in_nomine-digest Saturday, December 28 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2916 In this digest: Re: IN> Demon of Macs IN> Fwd: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from ["Shadur t'Kharn" ] Re: IN> Demon of Macs Re: IN> Demon of Macs IN> User Friendly Re: IN> Demon of Macs Re: IN> Demon of Macs IN> Odd Narrative, but I kinda like it... IN> who is the man in the relationship? Re: IN> who is the man in the relationship? Re: IN> who is the man in the relationship? Re: IN> who is the man in the relationship? IN> A New Year's Story IN> question about the IN charcetor encyclopedia and why it is done Re: IN> question about the IN charcetor encyclopedia and why it is done IN> Evecon report ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:42:12 -0800 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: Re: IN> Demon of Macs On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:26:23 -0500 BC Petery said unto us: >>The Demon of Macs _has_ to be a servator of Nybbas. Who else has that "Give me convinence or give me death" attitude? Personally, I doubt that Macs are an Infernal creation in the first place. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:23:33 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Fwd: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from ["Shadur t'Kharn" ] (Remember -- put other addresses you post from on the posters-L! See www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/lists.html for how! --Beth, wading through all the spam that bounced from the list.) >From: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:44:56 -0600 >To: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from ["Shadur t'Kharn" ] >Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:43:15 +0100 >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN (was no subject) >From: "Shadur t'Kharn" > >In other news for Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 09:45:29AM -0800, Jennifer Shih has been seen typing: > >> Could you please include "IN" somewhere in the subject >> line of your posts, Rob? Doing so makes it easier for >> me to separate the In Nomine list traffic from my >> personal correspondence. > >It's even easier to filter your mail on To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com; >I believe that by now most semidecent or better mail clients have the >ability to filter on any arbitrary header, and that one has a lower >likelihood of false positives. > >> Thanks, >> Jennifer > >-Shad. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:38:03 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Demon of Macs At 4:42 PM -0800 12/27/02, Cameron McCurry wrote: >On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:26:23 -0500 BC Petery said unto us: > >>>The Demon of Macs _has_ to be a servator of Nybbas. Who else has that "Give >me convinence or give me death" attitude? > >Personally, I doubt that Macs are an Infernal creation in the first place. All the more reason for Nybbas (or Vapula?) to seize upon the notion of _having_ a Demon of Macs? I mean, if they beat Heaven to the punch, they can have a Prince of Macs first, and not have to contend with an Archangel of Macs in the future.... *grin* - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:43:57 -0800 From: " Cameron McCurry" Subject: Re: IN> Demon of Macs >>I mean, if they beat Heaven to the punch, they can have a Prince of Macs first, and not have to contend with an Archangel of Macs in the future.... Point. Of course, Jean may already have one of his angels in place for that Word already. Or the Angel of Geeks may have something to say about the matter: http://home.earthlink.net/~cmccurry/bedeul.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:58:25 -0800 From: Daiv Subject: IN> User Friendly Every once in a while, a comic makes a comment worthy of attention to the list. Or so I would have your believe, because otherwise, this is OT. http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20021226 Happiness to all. -Daiv, Tech writer in search of a superior. - -- wireless network 802.11 transparent bamboo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:09:12 -0600 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Demon of Macs > > Demon of Macs, former Servitor of Secrets, IST Technology. > >No way, dude. > >AppleScript, the main scripting language, is even more like English than >Basic. ResEdit is virtually all cut and paste. And let's not forget the >iMac's slogan, "Just plug it in." > >The Demon of Macs _has_ to be a servator of Nybbas. Who else has that "Give >me convinence or give me death" attitude? Vapula, he who would enslave all the world with Artifice, even as it makes life so much easier, so that the Machine is worshipped, and not that which made it possible. It's not too far a reach to say that Vapula, as Nybbas' former Prince, gains no small sum of essence from the myriad new ways of incorporating the Media into Technology (and vice versa, for that matter)... Kamika-Z, who could really use a Tech Lilim, right now... _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_advancedjmf_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:13:13 -0600 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Demon of Macs >>The Demon of Macs _has_ to be a servator of Nybbas. Who else has that >> >>"Give me convinence or give me death" attitude? >Personally, I doubt that Macs are an Infernal creation in the first >place. Keep thinking that, buddy. The NC which was so obviously designed for the purposes mentioned in the Liber Reliquarum would be as simple to use as a TV, if not more so, and aimed at those who have difficulties working with anything as complex as two buttons. Think of all that Essence...and of course, with the Script Writer in Perdition being one of the 'new wave Old school' who remembers the Old Testament days, why not name the computer's 'face man' after one of his favorite pieces of work, the Testing of Job? Kamika-Z, pondering this and a happy bit of writeup... _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 05:30:24 +0000 From: "Michael Cleveland" Subject: IN> Odd Narrative, but I kinda like it... I remember the day were cast out clearly. There was this one particular Seraph who was singing to himself as we were slowly led out the Gates and down towards the corporeal plane. He was singing something new, that he was coming up with as he slithered along the ground towards the gates and he was so quiet that his voice trembled as he tried to make the notes leave his throat. In truth, I don't think they ever did. At least, not in a way that anyone else heard. But I hear the notes as they flowed from his soul upwards towards a God that he prayed would answer him. I think that's the reason I still can love Dominic after all this time. Even though I never heard the words that he was trying to speak to God that day, I know the meters, the tones, the inflections - all the things that made it what it was. And I'd like to think that it was a plea for help, or a prayer on our behalf. I know that he didn't want to give us this sentence, but Dominic is how he is - once he feels something has to be done, he's got to follow through on it. And that's good, because the moment he can decide that he's not going to pass what he feels is a 'Just' sentence on someone, even someone he cares about, is the moment that he stops being Divine Judgment and starts a path towards being something else. That's something that we should all remember - God's proven that he can overrule Dominic. The fact that he didn't says that he wants us down here on Earth. It's a punishment, but it's also where we belong. Where we're needed by God. The other angels do their jobs, and do them well, but what's needed is someone who can ferret out the Infernals in the holes where they hide. And that, my children, would be us. Keep in mind as well that this state we're in is not going to last forever. Those of us that lose faith in that and forget their responsibilities are doing more that risking their own souls by slipping into the Lightbringer's grasp. They're giving more ammunition to those in Heaven that would like to write us off as a lost cause. There are still those up there that are willing to help us, after all. Not many, and none of the Archangels are going to risk an Inquisition for 'helping outcasts' but it's something. Just remember - it's important not to laugh when you hear Dominican referred to as Heaven's Spymasters. It's technically true, for the moment. They stay in Heaven, processing the information we dig up for them, while wondering where the heck they got some of it. Let them wonder - the less they know themselves, the less they can reveal to Lucifer's minions. We'll continue in the path that God set down for us. Quiet. Discrete. Invisible, even to the eyes of God's own angels. As for myself... I don't think that even Dominic understands how my Word interacts with the Symphony. He should, really - after all, any time someone does something unjust, he feels it in his soul. For him, it's an abstraction, since justice is an abstract concept. For me... it's a little different. My Word encompasses not just a concept, but an action and a process. It leads to many people falling momentarily within the confines of my Word, and for that moment... Want to know where Eli is? About 5 hours ago he was singing a bit of Eric Clapton over in Bath. Valefor is in Paris - I can feel the Symphony warping as he's pulling the wool over someone's eyes with a Song of Charm. I'm not sure what that song is that Jean's working on, but it's got a slow and steady rhythm that has a few odd sharps to it. I'm thinking it's a variant of the Songs of Lightning, but I'd have to listen more closely to be sure. Vapula... well, I can't say I like some of the ways he changes Hymns, but it fits him, in its own way. In its own way, every song is beautiful, and God has blessed me in his own way for giving me the opportunity to hear them all. Songs can be ways of cursing the Lord, but they can also be wonderful ways of letting one's joy show to the world. I wish that I would hear Dominic sing more often, though. I miss it. Michael Cleveland Gulf Coast Geotech _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_virusprotection_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:11:37 -0800 (PST) From: rob scwalen Subject: IN> who is the man in the relationship? I have a question about the relationship between blandine and beleth had before the fall. Considering angels have no gender when on the celestial plane, which of the two in the relationship would have been considered the masculine side or would they have been considered a lesbian couple even in heaven? I would also like to know if there are other former lovers with a partner on oppisate sides of the war? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:15:08 -0600 From: Andrew Hackard Subject: Re: IN> who is the man in the relationship? At 11:11 AM 12/28/02 -0800, rob scwalen wrote: > I have a question about the relationship between >blandine and beleth had before the fall. Considering >angels have no gender when on the celestial plane, Stop right there. You just answered your own question. Without gender, there are no gender roles to fill, so to speak of a hetero- or homosexual relationship is meaningless. - -- Life is an aimless drive that you take alone | Might as well enjoy the ride -- take the long way home. | - -- The Bloodhound Gang, "Take The Long Way Home" | hackard@io.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:33:14 -0800 From: Harukami Subject: Re: IN> who is the man in the relationship? >> I have a question about the relationship between >>blandine and beleth had before the fall. Considering >>angels have no gender when on the celestial plane, > >Stop right there. You just answered your own question. Without gender, >there are no gender roles to fill, so to speak of a hetero- or >homosexual relationship is meaningless. Precisely. Whatever gender they happened to wear at the time, they have no *literal* gender identity, though both *choose* to manifest female most of the time. (They also have animal forms as their more natural ones, mind, and those forms are also lacking a solid gender *identity*). I was delighted at seeing the books never define their relationship as *just* a lesbian relationship, as to do so, though supporting the freedom of someone to love in their own sex, it would be *wrong* for angels. It would shift the focus from what it is: two angels - two *Cherubim*, manifestations of love and devotion - deeply in love. This is a concept of love, not gender. (Something I personally think should be more prevalient in *human* culture - - clasifications as hetero, homo, or bisexual are 'useful', but the connotations people have taken with the denotative label have lead to violence (on both sides of the issues) and segregation, and a heck of a lot of depressed/unhappy/angry people. But that is blatantly off topic) There are two articles on the INC that deal with this well, I believe: http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/celestial.sexuality.html (by Moriah) http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/Tips/homosexuality.html (by our own dear Beth McCoy) Harukami - ---- "Then again... we depended on Elly today, and we got locked in a room with Maria to be interrogated by Judgment Malakim." "Oh, like she coulda seen that coming." http://haru_in.tripod.com/ Haru's IN page: Game logs, art, and fiction. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:29:40 -0800 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> who is the man in the relationship? rob scwalen wrote: > > I have a question about the relationship between > blandine and beleth had before the fall. Considering > angels have no gender when on the celestial plane, > which of the two in the relationship would have been > considered the masculine side or would they have been > considered a lesbian couple even in heaven? ...huh? The two parts of the question seem to be in direct opposition. Considering angels have no true gender, obviously neither was a "masculine" or "feminine" side. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:7:20 -0500 From: "Cameron McCurry" Subject: IN> A New Year's Story Yes, it's a bit early, but I won't have a chance to post this on New Year's Eve and it's too big for a list submission: http://home.earthlink.net/~cmccurry/newyear.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:26:15 -0800 (PST) From: rob scwalen Subject: IN> question about the IN charcetor encyclopedia and why it is done I have been trying to think of possible words and the angels and demons bound to them for my campaign set in Appleton,WI. I thought about going to the encyclopedia for help but it is down and i cant get to it so i was wondering when it would be back up. i would also like to know if there is a list of possible words to use for the word-bound thanks __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:41:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher Anthony" Subject: Re: IN> question about the IN charcetor encyclopedia and why it is done rob scwalen said: > I thought about going to the > encyclopedia for help but it is down and i cant get to > it so i was wondering when it would be back up. Please believe me when I say that I would like very, very much to know the answer to the same question. > i > would also like to know if there is a list of possible > words to use for the word-bound thanks Anything you can think of. Dirty Socks might be a good minor Word for a demon, or One Soiled (I'm not even sure what Prince he'd serve, but he represents the disgust you feel at discovering something icky and nasty that you really, really didn't want to deal with; watch The Blues Brothers - the original movie - and look for Frank Oz near the beginning, as Jake's being released from prison). Angels will not tend to have those sorts of Words, naturally. Words can quite literally be anything that has a root in human consciousness; there are demons with such words as Stale Bong Water or Spam, and angels with such words as Teenage Suicide. (All three of them, by the by, exist in canon.) And now I have ramen to rescue. Up, up, and to the stove! - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:48:49 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Evecon report ...I just ran an IN game. Aside from my girlfriend and one other, none of the other four had ever played IN before. This was also my first ever GMing a convention game. The game ended with six Superiors being summoned over a six-pack of Diet Coke. Michael, Laurence, Novalis, Valefor, Haagenti and Belial. Granted, the six pack was the MacGuffin, but six? SIX? Oh, yeah, there were also mimes. (pause) I am, like, SO exhausted right now... Moe PS There's gonna be a game at Arisia, right? Right? ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/18/02 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2916 ********************************