mean!) *LAUGH* Well, at least as a Game-Shedite (she does have the attunement, right?) she doesn't _need_ to corrupt you, right? Suggest all the fun she could have as a Kyriotate of the Wind! >[...] so keep going on yours, I really like it :D I'm working on it... O:> - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2838 ********************************