in_nomine-digest Tuesday, November 5 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2847 In this digest: Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (part 8) Re: IN> A ? about Sirea's INverse- Re: IN> A ? about Sirea's INverse- Re: IN> A ? about Sirea's INverse- Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (part 8) Re: IN> Fallen Superiors and Such IN> Kronos (RE: Fallen Superiors and Such) Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (part 8) IN> A small clearing in the Groves Re: IN> A ? about Sirea's INverse- IN> The official AA's and DP's of INverse IN>New Attunements Re: IN>New Attunements Re: IN> A small clearing in the Groves Re: IN> Phantasms IN> Balseraph of War Attunement RE: IN> Balseraph of War Attunement Re: IN> Fallen Superiors and Such Re: IN> Balseraph of War Attunement Re: IN> Fallen Superiors and Such Re: IN> Fallen Superiors Re: IN> Balseraph of War Attunement ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:50:11 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (part 8) I just knew how that fight was going to end -- but after Part VII, I'd have been disappointed if it hadn't. Nice buildup, too. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two kinds of selfishness: the kind that says, 'I must do what will make me happy,' and the kind that says, 'You must do what will make me happy.' The first is good, the second is bad." - -- Kenton E. Sinner

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Unfortunately, his Word was so hurt by then that he couldn't achieve Superior status- and instead he took on the Word of Individuality, so that he could continue his duties, albeit in a different manner. --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 17:57:29 -0500 (EST) From: jamoge@wm.edu Subject: Re: IN> A ? about Sirea's INverse- > > You start getting barbarian invasions. > > Until Malphas, AA of Diversity, steps in to > break up the > barbarian tribes. Not until after they invade > Rome, thus > allowing all of the conquered nations to revert > to their > indigenous cultures, of course. > Aye, aye. Simplest move in chess. Make a sudden strike out in one direction while you start planning out the actual check in another. There's about 4 or 500 years between the final fall of Rome and the rise of Hel. I'm going to say that Malphas may have been able to get the Visigoths and Ostrogoths to revert to their native tongues and tribes, but you've still got humans who will lead them to their appointed place in human history. Sides, the now diverse population might actually be an easier target for Michael, once he personally comes to start gathering the tribes together. Remember, he starts much further north than the barbarian tribes settled. Actually, I'm waiting for someone to bring up the Islamic Spain that has long since been created at this point. Al-Andalus would make an interesting dark horse for Heaven to back against Michael. How's that for INverse- a Heaven that unites with Islam. Hey, Sirea, have you pegged a Commander of the Host yet? Actually, this just occured to me- how to handle Khalid? I'm not on my laptop so I can't see where Sirea put him, but if he is in Hell, it might be interesting to possibly see him switching sides at some point. Perhaps Heaven rallies because of the Redemption and the assumption of the Word of Faith. Course, that could be too canon for you, and it is a bit off in the timescale. Josh ^_^' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:59:57 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> A ? about Sirea's INverse- > > Thoughts? Comments? Critques? Flaming fruit? > > > Josh > > ^_^' > Hey... I liked this setup and idea. I had forgot about the warrior worship cults that Mike and Baal started for the Essence boost, and this would work well with INverse Michael. Starting to get them used to him as God and everything :D with some adaptation, this could make a good plot seed! Oh, and about Legion. She is the Archangel of Virtue, but is severly weak in the modern setting. The way I had it (subject to much change though) was that she planned to mass-possess mankind, in order to forticate their minds against the powers of Hell, especially Christopher, the recently dubbed Demon Prince of Sin. She tried to do it and started to succeed, but Christopher had anticipated this, and with the help of some other Princes he cornered Legion and beat her down to a near-remnant. She survived, but is now the weakest Archangel in the House of Peace, and is no longer powerful enough to possess huge amounts of humans and add her Word to their being. --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:04:06 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (part 8) > He wasn't as good a kisser as he probably thought he was, but it > wasn't a chore. *laughs* well, that was "cute". If you find a murderous, Bloodthirsty Lilim making out with a wacky bishounen Balakite cute... Which I do :D --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:14:43 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Fallen Superiors and Such I'm sure someone else has managed to answer these, but what the heck... At 1:54 PM -0700 11/1/02, sirea@softhome.net wrote: >Michael: Was a Wordless angel before the Fall, but became the AA of War >after he defeated Lucifer. There is some speculation though, that he was >always the AA of War. Or that he was a Wordless Superior. >Laurence: Was not at the Fall. Was he created by Uriel? He was created, long after the Fall, by Uriel, as a Malakite. >Dominic: Was he the Angel of Judgment before the Fall, Just Angel, before the Fall. Who did he serve? Oh, probably no one, really, though he likely took inspiration from Destiny. Before the Fall, "unattached" angels were far more common. (These days, it's presumed that non-Superiors need guidance, to prevent them from tripping up the plots of Archangels or otherwise getting into trouble from being unsupervised.) >Novalis: Was she only the Angel of Flowers at the Fall, Yes. > who did she serve? Was she fledged, or created? It is my THINKING that she served... no one, really. See above. And that she fledged from a reliever that dripped off Eli or something. This is not canon, this is subject to change, this is merely something in my head. >Blandine: Was always AA of Dreams. She may have been just Angel of Dreams for a while, but was AA by the time of the Fall. Unless I'm in a wrong timeline again. >Jordi: Was always Aa of Animals. This was in... the APG? He was AA at the time of the Fall, but was not created with his Word. >Marc: He was voted to AA of Trade after the Fall. Was he at the Fall though? Well, no. The existing AAs were not _voted_ to get the title... >Oannes: Was always AA of the Waters. There is doubt to his Choir, but >everyone seems to envision him as a Kyriotate. Not always -- just before the Fall. >Raphael: Was always AA of Knowledge. Or was she promoted? If so, who did she >serve if anyone? Probably Yves if she was promoted. I suspect she was just an Angel of Knowledge once, but was AA for a good long while. >Azrael: Here's a messy one. What is canon is that there is an AA of Death. That's iffy-canon, BTW. SJ has said, in the past, that he doesn't want to get into that bit. >Janus: Was always the AA of the Wind. Was AA before the Fall, rather. Was once an un-Worded angel! >Jean: Was he an AA before the Fall? Or was he just the Angel of Lightning? >Was he created, or did he fledge? Who did he serve? He, like Raphael, are -- I believe this is in the APG -- said to have shown up with Yves. I have been presuming that Yves created the pair. >Magog: Okay. He was a Kyrio of Stone before the Fall, and Angel of >Fortitude. Was he an AA though? No. >Vephar: He was an Angel of the Waters for Oannes. Did he Fall before or >after the Rebellion? Er, during. O:> >Beleth: Was always the AA of Fear. Fell to become the DP of Nightmares. Angel of Fear, actually, was one of her other titles. I suspect that she got promoted at some point. >Mammon: I know nothing about him actually. [...] I'm not asking this >for the list, I'm personally asking this because I don't know! :D Mmm, Superiors 4, mmmmm. O;> >Makatiel: He was the Prince of Disease, and a Habbalite. Did he Fall or was >he Hellborn? Did he fledge, or was he created? Who did he serve? There's not much on him. In _MY OWN MIND_ which might or might not leak out to become canon someday, he was Hellborn, or a post-Rebellion Fallen angel (no Word, etc.). I'd have to look around to see who he might have served. >Kobal: Was he the Angel or Archangel of Laughter at the Fall? Angel. >Asmodeus: Again, was he at the Fall? Did he serve Dominic? Was he created, >or did he fledge? Did he Fall with Lucifer, or did he go afterwards? Yes, yes, dunno, with. >Vapula: He was a Hellborn Habbalite who got the Word of Technology. Did he >fledge? Was he created? Did he serve anyone before his elevation? Superiors 4; created. >Alaemon: I know nothing about him, like with Mammon and Fleurity. Superiors 4, you Need this book! O:> >Mariel: Was she the Angel or Archangel of Memory at the Fall? Was she made, >or did she fledge? Did she serve anyone if she was merely the Angel of >Memory? I believe she was the Angel of Memory, not AA, and have it in my mind that she worked with/for Raphael and/or Jean. At 4:37 PM -0500 11/1/02, Chris Bergstresser wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sirea@softhome.net >> Subject: IN> Fallen Superiors and Such >> >> Song: What is canon is that there is a AA of Song, and she is a >> Grigori. All >> we don't know is her name. > > Hrm. I'd have hoped this would have been mentioned in the writeup for >Israfel, Angel of Music. Where is this canon from? GURPS IN; Song got created in some private discussions with SJ, at a time when it seemed Grigori and Children of the Grigori were far closer to getting a book or four than they are now. This discussion, however, was post-Israfel. There was some discussion that Israfel might have been Worded _after_ Song was exiled, partly to replace her role in Heaven. - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:13:19 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Kronos (RE: Fallen Superiors and Such) At 8:33 PM -0500 11/1/02, Chris Bergstresser wrote: > I find that deeply dissatisfying. Is the official position, then, that >the core rules are wrong on this point and intentionally so? It was the official position before I showed up, near as I can tell, yes. If there were a second edition of the main book, I'd likely bring it into line with GURPS IN (barring SJ telling me otherwise), but it's not something stray players are supposed to know, and really makes little difference in play anyway, so it's not errata, either. - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:23:45 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> [Fiction] Professional Courtesy (part 8) At 2:50 PM -0800 11/4/02, Michael Walton wrote: > I just knew how that fight was going to end -- but after >Part VII, I'd have been disappointed if it hadn't. Nice >buildup, too. Thank you. And, just in case anyone is wondering, it is _not_ a "fade to black." But I'll deal with that in the next chunk. (Yeah, I knew how it had to end, too. It wound up a little different after the brawl started, but essentially...) - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:13 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: IN> A small clearing in the Groves Amongst the trees, a bit off the usual routes to anywhere. There's a Cherub here, who doesn't seem talkative. This is interesting; let's keep watch a little while. Angels come along; a slightly mixed bunch. Several blackwings, a Seraph of Judgement - you don't often see a Hyena here, but the Michaelites seem to tolerate him, as if for a purpose. A few of Flowers, and, yes ... many of the Wind in the trees. What are they doing? A blackwing unwraps his Heart from a bag; the Seraph steps up to him, takes his hand and listens closely to his declaration. He nods, and the blackwing lays his heart at the centre of the clearing, and leaves, briskly. What /is/ all this? The remaining angels settle down and wait. They seem patient except for those of the Wind, and they're taking shifts. Three days later, the blackwing comes back. He's greeted by his fellows, and takes up his heart. What was all that about? Elohim of War can be scary. When you set a few of them to thinking of worst cases, you get some pretty bad ones. There are quite a few cases where a mission is really important, but giving it a big escort would give the game away. The trick is to give it a way of calling for help that's really hard to block. And Elohim are good at spotting ways to make use of unique advantages. Michael's Malakim don't usually participate. Getting yourself killed deliberately as a fast way of getting back to your heart that's hard for an enemy - even a Superior - to stop feels a little like retreating from combat. Since it has to be a judgement call when you do it, it's hard to give orders. Besides, Michael doesn't really like the idea of calling for help. But you get Malakim of other Archangels who are willing to pull this trick, if it seems necessary and the need has been anticipated. The Seraph is there to get the Truth of what happened: any reasonable Seraph of Judgement with a cooperative target reckons to manage that one reliably. And the Windies are there to spread the word, very fast. Healers to put the Malakite back together if needed - this trick doesn't get used for ordinary everyday life-or-death situations. It's kept secret - but not too secret. It's always as well to have the other side wondering if the maniacal Malakite is a trick. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:39:26 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> A ? about Sirea's INverse- > Actually, I'm waiting for someone to bring up the > Islamic Spain that has long since been created at this > point. Al-Andalus would make an interesting dark horse > for Heaven to back against Michael. How's that for > INverse- a Heaven that unites with Islam. > > Hey, Sirea, have you pegged a Commander of the Host yet? Well... so far Baal is the Commander of the Host and the leader of the House of War, with Belial as his second in command. > > > Actually, this just occured to me- how to handle > Khalid? I'm not on my laptop so I can't see where > Sirea put him, but if he is in Hell, it might be > interesting to possibly see him switching sides at some > point. Perhaps Heaven rallies because of the > Redemption and the assumption of the Word of Faith. > > Course, that could be too canon for you, and it is a > bit off in the timescale. Khally is the Prince of Fanaticism still >:) and a evil bugger at that. Furfur, the most recent Archangel, holds the Word of Zeal, and opposes the old Habbalite with his new found fervor. --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 17:50:43 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: IN> The official AA's and DP's of INverse Some people on the list wondering what the AA's and DP's on INverse are. What I forget to mention I suppose is the whole point of INverse: that all the canon Superiors are on the opposite sides :D this seems like a trite and cliche' idea, and yes, it is, but I'm trying to make it work by developing a whole world and such where things went the opposite way, instead of just making Superiors as if they Redeemed or Fell. Anyways, below is the list of the AA's and DP's of INverse, their Words, Choir/Band, their House they are alinged with, and so on. They are listed within each House in descending order of relative power. -HEAVEN- **House of War** Baal, Seraph Archangel of Valor (/) Belial, Ofanite/Malakite Archangel of Fury (!) Valefor, Ofanite Archangel of Chaos Asmodeus, Cherub Archangel of Justice Vephar, Ofanite Archangel of the Ocean Magog, Kyriotate/Malakite Archangel of Fortitude Beleth, Cherub Archangel of Awe Furfur, Ofanite Archangel of Zeal (/) Alaemon, Mercurian Archangel of Trust **House of Peace** Makatiel, Elohite Archangel of Life (!) Andrealphus, Mercurian Archangel of Love Nybbas, Mercurian Archangel of Communication (/) Genubath, Ofanite/Kyriotate Archangel of Healing (!) Saminga, Kyriotate Archangel of Transcendence Haagenti, Ofanite Archangel of Gusto Mammon, Seraph Archangel of Equality (Julian) Fleurity, Elohite Archangel of Medicine Legion, Kyriotate Archangel of Virtue **House of Balance** Lucifer, Seraph Archangel of Light (/) Kobal, Mercuarian Archangel of Laughter Yves, ??? Archangel of Destiny (!) Beelzebub, Cherub Archangel of Absolution Vapula, Elohite Archangel of Science! Malphas, Kyriotate Archangel of Individuality Mariel, Cherub Archangel of Memory Meserach, Cherub Archangel of Diligence (/) Lilith, Arch Human of Free Will (/) -HELL- **House of Destruction** Michael, Balseraph Demon King of War-Hubris-Darkness (!) Laurence, Impudite/Honorite Demon Prince of the Blade (/) Janus, Calabite Demon Prince of the Storm Dominic, Balseraph Demon Prince of Condemnation Gabriel, Calabite Demon Princess of Wrath Uriel, Balseraph/Honorite Demon Prince of Perfection Jordi, Shedite Demon Prince of Genocide **House of Defilement** Christopher, Djinn Demon Prince of Sin (/) Jean, Habbalite Demon Prince of Thunder (/) Marc, Impudite Demon Prince of the Deal (!) Zadkiel, Djinn Demon Princess of Weakness (/) Oannes, Shedite Demon Prince of the Heavens (/) Khalid, Habbalite Demon Prince of Fanaticism Litheroy, Balseraph Demon Prince of Accusation (Julian) **House of Eternity** Novalis, Djinn Demon Princess of Twilight (EDG) Blandine, Djinn Demon Princess of Despair Kronos, ??? Demon Prince of Fate (!) Azrael, Skulker Demon Prince of Life (/) Raphael, Habbalite Demon Princess of Power (/) David, Djinn/Honorite Demon Prince of Assimilation (Mike) Eli, Impudite Demon Prince of the Cancer (!) (!) = Complete, but may be in the process of revision still (/) = Half done by me (Name) = Someone else is working on it I suppose I should ask now rather than later... if there is anyone who see's an available Superior on the list that they would be interested in trying their hand at, then email me personally and I'll give guidelines for you to do it. There is no deadline or limit of anykind. Also, like Josh and his excellent writeup, I extend the offer to anyone who would like to write history or background or anything for INverse, within a few parameters I have set for the world. I'll send the "primer file", but here's a summary- If Brightness goes on a scale from one to ten, one being pitch black and ten being pure white, INverse is about a 3, with some spots at 7 or 8. The contrast follows the same scale. Among the Superiors, the contrast is very high, with Princes around 9 or 10, and Archangels around 7 or 8. Humor level can fluctuate, but is typically average to low (high when good old Kobal gets in the mix :) --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:48:53 -0800 From: edenesque@juno.com Subject: IN>New Attunements I was daydreaming in my personality theories class and I came up with these new attunements. Please tell me what you think of them. :) White Noise (Destiny) With this attunement and the expenditure of 2 Essence, an angel of Destiny can enter a Contest of Wills with a demon. If the angel succeeds, the demon's personal symphony is drowned out by a horrendous, screeching white noise for a number of hours equal to the angel's Will. Angels of Destiny use this to convince demons of the inherent flaws of their personal symphonies versus the True Symphony, and to help Redemption candidates to realize what they are leaving behind. EUREKA! (Lightning) When conversing with a mortal, an angel of Lightning can expend 1 Essence and give the mortal a breakthrough inspiration regarding the subject of discussion. The breakthrough is instanteous, but the angel does not decide what the breakthrough will be or what the mortal will do with the idea. Brainstorm (Lightning or Creation) Sometimes, keeping yourself focused can be so difficult. With the Brainstorm attunement, an angel of Lightning (or Creation) can speak to a mortal and, by expending 1 Essence, get them thinking on whatever subject the angel next proposes. The idea sparks off a storm of ideas that gets the creative juices flowing on whatever subject has been implanted, but of course, whatever ideas emerge belong solely to the mortal, not the angel. Alternate Malakite of Lightning attunement Borrowing a page from Gabriel, Jean has created this attunement for his hard-working Malakim. Malakim of Lightning can cover their hands in a nimbus of blue electricity. This is a hand-to-hand attack, equal in Power to the angel's Celestial Forces with an Accuracy of -1. It may not be the fire that burns the cruel, but it will still be a shocking experience to a foe. Speedy E-Mail (Lightning) This one was suggested by Orc, the Angel of Networks. For 3 Essence, an angel of Lightning can compress their beings into digital data and e-mail themselves from one place to another! When the e-mail is opened, the angel rematerializes corporeally. Viruses and data cleaning tools can inflict damage to a compressed angel's Forces while they are e-mail. Jitterbug (Wind or Creation) For 1 Essence, the angel can give a nearby mortal that jittery, high-strung energy boost that coffee or sugar brings when consumed. The subject is bursting with energy to spare, and can hardly contain themselves. This is useful for snapping a person out of depression. The effect fades after an hour. Rapid Transit (Wind) This handy attunement of the Wind allows an angel to compress their matter down to a stream of densely packed molecules and literally ride the wind from one destination to another. It costs 3 Essence and the angel can be transported no more than a number of miles equal to their Corporeal Forces along the wind before rematerializing at whereever they are. The angel will not rematerialize in solid matter, but there is no guarantee that they won't be high up when they become matter again! This is an attunement much coveted by Trade. CEO's on the Perpwalk (Trade) There has been much corporate scandal of late, and Marc is understandably concerned about it. This attunement lets an angel of Trade see a person who is most infected with greed (whether it is the discord, natural greed, or that inspired by a Servitor of Greed) for 2 Essence on a Will roll. Its' up to the angel to decide what to do next. Alternate Malakite of Children attunement Nothing gets an angel of Children hotter under the collar than child abuse. When one of Christopher's Malakim is in the presence of an abused child, they gain +3 to all attacks. Add another +2 if the attacks are against the child's abuser. >From the Mind of a Child (Children) For 2 Essence, an angel of Children can take any object that has been created by a child (whether drawn, colored, sculpted, painted, etc.), and manifest it as a real object for a number of hours equal to their Will. This is useful for relating to children, and sometimes for protecting them too! Babble (Revelation) For 1 Essence, the angel may engage in a Contest of Wills with a person or demon. If the subject loses the Contest, they will begin to babble anything and everything on their mind, at the top of their voice, to whoever happens to be nearby. The effect fades after an hour, but, oh, the secrets that can be revealed in an hour! Right Back at Ya! (Protection) For 2 Essence, the angel may envelop the subject (which can be themselves) in a protective bubble (Corporeal, Ethereal, or Celestial, which must be chosen at the time the attunement is invoked). Any attack that strikes the bubble will bounce harmlessly off of it and strike the attacker instead! The attack must be one the bubble is attuned to (so a corporeal attack for a coporeal bubble, etc.). The effect lasts for a number of minutes equal to the angel's Ethereal Forces. Photosynthesis (Flowers) For 3 Essence, the angel may gather in the surrounding light (natural or no), and use it to regain lost Hits (Mind, Body, or Soul, chosen at the time the attunement is activated). The effect fades within half an hour, but the Hits regenerated remain regenerated after the attunement's effects wear off. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:34:43 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN>New Attunements >I was daydreaming in my personality theories class and I came up with >these new attunements. Please tell me what you think of them. :) >From the Mind of a Child (Children) This is my favorite. I'd limit it to nonliving things, of course, and keep their drawn size -- children often draw Suns in their pictures, and while a miniature Sun can be very handy in the dark, a full-size one would be... inconvenient. ;^) >Babble (Revelation) Cute/nasty... and I bet Secrets would love it too. >Right Back at Ya! (Protection) Bit overpowered compared to Corporeal Shields; seconds of duration would seem better. >Photosynthesis (Flowers) This has been done before with Flowers, though I think in different ways; all of them have the same basic theme, naturally. Check in any working archives that may currently exist for other versions. Maybe whoever eventually writes up Novalis ought to take the hint. ;^) William ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 05:34:10 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> A small clearing in the Groves Yup, I can see Heaven using this trick. What I can't see is Michael giving up a potential resource -- kamikaze Malakim are too good to pass up. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two kinds of selfishness: the kind that says, 'I must do what will make me happy,' and the kind that says, 'You must do what will make me happy.' The first is good, the second is bad." - -- Kenton E. Sinner

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 09:59:32 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Phantasms At 04:28 AM 11/5/2002 +0800, Jeffery Watkins wrote: >Like this alternative, or rather addition to ghost. Question, which a good >re-read might answer but I'll ask anyway. Does Stalking mean its not bound >to a spot to haunt? That's an interesting point, and one I hadn't thought about. A phantasm is bound either to the place of its death or to the object which caused it (i.e., a murder victim who became a phantasm might become bound either to the alley where he was murdered or to the knife with which he was stabbed). In rare cases, phantasms actually anchor themselves to the person who killed them. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 11:36:43 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: IN> Balseraph of War Attunement Okay. MY original Balseraph of Michael attunement stunk. I've been wracking my brain for something better, and have managed to come up with this- Balseraphim: Serpents of War are the ones who spread misinformation throughout the Symphony. The Balseraph may use his resonance to alter written documents to say what he wishes, up to 1000 x the Balseraph's total Forces in words at a time. This altercation will last for the Balseraph's Ethereal Forces in hours. Also, anything that the Balseraph resonates will not be detected as a lie by a Seraphic resonance! Instead, the Seraph will simply get a jarred note from the Symphony, as if his resonance had not worked. It's pretty rough still, but I seriously COULD NOT get a good idea for these guys, for some weird reason. If anyone else has a good idea for an attunement, feel free to tell me, because this is the only thing holding me back from completing Dark Michael. --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:50:36 -0500 From: "Adams, David" Subject: RE: IN> Balseraph of War Attunement <> Here is a little something, I leave the bells and whistles up to someone more eloquent than myself. Serpents of Michael on a sucessful resonance roll are able to make allies appear as the enemy and vice versa to the target. Duration euqual to CD minutes. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:16:14 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Fallen Superiors and Such Elizabeth McCoy writes: > I'm sure someone else has managed to answer these, but what the heck... > > At 1:54 PM -0700 11/1/02, sirea@softhome.net wrote: >>Michael: Was a Wordless angel before the Fall, but became the AA of War >>after he defeated Lucifer. There is some speculation though, that he was >>always the AA of War. > > Or that he was a Wordless Superior. Hmm... I had forgot about that theory. Hey, is the status of Mike before the Fall something that goes under CDaU? >>Dominic: Was he the Angel of Judgment before the Fall, > > Just Angel, before the Fall. Who did he serve? Oh, probably no one, really, > though he likely took inspiration from Destiny. Before the Fall, "unattached" > angels were far more common. (These days, it's presumed that non-Superiors > need guidance, to prevent them from tripping up the plots of Archangels > or otherwise getting into trouble from being unsupervised.) That's painfully ironic. Angel of Judgment is unnatached to people before the Fall... and brutally questions anyone afterwards who isn't. Old Dommy is just a bag of contradictions, isn't he? :D >>Blandine: Was always AA of Dreams. > > She may have been just Angel of Dreams for a while, but was > AA by the time of the Fall. Unless I'm in a wrong timeline again. Heh, sorry. When I say "Was always AA of X", I really mean "Was an AA since time began, or since before the Fall". >>Marc: He was voted to AA of Trade after the Fall. Was he at the Fall though? > > Well, no. The existing AAs were not _voted_ to get the title... Wasn't Marc the only AA ever voted to the position? > > >>Raphael: Was always AA of Knowledge. Or was she promoted? If so, who did she >>serve if anyone? Probably Yves if she was promoted. > > I suspect she was just an Angel of Knowledge once, but was AA for a good > long while. Like Oannes (which is non-canon of course) I always saw her as the first Elohite (with Oannes as the first Kyriotate). > >>Azrael: Here's a messy one. What is canon is that there is an AA of Death. > > That's iffy-canon, BTW. SJ has said, in the past, that he doesn't want to > get into that bit. Ah. It was mentioned in Night Music... and those series of books weren't exactly uber-well made... so the AA of Death may not even exist I take it then? > >>Janus: Was always the AA of the Wind. > > Was AA before the Fall, rather. Was once an un-Worded angel! See above with Blandine. (off topic, I get weird sometimes with her name. I say "Blan-Dine", but sometimes say it as "Baln-Deen-Eh". Too much anime I suppose o.o;) >>Vephar: He was an Angel of the Waters for Oannes. Did he Fall before or >>after the Rebellion? > > Er, during. O:> During ^_^; >>Mammon: I know nothing about him actually. [...] I'm not asking this >>for the list, I'm personally asking this because I don't know! :D > > Mmm, Superiors 4, mmmmm. O;> I know, I know -_-; I'm waiting on money to come in, my bank account is reading in the double-digits currently >_<;; > >>Makatiel: He was the Prince of Disease, and a Habbalite. Did he Fall or was >>he Hellborn? Did he fledge, or was he created? Who did he serve? > > There's not much on him. In _MY OWN MIND_ which might or might not leak > out to become canon someday, he was Hellborn, or a post-Rebellion Fallen > angel (no Word, etc.). I'd have to look around to see who he might have > served. That's what I imagined. As for who he served... I'd say he would make a good candidate for a former Habby of Corruption (Beelzebub). > >>Alaemon: I know nothing about him, like with Mammon and Fleurity. > > Superiors 4, you Need this book! O:> See above ;-; double-digits. --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 14:52:22 -0500 From: Robb Kidd Subject: Re: IN> Balseraph of War Attunement sirea@softhome.net wrote: > Okay. MY original Balseraph of Michael attunement stunk. I've been wracking > my brain for something better, and have managed to come up with this- I can't locate the writeup for INverse Michael, so this is a shot in the dark as far as tone and feel go. The canon Seraph choir attunement for War is that their strikes tend to hit home. The INverse of this could be that the strikes of the opponents of Michael's Balseraphs tend *not* to hit. Balseraphs of War/Hubris/Darkness feint *very* well. Use of their resonance in combat allows them to "lie" to their opponents, adding penalties to the opposition's rolls to hit. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:13:32 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Fallen Superiors and Such At 12:16 PM -0700 11/5/02, sirea@softhome.net wrote: >Elizabeth McCoy writes: > >> I'm sure someone else has managed to answer these, but what the heck... >> >> At 1:54 PM -0700 11/1/02, sirea@softhome.net wrote: >>>Michael: Was a Wordless angel before the Fall, but became the AA of War >>>after he defeated Lucifer. There is some speculation though, that he was >>>always the AA of War. >> >> Or that he was a Wordless Superior. > >Hmm... I had forgot about that theory. Hey, is the status of Mike before the >Fall something that goes under CDaU? Probably, unless we get a Really Good Idea... >>>Dominic: Was he the Angel of Judgment before the Fall, >> >> Just Angel, before the Fall. Who did he serve? Oh, probably no one, really, [...] >That's painfully ironic. Angel of Judgment is unnatached to people before >the Fall... and brutally questions anyone afterwards who isn't. Old Dommy is >just a bag of contradictions, isn't he? :D Ah, but he learned from his experiences. After all, he had to personally tell Lucifer "NO," that he would _not_ be joining up... You've got Superiors 1, no? O;> >>>Blandine: Was always AA of Dreams. >> >> She may have been just Angel of Dreams for a while, but was >> AA by the time of the Fall. Unless I'm in a wrong timeline again. > >Heh, sorry. When I say "Was always AA of X", I really mean "Was an AA since >time began, or since before the Fall". Oh, okay. O:> >>>Marc: He was voted to AA of Trade after the Fall. Was he at the Fall though? >> >> Well, no. The existing AAs were not _voted_ to get the title... > >Wasn't Marc the only AA ever voted to the position? Nope. Novalis got voted to it as well. Now, all subsequent ones are presumably voted to the station. >>>Raphael: [...]I always saw her as the first Elohite [...] Me too, actually. Though Jean was probably created very soon (as in seconds or less, probably) after. They might have been created together, though. >>>Azrael: Here's a messy one. What is canon is that there is an AA of Death. >> >> That's iffy-canon, BTW. SJ has said, in the past, that he doesn't want to >> get into that bit. > >Ah. It was mentioned in Night Music... and those series of books weren't >exactly uber-well made... so the AA of Death may not even exist I take it >then? The AA of Death is currently DaU in many, many ways. Not CDaU -- it is entirely possible that something will be done with it -- but DaU at this time. >> Mmm, Superiors 4, mmmmm. O;> > >I know, I know -_-; I'm waiting on money to come in, my bank account is >reading in the double-digits currently >_<;; Owch. Luck... >>>Makatiel: [...] >That's what I imagined. As for who he served... I'd say he would make a good >candidate for a former Habby of Corruption (Beelzebub). A good point, there. - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:06:59 -0500 (EST) From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Fallen Superiors >>That's painfully ironic. Angel of Judgment is unnatached to people before the Fall... and brutally questions anyone afterwards who isn't. Old Dommy is just a bag of contradictions, isn't he? :D Not really. Dominic is simply determined to keep angels from Falling. Having been unattached to a Superior and tempted by Lucifer himself, he knows how bad things can be. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 20:53:25 +0000 From: glasgowc1@attbi.com Subject: Re: IN> Balseraph of War Attunement > It's pretty rough still, but I seriously COULD NOT get a good idea for these > guys, for some weird reason. If anyone else has a good idea for an > attunement, feel free to tell me, because this is the only thing holding me > back from completing Dark Michael. Well, when all else fails, try going back to the dirt- simple basics. Take the existing Seraph of War attunement and run it through the Mirror Dimension. Sure, it's nowhere near as cool or impressive or powerful as an original, but it still gets the job done. - -- Chuckg (And if you're playing GURPS IN, giving the Balseraph of War attunements the same Dodge bonuses that can be racked up with the GURPS IN Ofanite resonance roll re- introduces the "Matrix-style bullet time" effect, which *is* cool.) ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2847 ********************************