in_nomine-digest Wednesday, November 13 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2859 In this digest: Re: IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request Re: IN> The Uncreated Re: IN> The Crusade Pt III: Noises In the Dark (new fic) Re: IN> Ooops Re: IN> Coffee Re: IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request Re: IN> The Crusade Pt IV: Drawn Blades (new fic) Re: IN> Demons of Lucifer Re: IN> Rule Britannia, Britannia Rules the Waves... Re: IN> You know that you're in the Army of God when... IN> To those who read my fic... Re: IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request Re: IN> The Uncreated IN> Remembrances Part II Re: IN> To those who read my fic... Re: IN> The Crusade Pt IV: Drawn Blades (new fic) IN> Remembrances-Another version Re: IN> Remembrances-Another version Re: IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request In the minds of men (was Re: IN> Remembrances-Another version) Re: In the minds of men (was Re: IN> Remembrances-Another version) Re: IN> Remembrances-Another version Re: IN> Remembrances-Another version Re: IN> Remembrances-Another version IN> *Not* the Demon of Debt collection ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 05:55:40 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request > > This is a request if any is feeling in the creative mood, to do a write > > up for Gabriel as the messenger AA instead of punish the cruel. > > It's not exactly what you're asking for, but go here: > > http://www.islagiatt.org/Allamagoosa/InNomine/Tattered/Gabriel.htm > > It should, I think, serve as a sufficient springboard to work out what you > want to do with the concept. :::) > Thank you!!! I definitely did as well as help solve my 'what is Adam' doing problem as I looked over the rest of Tattered, which I should have done after I saw Isafrael. And now I'm adapting that Malphas as Zerubbabel, Kyriotate of diversity. I love that multiple personality problem of his. Oh, I want to run this by everyone here. Its not fancy, but in combining William's and the tattered Gabriel, I took out the Eyes of Flames and put in the following: Chariots of Flame: Can bestow or convey an individual, usually a messenger like the famous Elijah, physically through the air without wings even to other realms via a horse and chariot of flame that does not burn celestial or rider. Feel free to spruce it up and/or suggestions about it. I'm picturing just a glorified (no pun intended) 'special effect' version of song of motion and song of projection. Thanks for the help and just the reading and support. Jeff =) Come visit where part of my insanity manifest at JCT; a very non-canon In Nomine is placed in the 23rd century setting of the Jovian Chronicles. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jctrinityRPG - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 05:59:24 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> The Uncreated Veerry nice! I think my favorite is the Pantomorph. Jeff =) Come visit where part of my insanity manifest at JCT; a very non-canon In Nomine is placed in the 23rd century setting of the Jovian Chronicles. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jctrinityRPG - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 06:05:51 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> The Crusade Pt III: Noises In the Dark (new fic) Absolutely AWESOME!!!!! *pours essence out* I love this series. You are soooo descriptive in the 'little' things that give the Superiors here their own unique flavor. The added flairs of David being peacemaker, mentioning of Sirea's Balzelbub's blade of corruption, Dominic's doubts at the end, to even the first meeting of Laurence and Browen. I was so caught up, almost forgot to eat my lunch. lol. Jeff =) Come visit where part of my insanity manifest at JCT; a very non-canon In Nomine is placed in the 23rd century setting of the Jovian Chronicles. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jctrinityRPG - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 06:08:29 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Ooops Yaaay! The link! THE LINK!!!! Thanks Sirea!!! ^_^ Jeff =) Come visit where part of my insanity manifest at JCT; a very non-canon In Nomine is placed in the 23rd century setting of the Jovian Chronicles. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jctrinityRPG - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 06:12:35 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Coffee Javiel and Sankatur, I think I'll reserve this match for when the players need a lighter adventure. Jeff =) Come visit where part of my insanity manifest at JCT; a very non-canon In Nomine is placed in the 23rd century setting of the Jovian Chronicles. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jctrinityRPG - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:26:02 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request - --- Jeffery Watkins wrote: > Chariots of Flame: Can bestow or convey an individual, > usually a messenger like the famous Elijah, physically > through the air without wings even to other realms via a > horse and chariot of flame that does not burn celestial > or rider. Isn't there a Song that does this (Transfiguration, I seem to recall)? =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age 18." -- Albert Einstein

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age 18." -- Albert Einstein

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:59:21 -0800 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> Demons of Lucifer Michael Walton wrote: > > --- Unni Solaas wrote: > > Is he canon? I know I read about him somewhere, but... > > Was it Pyramid? > > Yep, he was in Pyramid. Which makes him quasi-canon -- > but he's in something that was actually published by SJG, He's in The Final Trumpet. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:40:04 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Rule Britannia, Britannia Rules the Waves... - --- BC Petery wrote: > Malphas. Isolation is the deepest desire of Malphas. > And with just a little > more xenophobia... > > Push the button. Good one - but it'd more accurately be, "Push the button, Frances." ;) moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/18/02 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 05:33:23 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> You know that you're in the Army of God when... Simply delightful. All of the contributors. Thank you for some very witty remarks. Jeff =) - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:18:44 -0800 From: "Joey's mail" Subject: IN> To those who read my fic... To those who enjoyed my story about Zendile, the Elohite servant of Gabriel, and his servant (name to be determined) I'm considering using that as a prologue to a longer fic. Did anyone like that fic and want to hear more about Zendile and his friend? I'm thinking of making it a somewhat dark fic about insanity, corruption, emotion...perfect for anyone serving Gabriel. :P Comments? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:34:54 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request >--- Jeffery Watkins wrote: >> Chariots of Flame: Can bestow or convey an individual, >> usually a messenger like the famous Elijah, physically >> through the air without wings even to other realms via a >> horse and chariot of flame that does not burn celestial >> or rider. > > Isn't there a Song that does this (Transfiguration, I >seem to recall)? Heck, there's an angel that does it: Rikbiel, Angel of Ascension, who transports *very* privileged mortals to Heaven as a living artifact, a chariot of fire. Transfiguration allows a possessor to take a possessed being's corporeal form with them, in potentiality I suppose, to the celestial plane. I'm fairly sure the possessed person is not conscious during the process. Celestial Projection allows one to take a "rider" with them, who is apparently conscious during the process, to the Celestial Plane, either to one's Heart or, if one does not have one, to the upper terminus of a Tether one is at. Want a seriously mind-boggling initiation ritual for a Soldier of God? How about using the setting to give them a glimpse of Heaven? O:^) William ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:02:45 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> The Uncreated Interesting -- and if one were an Ethereal who believed in these things, one would presumably want to foster human belief in these things being personified, which could very well lead them to being personified. More likely, I admit, any such Ethereal would be subsumed into the Divine as soon as it attempted to take on any real qualities of the Godhead as Absolute. *Masquerading* as one, on the other hand, could be a dangerous but profitable game if a powerful Ethereal were willing to forego direct belief and instead control other Ethereals. Also -- I tried not to say anything about this, but I couldn't keep it down: >The Pantomorph > >The Pantomorph is defined briefly as All Forms or, more mathematically, >as "the set of all sets." The set of all sets isn't a set. :^) At least, it isn't one as mathematics currently is defined; any attempt to construct it leads to a paradox. A branch of study (with which I'm not very familiar) called "category theory" is perfectly happy with the category of all sets, or the category of all categories, but there's not much you can do with it; in reducing the axiomatic structure to the point where the category of all categories is no longer a paradox, you lose much of the results that flow from those axioms. This paragraph is for the mathematically inclined; for IN content, skip to next. ^_^ Let A be a set. Let B be the set of all subsets of A. B is always of greater cardinality than A, in that there is no one-to-one correspondence ("rule for matching") which matches every element of B to some element of A without leaving some elements of B out. If you have the set of all sets, then it must contain its power set, hence must be of cardinality equal to or larger than its power set, which is the paradox. The axioms of set theory are very carefully defined so as not to allow for this possibility -- a set cannot contain itself as an element, as the set of all sets must. Believe it or not, I have the IN content I promised! O:^) It's nice and Dark, too: considering the question above, before it was answered, quite possibly drove Georg Cantor mad. Cantor, the genius who practically invented transfinite set theory singlehandedly, believed he was receiving insight into the Divine. Perhaps he was right.... The question also has implications for omniscience; if God knows everything about everyone, does He know everything about Himself? Finally, there is the simple fact: a soul could, intuitively, be defined as any object aware of itself, yet a mathematical set must not be self-referential. This argues for a certain fundamental inability of mathematics (and the modern science which is utterly grounded upon it) to understand certain features of the In Nomine universe, like the soul. If God expects humans to be able to achieve an understanding of such things, there must be a new paradigm lurking somewhere within Yves' Library or Jean's Cathedral. Mmm, yummy God-science. Bon appetit! William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:39:14 -0500 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Remembrances Part II This might work very well with the Wounded Earth thread form a few months ago... Was it August & September? With a reduced Celestial presence it would be safer to be a "super." The "Big Suck" would be like one of those world shaking event origins. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Alexander Bonn > aka JUSTICE MAN Shouldn't he have Ethereal and Celestial Connection so that he may use Ethereal and Celestial Songs? (L.Cant p25) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 05:41:51 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> To those who read my fic... - --- Joey's mail wrote: > Did anyone like that fic and want to hear more > about Zendile and his friend? The list seems to be in fiction mode this month (and nobody even declared a theme). I've really enjoyed what I've read so far, so I won't turn down more. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age 18." -- Albert Einstein

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:09:57 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> The Crusade Pt IV: Drawn Blades (new fic) Magnificient work!!!! Normally the action would have been one of the tenses parts for me, but amazingly enough, I found the beginning and especially the end with the angels interacting to be the most gripping sections. Oh, just in case some have not read it yet, the rest may contain spoilers, though not big one. ****Possible Spoilers************************* The anticipation at the beginning, and then when Li Xei and the Fantasists (love that term) came to the rescue, it was uplifting but his explination of where they were and how big a mistake was built that mounting horror of what a large error the Puritans made. Then, while it was the shortest part of the story, it was far more tense than any other section for me when Praeses and Li Xei were facing off. I loved it! Also it was lovely to note the differnces between the two groups, how the Fatasist were composed of people from all over the world and the Puritans seem to want to conform to one standard. Well, enough ramblings, when my first statement said it best, magnificient work sir. I look forward to more! *applause, pours--not just gives--out essences* Jeff =) Come visit where part of my insanity manifest at JCT; a very non-canon In Nomine is placed in the 23rd century setting of the Jovian Chronicles. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jctrinityRPG - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:13:14 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: IN> Remembrances-Another version Jason walked home in a total daze. He ran everything through his head again and nothing made sense. It wasn't that he was stupid really. It's just that math was his absolute worst subject. And that bastard Mr. Kellerman was making it clear almost every day that if he failed the class, he was going to be held back. He walked into the math final more scared than he had ever been in his life. When he finally opened the test booklet, everything was a blank. All that studying and the extra tutoring was for nothing. The panic that was tightening its grip around his heart was suddenly gone. Jason wiped the sweat off of his head and looked at the paper. For some reason, the numbers made sense. He could just look at one question and see the pattern that showed him the correct answer. An hour later and he had finished the test and he somehow knew that he had passed. Mr. Kellerman kept him after class the next day. He had graded Jason's paper first and wanted him to see the results. Jason's eyes widened as he saw the number 100 written in black ink at the top. His surprise was compounded by his teacher smiling at him. "Jason, sit down. We have some things to talk about." Jason Slade, Soldier Corporeal Forces: 2 Strength 4 Agility 2 Ethereal Forces: 2 Intelligence: 3 Precision: 3 Celestial Forces: 3 Perception: 4 Will: 2 Skills: Dodge/1, Fighting/2, Knowledge (Math/2, Science 3) Songs: Memory (Ethereal/2) Attunement: Seraph of Jean (He doesn't have access to it yet, but should with continual training) Not all manifestations of "The Remembered" are due to violence. Any kind of stress would be enough, even without Celestial interference. Jason is one of those cases. His sudden Symphonic connection was lucky enough to be noticed by a Servitor of Jean who works in his high school as a math teacher. The Mercurian quickly reported the manifestation to Jean and has now taken it on himself to teach the boy. The best guess that the Intercessionist could make is that Jason has the Forces of a former Soldier of Lightning. He is quietly trying to find out more details while slowly educating his charge about the War. In the meantime, Jason has taken to math and science with the zeal of a convert. His grades have improved and he is able to remember things with stunning clarity. It seems that his life is turning around. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:19:48 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Remembrances-Another version *grumble* OK, quick Errata. He only has 2 Celestial Forces. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:21:28 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Not Really Laziness...is it?..Gabriel Request > Heck, there's an angel that does it: Rikbiel, Angel of Ascension, who > transports *very* privileged mortals to Heaven as a living artifact, a > chariot of fire. > Which book can Rikbiel be found in? > Want a seriously mind-boggling initiation ritual for a Soldier of God? How > about using the setting to give them a glimpse of Heaven? O:^) > > William That really would be! In one game it convinced a potential soldier to serve far more than the angels were showing him about what they were fighting--song of projection was used up one tether and down another to show him what they were fighting. Originally intended for that to convince him, but the player said after the game, it was the glimpse of Heaven in between tethers that was the defining moment. Jeff =) Come visit where part of my insanity manifest at JCT; a very non-canon In Nomine is placed in the 23rd century setting of the Jovian Chronicles. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jctrinityRPG - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:42:49 -0500 From: EDG Subject: In the minds of men (was Re: IN> Remembrances-Another version) At 09:13 AM 11/13/2002 -0500, Cameron McCurry wrote: >In the meantime, Jason has taken to math and science with the zeal of a >convert. His grades have improved and he is able to remember things >with stunning clarity. It seems that his life is turning around. Very nice, Cam. :) But there's a reason attunements are usually limited to angels. I alluded to this (okay, I outright implied it) in Nikola Tesla's writeup... (I hope you don't mind my making off with your character! :) - -EDG Jason crouched in the alley - why do these things always happen in alleys? asked a small part of his mind - and pressed the heels of his hands against his temples, panting and crying and trying not to be sick. It wasn't that he wasn't feeling well - physically, Jason was fine - but that his body's natural reaction to the psychic shock he'd received this morning was a physiological reaction. It was, in fact, a lot like motion sickness, only what it might feel like if you were on a wooden roller coaster, using a mine cart for the car, travelling at the speed of light. The worst part of it was that he knew - instinctively, like he'd known the answers to those math questions - that nobody had done this to him. This was his and his alone, and he didn't know how to stop it - in fact, thinking about how to stop it just made it worse. Jason remembered. He could remember everything that had ever happened to him, from conception to curling up in an alley and trying not to lose his breakfast - but more than that, he could remember someone else, someone also named Jason, who had died before he was born - could see all of that Jason's memories as clearly as if they had just happened. He could feel the break in his leg from when he'd fallen off the monkey bars in fourth grade - could see the bullet, screaming toward him in slow-motion, just before the other Jason had died - could hear the pure *nothing* between death and rebirth - could taste bile and blood and whiskey and a million million other things that he was sure were not in his mouth right now. Now he was sick, and realized belatedly why these things always happen in alleys. There was a movement at the far end of the alley, and a flash of light off of a pair of rectangular glasses. "Jason?" asked a tenor voice that Jason recognized not only as Mr. Kellerman but as *someone else* - his mind couldn't comprehend that other thing that had Mr. Kellerman's voice and he was sick again. Desperately he waved his hand over the top of the Dumpster next to him, and heard footsteps in response. "Jason, let me get you someplace safe." Not a hospital. Not home. Not to school. Someplace safe. Could he trust Mr. Kellerman? Memories washed back over him, not new but highlighted in the jumble: yes. Yes. But why? "Okay," wheezed Jason, and passed out. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:13:53 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: In the minds of men (was Re: IN> Remembrances-Another version) > (I hope you don't mind my making off with your character! :) Nah. Quite all right. Originally Jason was going to be a Soldier of Fire who couldn't understand why he needed to kill someone and he was recovering from it in an alley. -:-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:25:36 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Remembrances-Another version That was a very nice story. Jeff - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:16:21 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Remembrances-Another version I like! Stress is by no means limited to violence -- even positive experiences can be stressful (I've seen data that rate getting married as one of the most stressful things that can happen to a person). =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age 18." -- Albert Einstein

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:52:57 -0800 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: Re: IN> Remembrances-Another version On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:16:21 -0800 (PST) Michael Walton said unto us: >>(I've seen data that rate getting married as one of the most stressful things that can happen to a person). Hmmm...the biggest stress I had that day was wondering what horrible things were being done to my car while I was at the reception. -:-) ObIN: But that was part of the reason I wrote him up the way I did. I see no reason why all of the "Remembrances" had to be combat induced. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:05:31 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> *Not* the Demon of Debt collection Gressil Habbalite of Technology CORPOREAL FORCES: 2 Strength : 3 Agility: 5 ETHEREAL FORCES : 4 Intelligence: 6 Precision: 10 CELESTIAL FORCES: 3 Will : 4 Perception: 8 Vessel: Human Male/3, Charisma +2(Respectable); Role/6(legbreaker), status/1. Skills: Chemistry/3,Computer Operation/1, Detect Lies/2, Dodge/3, Driving/1, Electronics/1, Emote/1, Fighting/2, Knowledge(Anatomy/2, Finances/3), Large Weapon(club)/1, Lockpicking/1, Lying/1, Medicine/2, Savoir-Faire/1, Small Weapon(blackjack)/2, Tactics/1. Songs: Empathy(All/3), Hysteria/1. Attunements: Djinn of Technology, Habbalite of Technology, Impudite of Technology. Servants: A pair of Reanimated zombis; they have each been granted the Rite "Work for three hours in a lab or factory" to provide them with the essence they need to continuously function; both were mundane doctors. Artifacts(from Band Attunements of Technology): Glasses, Mood ring, palmtop computer. Once an Elohite of Trade, Gressil suddenly acquired incredible amounts of dissonance when domino bankruptcies wiped out his business, and forced him to renege on multiple deals. The crash was too sudden for him to contact Marc before Falling. Gressil still considers himself an Angel of Trade; true, Marc won't speak to him, but as his business failed that's to be expected. He needs to make amends. How to make amends? Well, bad debtors are a blight to Trade - once he has demonstrated his ability to deal with them, Marc should forgive him. Word has got around the ranks of Technology; if you really need fresh, high quality human organs - contact Gressil. Whether it's a hundred human hearts or maybe just a few dozen kidneys, Gressil can get them for you. Even if the only location they be found is held by the Host; sure, he's a demon, and they'll kill him one day, but most Malakim are to busy to kill him - there are so many worse demons to kill. Besides, the Redemption squads have high hopes for Gressil. The main use Gressil puts his Resonance, Songs and Impudite Glasses to is persuading his victims that they deserve to pay their debts in organs; he racks them with his abilities until they burn their essence on a Fast-Talk roll on themselves that they should pay their debts, and leaves a receipt for the organs with them(whether they're alive or dead). Also, after selling the organs to his fellow Technologists, he posts money orders to the creditors of his victims. All in all, he's about as good as a Habbalite gets. Naturally, the police are hot on his trail. They have a fair idea of what is going on; Gressil is using the Vessel from his old Role as a businessman, and it wasn't difficult to put the pieces together. Of course, mundanes don't have much chance of catching him. Still, they're starting to grow irritating, and Habbalah aren't known for their patience and restraint... Cheers, James. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2859 ********************************