in_nomine-digest Tuesday, December 24 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2912 In this digest: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) RE: IN> Jewish mysteries Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) Re: IN> What Choir Are You? IN> On a whim IN> RE: [none] Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) IN> Re: IN (was no subject) Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) IN> Re: Re: IN> On a whim Re: IN> On a whim IN> Re: IN> IN Qestion IN> IN request advice Re: IN> IN request advice Re: IN> IN request advice Re: IN> IN Qestion Re: IN> IN Qestion IN> Who were the first angels of each Choir? IN> Who were the first angels of each Choir? Re: IN> Who were the first angels of each Choir? Re: IN> Who were the first angels of each Choir? Re: IN> Who were the first angels of each Choir? Re: IN> On a whim Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) IN> Very strange divination techniques (CP to Pyramid) Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) Re: IN> On a whim IN> Re: Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 03:22:16 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) http://quizilla.com/users/demiurgent/quizzes/ Which%20In%20Nomine%20Choir%20are%20you%3F I came out as an Ofanite, which is actually kind of funny given my slothlike ways. - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 07:48:53 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) At 03:22 AM 12/23/2002 -0500, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >http://quizilla.com/users/demiurgent/quizzes/ >Which%20In%20Nomine%20Choir%20are%20you%3F Elohite here. (I keep calling myself a Mercurian, but nobody who's met me will doubt the Elohite result.) On the other hand, I'm not sure it's exactly an accurate quiz. Like so many I've seen recently, it fits its form too closely to its function: the telling attribute is that, if your answers are grounded at all in reality, it's almost impossible to get at least one of the Choirs as a result; by contrast, it's terribly easy to get the choir you want. I know, I know, this fad - like most - doesn't warrant having its design structure analyzed to Hell and back, but I feel oddly inspired today. - -EDG ObIN: Are You My Mommy? (Ethereal Discord) The celestial suffering from this Discord has begun to lose his ability to tell the various flavors of celestial apart. It's less a perception problem than it is an association problem; the celestial can (usually) distinguish the different forms of Choirs and Bands, but is unable to match name and description with the forms he's faced with. (Someone with this Discord might look at a shadowy humanoid figure with black wings and be unable to pair that image with the Malakite Choir, for instance; he might also hear the name "Cherub" and be unable to pair that with "guardians, protect and attune to people".) AYMM/1: The celestial must roll Intelligence every time he wishes to associate a celestial form with a specific Choir or Band (or vice versa). AYMM/2: The celestial must roll Intelligence-2 every time he wishes to associate a celestial form with a specific Choir or Band (or vice versa). AYMM/3: The celestial must roll Intelligence-2 every time he wishes to associate a celestial form with a specific Choir or Band (or vice versa), and must roll Intelligence every time he wishes to associate a specific ability or function with a specific Choir or Band (or vice versa). AYMM/4: The celestial must roll Intelligence-4 every time he wishes to associate a celestial form with a specific Choir or Band (or vice versa), and must roll Intelligence-2 every time he wishes to associate a specific ability or function with a specific Choir or Band (or vice versa). AYMM/5: The celestial must roll Intelligence-4 every time he wishes to associate a celestial form with a specific Choir or Band (or vice versa), must roll Intelligence-4 every time he wishes to associate a specific ability or function with a specific Choir or Band (or vice versa), and must roll Perception in order to tell different types of celestial forms apart. (Demons are still visually distinct from angels on a failed roll.) AYMM/6: The celestial must roll Intelligence-6 every time he wishes to associate a celestial form with a specific Choir or Band (or vice versa), must roll Intelligence-6 every time he wishes to associate a specific ability or function with a specific Choir or Band (or vice versa), and must roll Perception-3 in order to tell different types of celestial forms apart. (Demons are *not* visually distinct from angels on a failed roll.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 05:54:40 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) I came out Cherub, big surprise. 0:> =====

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"There's nothing I can do -- he's _bread_, Jim." __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:32:50 -0500 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: IN> Jewish mysteries BC Petery wrote: > Or she might still be a nice Jewish girl. "You can turn that water into wine once you've eaten your k'naidlach, dear, and not a second sooner. And don't you *dare* feed it to those 'Angels In Attendance' again! Your father doesn't work to support _them_, you know." Actually, the turning of the water into wine IS one of Mary's stereotypical recorded moments as a Jewish mother, but the pushing was going the other way. Translating (very) freely: "They're out of wine." "So? What do you expect me to do about it? Don't bug me, Mom." (To catering staff): "Just do whatever he tells you." (Settles back and waits...) John 2:1-11, esp. 1-5 Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:40:40 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) Cherub. Janet Anderson ************************************************* Seraph: What do we want to do if he turns out to be an infernal? Malakite: I'm kinda hoping we don't find that out definitively. Leaving a long string of bodies behind us isn't a really good idea. - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 07:23:27 -0800 From: cmccurry@earthlink.net Subject: Re: IN> What Choir Are You? On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 07:48:53 -0500 EDG said unto us: >>ObIN: Are You My Mommy? (Ethereal Discord) I alternate between being impressed and nervous that you can come up with something like that so quickly... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:28:45 -0500 From: EDG Subject: IN> On a whim I wrote this up. It's just a first draft, and I don't have pictures yet. Still... http://quizilla.com/users/EDG/quizzes/What%20In%20Nomine%20demon%20are%20you%3F - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:47:51 -0500 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: IN> RE: rob scwalen wrote: "I was wondering if the word of Hatred was a superior level word then would it fall under the jurisdiction of Lucifer or any of the majot princes of Hell, and if i made a Prince of Hatred for my campain what suggestions would you give on his band and band attunements please respond asap" I'd think that Hatred (or Wrath, to give it the standard name of a Deadly Sin) would make a fine Princely Word. As it is, on this list, if people were casting about for a Prince to identify with Wrath, Belial has been mentioned. If I recall correctly, Moloch may actually be the deceased Prince of Wrath, but my memory could be faulty. If there WAS a Prince of Wrath who got killed, this could explain why there is no major Prince with that Word now; it didn't work before and Lucifer may not think it will work again, at least with any available candidates. I'd use a Calabite as Prince of Wrath, if I were to write one up. And, if the name "Moloch" has not already been used, it would be a good, traditional one. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:54:32 -0800 (PST) From: rob scwalen Subject: [none] Would an Ofanite of Gabriel gain dissonance, become Outcast, and eventualy Fall for becoming cruel to those he is to punish? For example, thinking of punishments that would be considered cruel, sadistic and down right mean by other angels and servants of Gabriel or maybe develope a hatred for those he punishes and those he feels are to soft on those who are cruel to others. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:05:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Janet Anderson wrote: > Cherub. I got Seraph, which is just goofy, considering that on the angelic side I clearly waffle between Elohite and Ofanite, and on the demonic side no one can decide on Habbalah or BALseraph... The trouble with tests like this is that each question clearly maps to a single choir, and there aren't enough questions to ensure a good sampling. In my case, I didn't "choose" the same Choir twice with my answers, so I got Seraph by default. Not a very good test, unless you're so extremely biased toward one type that you choose at least three answers that mark you as that Choir. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Now, am I expected to trot off into bovine obedience by your manly swagger, or just MOO?" -- Portnoy, _Bloom County_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:10:01 -0500 From: "Fu" Subject: Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) I came out as Elohite, which is pretty accurate. I'm certainly a Habbalah when I am feeling infernal... >=P ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:45:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Shih Subject: IN> Re: IN (was no subject) - --- rob scwalen wrote: [content snipped] Could you please include "IN" somewhere in the subject line of your posts, Rob? Doing so makes it easier for me to separate the In Nomine list traffic from my personal correspondence. Thanks, Jennifer __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:57:53 -0800 From: "Joey's mail" Subject: Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) I'm a Mercurian. I thought most of my answers would lead me towards Elohite, but all my friends tell me I'm a Mercurian as well, so this test seems faily accurate... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:04:27 -0800 From: "Joey's mail" Subject: IN> Re: > I'd think that Hatred (or Wrath, to give it the standard name of a Deadly > Sin) would make a fine Princely Word. As it is, on this list, if people > were casting about for a Prince to identify with Wrath, Belial has been > mentioned. If I recall correctly, Moloch may actually be the deceased > Prince of Wrath, but my memory could be faulty. If there WAS a Prince of > Wrath who got killed, this could explain why there is no major Prince with > that Word now; it didn't work before and Lucifer may not think it will work > again, at least with any available candidates. > > I'd use a Calabite as Prince of Wrath, if I were to write one up. And, if > the name "Moloch" has not already been used, it would be a good, traditional > one. > If Gabriel were to fall, her Word would almost certainly be Wrath--since she can't have fire, and she already IS a punisher, and would be a Calabite to boot. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 04:13:49 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> On a whim Lilim. Janet Anderson ************************************************* Seraph: What do we want to do if he turns out to be an infernal? Malakite: I'm kinda hoping we don't find that out definitively. Leaving a long string of bodies behind us isn't a really good idea. - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:13:13 -0800 From: "Joey's mail" Subject: Re: IN> On a whim Impudite. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDG" To: "The In Nomine Mailing List" Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 7:28 AM Subject: IN> On a whim > I wrote this up. It's just a first draft, and I don't have pictures > yet. Still... > > http://quizilla.com/users/EDG/quizzes/What%20In%20Nomine%20demon%20are%20you %3F > > -EDG > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:19:33 -0800 From: "Joey's mail" Subject: IN> Re: Ofanite? Probably not. The only choir that can't take pleasure in their punishments are Elohim, since they are letting their passions rule their actions in being more cruel then necessary. Kyriotates of Fire are noted for ENJOYING physical punishments they give. Otherwise, smite smite smite. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob scwalen" To: Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 8:54 AM > Would an Ofanite of Gabriel gain dissonance, become > Outcast, and eventualy Fall for becoming cruel to > those he is to punish? For example, thinking of > punishments that would be considered cruel, sadistic > and down right mean by other angels and servants of > Gabriel or maybe develope a hatred for those he > punishes and those he feels are to soft on those who > are cruel to others. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:18:01 -0800 (PST) From: rob scwalen Subject: IN> IN Qestion what was malphas' word before the fall? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:40:44 -0800 (PST) From: rob scwalen Subject: IN> IN request advice I made a calabite of fire who was originally an angel who later fell. I am having difficulty in coming up with a reason why he fell. What i know for sure is that when he was an angel he worked for Gabriel. Please respond asap i will greatly appritiate your help. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:40:58 -0000 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: Re: IN> IN request advice - -----Original Message----- From: rob scwalen >I made a calabite of fire who was originally an angel >who later fell. I am having difficulty in coming up >with a reason why he fell. What i know for sure is >that when he was an angel he worked for Gabriel. >Please respond asap i will greatly appritiate your help. If he is now a Calabite, then he originally must have been an Ofanite. He presumably Fell either because he transgressed his dissonance conditions as an Ofanite, or as a Servitor of Gabriel. If the first, then he's guilty of some form of deliberate slowness. If the second, then he failed to punish the cruel on schedule. Possibly the two are linked? Genevieve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:51:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher Anthony" Subject: Re: IN> IN request advice rob scwalen said: By the way: thank you for placing topics on your messages now, but please try to make them... well, more topical. This one, for instance, might have been "Why does an angel Fall?" The INML automatically appends the IN> to the beginning, so you only need to include that if you have *nothing else* in your subject line. > Please respond asap i will greatly appritiate your help. - - Let someone cruel go in favor of pursuing a not-quite-so-cruel demon. - - Stopped another Servitor of Fire from pursuing a target. - - Deliberately Fell. (id est, "Hunting the cruel would be so much easier if I could just think and they'd go away" or "You know, I think Belial really has the right perspective on things".) - - Frozen in an iceberg after an abortive attempt on a Nazi baron, worshipped as a god by Eskimos, and only released decades later in an attempt to revive the world's greatest soldier.* - -EDG * I was trying to think of a situation where an Ofanite of Fire would be penalized for not moving. Now we just need to give Cap a Celestial Rebreather and he'll be fine... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:06:30 -0800 From: "Joey's mail" Subject: Re: IN> IN Qestion I'm not sure, but his first duty was to help Gabriel, David, and Belial separate the tectonic plates. He was also the first Kyriotate, so perhaps his word was division or something related to that? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob scwalen" To: Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 3:18 PM Subject: IN> IN Qestion > what was malphas' word before the fall? > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:42:52 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> IN Qestion On Monday, December 23, 2002, at 10:06 PM, Joey's mail wrote: > I'm not sure, but his first duty was to help Gabriel, David, and Belial > separate the tectonic plates. He was also the first Kyriotate, so > perhaps > his word was division or something related to that? > He might also not have had a Word before the Fall -- many powerful Angels didn't. Even Michael only received his Word after defeating Lucifer and casting him into the pit of Hell. - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:20:02 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Who were the first angels of each Choir? > I'm not sure, but his first duty was to help Gabriel, David, and Belial > separate the tectonic plates. He was also the first Kyriotate, so perhaps > his word was division or something related to that? *Was* Malphas the first Kyriotate? I know Michael was the first Seraph and Uriel was the first Malakite. I suspect Eli may have been the first Mercurian, but that's just a guess. What about other Choirs? Janet Anderson ************************************************* Seraph: What do we want to do if he turns out to be an infernal? Malakite: I'm kinda hoping we don't find that out definitively. Leaving a long string of bodies behind us isn't a really good idea. - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:32:14 -0500 (EST) From: jamoge@wm.edu Subject: IN> Who were the first angels of each Choir? He was also the first Kyriotate, so perhaps > his word was division or something related to that? *Was* Malphas the first Kyriotate? I know Michael was the first Seraph and Uriel was the first Malakite. I suspect Eli may have been the first Mercurian, but that's just a guess. What about other Choirs? - --- I keep hearing on the list of Malphas being the first Kyriotate, and for some reason it just doesn't feel right for me. He seems too petty and too much of a Stone Servitor prior to the Fall to be the first Kyriotate, and I'd like to think, on a side note, that it wasn't the first of any of the choirs that Fell. As for the other, admittedly guessed, firsts- Seraph- Michael Cherub- David Ofanite- Gabriel, though possibly Janus Elohite- Raphael Malakite- Uriel Kyriotate- Oannes? Mercurian- Eli Grigori- ??? Josh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:32:35 -0800 From: "Joey's mail" Subject: Re: IN> Who were the first angels of each Choir? , so perhaps > > his word was division or something related to that? > > *Was* Malphas the first Kyriotate? > > I know Michael was the first Seraph and Uriel was the first Malakite. I suspect Eli may have been the first Mercurian, but that's just a guess. What about other Choirs? > > First Seraph--Michael. Lucifer, Baal, and Uriel (see below) all came later, but were involved in the creation of the world. Dominic was created after Earth, but before the Fall. First Cherub--David. Malakim weren't created with the rest of the choirs, the first Malakim were Angels of other Choirs who took on a mantle of honor and became Malakim. David was originally a Cherub. It was mentioned that Novalis, Blandine, Beleth, and Asmodeus were all later creations (i.e., after the world was created, but before the Fall.) Christopher and Zadkiel were both created long after the Fall. First Ofanite--Gabriel. Belial was a minor Angel before the Fall, and Janus was a later creation. As far as we know, Valefor was never an Angel... First Elohite--Raphael, the Archangel of Knowledge, died fighting Legion. Jean was a later creation, Khalid was born after the Fall, and Vapula was never an Angel. First Malakite--Uriel. He was a Seraph before becomming a Malakite (thus, how he can be considered Michael's brother.) David soon followed his transformation, but Laurence was created long after the Fall. First Kyriotate--Malphas was the first Kyriotate mentioned in the history of the Angelic Player's Guide, and the only Kyriotate mentioned to have a role during the creation of the world. Jordi and Saminga were later creations, and Magog was created after the Fall, so it can be assumed that Malphas was the first Kyriotate. First Mercurian--Eli. Kobal and Andrealphus were later creations, I'm pretty sure Marc was created after the Fall, and Alaemon was never an Angel. And for bonus, among demons... First Balseraph--Lucifer. First Djinn--Either Asmodeus or Beleth. First Calabite--Belial. First Habbalah--Hrm...that's a tough one. First Lilim--Impossible to say; she's probably dead. First Shedite--Malphas or Saminga, although Saminga did not rise to power until long after the Fall. First Impudite--Andrealphus or Kobal. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:48:06 -0500 From: "C. Mark Pearson" Subject: Re: IN> Who were the first angels of each Choir? >... I'd like to think, on a side note, that > it wasn't the first of any of the choirs that Fell. > > As for the other, admittedly guessed, firsts- > Ofanite- Gabriel, I believe both the main book and Superiors 3 says that Gabriel is the first Ofanite. I could be wrong, however. > Kyriotate- Oannes? What about Jordi? Granted, Water seems an 'older' word, but I Jordi seems to fit. C. Mark Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 21:39:50 -0800 From: "Joey's mail" Subject: Re: IN> Who were the first angels of each Choir? > > > Kyriotate- Oannes? > > What about Jordi? Granted, Water seems an 'older' word, but I Jordi seems > to fit. > I'm not sure about Oannes, but Jordi definitly came after Malphas, as Jordi did not come around until after the Earth was created. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:04:13 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> On a whim Hmmm. This pegs me as a Habbalah. Not sure how I feel about that... };> =====

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Kobal would of course like to get an Imp on the show to say an Angelic choir... and suddenly Redeem to said Choir... :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:23:50 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Very strange divination techniques (CP to Pyramid) ...for no good reason except that I felt like tossing them off. I mean, geez, we've like already -got- Seers and stuff. :) Moe "There's a little Unknown Armies mixed in too, methinks" Lane Divination (Adapted - in some places, stolen outright - from the Divination/Blessed material found in GURPS CI, GURPS Magic and GURPS Grimoire) Despite the best efforts of both Destiny and Fate, Blessed mortals can and do exist for years without anyone noticing. This can result in interesting results - especially if the Blessed mortal is the sort to try and see patterns in the world around him or her. Sometimes, they succeed. Divination (Perception) No Default; Prerequisite: the Blessed Advantage This skill represents an organized (if not comprehensive and/or infallible) study of the Symphony, with an emphasis on pattern recognition and general forewarning. A successful roll will give the mortal at least some idea of what is going around them, a possible way to solve a problem, a general warning of danger... in short, it's a Clue Stick/Thrown Bone/Plot Wagon/Sleazy Rationalization for the GM. The CD gives a general yardstick to how clear the information is: bear in mind that a CD of 6 isn't going to make things clear. Also, an Intervention on a Divination roll will alert one Servitor of Destiny/Fate within about half a mile that something interesting is going on yonder: which one it is depends on whether the Intervention was favorable or unfavorable. There are literally hundreds of different Divination 'styles': the below are only a representative sample. Note that all of them assume hefty penalties for use without the right materials: new types of Divinations should reflect this. Arithomancy Needs a piece of paper, something to write with and a basic knowledge of mathematics. The style concentrates on financial matters: any other use is at - -4 to both the skill roll and the CD. However, there is a variant called Rolling up a New Character that allows for general use by roleplaying Diviners. This involves generating a character from scratch for a RPG that uses a random generation system to determine attributes: with a successful roll, the resulting PC will have skills, stats and abilities deemed best suited to solve the most pressing problem of the Diviner. For Divining using a point based system, see Bibliomancy (GURPS) below. Astrology The user must be able to see the night sky and have access to some sort of manual explaining star patterns. If one or the other is not available, s u b tract -2 from the skill roll: if neither is, s u b tract -4 from both the skill roll and the CD (minimum CD 1). Auguries The study of personal omens: attempting to Divine things for anyone except the Diviner is at a penalty. A partner is at -1, blood relatives are at -2, friends/enemies are at -3 (and -1 to the CD) and a random person is at -5 to the skill roll and -3 to the CD. Bibliomancy (Bible or other Holy Scriptures) This type of Divination is fairly common: the Diviner simply opens the religious text to a random point and ponders the scripture verse found there. Any religious book will work, but the roll is always at -1 to skill and -2 to the CD. Obviously, the Diviner must be able to read the language in which the scriptures are written. Bibliomancy (GURPS) This is a very new Divination style, and one of the most flexible ones. However, this skill is at a base - -6 to both skill and CD. This penalty is reduced by 1 (to either skill or CD) for every 13 GURPS supplements that the Diviner owns and/or can access (maximum +0): thus, a Diviner with 156 GURPS supplements can use this Divination without penalty. By sheer coincidence, the author of this piece currently owns about 156 GURPS supplements. Cartomancy This type traditionally uses a Tarot deck; modern Diviners have been found with regular playing cards, video poker machines and even CCGs. The Cartomancer must choose a specific deck: use of another deck of the same type is at -3 and a completely different type of cards is at -6. Crystal-Gazing/Tea Leaves The Diviner uses one or the other. Crystal balls have to be at least 6 inches in diameter to be worth anything: Tea Leaves always work, but at a -3. Also, use of this Divination for anything except matters of romance will be at a -4. Dactylomancy Otherwise known as an Ouija Board. This is not strictly speaking a Divination style as much as it is the Language (Ghosts) skill, based off of Perception and effectively limited to Yes/No answers. Haruspication This would be the reading entrails: -3 if the animal had blemishes or flaws. In most countries, it's also a good way to get arrested if done in public. Fortunately, diviners in the medical profession has recently discovered a variant: X-Ray Reading. This requires first that an X-Ray, ultrasound and/or MRI be made of the target to be Divined: the skill can only be used to forecast future health of said target. Oneiromancy Only technically a Divination style: it's pretty much the Lucid Dreaming skill with a bit more oomph. The lucid Dreamer must roll against Dreaming -4 in order to gain the benefits listed above. Pyromancy This style requires a flame and a sacrifice of at least moderate personal value to the Diviner. Amusingly enough, an Intervention on a Pyromancy roll will not alert a Servitor of Destiny/Fate, but instead garner the personal attention of either the Archangel of Divine Fire or the Demon Prince of Infernal Fire. Again, which one shows up depends on whether the Intervention was favorable or unfavorable. Rune Casting The user must have a complete set of runes (-5 to skill if even one is missing). Currently, the most common types are Futhark, Oggham, Dwarvish, Quenya and Klingon. Use of another type of rune is at -3 to both the skill roll and CD. And, of course: Cell Phone This Divination is available to Blessed individuals who are formally in the service of either Heaven or Hell. OK, so it's not actually a Divination. Sue me. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/18/02 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:02:13 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) At 3:22 AM -0500 12/23/02, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >http://quizilla.com/users/demiurgent/quizzes/Which%20In%20Nomine%20Choir%20are%20you%3F Elohite, unsurprisingly. After all, Bright Lilim know that the Symphony Needs them... O;> - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:10:43 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> On a whim At 10:28 AM -0500 12/23/02, EDG wrote: >http://quizilla.com/users/EDG/quizzes/What%20In%20Nomine%20demon%20are%20you%3F Hm. Impudite. Hm. Probably because I don't think kittens are _simple_ creatures. I've lived with enough of the little things to know they're all quite different and totally insane. O:> - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:05:21 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Re: At 8:54 AM -0800 12/23/02, rob scwalen wrote: >Would an Ofanite of Gabriel gain dissonance, become >Outcast, and eventualy Fall for becoming cruel to >those he is to punish? Not necessarily. Judgment can't punish "too harshly." Fire has no such restriction that I remember late at night with a headache. Of course, if you run across a Seraph of Fire, or some other Choir who's specific to what you're doing, you're toasted... (And Elohim who get out of line are likely to start getting the tattoos pretty quickly.) - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 05:01:24 -0600 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) >Kobal would of course like to get an Imp on the show to say an Angelic >choir... and suddenly Redeem to said Choir... :) That'd be bright humor, though, or at least incredibly clever. XD Then again, Nybbas' has already probably done several What If's on Kobal's original task from God, so... Kamika-Z, who actually could picture some clueless imp saying 'Lilim'... _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_advancedjmf_3mf ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2912 ********************************