in_nomine-digest Wednesday, January 1 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2919 In this digest: Re: IN> If there's a way to make this new demon's life any more miserable... Re: IN> Evecon report Re: IN> If there's a way to make this new demon's life any more miserable... Re: IN> A New Year's Story IN> Demon of Macs Re: IN> Evecon report Re: IN> Evecon report Re: IN> Demon of Macs IN> Jordi: Commander of the Host. Re: IN> Evecon report IN> question about superior names on each side IN> question of superiors names on each side Re: IN> question of superiors names on each side Re: IN> question of superiors names on each side Re: IN> Demon of Macs IN> DO NOT ask for a Word when Lucifer's having a bad day... Re: IN> Demon of Macs Re: IN> question about superior names on each side Re: IN> question about superior names on each side Re: IN> Demon of Macs Re: IN> Evecon report Re: IN> question of superiors names on each side Re: IN> Demon of Macs Re: IN> Demon of Macs (Speaking of Unix Re: IN> Jordi: Commander of the Host. Re: IN> who is the man in the relationship? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 00:05:02 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> If there's a way to make this new demon's life any more miserable... At 7:08 PM -0800 12/30/02, Maurice Lane wrote: >...it's not for lack of trying on my part. Niiiiiiiiice. - --Beth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:38:29 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Evecon report - --- Walter Milliken wrote: > But > who's going to GM...? Draw straws and loser GMs?* Moe *I'm assuming, of course, that everyone who shows up will prefer playing to GMing. Indeed, if, say, Beth runs a game, I have -just- the PC that must see the light of day... I mean, I have an idea or two. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 09/18/02 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 23:38:37 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> If there's a way to make this new demon's life any more miserable... You can make Dubbiel's life more miserable quite easily. Have the Angel of the Homeless come looking for him. 0;> =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

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"There's nothing I can do -- he's _bread_, Jim." __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 23:57:40 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> A New Year's Story Whoa. This is really good. [hands over Essence] =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Bones! You've got to save Ensign Pillsburry!."

"There's nothing I can do -- he's _bread_, Jim." __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 07:00:17 -0500 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Demon of Macs > All the more reason for Nybbas (or Vapula?) to seize upon the notion of > _having_ a Demon of Macs? I suppose Haagenti was concerned until he was informed that it was "a computer thing" rather than McDonalds. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:38:15 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Evecon report *sniff* I can't go to Arisia. (It's always too close to Christmas when I don't have any money.) Why don't any of you guys come down (or up in Moe's case) and run at LunaCon? Janet Anderson ************************************************* Seraph: What do we want to do if he turns out to be an infernal? Malakite: I'm kinda hoping we don't find that out definitively. Leaving a long string of bodies behind us isn't a really good idea. - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:42:24 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Evecon report From: "Janet Anderson" > > Why don't any of you guys come down (or up in Moe's case) > and run at LunaCon? In my case, at least, it's because I never heard of it before. ;p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:44:26 -0500 From: Robb Kidd Subject: Re: IN> Demon of Macs >All the more reason for Nybbas (or Vapula?) to seize upon the notion of >_having_ a Demon of Macs? [Shot opens, white background, foreground: young female with several piercings, tattoos and other body mutilations. A cute, but plodding tune plays in the background.] "Things aren't quite the same as they used to be." [Zoom. Close up, right portion of face.] "The Name doesn't speak to me much anymore, ..." [Pan out. Female looks abashed and shuffles her feet.] "... but I figure that must be because of all that time I was spending in front of a Windows PC." [Zoom. Head and shoulders shot. Female looks into camera with plaintive expression.] "Windows is everywhere down here! My co-workers are demons and they love that damn OS. That should tell you something." [Pan out. Female looks relieved.] "But my boss, he lets me use a slightly modified Powerbook with OS 10." [Cross fade to logo and URL] Voice over: "And I can still break into my co-worker's computers!" [Cross fade back to female.] "My name is Woziel and I'm an Elohite of Technology." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:17:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Randy Finder Subject: IN> Jordi: Commander of the Host. HELP WANTED! Not as strange as it may seem, perhaps... I was considering what would have happened if St. Francis of Assisi was born 500 years earlier... He was actually born in 1181 and died in 1226. If he was born in 681 and died in 726 there might be some interesting effects on history in IN. Jordi might take considerable interest in the life of St. Francis and once in Heaven, St. Francis might seek out Jordi to serve. In our timeline, St. Francis of Assisi traveled to Damietta, Egypt to try ot find a non-violent soltuion to the conflict between Christians and Muslims, so he might do this as well with the much younger Muslim Faith. If Jordi sees that as an example, he may have much better relations with two angels who he traditionally hasn't gotten along with, Gabriel and Khalid. St. Francis was born to Merchants and while he turned away from that life toward service to the poor, I can't find any place that he spoke against the concept of trade... Jordi might find common ground with Marc. St. Francis is the Patron saint of Merchants... If Jordi at the time of the Trial of Uriel, has found common ground with Gabriel, Khalid and Marc and has a place in the Catholic Church with the Franciscans, he may be viewed as more qualified than the Angel of the Sword... Jordi: Archangel of Animals, Commander of the Host The World is full of praise of God - carapace, scale, fur and skin. (Note in all below any menion of the word animals *includes* human) The selection of Jordi as Commander of the Host is viewed as the ultimate expression of disapproval for the activities of Uriel and the Purity Crusade. Multiplious where Uriel was singular, open minded where Uriel was closed minded, and able to reach out to those who Uriel and his servitors had butchered... Dissonance: The changes of the previous century and his ascension to Commander have forced Jordi to change his Dissonance Conditions. Since Humans are also part of his responsiblities, the rules of human society may also be follow at the appropriate times. Instead it is dissonant for the actions of an angel of Jordi to cause mistrust among creatures. Seeing an wolf with Nominous Corpus Acid would concern those who don't know about the war, but an elephant flying would not for anyone who has seen and appreciated the movie Dumbo. Organization: The angels of Jordi are much more into the celestial mix than they were before, but with a Kyriotate Archangel, only a certain degree of organization can really be expected. Choir Attunements: Jordi has looked at his old attunements and decided that they needed to be augmented. The following are in addition to his previous attunements. Seraphim: Attuned to the truth of the actions of animals, a Seraph of Animals will know if the actions of animal are different because of a resonance or expenditure of essence by a celestial or etherial within the last week. CD determines level of knowledge. (At CD level 6, the resonance on a rabbit would determine that it is acting skittish because of a forest fire started by a servitor of Belial who used an essence powered flamethrower and where the servitor started it.) Cherubim: Cherubim of Animals are attuned to both an animal and all those who the animal would defend even at great risk to themselves. Attuning themselves to a worker bee would attune themselves to the queen as well, attuning themselves to a member of a wolf pack would attune to the entire pack, attunements to a person would include both family they would defend as well as pets with strong attachments and conversely pets to family. Ofanim: Jordi liked Novalis's Ofanite of Flowers attunement so much he took it, replacing Plant with Animal. Elohite: The Elohite knows how a creature feels about every creature that it has significantly interacted with in the last day. Malakite: Malakites receive +2 to any attack against those who have killed or injured an animal for evil purpose in the sight of the Malakite. Kyriotate: Identical to the previous attunement except that one human may be possessed. These forces do not double (So a nine force kyrio could possess one five force human and 8 forces of animals.) While Humans are animals, their specialness does not allow for the doubling... Mercurian: Know relationship between a person and all of the animals he associates with (add the non human animals to the standard mercurian resonance) Servitor Attunements and Distinctions have not been extended to Humans. relations: Allied: Novalis Associated: Marc,Blandine,Yves,Gabriel,Eli,Michael,David Neutral:Khalid, Janus, Dominic Hostile:Jean, Laurence, Enemy: None Still working on quotes... Randy - -- Leadership, Friendship and Service - Alpha Phi Omega ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:29:05 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Evecon report At 10:38 PM -0800 12/30/02, Maurice Lane wrote: >--- Walter Milliken wrote: >> But >> who's going to GM...? > >Draw straws and loser GMs?* Heh. Nah. Runner-up GMs. Loser babysits. O:/ >*I'm assuming, of course, that everyone who shows up >will prefer playing to GMing. Indeed, if, say, Beth >runs a game, I have -just- the PC that must see the >light of day... I mean, I have an idea or two. :) *snrk* If I run a game, I'm gonna have _pregens_, probably. Hm. I might run a demon-game, come to think of it. Expand one of the seeds in a Superiors book... - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:44:52 -0800 (PST) From: rob scwalen Subject: IN> question about superior names on each side __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:45:57 -0800 (PST) From: rob scwalen Subject: IN> question of superiors names on each side Why is it that heavens superiors have names that are commonly used on earth and hell does not? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:54:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Randy Finder Subject: Re: IN> question of superiors names on each side On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, rob scwalen wrote: > Why is it that heavens superiors have names that are > commonly used on earth and hell does not? mostly becuase the names of the angels are used as names for children and demons are not. You can find most of the names used for the demon princes in various demonology works online, even if their areas of responsibilities are significantly different than in the demonology works. http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/mythology/demon_list.asp is a good place to start. Randy > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > - -- Leadership, Friendship and Service - Alpha Phi Omega ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:09:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Shih Subject: Re: IN> question of superiors names on each side - --- rob scwalen wrote: > Why is it that heavens superiors have names that > are > commonly used on earth and hell does not? Relatively few parents think of "Saminga" as a name with connotations that they would wish on their child. - -Jennifer (okay, maybe I'd name a kid after Vapula.) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:02:26 -0600 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Demon of Macs >"My name is Woziel and I'm an Elohite of Technology." And there you have it! Proof of an infernal device. Kamika-Z ...and of course, Vapula, Genius 'Archangel', is behind it. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:12:14 -0800 From: "Joey's mail" Subject: IN> DO NOT ask for a Word when Lucifer's having a bad day... Kenak, Djinn of Gluttony Demon of Annoying Straw Sounds Forces: Corporeal 4, Strength 12 Agility 4 Ethereal 2, Intelligence 4 Precision 4 Celestial 4, Will 10 Perception 6 Skills: Fighting/2, Dodge/4, Diving/5, Knowledge (Sodas)/5, Tracking/3 Songs: Charm (Corporeal/4, Celestial/5) Entropy (Ethereal/6) Healing (Corporeal/2) Tongue/4, Attunements: Djinn of Gluttony, Djinn of Factions, Consume, Devour, Demon of Annoying Straw Sounds Special rites: Drink every last drop of soda with a straw in a public place, making as much noise as possible. As above, but until all the ice melts, which he must drink as well. (+2) Demon of Annoying Straw Sounds: Kenak can drink a beverage with a straw, making a VERY annoying sound...for one essence, the noise will have the effect of Malphas's Imbrolgio Attunement for as long as he continues making the noise. Kenak was certain he would be granted the Word of Soda; he had been a faithful servitor of Haagenti for close to a century, causing many a caffine/sugar high, as well as innapropriate belching. At that time, he was a Captain of Cannibals, and respected among his fellow demons. Then, when he finally managed to petition Lucifer for his word...well, let's just say the Morning Star was having a bad day, and he gave Kenak the word of Annoying Straw Sounds. Kenak was not pleased. Kenak's found himself a lot less potent since then. His word, while sufficently aggravated, is difficult to support; mostly he just sits around in resteraunts, annoying all the patrons with his beverages; he makes sure to take advantage of free refills as much as possible. However, Haagenti has not been very pleased with him, as having to sit next to a person making extremely annoying sounds with a straw discourages eating out, and thus hurts his word. Kenak has been stripped of his distinction, and several forces (not that he cares much, being a Djinn). Although his word is not very powerful, he isn't promoting it very well either...lately, it's come to a point where he doesn't really care. You'll probably find him in a resteraunt somewhere. Chances are, you'll know who he is. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:49:31 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Demon of Macs Gregg Forge said unto us: > And there you have it! Proof of an infernal device. Given the stability of Macs vs. PCs , I am more inclined to think of the latter as the Infernal device. However, there IS the matter of WebTv. I think that is far closer to what Nybbas was plotting. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:00:03 -0600 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> question about superior names on each side > > > >__________________________________________________ You know, I have no idea what to say to this. Ethereal Dischord - ". . ." This dischord causes the afflicted to experience 'gaps' in coherent thought processes. Usually, this isn't an utterly devestating dischord; one can write off forgetfulness based on circumstances. However, when one has it at severe levels, the resulting mistakes and odd leaps of logic that result lead to potentially dangerous behavious. 1. You periodically blank on people's names, but . 2. You periodically blank on peoples faces. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:04:29 -0600 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> question about superior names on each side > > > > As I was saying before I exibited that false dischord myself... Level 1. You forget names, but recognize faces and can still associate people with places and events. 2. Names and faces are forgotten; blind spots occur around what their significance might be. 3. As above, plus basic skills used less frequently will occasionally 'blank' on you, though you may not even recall having those skills. 4. As above, but semi-important skills may periodically slip from recollection; going to get into a car, for example, and not recalling how to start the ignitiion. 5. Oh yeah! Turn off stove BEFORE putting anything flammable on it. 6. Um...what were we talking about again? For some inexplicable reason, this dischord is common among Servitors of Gluttony. Kamika-Z, having flubbed it already. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:10:07 -0600 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Demon of Macs >Gregg Forge said unto us: > > > And there you have it! Proof of an infernal device. > >Given the stability of Macs vs. PCs , I am more inclined to think of the >latter as the Infernal device. Shall we ask the archBeth about some of her more spectacular crashes? Or we could talk with the Evil One of SJness about his Mac woes... Stability is most certainly not the first thing Macs bring to mind in my experience; heck, WORKING is not the first thing, but then, some have their theories. (eyes the List Admin) (^_^) Me, I'm content with my Slack. But that's me. > >However, there IS the matter of WebTv. I think that is far closer to >what Nybbas was plotting. WebTV, to this day, strikes me as what happens when Kobal pays close attention to what Nybbas and Vapula are doing, and decides to throw a wrench in the work. Kamika-Z, wondering if Amigas get an Ethereal... _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:49:54 -0500 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Evecon report At 22:38 +0800 12/31/2002, Janet Anderson wrote: >*sniff* I can't go to Arisia. (It's always too close to Christmas when I don't have any money.) Why don't any of you guys come down (or up in Moe's case) and run at LunaCon? Too long a drive, and too close to New York City. Right now, Elizabeth and I can really only handle cons that are within a hour or so driving distance. Also, we can only deal with so many cons a year -- usually two at most. Travel tends to be too unpleasant for us (and not just because of the Demon Princess of Cute) to want to do it more often. We used to do Gencon, and may go back to doing it in a few years. Right now, we mostly go to Arisia, sometimes to Boskone, and sometimes to a little con up in Plymouth, NH. Lunacon's *possible*, but so far it hasn't seemed quite attractive enough to be worth the hassle. - ---Walter - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ob InNomine: new Discord Rooted - ------ Celestials with this Discord gain dissonance if they travel too far from their "home" location, or stay away from it too long (these are different variants). It is most often seen in Tether Seneschals, but also affects others, most notably Cherubim, Djinn, and Servitors of Stone. It is, of course, *extremely* dangerous to Ofanim and Servitors of the Wind. The Discord's level determines how long the victim's "leash" is: 1 -- two days' travel away, or away for three days 2 -- one day's travel away, or away for a whole day 3 -- half a day's travel away, or away for eight hours 4 -- a hours' travel away, or away for 2 hours 5 -- 20 minutes' travel away, or away for 30 minutes 6 -- 5 minutes' travel away, or away for 10 minutes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:18:36 -0500 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> question of superiors names on each side >You can find most of the names used for the demon princes in various >demonology works online, even if their areas of responsibilities are >significantly different than in the demonology works. > >http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/mythology/demon_list.asp Not /too/ different, really, at least on this site... I mean, to take just a few examples, I can /easily/ see how they got the Word of the Media and the personalities in S2 from: "Nybbas is of the inferior order, high upper gallery of hell. He also manages visions & dreams. He is regarded as a buffoon and a charlatan." ...or the Words of Sailors/?The Oceans? for Vephar from: "He appears as a mermaid. He governs the waters, guides armed warships, and can cause stormy weather for sailors." ...and so on. ^^ ~S.D. Ryukage ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:11:42 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Demon of Macs At 4:10 PM -0600 12/31/02, Gregg Forge wrote: >>Gregg Forge said unto us: >> >> > And there you have it! Proof of an infernal device. >> >>Given the stability of Macs vs. PCs , I am more inclined to think of the >>latter as the Infernal device. > > Shall we ask the archBeth about some of her more spectacular crashes? Eh? What, you mean when Omniweb bombs out and I immediately restart it, and all is well? (mmm, mmmm, OS X!) I mean, I've bombed the old Mac a few times, but only when running programs that I knew were iffy. I like living dangerously and restarting apps that crashed. And with OS X, that's FINE! Muwhahahahahahahahaha! (Okay, okay, claim that's all unix goodies. I have nothing against Unix -- especially when it's got a nice Mac GUI over it.) I'm sure that it's nothing like Lightning OS 1.1.1, but it's just that little bit closer. *serene smile* > Or we could talk with the Evil One of SJness about his Mac woes... (Considering that he avoids PCs even more...?) >Kamika-Z, wondering if Amigas get an Ethereal... *snrk* - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 2002 20:39:17 -0500 From: Gerald W Sears Subject: Re: IN> Demon of Macs (Speaking of Unix Well there is obviosly one celestial involved in all of this computer stuff. Tux the cherubim angel of Linux and possably other unixies. Gerzel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:16:00 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Jordi: Commander of the Host. - --- Randy Finder wrote: > I was considering what would have happened if St. Francis > of Assisi was born 500 years earlier... He would've been born into an entirely different culture and thus would almost certainly have become a very different person -- possibly not one worthy of sainthood. The core thesis is interesting, though. > Instead it is dissonant for the actions of an angel of > Jordi to cause > mistrust among creatures. Seeing an wolf with Nominous > Corpus Acid would > concern those who don't know about the war, but an > elephant flying would > not for anyone who has seen and appreciated the movie > Dumbo. I dunno... I've seen and appreciated Dumbo, but seeing an elephant fly would seriously freak me out. This really needs a logic filter. I suggest instead something more like the following: "It is Dissonant for an angel of Animals to encourage animals (including humans) to act in ways that are unnatural for them. The GM must use some common sense here. Humans creating technology and playing the stock market is natural. A dog walking on two legs or a rabbit eating steak is not." "It is also dangerous for Jordi's angels to act against their own natures. When they violate their Choir Dissonance conditions they gain two notes of Dissonance instead of one." > Organization: The angels of Jordi are much more into the > celestial mix > than they were before, but with a Kyriotate Archangel, > only a certain > degree of organization can really be expected. I disagree. Kyriotates are multifaceted by nature, but that doesn't stop them from being anal retentive. Indeed, a certain amount of that is required if they're to experience the full range of viewpoints. A Kyriotate AA is better suited to micromanagement than Jean could ever hope to be. > Seraphim: > Attuned to the truth of the actions of animals, a Seraph > of Animals will > know if the actions of animal are different because of a > resonance or > expenditure of essence by a celestial or etherial within > the last week. This is rather good. > Cherubim: > Cherubim of Animals are attuned to both an animal and all > those who the > animal would defend even at great risk to themselves. I suggest that the angel only know those extra parties rather than gaining full Attunement to them. > Ofanim: > Jordi liked Novalis's Ofanite of Flowers attunement so > much he took it, replacing Plant with Animal. Again, a logic filter would help here. The web of animal life isn't as contiguous as that of plant life even when you factor in microbes. Now, something that traced an animal's place in the food chain, perhaps... > Elohite: > The Elohite knows how a creature feels about every > creature that it has > significantly interacted with in the last day. This is a major nightmare for the GM; the Mercurian Resonance Problem increased by at least an order of magnitude. > Malakite: > Malakites receive +2 to any attack against those who have > killed or > injured an animal for evil purpose in the sight of the > Malakite. This is OK. > Kyriotate: > Identical to the previous attunement except that one > human may be possessed. This is confusing. By previous Attunement do you mean Malakite of Animals above or the canonical Kyrio of Animals? > Mercurian: > Know relationship between a person and all of the animals > he associates > with (add the non human animals to the standard mercurian > resonance) Again, a nightmare for the GM; the Mercurian Resonance Problem, but only doubled this time. This is a logical choice, though. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Bones! You've got to save Ensign Pillsburry!."

"There's nothing I can do -- he's _bread_, Jim." __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 09:18:38 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> who is the man in the relationship? - --- Harukami wrote: > Whatever gender they happened to wear at the > time, they have no *literal* gender identity Possible exception: the Grigori. Having a literal gender identity may be the mechanism by which they are able to reproduce with humans without a Song of Fruition. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"War may sometimes be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary, it is always evil." -- Jimmy Carter

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