in_nomine-digest Monday, November 11 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2856 In this digest: Re: IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request Re: IN> IN Wuxia: A New Song Combo RE: IN> IN Wuxia: A New Song Combo Re: IN>Cathedral of Death Question Re: IN> INverse Superior, The Big One -- Lucifer, Seraph Archangel of Light Re: IN> INverse Superior, The Big One -- Lucifer, Seraph Archangel of Light Re: IN> Superiors and AA Re: IN> Questions about Kyriotates Re: IN> An interesting thought Re: IN> An interesting thought Re: IN> INverse Superior, The Big One -- Lucifer, Seraph Archangel of Light Re: IN> INverse Superior, The Big One -- Lucifer, Seraph Archangel of Light Re: IN> An interesting thought Re: IN> The Cathedral at the Gates of Heaven IN> The Ring IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request Re: IN> The Cathedral at the Gates of Heaven Re: IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request Re: IN> INverse Superior, The Big One -- Lucifer, Seraph Archangel of Light Re: IN> Superiors and AA Re: IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request Re: IN> Superiors and AA Re: IN> INverse Superior, The Big One -- INgeneral comment RE: IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request RE: IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request Re: IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request Re: IN> INverse Superior, The Big One -- Lucifer, Seraph Archangel of Light ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:58:39 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request >... lessee, Essence, got a copy of the Fermat Theorem proof here... >okay, here goes. *invoke invoke invoke* > >Shadur, Cherub of Lightning IST Orc >Angel of Underpaid Sysadmins With Too Much Time On Their Hands. Invocation Successful! You are both handed a copy of "Archaic Attunements for Gabriel," a post I made on March 17th of 2002 detailing a number of messenger-oriented Attunements for Gabriel's angels back when he was still sane. (Well, relatively so -- when you're God's personal Messenger, sanity is definitely more than a binary state.) This is, of course, not set in stone for our game, though I am fond of the Grigori Choir Attunement. William ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:12:22 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> IN Wuxia: A New Song Combo - --- Rolland Therrien wrote: > Wuxia Warrior I'm not a big fan of Song Combos -- it smacks of turning Songs into just Way Kewl Powerz IMO -- but this could be incorporated into a campaign pretty easily. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two kinds of selfishness: the kind that says, 'I must do what will make me happy,' and the kind that says, 'You must do what will make me happy.' The first is good, the second is bad." - -- Kenton E. Sinner

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:15:42 -0500 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: IN> IN Wuxia: A New Song Combo Michael Walton wrote: "I'm not a big fan of Song Combos -- it smacks of turning Songs into just Way Kewl Powerz IMO -- but this could be incorporated into a campaign pretty easily." How DO Songs differ from Way Kewl Powerz? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:16:53 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN>Cathedral of Death Question - --- Jeffery Watkins wrote: > Could the gates of Heaven, where > the souls end up be a cathedral for Death? I would say no. Azrael (the most popular name for the semi-canon AA of Death) would have his (Her? Its?) own Cathedral, probably on the "outskirts" of Heaven. It is canon that the AA of Death a) exists, and b) is rarely available, so the Cathedral of Death is likely to be someplace that most angels have never been. The gates, by contrast, are a place that most angels would visit at some point. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two kinds of selfishness: the kind that says, 'I must do what will make me happy,' and the kind that says, 'You must do what will make me happy.' The first is good, the second is bad." - -- Kenton E. Sinner

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:29:24 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> INverse Superior, The Big One -- Lucifer, Seraph Archangel of Light > I don't know why this didn't occur to me until this post, but if you've > already got Malakim Falling and Lilim being native to Heaven- why not > continue the switch? > > Skulkers- created by Hell after they were freed in order to quiet their > disturbance on Earth and quickly infiltrate humanity's works? Course, after > they were cast out of Hell because of their interbreeding with the lowly > humans, some began to see the selfishness of their existence and then > realized that they could serve a new cause in service to Heaven by locating > the activities of their former masters in Hell. > > > Eh? I actually hadn't considered that idea... but the it wouldn't fit with what I had already written, but it could be changed :D As it stands, the Grigori were created by God shortly after the Fall as demon detectors, but also as better conduits to the nature of humanity, as Lucifer had hoped. The Grigori did quite well, especially when the Horde finally busted out thanks to a misguided Lilith. However, many fell to temptation of subsuming themselves into human society, and not a few started to edge close to Falling. Asmodeus recalled every member of the 8th Choir (including the Archangel of Song, and Azrael, a very selfish Grigori of Life), and held a massive trial. Through the Word of Justice, Asmodeus saw that some were guilty, many were not (about a third of the Girgori, however many there are in your game, were guilty of Lust, Sloth, Greed, and so on). Asmodeus Outcasted some, and put others to be counciled by angels of Love, Absolution, Destiny and Light, in hopes of reforming them. Still, a sizeable number of Grigori rebelled, and left to walk earth. Michael came to many of them, and spoke with gilded tongue of the rewards they would have if they came with him, served Hell, and gave him the secret of their creation and powers. So those Girgori Fell... and became Dark Grigori, the Skulkers, appearing as black skinned giants with wide, lidless eyes filled with selfish desire. Azrael ate the Firstborn's words, line, hook and sinker. He served as a Skulker of War for a long time, before he finally managed to petition Michael for a Word of his own. The Firstborn felt particulary clever that day, and made Azrael the Demon Prince of Life, Hell's combat medics and promoters of "easy living", and the sole producer of undead, which Azrael calls the "ultimate expression of Life". Although he was driven mad from Word-friction from Makatiel almost right away, the selfish Skulker handeled madness well. The Archangel of Song had also been found quite guilty of many crimes, but Heaven knew she could reconcile her ways. Instead though, she chose to walk with her Outcasted choirmates, and is the wildcard of IN. So there are not as many Skulkers in Hell as there are Giants in Heaven, but they're there. A mass Redemption of a large number of demons in INverse is, sadly, quite unfathomable... but I may consider it :D (Ah, more on the CotG, CotDG, and Nephallim later) --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:31:52 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> INverse Superior, The Big One -- Lucifer, Seraph Archangel of Light >> Wouldn't this do absolutely nothing to Balseraphs? They never knowingly >> lie. > > They would take a Mind Hit along with a point of > dissonance for lying -- which, like Seraphim, they > can do in times of need IIRC. Granted, it's not a > huge loss, but still... > > -- Julian Mensch Honestly, like I said, much of the writeup needs to be cleaned up and refined ^_^; (I typed it a wee bit too late, in a fit of Creation...). I hd forgot that Balseraphim never think they lie, and the attunement did state "lying from their point of view". I thought to change it to "lying from the Symphonies view", but this makes it like a watered down Seraphim resonance, and is way too easily abused that way. --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:59:34 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Superiors and AA At 10:27 PM -0500 11/8/02, William J. Keith wrote: >I wonder if any other Tether could possibly support this state change. The >only one that comes to mind is Io, and I can't really think of much an >Archangel of Io would do. There's the Great Red Spot on Jupiter, which I think is plausible for Wind... Though for a giant hurricane bigger than the Earth, it hasn't _changed_ much... - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:20:10 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Questions about Kyriotates At 8:42 PM -0500 11/9/02, Rolland Therrien wrote: >Hi, the first question is addressed to Beth, concerning the Gurps: In Nomine >version of the Kyriotates. Oh, gods... I'll need to drag in Walter for this one, maybe. He's the one who hacked the resonances. (I did the Songs and descriptive text.) >It's when the two are put together that causes me confusion: A Domination >can possess multiple hosts at once, and can split itself up to 9 ways at >once, but the total power of all it's hosts is limited: It can possess 9 >mice, 4-5 cats or one average human and a few small animals. There is, >unfortunetly, no suggestions as to how a Kyrio could increase the number of >Hosts he can control. There isn't? I thought that... Hrm, drat, I suppose it's not clearly marked... In the regular In Nomine, the hosts' Forces must be equal to (or less than) the Kyrio's Forces. This means, when the Kyrio gets a Force, it can possess another Force-worth of host(s). The average Kyrio starts with 9 Forces, so... I would suggest not sticking too closely to the Mindshare thing, and focusing on the other rules in the second column of the box on p. GIN55. (ignore the 9 ways sentence; I add the G for this list. O:> ) Assume the Mindshare thing is the _average_ number of hosts, not the upper limit; the real limit becomes "the total of Hosts' (lower of ST or IQ) must not exceed the angel's own Will." Let Superiors add more Strong Will, and presto -- more hosts! As for PI -- my memory was better when I answered William Keith. O:> (The other option would have been a chart -- we had no room for a chart! GIN is bigger than the frippin' original book already! Aie! Aie!) Now, come to think of it, I _could_ suggest errating p. GIN55, so that it says, instead of "9 ways," "(Power Investiture) ways" -- that would raise the total number of IttyBitty hosts (as indeed happens in the original), but combined with the limit of total (ST or IQ) not exceeding Will, might produce something reasonable. Hm. - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:26:41 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> An interesting thought At 12:26 PM -0500 11/10/02, William J. Keith wrote: >Besides, in my opinion, if everybody who goes to Heaven achieves their >Destiny and everybody who goes to Hell achieves their Fate, and any >significant fraction of humanity goes to one or the other, then either >there are a lot of small Destinies and Fates out there, or a lot of the >events that influence the history of the world are very well hidden. Which is, indeed, one of the things that angels debate. Was it someone's destiny to "lead a good life"? (There may have been destinies so defined, or similiarly defined, by Divine Destiny... Up to the GM.) Is it simply an "alternate destiny" which _any_ human can achieve, but which doesn't crop up on DD if there's a more specific one? Does Yves give a straight answer? - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:33:11 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> An interesting thought At 5:40 AM -0800 11/11/02, Michael Walton wrote: >--- Kish wrote: >> he must have acheieved his destiny. [...] >>must have been the best he was capable of...right? > > Not necessarily. Achieving only means that he >accomplished what he was Destined to accomplish. Had he >been the best that he could be, he might have accomplished >even more. In FotM, there is a concept that some humans have destinies (and fates?) that are "off the scale." They may have something that they can do which will secure their spot in Heaven (or Hell?), but that's not the BEST thing they can do -- they have the personality and/or luck that means their contribution to the Symphony has no upper bound. Achieving even the least of their potential will have important effects... It's something of a McGuffin for Destiny and Fate Servitors to chase after, but it can be used... - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:41:30 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> INverse Superior, The Big One -- Lucifer, Seraph Archangel of Light Maurice Lane writes: > > --- sirea@softhome.net wrote: >> (Well, here he is, the Lightbringer himself :D >> Please be hard on him, he >> needs much refining! Thanks ^_^) > > One general comment: I noticed that most of Lucifer's > Servitor Attunements cost Essence to use. Given his > need to keep the Symphony clean, maybe there should be > an Attunement that'll reduce disturbance (or just cut > the Essence costs for some)? > > Other than that, it looks pretty good. Got a website > yet? > > Moe > Reduce Essence cost... if I can balance it, that's a good idea for an attunement. In the world of INverse, Lucifer is more concered with revealing Truth and casting back darkness than he is with hiding angelic nature though (God wasn't -quite- as pressing with the whole "keep yourself hidden" thing in this reality). As for the website... yes there is one, give me until tonight, and There Shall Be Light :) --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:43:21 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> INverse Superior, The Big One -- Lucifer, Seraph Archangel of Light > Yes and no. There is a website in the making but it's not /quite/ > unleashable yet. Sirea muttered something about within a couple of weeks.. > :) Tonight, I promise tonight ;-; > > As webmom for the INverse site I can also tell you that until I get the > introduction/background thingie that the Brain-in-Chief (Sirea) has > promised me for weeks now, there will be no unleashing even after the said > two weeks! >:) > > The correct answer now, Sirea is: "Yes webmom! Here you are webmom!" > Punctuated with a handing over of said document per email... ;P Yes mistress I obey! *sound of whiplash* ;-; I'm working on it as we speak, I kept getting stuck on making it sound good :D --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:46:30 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> An interesting thought > Which is, indeed, one of the things that angels debate. Was it someone's > destiny to "lead a good life"? (There may have been destinies so defined, > or similiarly defined, by Divine Destiny... Up to the GM.) Is it simply an > "alternate destiny" which _any_ human can achieve, but which doesn't crop > up on DD if there's a more specific one? Does Yves give a straight answer? Yves? A straight answer? Have you been in Fleurity's stash or something? ^_~ As for Destiny... I like it keep it secret IMG also, but there is doubt wether one has to be Destined in order to reach Heaven... although achieving your Destiny is like getting a giant gold ticket that says "HEAVENWARDS, HO!" in it. --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:49:29 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> The Cathedral at the Gates of Heaven > She looked forward, and there was light. Nice fic... I find myself partial to the idea that Azrael's Cathedral -is- the Gates of Heaven, and that helps to add to the whole "light at the end of the tunnel" idea, a quiet walk through darkness until you reach your final destination. Must be real uncomfy if he's a Grigori though... :P --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:54:59 -0500 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> The Ring > A very creative Nybbas that feeds mortals with so much > intellectual stimulus that it makes them go mad. > Dark Nybbas, Impudite Demon Prince of Media > > "The world is... an illusion. Static. Sensory extremes that you can never > comprehend. The world is ALL IN YOUR MIND" And on that theme, from the movie _Videodrome_ (A Nybbas/Vapula Production): "The battle for the mind of North America will be fought in the video arena." "The television screen is the retina of the mind's eye. Therefor the television screen is part of the physical structure of the brain. Therefore, whatever appears on the television screen, emerges as raw experience for those who watch it. Therefore, television is reality, and reality is less than television." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:11:01 -0500 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request > a write up for Gabriel as the messenger AA instead of punish the cruel. Well there is Fugit, Angel of Messages. (Rev. 5, p68. Also in Pyramid) "Fugit was a Servitor of Gabriel from before the Archangel of Fire began her thousand-year sulk. When Gabriel refused to carry out her duties as devine messenger, Fugit got the job by default." > a second set of Attunements specifically for > those of her Servitors who are tasked with bringing inspiration The Ethereal and Celestial Songs of Fire can be considered inspirational. An NPC I created (Squeakers, Releaver of Flowers http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/rpgs/IN/squeakers.html ) shows a few of the problems that may arise through the misuse of Inspiration. Also it seems that Creation is picking up some of the slack. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:29:16 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> The Cathedral at the Gates of Heaven > She looked forward, and there was light. > That was beautiful EDG! *gives flow of essence* Being the sap I am, that actually brought the proverbial lump in my throat reading it. Another wonderful fiction to save to a folder and its swayed me to yes, the Gates are his cathedral. Though I use Manny's Azreal, this write up write up would only be as beautiful with the Grigori as oppose to the Ofanite I use. *applauses* Jeff =) - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:38:19 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request > > Invocation Successful! > > You are both handed a copy of "Archaic Attunements for Gabriel," a post I > made on March 17th of 2002 detailing a number of messenger-oriented > Attunements for Gabriel's angels back when he was still sane. (Well, > relatively so -- when you're God's personal Messenger, sanity is definitely > more than a binary state.) > Any chance of a repost? I checked the digest page and it seems to cover only up to 2001. Jeff *with a hopeful heart* =) Jeff =) Part of my insanity manifest at JCT, where In Nomine meets science fiction in the far future http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jctrinityRPG - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:44:42 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> INverse Superior, The Big One -- Lucifer, Seraph Archangel of Light - --- sirea@softhome.net wrote: > Lucifer, greatest of all Seraph's, bearer of God's Holy > Light, is a sad > being... but there is little time for sadness, and he > cannot afford to be weak. > > As he had been so many times before. I _love_ this. Not only does it bring out the whole Mirror Symphony feel, it does something that is far too rarely seen -- it makes a character who isn't evil complex and interesting. As for the rest of the write-up, I suspect that you independently came up with stuff that was frighteningly similar to the Light write-up that I posted before you joined the list. > It is dissonant for a Servitor of Light to promote > darkness or ignorance, be it literal or metaphorical. Almost exactly the Dissonance condition that I wrote. > Seraphim (Restricted): Truest of their Choir, the Most > Humble of Light > extend the Truth of the Symphony from themselves to > everyone in their presence. This one isn't like what I wrote, but it's pretty good. Powerful, but the fact that the angel must take Celestial form helps to balance it. > Cherubim (Restricted): With a successful Will roll and > the cooperation of > his attuned, a Cherub of Light can see through the eyes > of his attuned Very similar to mine. > Ofanim (Restricted): Tapping into the ultimate source of > speed, Lucifer's Wheels can travel on rays of light. I let them travel at c for a limited amount of time each day. > Elohim: Light banishes all shadows, and allows for > perfect objectivity. > Elohim of Light can see perfectly in any amount of light, > even total > darkness, and barriers meant to obstruct sight do not > affect them. This is half of what I had for the Seraph of Light Attunement. > Malakim (Restricted): The Virtues of Lucifer are blessed > with the ability to > let the Light of God that is inside of them to shine > through, destroying all > evil. This works as is (I was writing pre-Fall Light Attunements, so I didn't have one for Malakim). > Lilim: With a touch and a Perception roll, a Lilim of > Light will know if > their target has been blinded or has blinded themselves > -- be it literal or metaphorical blindness. Considering the relative rarity of physical blindness, I don't think that they should have to roll for that. But that's just me. > Kyriotates (Restricted): A Kyriotate of Light may possess > sources of light, > be it a torch, a lamp, fireflies, a campfire, glowing > cave moss, etc. Pretty close to what I had for Kyrios of Light; I let them make light Vessels (burning bush was specifically mentioned). > Mercurians (Restricted): When using their resonance, > instead of gaining > information on their target, a Mercurian of Light can > feed the information back into the soul of his target This sounds like a Song that somebody posted a couple of months ago. > Grigori: Giants of Light, being creatures of perception, > can use their > interaction with the Word of Light to see through > illusions of any kind, no visual trickery fools them. This is the other half of my Seraph of Light. > Let There Be Light: Any Essence the angel spends on the > Songs of Light is doubled in amount. Makes sense. > And You Too Shall See: With a touch and the expendure of > Essence equal to > the target's Celestial Forces, the angel can grant them > clear vision, > removing the need for glasses, curing blindness, and > removing all obstructions from their vision. I called this Clarity, but this is only half of it... > Heaven Give Me Say: When speaking to someone, the angel > can spend a minimum > of 1 Essence to let them understand what he is talking > about as he > understands it, and can affect up to (Essence spent x > Celestial Forces) at a time. ...this is the other half. > Look Between The Shadows: For 1 Essence, the angel can > flip his vision into > any spectrum that exists, lasting for his Corporeal > Forces in minutes. This is more useful in the modern age than in a game set in the past, but that's no problem if you're running a modern day campaign. > Let God Lead Me Home: If the angel can see the > unobstructed sky with unaided > eyes, for 1 Essence he will know his exact position on > the corporeal, ethereal, or celestial plane. I called this Guiding Star and specifically included Blandine's tower and Gabriel's volcano as celestial bodies. > Suffer Not A Lie To Live: For 6 Essence, the angel can > impose a painful > restriction upon liars. Every time the target says > something he considers a > lie, he will take one Mind hit, and if he reaches zero > Mind hits, he will collapse from mental exhaustion. By "he," do you mean the angel with the Attunement or the target thereof? > The Clouds Shall Part: For 3 Essence, the angel can renew > the hopes of a > number of people around him equal to his total Forces in > number, inspiring them to struggle onward to their goals. This should probably have a restriction that it only works on angels, Mundanes and Soldiers of God. > Vassal of Light: Their souls brimming with light, these > angels add their > Celestial Forces as automatic Charisma to all Roles. Sensible, but somewhat abusable. > Friend of the Holy: For 2 Essence, a touch and a > Perception roll, the angel > can get a brief flash of insight into the soul of whoever > he is touching, > and will know that person's true nature. IOW, a demon detecter. You already know my opinion about those, at least if they don't have some kind of restriction (i.e. the Malakite Resonance only detecting Balseraphim, and then only on CD 6). > Master of Radiance: Lucifer's Masters, when in celestial > form, shine with the Light of Heaven! Ow! This needs to be a Master-level Distinction to keep it sufficiently rare. For the most part, this stuff is so similar to what I wrote that I can't complain much. 0:> =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two kinds of selfishness: the kind that says, 'I must do what will make me happy,' and the kind that says, 'You must do what will make me happy.' The first is good, the second is bad." - -- Kenton E. Sinner

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two kinds of selfishness: the kind that says, 'I must do what will make me happy,' and the kind that says, 'You must do what will make me happy.' The first is good, the second is bad." - -- Kenton E. Sinner

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:00:10 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request At 02:38 AM 11/12/2002 +0800, Jeffery Watkins wrote: >Any chance of a repost? I checked the digest page and it seems to cover >only up to 2001. Ah! The lonely soul Rejoices at the sight of Digests from this year http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/new/digests/ (But I can't find the post there, either, regardless of the relevant digests being present.) - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 03:03:49 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Superiors and AA > There's the Great Red Spot on Jupiter, which I think is plausible for > Wind... Though for a giant hurricane bigger than the Earth, it hasn't > _changed_ much... > > > --Beth That's a great idea Beth! It gives Janus a definite 'in' to the Jovian Chronicles setting I'm using with In Nomine. Thanks! Jeff =) Come visit where part of my insanity manifest at JCT; a very non-canon In Nomine is placed in the 23rd century setting of the Jovian Chronicles. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jctrinityRPG - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 03:11:17 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> INverse Superior, The Big One -- INgeneral comment > Asmodeus recalled every member of the 8th Choir (including the Archangel of > Song, and Azrael, a very selfish Grigori of Life), and held a massive trial. > Through the Word of Justice, Asmodeus saw that some were guilty, many were not< Very niice idea as was the 'combat medics' of Michael. The INverse is quite a well thought out and interesting setting. Its definitely not a 'mirror, mirror' setting of IN. *applause & regenerated essences* Jeff =) Come visit where part of my insanity manifest at JCT; a very non-canon In Nomine is placed in the 23rd century setting of the Jovian Chronicles. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jctrinityRPG - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:16:27 -0500 From: "Chris Bergstresser" Subject: RE: IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request > Ah! The lonely soul > Rejoices at the sight of > Digests from this year > > http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/new/digests/ > > (But I can't find the post there, either, regardless of the relevant > digests being present.) I cleverly downloaded the entirety of the archive, to better facilitate searching. Try http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/new/digests/2578.txt. - -- Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:25:57 -0500 From: EDG Subject: RE: IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request At 02:16 PM 11/11/2002 -0500, Chris Bergstresser wrote: > I cleverly downloaded the entirety of the archive, to better facilitate >searching. Try >http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/new/digests/2578.txt. Well, sure. *Be* that way. ;) Weird that a post from the 17th showed up in a digest from the 23rd, though. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 03:18:58 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request > > a write up for Gabriel as the messenger AA instead of punish the cruel. > > Well there is Fugit, Angel of Messages. (Rev. 5, p68. Also in Pyramid) > I actually did think of Fugit, but wanted to keep those duties under Gabriel. Since I'm waaaay off canon anyway, might as well go fully baked. ;-) But thanks! I don't have that sourcebook anymore *it seemed like a good economic decision at the time to have your roommate buy part of the IN collection and you get the other..until you move out--sigh* > The Ethereal and Celestial Songs of Fire can > be considered inspirational. An NPC I created > (Squeakers, Releaver of Flowers > http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/rpgs/IN/squeakers.html > ) shows a few of the problems that may arise > through the misuse of Inspiration. > Thanks! =) I'll go look. > Also it seems that Creation is picking up some of the slack. > Glad someone is taking up the slack in canon. =) Jeff =) Come visit where part of my insanity manifest at JCT; a very non-canon In Nomine is placed in the 23rd century setting of the Jovian Chronicles. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jctrinityRPG - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:23:09 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> INverse Superior, The Big One -- Lucifer, Seraph Archangel of Light Michael Walton writes: > --- sirea@softhome.net wrote: >> Lucifer, greatest of all Seraph's, bearer of God's Holy >> Light, is a sad >> being... but there is little time for sadness, and he >> cannot afford to be weak. >> >> As he had been so many times before. > > I _love_ this. Not only does it bring out the whole > Mirror Symphony feel, it does something that is far too > rarely seen -- it makes a character who isn't evil complex > and interesting. > As for the rest of the write-up, I suspect that you > independently came up with stuff that was frighteningly > similar to the Light write-up that I posted before you > joined the list. Aw... thanks ^_^; he -is- Lucy, and I really wanted to make him important and interesting in INverse... he is the Lightbringer afterall. As for attunements... well, I'll admit it, I did draw much inspiration from a -lot- of sources, especially the 4 or 5 Lucifer writeups I found across the net. But I tried hard to make a lot of it original, and mostly tired to combine the element of Light with the Choir's nature. Thing is, I had to "lense" it differently, because this Lucifer isn't an uber-evil selfish bastard bloated on self-importance. He's humble, sad, and only wishes to do what he can to set things right. He did see what he was in all those other realities after all... > >> It is dissonant for a Servitor of Light to promote >> darkness or ignorance, be it literal or metaphorical. > > Almost exactly the Dissonance condition that I wrote. I was thinking of changing it at one point... to make it dissonant for them to not reveal a lie for what it is, or to not act against ignorance when they saw it. I may change it to this... and yeah, I stole the Song part from Tattered :D well, that and it seemed natural. Lucy really Doesn't Like the Darkness. > >> Ofanim (Restricted): Tapping into the ultimate source of >> speed, Lucifer's Wheels can travel on rays of light. > > I let them travel at c for a limited amount of time each > day. Well, I had forgot that when I wrote this, but it was what seemed natural. Of -course- an Ofanite and the Word of Light are going to get along in this manner :D > >> Elohim: > This is half of what I had for the Seraph of Light > Attunement. Well... objectivity... banishing of darkness... I didn't like how it kind of impinged on the Seraph nature, but it made sense. >> Lilim: With a touch and a Perception roll, a Lilim of >> Light will know if >> their target has been blinded or has blinded themselves >> -- be it literal or metaphorical blindness. > > Considering the relative rarity of physical blindness, I > don't think that they should have to roll for that. But > that's just me. Eh, it was sort of an afterthought. Although I'd imagine a Lilim would be quite curious to find out why someone might have physically blinded themselves... :D > >> Kyriotates (Restricted) > > Pretty close to what I had for Kyrios of Light; I let > them make light Vessels (burning bush was specifically > mentioned). Well, I fell back on the "Kyrio of X may possess things pertaining to Word X" formula, but it seemed fitting. I would make it so that they could forge vessels of light, but I don't want to steal :/ well that, and possessing light sources can be really useful, if risky... *imagines Kyrio of Light in an old warehouse, listening in on a few demons talking, praying the whole time that the 4 year old lightbulb doesnt burst* > > This sounds like a Song that somebody posted a couple of > months ago. Really? Drat... I dunno. I looked at this comic online called Chopping Block (wicked funny :D) and drew inspiration of the idea of making people realize how truly connected everyone is, and that no one is an island. > (On the two Clarity-like attunements) I -did- see an attunement that cured blindness, and I did steal from that I admit... but the other one was simply having to do with my RL desire to be able to make people -understand- things from my PoV, and erase bigotry > >> Look Between The Shadows: For 1 Essence, the angel can >> flip his vision into >> any spectrum that exists, lasting for his Corporeal >> Forces in minutes. > > This is more useful in the modern age than in a game set > in the past, but that's no problem if you're running a > modern day campaign. Well, since you can dip into infrared with this, it can actually be quite useful, and that was it's primary use for a long time (Lucifer made this attunement over time, his original two were Let There Be Light and Heaven Give Me Say) > >> Let God Lead Me Home: > > I called this Guiding Star and specifically included > Blandine's tower and Gabriel's volcano as celestial bodies. Again, I admit, I did steal this one. Didn't know you made it though o.o; > >> Suffer Not A Lie To Live: For 6 Essence, the angel can >> impose a painful >> restriction upon liars. Every time the target says >> something he considers a >> lie, he will take one Mind hit, and if he reaches zero >> Mind hits, he will collapse from mental exhaustion. > > By "he," do you mean the angel with the Attunement or the > target thereof? The target thereof. I think it would be too abusable if the lie was put against the Symphony, making the attunement a cheap Seraph replacement. > This should probably have a restriction that it only > works on angels, Mundanes and Soldiers of God. Or maybe inspires them to struggle onto their goals which are -selfless-? > >> Vassal of Light: Their souls brimming with light, these >> angels add their >> Celestial Forces as automatic Charisma to all Roles. > > Sensible, but somewhat abusable. All my other ideas seemed too cliche :/ > >> Friend of the Holy: > > IOW, a demon detecter. You already know my opinion about > those, at least if they don't have some kind of restriction > (i.e. the Malakite Resonance only detecting Balseraphim, > and then only on CD 6). Well... I have the same problems also, but then the nature of Light just seemed to fit this. Note that any supernatural creature who succeeds the Percet roll will -know- that the person touching them -knows- he's a celestial, and that can lead to problems. Yes, you detected the demon, but now he's on to you, and probably knows your an angel of Light. > For the most part, this stuff is so similar to what I > wrote that I can't complain much. 0:> Sorry ^_^; I'll do what I can to refine this all and make it more original. --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2856 ********************************