in_nomine-digest Tuesday, December 24 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2913 In this digest: INteresting assessments. (was RE: IN>What Choir Are You? et al/ IN>On a whim) IN> IN request advice IN> I am not Spock. IN> On a whim IN> Choir shifts to Malakite? Re: IN> Choir shifts to Malakite? Re: IN> Choir shifts to Malakite? RE: IN> Choir shifts to Malakite? Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) Re: IN> IN request advice Re: INteresting assessments. (was RE: IN>What Choir Are You? et al/ IN>On a whim) Re: IN> Very strange divination techniques (CP to Pyramid) Re: IN> Choir shifts to Malakite? Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (The Game Show) IN> New Gadget Re: IN> Very strange divination techniques (CP to Pyramid) Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (The Game Show) IN> The INC Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (The Game Show) Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) IN> punishment by an immediate fall Re: IN> The INC IN> The Grinch Re: IN> punishment by an immediate fall Re: IN> punishment by an immediate fall IN> Nothing for Christmas? I don't think so... Re: IN> Very strange divination techniques (CP to Pyramid) IN> Christmas IN fiction ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 05:13:24 -0600 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: INteresting assessments. (was RE: IN>What Choir Are You? et al/ IN>On a whim) Well, one roomie was a Mercurian/Lilim. Another was a Malakite/Calabite. The third, a Cherub/Habbalite. Number for was a Kyriotate/Balseraph. And of course, there was myself, Ofanite (verified) Angel of Cognitive Dissonance, and, rather on par with the Archbeth's slanderous accusation, Calabite (Demon of Mac's, she speculates, no less. I just snort.) XD The problems is, I'd have to be a Demon of Technology to get the word of Macs. Which, as we all know, isn't too likely. Of course, given the polarization that seems to occur about them, Factions wouldn't be too far off the mark. The Demon of Linux has to be a Malphan... Kamika-Z, vaguely amused. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:07:37 -0500 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> IN request advice > I made a Calabite of fire who was originally an angel > who later fell. Remember: Most Celestials have two dissonance conditions. If they can be brought into conflict you have a source for angst. Ofanim can't sit still. Gabby's crew must punish the cruel. 1) "but each time they finish with one, they must deal with the very next one they meet." 2) "The cruel must feel Gabriel's fire within a number of days equal to the angel's Celestial forces..." 3) Ofanim of Gabby are charged with pursuing those who flee justice. Problems to inflict dissonance with: Somebody gets into a witness protection program. A "government black project" that involves torture. The only way to get a hold of a particular target is to sit and do nothing until the target walks into an ambush. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:07:37 -0500 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> I am not Spock. > The only choir that can't take pleasure in their > punishments are Elohim, since they are letting their passions rule their > actions in being more cruel then necessary. If Elohim let their passions rule their actions they are being dissonant. Taking pleasure in punishing the cruel, or any other task, may be a fringe benefit. As long as they don't allow their judgement to be overwhelmed by their passions they are in the clear. (Wondering if Dominic should have been Elohite.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:07:36 -0500 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> On a whim It refused to answer. It pleases me to know that I am beyond mortal comprehension. Ineffable. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:11:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Randy Finder Subject: IN> Choir shifts to Malakite? David is given as the standard example of a shift to Malakite (from Cherub) and I can easily see a Cherub decide that other things need protecting and holding up a sword and saying "this must not be allowed" However some of the other Choirs, it's a lot more difficult. Seraph- pretty easily. Is Lawrence a canon example of this? Ofanite- Perhaps the fight at the time of the fall kept him one place long enough that the honor of staying became more importatn. Elohite- the emotion could come from inside, but they seem so unlikely to express it transcendantly that this seems less likely as well. Kyriotate- Now this just strikes me as just strange. The Definative statement that is the key to the transition is so completely different that a Kyriotate view, that it seems unlikely (where upon someone here will write one. :) Mercurian - With the webs of the relationships breaking around them, perhaps it is the only way to save them... Grigori- Prbably pretty low, not sure. So in order of likelihood Cherub Seraph Ofanite Mercurian Elohite Grigori Kyriotate And if your game has the ability for angels to change to malkite after the fall, put the Bright Lilim even with the Grigori. Randy - -- Leadership, Friendship and Service - Alpha Phi Omega ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 08:22:55 -0800 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: Re: IN> Choir shifts to Malakite? >>However some of the other Choirs, it's a lot more difficult. >>Seraph- pretty easily. Is Lawrence a canon example of this? No, but Uriel is. >>Mercurian - With the webs of the relationships breaking around them, perhaps it is the only way to save them... The way I wrote it out with the Angel of Thorns (A former Mercurian) was that the Fall of someone he loved, the destruction being inflicted within Heaven and the sense of betrayal made him angry enough to change. The common thread to all of them was that what had happened made the angels *angry*. Worse that the normal level of angry that an angel can feel and far worse than the kind associated with the Discord of the same name. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:27:28 -0500 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> Choir shifts to Malakite? >David is given as the standard example of a shift to Malakite (from >Cherub) and I can easily see a Cherub decide that other things need >protecting and holding up a sword and saying "this must not be allowed" > >However some of the other Choirs, it's a lot more difficult. > >Seraph- pretty easily. Is Lawrence a canon example of this? No - Laurence was an angel of Purity, made long after the Fall, Malakite from the start. (Who's been rumored to wind up a /Mercurian/ if he ever shifts to a normal Choir, but I digress.) However, /Uriel/ is a canon example of a Seraph turning Malakite. ~S.D. Ryukage ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:24:08 -0500 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: IN> Choir shifts to Malakite? Randy Finder wrote: > Seraph- pretty easily. Is Lawrence a canon example of this? Laurence was created a Malakite (by Uriel) long after the Fall. > Kyriotate- Now this just strikes me as just strange. Perhaps the terrible issues of the Fall made them feel a great need to be more focused. > Grigori- Prbably pretty low, not sure. Angels shifted choir to Malakim only during the Fall. Grigori were created after the Fall, in response to it, so no Grigori had the opportunity to change into a Malakite. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:28:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Randy Finder Subject: Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Michael Bruner wrote: > added Forces have to come from SOMEWHERE! Kobal would of course like to get > an Imp on the show to say an Angelic choir... and suddenly Redeem to said > Choir... :) Very short punchline though... Lets see, you've got a 9 force angel (don't remember what happens if a 7 or 8 force demon redeems, so lets assume 9) sitting in the middle of Shal-Mari in a Nybbassian TV studio within view of the DP who added the forces in the first place.... Randy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:19:43 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> IN request advice At 9:07 AM -0500 12/24/02, BC Petery wrote: >Ofanim can't sit still. It's more nuanced than that -- they can't choose inaction when action is called for. The "can't sit still" is more a side-effect than a dissonance condition. Of course, one who can't realize fast enough that action _is_ called for... is dissonant on the most fundamental level, because he didn't _KNOW_ fast enough. Also, Ofanim can screw up with their resonance -- if they make the resonance roll, and then _fail_ the skill roll with check of 6, they fail to live up to the Motion in their head. >Gabby's crew must punish the cruel. > 2) "The cruel must feel Gabriel's fire > within a number of days equal to the > angel's Celestial forces..." Though they do only get one note of dissonance during that time. 7 days or 700, if you're continuing THAT hunt, really and in your heart, you get only one note of dissonance for missing your first deadline. And once you bag the target, the note vanishes. Of course, if you give up on targets a lot, or get dissonance from other reasons, you're pretty dissonant. - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:14:11 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: INteresting assessments. (was RE: IN>What Choir Are You? et al/ IN>On a whim) At 5:13 AM -0600 12/24/02, Gregg Forge wrote: > And of course, there was myself, Ofanite (verified) Angel of >Cognitive Dissonance, and, rather on par with the Archbeth's >slanderous accusation, Calabite (Demon of Mac's, she speculates, >no less. I just snort.) XD Nononono -- you're not the Demon of Macs. You're the Demon of _Breaking Macs_. While Vapula might have sponsored you for the Word, he wouldn't want you as a Servitor. Maybe you work for Kronos instead. O;> The Calabite entropic field you possess, due to your Word, is uniquely tailored to _only_ affecting that kind of computer. If it keeps working, Vapula might let you into his service -- or not, since most other Calabim can't keep themselves from disassembling things, so even a Word-bound would probably have the lifespan of a redeemed imp in Asmodeus' office... O;D - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:29:28 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Very strange divination techniques (CP to Pyramid) At 10:23 PM -0800 12/23/02, Maurice Lane wrote: >...for no good reason except that I felt like tossing >them off. I mean, geez, we've like already -got- >Seers and stuff. :) Hee! Yes, but what's a few more oddities in the universe? > Also, an >Intervention on a Divination roll will alert one >Servitor of Destiny/Fate within about half a mile that >something interesting is going on yonder: Mmmm, Plot Device indeed! Of course, I suddenly fall down on What To Do Next. Clearly, you must write a short adventure or adventure seed for this! >However, there is a variant called Rolling up a New >Character that allows for general use by roleplaying >Diviners. This involves generating a character from >scratch for a RPG that uses a random generation system >to determine attributes: with a successful roll, the >resulting PC will have skills, stats and abilities >deemed best suited to solve the most pressing problem >of the Diviner. So how are you going to explain Phil and Dixie? O:> >Bibliomancy (GURPS) Do you get a bonus if you have a computer program to come up with 3 books to be combined...? O;> >By sheer coincidence, the author of this piece >currently owns about 156 GURPS supplements. *snicker* >Pyromancy >Amusingly enough, an Intervention on a Pyromancy roll >will not alert a Servitor of Destiny/Fate, but instead >garner the personal attention of either the Archangel >of Divine Fire or the Demon Prince of Infernal Fire. Actually, I'd suggest just alerting the nearest Fire Servitor -- more likely to get PCs involved. Or maybe it alerts the Superior who typically dispatches the nearest PC(s) to Deal With This. In Gabriel's case, perhaps without mentioning what "This" is, or how they're supposed to "Deal" with it. >Cell Phone >OK, so it's not actually a Divination. Sue me. *snrk* - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:31:04 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Choir shifts to Malakite? At 11:11 AM 12/24/2002 -0400, Randy Finder wrote: >Seraph- pretty easily. Is Lawrence a canon example of this? No. Laurence was created long after the Fall. Uriel was, however, a Seraph before he transformed. >Ofanite- Perhaps the fight at the time of the fall kept him one place >long enough that the honor of staying became more importatn. Consider an Ofanite *so* angry that he manages to channel *all* of his movement energy into attacking his enemies instead. (cf. the "can't fall off the floor" theory.) >Elohite- the emotion could come from inside, but they seem so unlikely to >express it transcendantly that this seems less likely as well. Even then, the shift to Malakite could be the expression of that transcendent rage. (Again, cf. the "can't fall off the floor" theory.) >Kyriotate- Now this just strikes me as just strange. The Definative >statement that is the key to the transition is so completely different >that a Kyriotate view, that it seems unlikely (where upon someone here >will write one. :) What, sheer outrage at the repudiation and audacity of the rebels (IIRC)? I don't see Kyriotates as being any less susceptible to that than any other Choir, and in fact I'd think their transformation would be a more effective terror weapon than most. Imagine watching the Fall, at the moment of the creation of the Malakim, and seeing hundreds of Kyriotates, the agents of multiplicity, suddenly coalesce into singular creatures. What sort of impact would that have on the rebels? >Mercurian - With the webs of the relationships breaking around them, >perhaps it is the only way to save them... The primary reason given for the Rebellion was that the rebels didn't want to place humans above themselves. The Mercurians are not the Friends of Man for no reason. >Grigori- Prbably pretty low, not sure. The Grigori didn't exist until six thousand years after the Fall. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:36:02 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (The Game Show) At 11:28 AM 12/24/2002 -0400, Randy Finder wrote: >Very short punchline though... Oh, no. You're not thinking fourth-dimensionally. See, the thing isn't that Kobal has done it. The thing is that Kobal has demonstrated that it can be done. What does it do to the political structure (and rhetoric) of Hell if it's shown that Imps can fledge directly into angels? - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:15:57 -0500 From: EDG Subject: IN> New Gadget Fair warning: this makes reference to a comic series I have read only once, and that about a month and a half ago. At 11:29 AM 12/24/2002 -0500, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >So how are you going to explain Phil and Dixie? O:> Why, with the Heterodyne Dynamic Transpheric Pansequent Hedron, of course. ... What, you need an explanation? *sigh* Very well. The Heterodyne Dynamic Transpheric Pansequent Hedron might, to a more pedestrian mind than yours or mine, be seen as a time machine. It sends its user back or forward in time as he chooses, although the amount of time through which the traveller moves is, naturally, random. Determining the amount, however, is - Yes, random. It wouldn't be any fun otherwise, would it? Ahem. Determining the amount, however, is as simple as tossing the Heterody - excuse me, the "time machine" - onto a flat surface and waiting for it to come to a stop - you want to see my brother go nuts? Give him one of these and a bowl. The number represented on the upward-facing side is the amount of time through which the user moves - that's minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, or years, calibrated by setting an inset dial on the twenty-first side of the "time machine". What if the dial lands up? Can't happen. It's been perfectly balanced not to. In fact, you won't even see the dial on the "time machine" unless you're looking for it. However, I don't suggest you try finding out. My brother tried that with one of the Unfibrators and we found him three counties over, naked in a haystack. Now, naturally, the, er, "time machine" does require a bit of power to operate. The device uses a miniature version of the Heterodyne Thermostimular Capacitor - *sigh* That's a "steam battery". Honestly, people. It uses a miniature version of the "battery" to operate its clockworks and switches, the excess steam being vented only after the device has been used to avoid affecting the random nature of the result. It can easily be recharged if you happen to own or have available a Heterodyne Thermostimular Generator, or if - oh, for Heaven's sake, you can figure out on your own what _that_ does - you have some other method of compressing a fair volume of steam - say, the inside of your head - into a very small device measuring just under half an inch in diameter. The "time machine" can also recharge itself, given time, using the ambient heat and moisture in the air. Leave one of these alone for too long, and the room around it will become very cold and dry - which means they double as a regulator for the storage of alcohol of any sort, or of any food which needs to be kept, well, cold and dry. Naturally, however, if the device is not fully charged, only the lower settings - say, minutes and hours on a two-week ambient charge - will be available; the "time machine" will simply fail to function. Here - go ahead and hold it. See how your hand's already getting colder? That's the "battery"'s recharger at work. Now put it down, you don't want to freeze your hand off. _Not_ with - Bugger. Can _you_ tell them apart? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:27:30 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Very strange divination techniques (CP to Pyramid) - --- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Mmmm, Plot Device indeed! Of course, I suddenly > fall down on What To Do Next. Clearly, you must > write a short adventure or adventure seed for this! It's a thought. Shoulda made this an article. WHEN will I learn? > So how are you going to explain Phil and Dixie? O:> Aside from EDG's kewl idea? Easy: they both rolled Interventions. I Am Silent about what kinds said Interventions were. :) > Do you get a bonus if you have a computer program to > come > up with 3 books to be combined...? O;> Far be it from me to make the LE roll at a minus. > Actually, I'd suggest just alerting the nearest Fire > Servitor -- more likely to get PCs involved. Or > maybe it > alerts the Superior who typically dispatches the > nearest > PC(s) to Deal With This. In Gabriel's case, perhaps > without > mentioning what "This" is, or how they're supposed > to "Deal" > with it. Another good thought. > >Cell Phone > >OK, so it's not actually a Divination. Sue me. > > *snrk* Thank you. Thankyouvurrymuch. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/18/02 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:05:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Randy Finder Subject: Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (The Game Show) On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, EDG wrote: > At 11:28 AM 12/24/2002 -0400, Randy Finder wrote: > > >Very short punchline though... > Oh, no. You're not thinking fourth-dimensionally. > See, the thing isn't that Kobal has done it. > The thing is that Kobal has demonstrated that it can be done. > What does it do to the political structure (and rhetoric) of Hell if it's > shown that Imps can fledge directly into angels? OK, for starters there are "Angels" who say they fledged from Imps, they are called Habalites. :) Actually, "The game show" is defiantely what it is, but in a different way. Its a "show" for "the Game". Remember, Kobal considers Asmodeus to be an enemy. If Asmodeus believes he saw an imp fledge as an angel he would absolutely go ape*. It would require him to keep watch on every imp that is within a couple of forces of fledging and that would probably increase the number of entities he has to watch by 5 or 10 fold. The Game would have to spread itself much thinner, leading to increased redemptions. Not sure on Dominic's reaction, but Novalis would certainly like it... Kobal needs 3 things to do this. (I think) 1) An AA willing to try a secret redemption. Eli, Novalis, Janus and even Jean are possiblities here. Janus might do it even if he knew the entire plan. (Change in the political structure of Hell might just do some good) 2) An imp. Shouldn't be too hard. The Imp is given a choice, try to redeem or Kobal recycles him... Kobal should also be able to put on discords (like selfless) that would make the imp more likely to succeed. 3) Some way for the AA to redeem the imp. I'm not sure what would be needed for this, but Kobal is one of the better maker of Artifacts in Hell, not as good as Vapula, but given that this is something that doesn't not involve firepower, he's probably better at it than most... Even if Asmodeus figures it out in 30 or 40 years, its mot like he can hate Kobal much more (yes they could go to mutual enemies). And he when he *does* figure it out, he will have to decide which is worse, admitting he got fooled or appearing to continue to watch the imps.. Nybbas would probably have to be part of this, but the Princes of Shal-Mari get along pretty well. * Thought I guess his celestial form doesn't have ape parts. :) Randy Finder > > -EDG > > - -- Leadership, Friendship and Service - Alpha Phi Omega ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:09:12 -0500 From: EDG Subject: IN> The INC Hi, folks. Just wanted to let you know that the INC has been updated today. It's not as large an update as I've done in the past, and it's not nearly what I'd wanted to get done, but I think 42 is a good number for now. Moe's going to be at Evecon this weekend, so I'll have a free day on Saturday to do some more. Merry Christmas.* a very tired and lonely EDG * Even if you don't celebrate it. Frankly, I mean nothing but good wishes, think "Happy holidays" sounds kind of goofy, and don't feel like tracking down all of the miscellaneous holidays that exist so that nobody will feel slighted. Christmas is the one I "celebrate", so that's what I'm going with. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:15:37 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (The Game Show) At 03:05 PM 12/24/2002 -0400, Randy Finder wrote: >Actually, "The game show" is defiantely what it is, but in a different >way. Its a "show" for "the Game". Now I have this unholy image of Asmodeus as Brak. I think I'm going to go home now. - -EDG (ObIN: Tribal Mask (Reverse Talisman) The Tribal Mask grants Charisma +2, regardless of level. However, it subtracts (artifact level/2, round up) from both Intelligence and Savoir-Faire... and the user has to make a successful Will roll, with a CD greater than or equal to the artifact's level, to take it off. There are, of course, variants. Loki himself is rumored to have made (or to be trapped in) a famous variant. Total Cost: None. A Tribal Mask cannot be bought; it must be found as part of an adventure.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:14:19 -0500 From: Michael Bruner Subject: Re: IN> What Choir Are You? (Like you haven't taken enough of these things yet) At 11:28 AM 12/24/2002 -0400, you wrote: >On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Michael Bruner wrote: > > > added Forces have to come from SOMEWHERE! Kobal would of course like to > get > > an Imp on the show to say an Angelic choir... and suddenly Redeem to said > > Choir... :) >Very short punchline though... Lets see, you've got a 9 force angel (don't >remember what happens if a 7 or 8 force demon redeems, so lets assume 9) >sitting in the middle of Shal-Mari in a Nybbassian TV studio within view >of the DP who added the forces in the first place.... Which is pretty much the point from Kobal's perspective; he doesn't want the thing actually ESCAPING to Heaven, after all (or maybe he does, depending on how much he wants to torment the hapless servitors he assigns to this ("I leave it to you how the escape from the studio is arranged...")). And who says the fallout will leave a short punchline? Kobal might take a certain pleasure in Nybbas's discomfort when the Game shows up to ask just HOW his show created an angel (and possibly the Prince who originally created the imp might have some troubles). Not sure how you could actually manage the Redemption on demand trick though; my only theory is arranging for an imp with appropriate sympathies to Heaven to show up on the show and secretly replacing the Forces Nybbas ordinarily uses with some stolen from an angel ("Let's see if he notices!"). Or arrange for Gabriel to show up on one of her tours of Hell, as suggested by the cover of Superiors 3. As for the 7-8 Force thing, I can see the contestants being endowed with 9 Forces (it's definitely a reward for participating for the winners, and it's just more Forces to throw back on the pile if they lose) as the work-around there. This is all a little bit kick-the-canon obviously, but hey, it's just an idea. Might even be more amusing if Nybbas is in on the deal (imagine the ratings of a real angel being slaughtered on the show!), with the possibility of Kobal arranging an escape to double-cross Nybbas for the additional level of complexity to make a good joke out of things. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 13:06:42 -0800 (PST) From: rob scwalen Subject: IN> punishment by an immediate fall If a serfitor of Gabriel assigned to punish a human such as Dahmer, leaves his post to pusue a demon out of a selfish need for revenge. Would his punishment for allowing his selfishness to compromise his mission,by abandoning his post to punish dahmer to pursue vengence, and thus allowing Dahmer to kill agaian. Would he be punished by an immediate fall. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 05:08:40 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> The INC Merry Christmas to you too. I'm sorry to hear you are lonely and hope this will soon no longer be the case. Tired can be fixed by sleeping late. :) (I say "Merry Christmas" to everyone, and if they start giving me grief about it I start humming the "Grinch" theme.) Janet Anderson ( ... "Mr. Gri ....INCH!") ************************************************* Seraph: What do we want to do if he turns out to be an infernal? Malakite: I'm kinda hoping we don't find that out definitively. Leaving a long string of bodies behind us isn't a really good idea. - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 05:35:46 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> The Grinch The Grinch (Ethereal) This was one of the ideas that got past Nybbas and he's still kicking himself. With lots of help from Haagenti and Mammon, both of whom have handsome prices on the head of this ethereal. He gets through even to people who are too jaded or bored for Dickens' *Christmas Carol*. Fortunately, he has lots of friends in high places who will lend him refuge (Blandine), protection (Novalis, Christopher, David, Laurence -- all of them like *something* about him, and he may be one of the few things they can agree about). Rumors that some Tethers have been known to allow him to hide on the Corporeal Plane if he really needs it are just that -- rumors -- just one more thing for Dominic to investigate in his copious spare time. Really. Merry Christmas, Janet Anderson ************************************************* Seraph: What do we want to do if he turns out to be an infernal? Malakite: I'm kinda hoping we don't find that out definitively. Leaving a long string of bodies behind us isn't a really good idea. - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:41:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher Anthony" Subject: Re: IN> punishment by an immediate fall rob scwalen said: > Would he be punished by an immediate fall. Nope. The worst punishment a Superior can deliberately, unilaterally inflict is Outcasting. Even an Archangel who just sat there and poured dissonance onto an angel might just end up with a massively Discordant angel. (This, naturally, would draw Gabriel's attention anyway - and if it were Gabriel herself doing it, this would almost certainly be seen as a sign of true insanity, and Gabriel would possibly either be captured - absolutely the more preferable of the two options - or killed outright - an absolutely, positively last resort.) Given the situation you suggest, the angel might not even merit dissonance; the target must be punished within (angel's Celestial Forces) days, not immediately, and if the angel returns after either giving up on or smiting the demon and inflicts the necessary punishment on Dahmer, no dissonance is incurred. Even if he doesn't, dissonance is only incurred once (IIRC) - and I truly, sincerely doubt that Gabriel would Outcast someone for leaving behind a cruel human in order to track and destroy a demon. - -EDG mm, addiction. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:48:41 -0500 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> punishment by an immediate fall >If a serfitor of Gabriel assigned to punish a human >such as Dahmer, leaves his post to pusue a demon out >of a selfish need for revenge. Would his punishment >for allowing his selfishness to compromise his >mission,by abandoning his post to punish dahmer to >pursue vengence, and thus allowing Dahmer to kill >agaian. Would he be punished by an immediate fall. [attempts to parse this] ...if a Gabrielite goes after someone other than their currently assigned target, letting that primary target commit further acts of cruelty, what would happen to the Gabrielite? Absolutely nothing if they get to the primary target within the time limit; a note of dissonance if they don't. Depending on the reasoning for attacking the secondary target, however, any /number/ of things could happen. - if it's purely selfish and the demon isn't even Cruel, the angel will /definitely/ be punished by /someone/ - Gabriel, Judgement... - if it's purely revenge-based /but/ it's a one-shot chance at a demon who deserves it, the angel will definitely be reprimanded for abandoning the primary target, but also praised for eliminating a source of cruelty. - if the human is /vastly/ crueler than the demon, the angel will be reprimanded and quite probably punished for abandoning the human target, though eliminating the demon would mitigate the response somewhat. - if the angel has the sense to call in help for one of the targets - i.e., calling another Gabrielite to deal with the human or the demon while the angel himself goes after the remaining person - it's a Good Thing. Basically, depends on the circumstances. I /highly/ doubt something like that would make the angel instantly Fall, however, even if the angel's a /Mercurian/ - eliminating demons often takes priority over eliminating humans, and besides, /no/ Archangel wants their Servitors to Fall for /one/ mistake. (That's why forced-Falling takes multiple notes of dissonance, usually, and has Outcasting first - it gives the angel a chance to repent.) The angel would be better off calling in help for one of the targets or making /sure/ one's 'safe', though...and if nothing else, he had /better/ get rid of any dissonance he gets for ignoring the primary target too long ASAP. ~S.D. Ryukage ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 21:14:01 -0500 From: Rolland Therrien Subject: IN> Nothing for Christmas? I don't think so... I can't believe no-one has done anything appropriatly themed for the Holidays... Well, this is a bit of a rushed job, but here goes: The Miracle Run. Christmas is a Time for Miracles... That's something that's well known on Earth, in those parts of the world that celebrate the Holiday. And it's often thought by those Christians who consider it, that the Christian Angels of Heaven put a whole lot of work into each and every one of those Miracles. What few people realize, is that the angels performing Miracles during this time don't do it on orders from God, but do it by choice and with dedication, trying to strive to perfoming the best Christmas Miracle of all... ...because that's the point of the contest. Oh, didn't know about the contest? See, Some time during the middle ages, when Christmas became a popular holiday amongst the Christians, the Angels assigned to Europe began to "get into the spirt" of the Holiday, and started performing minor deeds of Christian charity for the people on Christmas. At first, they did it purely out of charity, but eventually a sense of One-upmanship started to pop up, with angels actually bragging to one another about how much good they did for the people on Christmas. It became a sort of infomal "contest", with nothing on the line save reputation. And then someone started using songs to perform an actual Miracle on Christmas. Needless to say, that Angel was considered the Contest winner that year. The following year, it seemed nearly every angel decided to cast Songs to win the contest, creating the Noisiest Christmas that year, Disturbance-wise. Unfortunetly, more then a few demons took advantage of the noist and created quite a bit of chaos, hiding their actions in plain sight thanks to the Disturbance. Obviously, some form of control had to be imposed over this contest. But Laurence was vehemently opposed to stopping it altogether, for obvious reasons. Instead, he had Dominic and Yves sit down and right up a set of rules to regulate all future contests... Thereby formalizing it into the Christmas Miracle Contest. The rules are simple: First of all, applicants must come to the Seraphim Council and fill in a form detailing the nature of the miracle they wish to perform on Christmas. These now come in categories ranging from small acts of charity (Relievers tend to focus on these, and have their own seperate competition) from major miracles like creating a snowfall over Miami, Florida, right through the Christmas Carol routine (After the first imitators did a team routine following the book's publication, it's become frequent enough to merit it's own category. The variety of Christmas Miracles is wide enough to cover anything imaginable, so GMs and Players are free to invent their own Christmas Miracles, tailored to fit into the campaign. Staples include teaching someone the true spirit of Christmas, giving someone comfort on Christmas Eve, or saving a family or town's Christmas from being ruined. Following the rise of Haagenti and Nybbas, making people scorn the over-commercialisation of Christmas has become a very popular option. Oh, as for the modern stakes of the contest? Merely the respect that comes with performing the best Christmas Miracle of a year, and the adulation that comes from your fellow angel for that year. What, you were expecting a medal? This is still intended as Christian charity, you know. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 21:24:59 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Very strange divination techniques (CP to Pyramid) At 9:27 AM -0800 12/24/02, Maurice Lane wrote: >--- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >>Clearly, you must write a short adventure or adventure seed for this! > >It's a thought. Shoulda made this an article. WHEN >will I learn? Hee hee hee. Well, if you add in an adventure seed, perhaps... O:> >> Do you get a bonus if you have a computer program [...]? > >Far be it from me to make the LE roll at a minus. Considering how many GURPS books I have access to, it would just add more plusses. >Thank you. Thankyouvurrymuch. Ya welcome. have some Essence. - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 00:06:28 -0800 From: Harukami Subject: IN> Christmas IN fiction ^^ Hey. Someone protested lack of Christmas-themed IN stuff, so I decided to throw this off before bed. It's brief, it's unedited, and I fear it's horribly, unrequitedly sappy, but hey. ^_~ Merry Christmas (or holiday of choice, indeed), everyone! Harukami *** What Do You Get a Kyriotate For Christmas? - by Harukami It was nearing dawn essence, and Tellhus, Mercurian of Trade in service to Lightning, hadn't finished his Christmas shopping. This was, to him, a little unsettling; oh, he'd picked up some stuff for his friends (A gift certificate to Coffee Central for Ellone in research and testing; some doodads for the three Creationers in ideas and development; a pair of earrings for Yvonne, testing's token Bright), and had even managed to find a little gift for Marc, which he'd leave at the Tower when he got around to it. What he didn't have was a gift for his girlfriend. He wandered through Commerce Park, through the bustle of last minute buying and selling - sure, not everyone followed a religion, but most people were willing to accept this time of year as an excuse to give presents to the people they loved. A booth, selling little dolls, had a Kyriotate Trader manning it that he vaguely remembered having a tent near his. He stopped and leaned over. "Bet'geral...?" "Mmmm...Tellhus, isn't it?" "Yeah..." He paused, then grinned, wryly. "Okay, I need advice." Bet'geral chuckled. "Sure. No cost." "What does one get a Kyriotate for Christmas?" Bet'geral's body spinned in amusement for a moment before settling again. "Depends on the Kyriotate?" "Seriously." He threw his hands up. "Jewelry and clothing's out, most belongings stay in her office when she goes out - the only things I see her with regularly is coffee, and she's already *got* a million mugs." "Difficult," Bet'geral agreed. "Can I suggest getting her something to do instead of a material possession?" "Like? I swear, she's played every game known to God, and..." He trailed off and sighed. "Sorry to bother you. Thanks." Bet'geral spread a few hands. "Good luck." Tellhus nodded, gave him a smile, and trudged on. The trouble was, he decided, that she was always busy. She spent so much time doing data entry and playing games, that the only time he ever saw her *not* doing work was when she was taking a break and chatting in the lounge, or when they were spending private time. He was just as guilty, he knew - it was easy to work, and easy to work a *lot*; Lightning was good for that, but sometimes, one just had to get out and do stuff. When was the last time he and Mahi had just gone out somewhere? he asked himself. He couldn't remember, and that gave him pause; he stopped, crowd moving around him, as he thought back over it. They spent all their time in the Lounge or in his or her office. They hadn't gone *out* anywhere since... well, since shortly after he started doing work for Lightning. After a long moment, he headed back out of Commerce Park. *** Mahiirah was at what Tell referred to as her WorkStation when he peered into her office - a giant console, keyboards and screens all around her as she typed, imputting data on five keyboards at once while sipping coffee. She clearly heard the door, several eyes forming on the side facing him, and another hand emerged to give him a wave as he trudged over. He looked at her, shining and blue and utterly absorbed in her work, and smiled, waiting for her to find a good point to break. Minutes passed before she triumphantly announced, "There!", compiling her work, several eyes and mouth swivelling to face him. She was smiling brightly. "Hey," he said. "Merry Christmas." "Um," she said. Eyes widened and she flushed a dark violet, body losing its shape. "Oh! I forgot!" He grinned, pointing to his Santa hat. "Yeah." She giggled, emerging from her WorkStation to go rummage in her desk, pulling out a box and floating back over to him with it. "Um, Merry Christmas, then. I'm glad I got this beforehand..." Tellhus took it and, at her prompting, unwrapped it to pull out a book of 14th century angel prints. He blinked, then grinned - he collected them. "You know me too well." "Never too well." His smile gentled. "True." He paused, then said, "Mahi... I almost didn't get you anything." "Oh, that's okay," she said, giggling. "I wasn't *expecting*-" "But then-!" he said, holding up a hand and winking at her. She quieted. "But then I got this." He dug an envelope out of his labcoat pocket. Mahiirah hmmed, opening it carefully, pulling out what was inside. She looked it over, all eyes wide, and he mentally checked off each thing as she pulled it out - tickets to an opera being held at the Halls of Creation to celebrate the new year, a note of the time of a poetry reading at the Library... plays, performances, all sort of events, scattered throughout the upcoming months. He watched her carefully and saw her spin, surprised, parts appearing and disappearing, colour shading from her normal blue into the dark violet of a blush, and her form resettled, eyes gentling, lips curving up. It was the right gift, he knew, and, unable to keep from smiling even if he'd *wanted* to, said, "I love you." "I love you too," she said, and the next thing he knew, he had an armful of Kyriotate. He hardly protested. That was the real gift, after all, so he held her close, burying his smile against her as he murmured, again, "Merry Christmas." ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2913 ********************************