in_nomine-digest Sunday, November 17 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2863 In this digest: Re: IN> Bright Lilim Re: IN> Mystique Re: IN> Bright Lilim Re: IN> Mystique Re: IN> Bright Lilim Re: IN> Bright Lilim Re: IN> Falling et all Re: IN> Kyriotates Re: IN> Bright Lilim Re: IN> Bright Lilim IN> Request for Ideas, Comments, Etc on an INverse idea Re: IN> Request for Ideas, Comments, Etc on an INverse idea Re: IN> Mystique Re: IN> Bright Lilim Re: IN> Request for Ideas, Comments, Etc on an INverse idea Re: IN> Request for Ideas, Comments, Etc on an INverse idea Re: IN> Request for Ideas, Comments, Etc on an INverse idea Re: IN> Request for Ideas, Comments, Etc on an INverse idea Re: IN> Request for Ideas, Comments, Etc on an INverse idea Re: IN> Bright Lilim IN> Times when you were posessed by a Shedite IRL Re: IN> Yet another thing that nobody below a certain age will get... Re: IN> Seals Re: IN> Bright Lilim Re: IN> Bright Lilim Re: IN> Bright Lilim IN> Stray thought on a Gaiman piece Re: IN> Stray thought on a Gaiman piece Re: IN> Mystique Re: IN> Bright Lilim ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:06:36 -0800 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> Bright Lilim Nigel Cole wrote: > > [I can hear the screaming already... :-)] > > In canon, a Bright keeps her Lilim resonance. This can create problems > if the GM allows Bright PCs, since their resonance is more powerful > than any angelic resonance bar a Kyrio's, How so? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:15:52 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Mystique I thought that this was pretty cool. Why didn't you send it in to Pyramid, though? Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/18/02 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:37:47 +0000 From: Nigel Cole Subject: Re: IN> Bright Lilim On Saturday 16 November 2002 19:06, Kish wrote: > How so? It can force people to do things against their will. The Kyrio resonance is the only other angelic resonance that can directly force a victim into unwilling actions, and it's hedged with dissonance conditions to (hopefully!) make it hard to abuse. There's no problem with the Bright Lilim resonance if the players choose not to abuse it; unfortunately, I know too many players who enjoy giving the GM headaches by finding and exploiting loopholes :-) Other angelic resonances are generally geared to finding something out (truth, where someone is, the fastest route, etc), and it's then up to the angel (i.e. the player) to make use of this information. For example, the Seraphim resonance is to detect truth, not to force someone to tell the truth. - -- Nigel Cole zebekia@zebekia.co.uk Dreamlyrics: Zebekia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:12:25 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Mystique >I thought that this was pretty cool. Why didn't you >send it in to Pyramid, though? > >Moe Thanks for *both* compliments. :^) I thought about it, but I realized it was really IN-centric. If we were playing with any world that already had a magic system, these would be spells like "Keen Sight," "Mind-Reading" and "Comprehend Languages." Admittedly, this might have been useful for a world that didn't have magic already, where the GM would have been looking for something "deniable;" a system that does nothing to the Universe elsewhere and only relies on perceiving things would do less harm than flinging fireballs and raising zombis. (One would probably drop the more dramatic Stillness States in that event, though. No ninj-invisibility. ;^) ) Secondarily, a brief attempt at stripping out the Essence and Check Digit mechanics made things really wishy-washy, and it's a bit long for Pyramid (6000 words), though that's not as much of a barrier; just remove a few States and it's golden. Unless you meant the Pyramid IN group. Yeah, I could do that. William ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:13:05 +0000 From: Nigel Cole Subject: Re: IN> Bright Lilim On Saturday 16 November 2002 18:30, S.D. wrote: > Sure, they can lay Geases...but I don't > think I've *ever* used a Geas in a game. There is, of course, no problem with a resonance if the player never abuses it. (Besides, if you've never used a Geas, aren't you effectively already using my idea ? :-) Unfortunately, I know too many players of the sort who'd read the Mercurian dissonance conditions and then try to convince the GM that slipping poison into someone's drink wasn't violent... :-) And I'm pro-Lilim, and pro-Bright. I just feel that being able to force people to do what you want is not very angelic - though I can see an argument for forcing someone to do something that'll help them (such as geasing an overweight child to eat less and take more exercise). An alternative might be to retain the geasing ability, but put some suitably angelic dissonance conditions on it, such as only allowing Geases that won't harm the target. - -- Nigel Cole zebekia@zebekia.co.uk Dreamlyrics: Zebekia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:17:19 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Bright Lilim >Other angelic resonances are generally geared to finding something out >(truth, where someone is, the fastest route, etc), and it's then up to >the angel (i.e. the player) to make use of this information. For >example, the Seraphim resonance is to detect truth, not to force >someone to tell the truth. > My take on Kryiotates- That's the interesting thing about Kyriotates. They are one of the Choir most known for their subjectivity. They seem to be the one Choir designed to understand the world from the infinite viewpoints which exist. The means by which they do this is to possess a viewpoint- any type of being- and really see it on their level. The fact that they are bound by dissonance not to leave their host in a worse manner than in which they found him/her/it/them means that they aren't supposed to force someone into a situation that will hurt them. They aren't about forcing people at all, they're about experiencing the person. Just as Seraphim resonate Truth, Elohim resonate emotions and Malakim resonate honor, Kyriotates resonate perspectives. Course if this means that you can possess a man and three dogs to attack a demon simultaneously... well... that's just icing on the cake. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:44:46 +0000 From: "Jarrod Carmichael" Subject: Re: IN> Falling et all >My idea for fallen Mercurians would be Torturers, demons who gain >dissonance if they go 24 hours without hurting a human. At the moment >I'm undecided whether mental/social torture would count in general, or >only for certain Princes (e.g. Kobal - and a Torturer of Dark Humour >could keep the existing Impudite of Dark Humour attunement ). > the Pachadim from the marches kind of fill that role. Fallen Menium who get off on causing fear etc. You call almost swap them, Mercurians become Pachadim. And Menunim, who cannot interfere in peoples lives and subtley promote hope become charmers who drain essence. JUst a thought Mallakai JC _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:55:08 +0000 From: "Jarrod Carmichael" Subject: Re: IN> Kyriotates >Course if this means that you can possess a man and three dogs to attack a >demon simultaneously... well... that's just icing on the cake. > Yeah, but if any of them get gacked its Shedim time. Kyrio's are all about information, infilitration, spying, and timing. When iIve played a kyriotate (Usually NPC's) they tend to be corporeally weak. They hang back, send hosts to spy, watch people with cats and birds. When the fighting starts my Kyrio's tend to support with songs, and wait in celestial form to monster anyone who tries to flee. any combat with hosts seems contrary to their nature. And the "You can always heal them" concept seems like a metagaming excuse rather than an angelic perspective. Of course Kyrios of stone, war, and the sword get around all this. Mallakai JC _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:58:10 +0000 From: "Jarrod Carmichael" Subject: Re: IN> Bright Lilim >In canon, a Bright keeps her Lilim resonance. This can create problems >if the GM allows Bright PCs, since their resonance is more powerful >than any angelic resonance bar a Kyrio's, and Kyrios have strict >dissonance rules to stop a Kyrio PC getting out of hand. Powerful is a very subjective statement. In my campaigns knowledge is normally power. So the Mercurian and Ofanim resonacnes have been the most powerful, followed by Elohim & Seraphim. Lilim can find out a need, mercurians can find out everything about a person. What I mean to say is, the lilim resonance is powerful, but focused. Mallakai JC _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 00:09:24 +0000 From: "Jarrod Carmichael" Subject: Re: IN> Bright Lilim >There is, of course, no problem with a resonance if the player never >abuses it. (Besides, if you've never used a Geas, aren't you >effectively already using my idea ? :-) >Unfortunately, I know too many players of the sort who'd read the >Mercurian dissonance conditions and then try to convince the GM that >slipping poison into someone's drink wasn't violent... :-) Simple answer. Get better players. Then again I have a monopoly n this game in my city. So I have all the masquearde people, and a few others queing up to play. So the cheese heads get shown the door within a few games. All I can say is 'seraph of litheroy with sense of significance". How to ruin a game. Set your guidelines at the start, and when they start being idiots then you metapysically smack em. After 5 years my group is well trained. Player discipline is a good thing. We no longer have rules arguements. The rules for me are pretty loose. It normally comes down to "roll some dice". If your loose with the rules, you can always make a lawyers game hell by going "nah, that sucks im changing it". >And I'm pro-Lilim, and pro-Bright. I just feel that being able to force >people to do what you want is not very angelic - though I can see an >argument for forcing someone to do something that'll help them (such as >geasing an overweight child to eat less and take more exercise). It must be the fact im male, but I cannot see the fixation with Brights. I have 2 females who play in my campaigns. One has been begging me since she started to play a bright, unfortunately that campaign was "the final trumpet"tm and I didn't think a bright would be good, all things considered. The other female is from a christian upbringing so likes Malakim of war with flaming swords. What can you do? >An alternative might be to retain the geasing ability, but put some >suitably angelic dissonance conditions on it, such as only allowing >Geases that won't harm the target. I like the idea that the symphony gives you their real needs. A normal lilim might get a mans need for a night with a hooker, a bright might see the deep need to reconcile his marriage. A spin like this actually makes bright lilim interesting. And using geas could compell people. Like the fat kid dieting example someone else gave. Mallakai JC _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:07:36 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: IN> Request for Ideas, Comments, Etc on an INverse idea Okay, I'm still working on INverse, doing a little bit for Superiors here, some for background there... and I got to INverse Oannes, who is the Shedite Demon Prince of the Heavens. Now, I wanted Oannes to be somewhat special in INverse, and I do have a finished write up for him, but I'm not sure if it's what I wanted. So I wanted to ask the list for some ideas, and some of their own twists on how I see Oannes. First, some history and his (it's actually) Word -- the Heavens. Oannes was among the First Fallen, and was Worded by Michael when he rose and started to build up Hell. Oannes had become a bitter, alien and hateful being, refusing to enjoy corporeal warmth and wonder anymore. He wanted to terrify humans, to make them suffer, to drive them mad and isolate them all one by one as they're murdered. The Word of the Heavens is meant to invoke several ideas. It is the stratosphere, it is isolation, it is cold and wet darkness underneath a pale gray sky, it is the misty blue light (think X-files). In short, INverse Oannes is a sort of Cthulhu-like horror. His Servitors are supposed to be alien, staying away from all human life, isolating and driving them insane, or just outright killing them. They are the cold shadows that work behind the scenes, the incomprehensible horrors that mankind cannot understand. Elementally, his Word invokes mist, cold water, coldness like the stratosphere, darkness of space, and frost. The thing is... well, I have a foundation, and I'm liking it, since I wanted INverse to have something of a horror theme to it sometimes. I'm just not sure if what I have really fits, and I'm looking for input, ideas, Nasty Evil Things(tm), and so on. For ideas of what inspired this in the first place, read stuff like what Lovecraft makes, watch movies like The Ring, and even play games like Silent Hill. Also, Michael Cleveland's excellent Horror In Nomine setting was a big inspiration for it. All that invokes my INverse Oannes... but I dunno, I guess I'd just like input from everyone in any form. If anyone would like to see what I have written for him so far, just ask me and I'll send it. Thanks ^_^ --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:24:01 -0500 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> Request for Ideas, Comments, Etc on an INverse idea >The Word of the Heavens is meant to invoke several ideas. It is the >stratosphere, it is isolation, it is cold and wet darkness underneath a pale >gray sky, it is the misty blue light (think X-files). In short, INverse >Oannes is a sort of Cthulhu-like horror. His Servitors are supposed to be >alien, staying away from all human life, isolating and driving them insane, >or just outright killing them. They are the cold shadows that work behind >the scenes, the incomprehensible horrors that mankind cannot understand. >Elementally, his Word invokes mist, cold water, coldness like the >stratosphere, darkness of space, and frost. Hmmmm. This sounds a lot like the concept for a Fallen Oannes I'm working on (though I don't have much more than the rough concept yet), but I don't know how well your Word-choice works with your concept. ^^;; "The Heavens"...well, besides the obvious connotations of IN Heaven and the Heaven/paradise of various religions, it just generally doesn't seem to fit. *I* went with "the Deep", because it conveys much of the same idea, and let me work in Oannes as 'overlapping' into Nightmares' and Oblivion's territory, while keeping the original 'Waters' link. Deep, dark, black waters full of the unknown, far from the familiar, easy to drown in and get lost in... It doesn't have the 'sky' connotations as well as "the Heavens" does, but it sounds much more Infernal to me. (Though the image of a demon trying to recruit a Hellsworn and saying "I serve the Heavens" amuses me no end... ^^ Habbalah, anyone? ^_~) ~S.D. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:24:42 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Mystique Hey, I liked the idea of this... sort of an anti-Sorcery, a selfless art devoted to not disturbing things. I'd like to use this in a game someday, it's well developed, and not overpowered (I like your limit of not using Songs with this. It also gives humans a fighting chance). You should post it to Pyramid, if only to garner more comments. Nothing I can really suggest to change... I'm not too keen on Sorcery and related stuff, but I can tell this is good. --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:32:18 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Bright Lilim I'm liking a lot of what I'm reading about this topic. I admit I've never been too keen about Lilim, as I've seen few of them played, and have never seen Brights or heard any arguments about them aside from online. But I do like the idea of the resonance being turned angelic (since I have "Bright" Lilim in INverse, where they -are- angels, and can Fall to become demons, despite Lilith's human nature). So ideas so far are- -Bright Lilim can't lay Geasa -Bright Lilim can see True Needs and not Want Needs -Bright Lilim can see Selfless Needs instead of Selfish Needs -Bright Lilim get dissonant for using Geasa selfishly I may remake Bright Lilim for INverse now... --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:37:25 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Request for Ideas, Comments, Etc on an INverse idea Tiamat and Marduk. In the Enuma Elish, Tiamat, a giant serpent like beast, is slain by Marduk and her body is split to create the upper waters and the lower waters. Tiamat was the same primordial watery chaos that was split by God in Genesis. Maybe Oannes has interpreted his Word in this manner- The Chaos was once complete and overcame all. Then God came and split it. God created division in the waters and the Earth from the Chaos. Oannes, as a Shedite, can't understand multiplicity. All it wants is to get back to that point when all is Chaos again. Maybe he doesn't have the Word of Chaos or Oblivion, and I'm not sure if Heavens will work here unless you want to change the term that the Host uses for their home (I'm guessing that after being worked on for 20,000 years by a Demon Prince even the name of well, up there, gets worn down), but Oannes would definitely support either of those, though Valefor could prove a challenge. Though on the other hand you might be seeing Valefor as promoting human chaos while Oannes is more interested in the natural, alien chaos. Maybe the Word of Primordial? Or the Other? Ooo... the Other... huh... On the note I actually can add to your reading list. Don't know how quickly you can devour good books, but I'd read the Adversary Cycle by F. Paul Wilson (composed of The Keep, The Tomb, Reborn, The Touch, Reprisal, and Nightworld.). The basic idea is that there is this Other outside of the universe trying to get in. So far it's been unsuccessful, but it's taking entire planets at a time with Earth only being one minor blip in its radar. On the universe's side is God, or the Light, or just Order. Not a personified being, just a force that is even alien to humans. Doesn't care how many humans have to die, so long as the Other is stopped. Sorry for the sidetrack. To tell the truth, I like this idea. Also like the idea of Oannes' celestial form being that of a tentacle mouthed, batwinged creature. Hmm... you might want to explore the Marianas Trench as a possible tether. And he might make use of the Nephallim... oooooh... Sirea, great interpretation of Oannes. Josh ps: did I mention yet the Goth Cthulhu plushie I saw at Nekocon? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:56:16 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Request for Ideas, Comments, Etc on an INverse idea > Hmmmm. This sounds a lot like the concept for a Fallen Oannes I'm working on (though I don't have much more than the rough concept yet), but I don't know how well your Word-choice works with your concept. ^^;; "The Heavens"...well, besides the obvious connotations of IN Heaven and the Heaven/paradise of various religions, it just generally doesn't seem to fit. > > *I* went with "the Deep", because it conveys much of the same idea, and let me work in Oannes as 'overlapping' into Nightmares' and Oblivion's territory, while keeping the original 'Waters' link. Deep, dark, black waters full of the unknown, far from the familiar, easy to drown in and get lost in... > > It doesn't have the 'sky' connotations as well as "the Heavens" does, but it sounds much more Infernal to me. (Though the image of a demon trying to recruit a Hellsworn and saying "I serve the Heavens" amuses me no end... ^^ Habbalah, anyone? ^_~) > > ~S.D. I know, the Word does seem kind of odd... but stay with me here. When invoking Oannes Word, imagine being on your knees, drenched in sweat, with a cold blue light being your only illumination. Your alone. It's cold. And misty, and dark, except for the blue light. Your hear a quiet and unsettling noise around you, sometimes far away, sometimes close by. You're bare and alone underneath a cold black sky, an alien sky, the Heavens. The Heavens as in the stratopshere, the coldness of space, the ice clinging to blue skin, and the sky, not Heaven itself, which is a different concept altogether. It's the Heavens, not Heaven. Maybe it's a just a pet affection... but it's how I thought of and interpreted the Word :D just thought I'd clear it up on what I saw the Heavens as. --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:01:43 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Request for Ideas, Comments, Etc on an INverse idea You're bare and >alone underneath a cold black sky, an alien sky, the Heavens. The Heavens as >in the stratopshere, the coldness of space, the ice clinging to blue skin, >and the sky, not Heaven itself, which is a different concept altogether. >It's the Heavens, not Heaven. Maybe it's a just a pet affection... but it's >how I thought of and interpreted the Word :D just thought I'd clear it up on >what I saw the Heavens as. Okay, I can see that. Heavens versus Heaven, just like War versus The War. That works. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:20:32 -0800 From: "Joey's mail" Subject: Re: IN> Request for Ideas, Comments, Etc on an INverse idea > > I know, the Word does seem kind of odd... but stay with me here. When > invoking Oannes Word, imagine being on your knees, drenched in sweat, with a > cold blue light being your only illumination. Your alone. It's cold. And > misty, and dark, except for the blue light. Your hear a quiet and unsettling > noise around you, sometimes far away, sometimes close by. You're bare and > alone underneath a cold black sky, an alien sky, the Heavens. The Heavens as > in the stratopshere, the coldness of space, the ice clinging to blue skin, > and the sky, not Heaven itself, which is a different concept altogether. > It's the Heavens, not Heaven. Maybe it's a just a pet affection... but it's > how I thought of and interpreted the Word :D just thought I'd clear it up on > what I saw the Heavens as. > Hmmm...it sounds like "The Void" might be a better word for what you're thinking of...although the does overlap with oblivion somewhat. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:27:07 -0500 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> Request for Ideas, Comments, Etc on an INverse idea >The Heavens as >in the stratopshere, the coldness of space, the ice clinging to blue skin, >and the sky, not Heaven itself, which is a different concept altogether. >It's the Heavens, not Heaven. Maybe it's a just a pet affection... but it's >how I thought of and interpreted the Word :D just thought I'd clear it up on >what I saw the Heavens as. Oh, no, I figured out how *you* were reading it. I'm just taking it from an IN perspective, where the connotations attached to the Word determine what the Word covers. The Void, the Unknown, Chaos, the Deep, Space, the Beyond, Ether/Aether, Ice...something like that would keep nearly all of what you want for Oannes, but would also be more 'infernal'. Saying Heavens, *plural*, with "the" in there, does help, but in this kind of setting it's still more likely to be interpreted as positive than negative, and especially as Heaven itself. (Note to self: pillage Lovecraft for more ideas. When I get my hands on more of his books, anyway...) ~S.D. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:26:00 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Bright Lilim > It must be the fact im male, but I cannot see the fixation with Brights. I'm not male and I can't see it either. > The other female is from a christian upbringing so likes Malakim of war with > flaming swords. What can you do? *chortle* Janet Anderson - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 08:02:59 -0800 From: "Joey's mail" Subject: IN> Times when you were posessed by a Shedite IRL A couple nights ago, while reading 8-Bit theater, I suddenly got a strange urge. I stood up, shouted "ICE CREAM!" and ran to the freezer, scooped out a sizeable portion of ice cream, and proceeded to scarf it down. Later I came to the conclusion that I must have been posessed by a Shedite of Haagenti. I then wandered back through my life and wondered when else I could have been posessed.... Well... - --There are several times I'd like to think I was posessed by one of Andre's when alone with certain people... - --Once I spent about 12 hours playing Spyro the Dragon II, a game I don't even like. I blame Nybbas, or maybe it was one of Menarach's(SP) remaining servitors... - --Actually, I can't see how the Prince of Sloth isn't around anymore, since I think I'm almost permanantly possessed by one of his Shedim...I must fail my will rolls a lot. - --When playing with bunsen burners in chemistry, I could have been possessed by a shedite of Belial, but I think I succeeded my will roll that time... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:43:42 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Yet another thing that nobody below a certain age will get... Moe... why do hurt me so? 08> =====

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__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:04:54 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: IN> Stray thought on a Gaiman piece I was going over my copy of "Smoke and Mirrors" (book of Neil Gaiman short stories) and re-read *Cold Colors*. Not sure how many of you have read it, but looking at it, I could get the sense of what can happen if Vapula won, or at least tipped the scales a bit. You've got a world where technology is run in much the same way as magic, with chalk wards, pigeon blood, and charms hung at the corners of the computer. Technology seems to now be equal parts science and superstition. Demons roam the streets selling disks of the Necronomicon and the like. The sidewalk has opened up to reveal bits of Hell, complete with the damned to be looked on by bored tourists, who themselves sell their souls to the demons below. And as for Heaven, well, the trains still possibly run to some safe part, Avalon or the Isle of the Mists (for the unfortunate souls who haven't read him, Gaiman's British), but their software just wasn't compatible, wasn't able to get out quickly enough. One could INize it just by saying that this is the result of Jean sitting on his hands. The saintware never got started up in time. Course, you'd have to give Hatiphas her due as well. Josh ^_^' ps: Huh, now that I think about it *Nicholas Was...* would be a great tale of just how cruel the Tsaydim have become. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:42:48 -0800 From: "Joey's mail" Subject: Re: IN> Stray thought on a Gaiman piece On a similar note, I speculated that if Nybbas and Vapula jointly ruled, the world would end up like the Matrix: humans are placed in machines that permanently set their minds in a section of the Marches that they control (Beleth wouldn't be too happy about this...) and are used as giant essence batteries. A few Angels and Soldiers desperately try to fight. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Moger" To: Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:04 AM Subject: IN> Stray thought on a Gaiman piece > I was going over my copy of "Smoke and Mirrors" (book of Neil Gaiman short > stories) and re-read *Cold Colors*. Not sure how many of you have read it, > but looking at it, I could get the sense of what can happen if Vapula won, > or at least tipped the scales a bit. You've got a world where technology is > run in much the same way as magic, with chalk wards, pigeon blood, and > charms hung at the corners of the computer. Technology seems to now be > equal parts science and superstition. Demons roam the streets selling disks > of the Necronomicon and the like. The sidewalk has opened up to reveal bits > of Hell, complete with the damned to be looked on by bored tourists, who > themselves sell their souls to the demons below. > And as for Heaven, well, the trains still possibly run to some safe part, > Avalon or the Isle of the Mists (for the unfortunate souls who haven't read > him, Gaiman's British), but their software just wasn't compatible, wasn't > able to get out quickly enough. > > One could INize it just by saying that this is the result of Jean sitting on > his hands. The saintware never got started up in time. > > Course, you'd have to give Hatiphas her due as well. > > Josh > ^_^' > > ps: Huh, now that I think about it *Nicholas Was...* would be a great tale > of just how cruel the Tsaydim have become. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 02:49:19 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Mystique >[The quick and dirty: Mystique is a Perception-based alternative to > sorcery.< > William > FANTASTIC! Thank you for crafting it and sharing it. I like how they are just very good listeners to the Symphony instead of forcers of their will upon the Symphony. This also gives me a perfect way to introduce a 'Guinan' type of character to the crew of the exploration ship in my game. Not someone important to combat, but an NPC (or later PC maybe) that can advise them or give them hints without pulling out a Superior or having their NPC angelic lead have all the answers (right now, all of them are new to IN and so he's around to help guide them). I like your take on the Mystiques! Jeff =) Come visit where part of my insanity manifest at JCT; a very non-canon In Nomine is placed in the 23rd century setting of the Jovian Chronicles. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jctrinityRPG - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 05:11:08 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Bright Lilim > *AHEM* That's skirting Dissonance there, podner. > Christian types don't all have Malakite and/or flaming > sword fixations. Well, I thought it was funny *because* I a) had a Christian upbringing and b) like Malakim (flaming swords optional). Janet Anderson - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2863 ********************************