in_nomine-digest Monday, January 20 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2938 In this digest: Re: IN> [3 Souls] End of Days IN> The Place: Arisia. Re: IN> Re: Words in 3 Souls Re: IN> [fiction] more Photographs in Time Re: IN> Question about Stripping Forces IN> Question about Buying Forces Re: IN> The Place: Arisia. Re: IN> Question about Buying Forces Re: IN> Question about Buying Forces Re: IN> The Place: Arisia. RE: IN> question about the four horsemen of the apocalypse RE: IN> [3 Souls] End of Days IN> Lucifer in a female vessel? RE: IN> Lucifer in a female vessel? Re: IN> Question about Buying Forces Re: IN> The Place: Arisia. Re: IN> Lucifer in a female vessel? Re: IN> Question about Buying Forces Re: IN> Live from Arisia 2003... IN> Looking for info on an archangel Re: IN> Question about Buying Forces Re: IN> [fiction] more Photographs in Time Re: IN> Looking for info on an archangel Re: IN> Quotes! IN> Satans Son Re: IN> Satans Son Re: IN> Satans Son RE: IN> Satans Son Re:IN> Satans Son Re: IN> Satans Son Re: IN> Quotes! Re: IN> Looking for info on an archangel Re: IN> Looking for info on an archangel IN> Re : Horsemen of the Apocalypse Fwd: Re: IN> [fiction] more Photographs in Time from Genevieve Cogman Fwd: Re: IN> Everything you know is... wrong (Re: Lilith and Mercurians) from Genevieve Cogman IN> Fwd: The False Trump. From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" Fwd: Re: IN> My first post of the year! from Genevieve Cogman Re: IN> Quotes! Re: IN> Fwd: The False Trump. From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:29:15 -0500 (EST) From: Neel Krishnaswami Subject: Re: IN> [3 Souls] End of Days Michael Walton wrote: > > Geez, Neel, we certainly can't fault you for lack of ambition. I'd > be hesitant to run this just because of the potential to mess it up. My feeling is that high-epic games are actually a bit easier to run than slice-of-life games. I mean, fundamentally we're a bunch of gamers around a table rolling dice, and the game is most fun when there's a high level of emotional investment in what's going on. So you need to do two things: first, you need a premise that will really grab the players, and second, you need to put them smack dab in the center of the action. That's actually been the hardest thing about writing up 3 Souls; I'm trying to do prep for a character-centered game without knowing what the PCs are going to be. But on the plus side, if I can manage it, it can be useful for other GMs too. - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@alum.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 09:55:44 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: IN> The Place: Arisia. So, as has been otherwise reported, there was a confluence of minds and bodies at the convention called Arisia this past weekend. And, as might be gathered, there was a game of In Nomine while there. Present at this game were our beloved List Archangel, Beth, who ran the game, as is only proper. Alongside Beth was Walter, known to many on this list as 'Walter,' co-author of GURPS In Nomine and calm voice of reason in many a debate. He was actually in the game. In between the two -- and wandering around the room, and rolling dice, and poking into things and being helpful where she could and occasionally sleeping was Io-chan, Impudite Princess of Cute, who as always lived up to her name. Then came Moe -- Moe Lane, known to far and wide as the subject in the sentence "Moe blew my mind again!!!" And there was Prodigal, who rocks our world. In between Prodigal and myself was Gina, who's a friend of mine who didn't actually play, but added insightful commentary through excellent art we have been promised will end up online. And then there was I, and I was just, like, there, dude. Now, when I say there was a game of In Nomine, that's technically true. However, quite by accident it turned into In Nomine Anime. This particular game of In Nomine Anime -- in *part* -- contained the following: 4 Archangels. 3 Invocations. 1 Infernal Intervention. 1 Successful use of the Song of Entropy. 1 Unsuccessful use of the Song of Entropy. 2 Successful uses of Divine Logic against another party member, at least one about a miniskirted Nun's Habit. Eli. Three Cell Phone calls to separate Tethers. Dragons. Laurence being followed by cooing junior high school girls. Novalis being followed by drooling junior high school boys. 1 PC bursting into tears. Not one moment of actual violence perpetuated against anyone other than party members by other party members, and none of those ended up causing any hits of damage. In fact, not one moment of actual violence perpetuated against anyone other than *Moe's* character by Prodigal and myself, and none of those ended up causing any hits of damage. 2 Geases being called in by Demon Princes on Angelic party members. 1 13 year old Ethereal Priestess apparently beholden to PBS pledge drives. Clifford the Big Red Dog. Jodi. Moonshadow. Whatever the Swordie was called. 3 Bright Lilim. 1 Junior High School. This time... it's vapid. "Well, you know -- I *am* prettier than you are." "You are *not!*" "Tell Moe you have bigger boobs than she does." "Does that *work?*" "Trust me, dude." Media Room. Belief comes in Cel Shading. Coming in multiple writeups over the course of the week. - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 09:44:13 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: Words in 3 Souls At 9:09 PM -0500 1/16/03, Neel Krishnaswami wrote: >BC Petery wrote: >> Does one have to steal it from the group? Can the Word Mechanisim be >> used in part, making a dozen of Mini-Valefors? > >That's a great idea for an adventure! You could run an Ocean's 11 >style adventure in which a group of angels or demons decides to steal >a Prince's Word. :) But can they shout out a code phrase and all jump together to make up one _big_ Superior? *beth ducks and hides* . o O (The mental image just CAME to me! It's not my fault! It's leftover In Nomine Anime thinking from the Arisia game!) - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 09:57:03 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> [fiction] more Photographs in Time At 4:13 PM -0800 1/17/03, Harukami wrote: >The three I mentioned, plus two more I wrote today. ^^ > >But this time, linkage, as I forgot that some people are on digest and thus >might see the swearing and all despite not wanting to. And the Leatherbar one is funny, too -- if it was on the list, I think I missed it, first time around... *giggle* - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:01:24 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Question about Stripping Forces At 6:23 PM -0600 1/17/03, Levnik wrote: >I've looked through several source books, and I can find no >information on how a celestial "strips" forces from a being and adds >them to their own. Only Superiors can strip a Force _and add it to their own_ -- anyone can inflict Soul hits (well, anyone whose victim is in celestial form and it is too), eventually rending a Force from the victim, but only Superiors can manipulate Forces the right way to stick them back on. This is in the Game Master's Guide, probably, in the Superiors section, but it may be more implicit than explicit. > Also, what kind of being (ghost, celestial, human) can you strip in this >fashion? Anything that's in the ethereal or celestial realms has its Forces vulnerable to attack. Superiors may, at the GM's option, be able to do nasty things to even people in vessels or bodies. This may take a lot of time/energy, though. - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:05:19 -0500 From: "cpetr@swbell.net" Subject: IN> Question about Buying Forces I've noticed that quite a number of people buy up songs and skills with their CP, my question is why? It seems that a Celestial would do better by beefing up their forces instead, being that having a 12 Willpower or Perception would really help a celstial out. I KNOW it seems like I'm play the numbers, not the game, I'm not. I'm just curious as to why others develop characters in certain ways.. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:10:24 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> The Place: Arisia. At 9:55 AM -0500 1/20/03, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >1 Successful use of the Song of Entropy. 2, actually -- the Creationer/Novaline wanted to keep the Laurencian from killing the barely-pubescent High Priestess of the PBS Pantheon. The Laurencian was most wroth when she woke up. >Eli. As a junior high kid. >1 PC bursting into tears. While hugging Yves desperately. >2 Geases being called in by Demon Princes on Angelic party members. If you're going to TAKE Geases as Discord for a one-shot game... I only wish that I could've figured out how to inflict even more on Moonshadow, who had Geases to _two_ non-Heavenly Superiors. Alas, my inspiration was not up to the task. Now, if this had been the opening shot in a _campaign_... - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:26:55 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Question about Buying Forces >I've noticed that quite a number of people buy up songs and skills with >their CP, my question is why? It seems that a Celestial would do better by >beefing up their forces instead, being that having a 12 Willpower or >Perception would really help a celstial out. I KNOW it seems like I'm play >the numbers, not the game, I'm not. I'm just curious as to why others >develop characters in certain ways.. Well, having more Forces is nice of course, but, apart from the power gaming issue, there's GM discretion (No, you cannot start the game out as a 12 force Ofanite that just fledged) and the sheer praticality issue. Which would you rather have on Earth when a nuclear bomb goes off two feet away- 12 Forces, 3-6 of them Corporeal, or an invulnerable and rapidly generated Song of Corporeal Shields at level 6? Josh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:26:52 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Question about Buying Forces At 10:05 AM -0500 1/20/03, cpetr@swbell.net wrote: >I've noticed that quite a number of people buy up songs and skills with >their CP, my question is why? A: Their GM rules that the only way to get a full Force is to have a Superior do it for them. B: Instant gratification. C: It takes 12 points to buy it up if you don't have a Superior do it for you. D: You _want_ to be low-Force, so you make less noise if you change vessels or go celestial! (Buying attributes is useful here!)* E: You're already maxed out in an area. F: You're already pretty good in a realm and you mostly want to bump up _one_ thing (see B). G: You're saving up for That Cool Relic. H: You decide you need to use your brownie points to get a useful Song/skill (or servant) _now_, so you won't get dumped into Trauma before you've saved up enough for a Force. I: It's the way the character works best -- they're _skilled_, not uberman. J: Subset of A and B -- the GM rules that you can improve something you used (e.g., Song or skill) in the last session/adventure just by spending points, but anything else will require a Superior's (or at least a Songmaster's, for a new Song) intervention _or_ lots of time (to learn a Song the hard way, or a skill, or improve your characteristics via practice with puzzles (Ethereal), the exercise machine (Corporeal), or prayer/meditation/Tetherwork (Celestial). * My "they don't know I'm Renegade and I don't want to tell them" Lilim PC uses option D -- she doesn't want to make more noise than she has to. She also uses G. - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:31:11 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> The Place: Arisia. On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 10:10 AM, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 9:55 AM -0500 1/20/03, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >> 1 Successful use of the Song of Entropy. > > 2, actually -- the Creationer/Novaline wanted to keep the Laurencian > from > killing the barely-pubescent High Priestess of the PBS Pantheon. The > Laurencian was most wroth when she woke up. > You're right, of course. Oh -- and I forgot 1 important point: 1 case of vessel switching leading to mistaken identity. >> 1 PC bursting into tears. > > While hugging Yves desperately. > "It's not my *fault!" > I only wish that I could've figured out how to inflict even more on > Moonshadow, who had Geases to _two_ non-Heavenly Superiors. Alas, my > inspiration was not up to the task. > Your inspiration was working overtime, this time. > Now, if this had been the opening shot in a _campaign_... We would all have been very very happy. (Jodi *will* return. Somewhere. Somewhen. 3 Levels of Aura, Geas/2 remaining to Mother, Intelligence of 3, body of a 14 year old. Super Secret Student Destiny *will* return in "That's my locker, Kobalian sleaze!") - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:45:52 -0500 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: IN> question about the four horsemen of the apocalypse Michael Walton wrote: "Another interpretation is that the Horsemen are in fact angels come to execute Judgement. This is backed by an interpretation of the text that casts Christ as rider of the White Horse. In that scenario, the list might go something like this: "War: Michael Famine: Marc Pestilence: Laurence (plagues are sometimes described in the Old Testament as the sword of the Lord, so it fits) Death: Dominic" Pestilence is on the White Horse, already assigned, in this scheme, to Christ. Dominic is an interesting choice for Death. Of course, there is also a canonical Archangel of Death, name and choir unknown (though Azrael of the Grigori is a popular guess). It is true that the Four Horsemen come at the call of Heaven -- God hands Christ a scroll with seven seals. As Christ breaks the first four seals, one by one, a Living Creature calls out "Come!" and a horseman rides forth. So they could be angels. They could also be demons (or of course, abstractions), since Heaven has a track record of using evil agents to accomplish unpleasant things for it -- e.g., when Israel was punished by being conquered by the Babylonians; the Babylonians were God's tool, but that did not prevent God from condemning and punishing them in turn. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:50:02 -0500 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: IN> [3 Souls] End of Days Neel, Carnivea's analysis of her situation reminds me very much of the situation motivating Crowley and Aziraphael in "Good Omens" -- even victory for the home team looks worse than keeping the stalemate. (Of course, in that story, the angel agreed with the demon, feeling that Heaven on Earth would be pretty hellish.) Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:03:17 -0800 (PST) From: rob scwalen Subject: IN> Lucifer in a female vessel? Has Lucifer ever manifested on Earth in a female vessel in In Nomine canon? Would he ever if he has not already? Would it fit Lucifers unpredictable nature to use the song of Fruition to sire a child with a mortal woman so that child becomes the anti-christ? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:12:21 -0500 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: IN> Lucifer in a female vessel? rob scwalen wrote: "Would it fit Lucifers unpredictable nature to use the song of Fruition to sire a child with a mortal woman so that child becomes the anti-christ?" Whatever the In Nomine answer might be, this is supposed to be the origin of Merlin, in some tales. But, like Lilith, Merlin exercised his free will and defected. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:09:24 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Question about Buying Forces At 10:26 AM -0500 1/20/03, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: [A-J reasons] And one I was just reminded of by Josh there: K: Songs have performance requirements based on skill, not target number -- having a Song at level 6 means you can perform it faster and more quietly than if you have it at level 1, even if the target number is the same! Some skills also add their levels into things usefully. (Oh, and if you want to be a virtuoso (see the Liber Canticorum), you need high skill levels.) - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:10:20 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> The Place: Arisia. At 10:31 AM -0500 1/20/03, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >(Jodi *will* return. Somewhere. Somewhen. 3 Levels of Aura, Geas/2 remaining to >Mother, Intelligence of 3, body of a 14 year old. Super Secret Student Destiny >*will* return in "That's my locker, Kobalian sleaze!") You tempt me to try to get everyone together again for a sequel next year... - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:12:12 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Lucifer in a female vessel? At 8:03 AM -0800 1/20/03, rob scwalen wrote: >Has Lucifer ever manifested on Earth in a female >vessel in In Nomine canon? I don't think he's done so "on screen" but the possibility has certainly not been ruled out. It's quite probable, in fact. > Would it fit Lucifers unpredictable nature to >use the song of Fruition to sire a child with a mortal >woman so that child becomes the anti-christ? Up to the GM. I recall that there is some discussion about that in the Infernal Player's Guide -- some demons find that sort of tactic to be most amusing. - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:31:45 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Question about Buying Forces - --- "cpetr@swbell.net" wrote: > I've noticed that quite a number of people buy up songs > and skills with their CP, my question is why? Simple answer: it's a quick way to purchase abilities that make the character better at its job. Buying up Forces helps everything covered by the realm bought up, true, but it's time consuming and expensive. Besides, once you've maxed out your Forces the only way to improve is to buy up skills and Songs anyway. =====

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__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 09:53:03 -0800 (PST) From: trupke@captainamericafans.com Subject: Re: IN> Live from Arisia 2003... > From: Maurice Lane > > Involuntary Vessel Switch (Corporeal) > > Needless to > say, other celestials react at -1/level to sufferers > of this Discord. > Except for the occasional annoying servant of Dark Humor, who loves to hang around them, especially once the trigger has been determined. "Shupid! Kwi! Shupid! Kwi!" "Cut that out!" TTFN Trupke _________________________________________ ComicBookResources.com - The comic site you have to visit. Free e-mail for Comic Book Fans at http://www.cbrmail.com/ CBR Mail is sponsored by www.MyComicShop.com/cbr/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:32:11 -0200 From: Luiz Claudio Duarte Subject: IN> Looking for info on an archangel Newbie alert! Be nice... I've just taken the plunge and I'll GM an In Nomine adventure for some friends next Friday. I decided to write my own adventure, and I think it's somewhat good, but I've just read in Heaven and Hell something about Christopher, Archangel of Children (on p. 24). Now, a Servitor of Christopher would fit in nicely in my little adventure, but I don't want to create an Archangel if he's canon. Well, *is* Christopher canon? In what supplement does he appear? And, if this is not an infringement on SJG's rights, could someone give me the basic info for a Mercurian servitor of Children? Dissonance, ressonance, rites? If the adventure goes reasonably well, I'll post a summary here. Thanks in advance for the help, folks. - -- "Without this playing with fantasy no creative work has ever come to birth. The debt we owe to the play of our imagination is incalculable." [Carl Jung] Home page: http://www.luiz.claudio.nom.br Editor DMOZ: http://dmoz.org/World/Portugu%eas/Sociedade/Controv%e9rsia_e_Debate/Guerras_e_Conflitos/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 02:35:30 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Question about Buying Forces One of the better GMs I played under told us that ideally we should be spending half our points on forces and half on skills, songs, and attunements (when we could get them). Also, many GMs (including me) require a Superior to grant forces, despite the rule book statement that you can do it "in the field" for extra points. However, as someone who ran a character's Strength up to 12 and has been delighted with the results, I'm open to persuasion if it can be justified in role-playing terms (e.g. a Seraph or Malakite with a Perception of 12, a Cherub of Flowers with a huge amount of Corporeal Forces and Body). Janet Anderson ************************************************* Seraph: What do we want to do if he turns out to be an infernal? Malakite: I'm kinda hoping we don't find that out definitively. Leaving a long string of bodies behind us isn't a really good idea. - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:43:37 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> [fiction] more Photographs in Time - --- Harukami wrote: > "So an Archangel Walked into a Leather Bar..." !!! Oh, this is just wrong, wrong, wrong! Haru, I want some of whatever you've been smoking! }:> =====

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__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:47:37 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Looking for info on an archangel At 4:32 PM -0200 1/20/03, Luiz Claudio Duarte wrote: >Newbie alert! Be nice... > >Well, *is* Christopher canon? In what supplement does he appear? Yes, Night Music. >And, if this is not an infringement on SJG's rights, could someone >give me the basic info for a Mercurian servitor of Children? Dissonance, >ressonance, rites? Let's do it off-list, if anyone does, hm? - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:00:28 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Quotes! Djinn joint? DJINN JOINT?!? Oy vay, is there no escape from the puns around here?* *He said, as if he had room to talk. =====

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"War may sometimes be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary, it is always evil." -- Jimmy Carter

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:22:41 -0800 (PST) From: rob scwalen Subject: IN> Satans Son If Satan did sire a child using the song of fruition would it really be the anti-christ or would it just be another soldier? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:30:03 -0700 From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" Subject: Re: IN> Satans Son > If Satan did sire a child using the song of fruition > would it really be the anti-christ or would it just be > another soldier? Up to Satan, so it's up to the GM. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:27:50 -0800 From: "Phillip DesJardins" Subject: Re: IN> Satans Son > If Satan did sire a child using the song of fruition > would it really be the anti-christ or would it just be > another soldier? I think that falls under the auspices of Canon Doubt and Uncertainty. Heaven and Hell aren't too sure about most of the stuff that gets said in the Bible, really. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:31:18 -0500 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: IN> Satans Son rob scwalen wrote: "If Satan did sire a child using the song of fruition would it really be the anti-christ or would it just be another soldier?" Totally a GM call, in terms of the rules, I think. In so far as there are any rules about celestial-human hybrids, they apply only to normal servitor-level celestials. Superiors are much less quantifiable and rule-bound, and Lucifer is another quantum-jump beyond *that*. For that matter, the nature of the Antichrist is completely undefined in canon, the game not being Christian-specific. Having him be the Son of Satan is just something that has cropped up a few times in literature ("Good Omens," the Damien movies, and some versions of the Merlin legend, to name the ones I know). Those Christian theologians I have read who believe the Antichrist is an actual historical individual (future, present, or past) all believe him to be completely human in nature and origin. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:40:49 GMT From: Christopher Pipinou Subject: Re:IN> Satans Son rob scwalen writes: > If Satan did sire a child using the song of fruition > would it really be the anti-christ or would it just be > another soldier? That would depend entirely on the GM in question, and what he/she/it/they wanted. After all - there's nothing for certain that says that the Anti-Christ exists in In Nomine, since Christ is a figure of Canonical Doubt and Uncertainty. The usual options would be that he's either a mere human (with, quite likely, a high potential for extra Forces) or a Nephallim (see the Corporeal Players Guide for useful details there, if you can get a copy). Nephallim are mutated demon-esque sorts of things (and would fit right in in an In Nomine Anime game). Let your imagination run wild. If it were my game, I'd probably make the character a major focal figure -- after all, why IS the Most Unholy, the Lightbringer, the Original Rebel settling down to spawn a kid - especially if, as you previously suggested, the Lightbringer used a female vessel for it? Is it some sort of massive plot? A clever decoy ruse to distract his underlings? Or, perhaps, just maybe, is the Lightbringer getting soft? Is this some sort of subconscious Cry For Help that could ultimately open the door to Redemption? Cpip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:37:05 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Satans Son At 11:22 AM -0800 1/20/03, rob scwalen wrote: >If Satan did sire a child using the song of fruition >would it really be the anti-christ or would it just be >another soldier? Fnord. - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:01:14 -0800 From: Harukami Subject: Re: IN> Quotes! >(I know there are more Quote-pages out there, Harukami has at least one, I do indeed! Don't Get Caught! (DGC!) - a story apparently about Kobalites failing to complete a mission with anything even resembling dignity or skill, Redemptions, and Fun. Quotes: http://haru_in.tripod.com/dgcquotes.txt Pieces of a Glass Heart - Angels are on a search for pieces of the Hearts of Raphael and Mariel; the stroke of love will bring one back. But which one, and whose love...? Quotes: http://haru_in.tripod.com/poaghquotes.html Enjoy! Harukami - ---- "I wish I knew what we were being kept so long *for*..." [To be concluded when the Malakim come knocking.] Just then, there is a knock on the door. [.........I hate you so much. ^^] http://haru_in.tripod.com/ Haru's IN page: Game logs, art, and fiction. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:09:24 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Looking for info on an archangel >Let's do it off-list, if anyone does, hm? > >-- >--Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor >http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ I've sent it. William ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:51:28 -0200 From: Luiz Claudio Duarte Subject: Re: IN> Looking for info on an archangel Also sprach William J. Keith: > >Let's do it off-list, if anyone does, hm? > > > >-- > >--Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor > >http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ > > I've sent it. > > William Thanks, William, much appreciated. - -- "Without this playing with fantasy no creative work has ever come to birth. The debt we owe to the play of our imagination is incalculable." [Carl Jung] Home page: http://www.luiz.claudio.nom.br Editor DMOZ: http://dmoz.org/World/Portugu%eas/Sociedade/Controv%e9rsia_e_Debate/Guerras_e_Conflitos/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:18:03 -0000 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: IN> Re : Horsemen of the Apocalypse In one of the INS/MV campaign books -- Hell On Wheels, I think -- four of the Princes decide to play at the four horsemen, by doing "their thing" in an appropriate way. (They've actually been talked into it by Asmodeus, iirc, as part of a larger project to distract some Archangels from things he's up to, but I'd have to check to be sure. Oh wait. He's been led into it by Andromalius (DP of Judgment) who is collaborating with Dominique (AA of Justice) to provoke some really obvious demonic behaviour on earth, so they can crack down on both sides on the general principle of Secrecy and Not Letting The Mortals Find Out.) Let me see . . . Bifrons, who is being Death (he's the French DP of Death -- Samigina is the DP of Vampires) just has this plan to raise loads and loads of undead. Fairly simple to put down. Haagenti as Famine is busy pushing the use of diluted artificial milk in the third world, in lieu of breastfeeding. (Neat, yes.) Malthus (French DP of Plague) is being, yup, Pestilence, and (checks) has got this new virus, which is carried in sheep who are perfectly healthy, but which provokes a particularly nasty variant of syphilis in those who eat the sheep's flesh, involving death in two days, with coma just beforehand. And Baal (three guesses) has this major plan involving an artificial spaceship he's had stolen from a faction of psis, and causing all sorts of tension and wars by faking alien invasions . . . no, really. Really. PCs can be either demons or angels. If angels, they get to stop the bad guys, and (accidentally) help Dominique in his reach for power. If demons, they get to try to stop these Public and Dangerous Displays of Hellish Might without offending their own Prince or any allied ones in the process. Nobody ever said life was easy. ;) At the end of the Baal mission, which is probably the last one, while looking for crucial records, they end up faced with an office door, behind which is an office, in which is Baal himself. Sensible PCs do some rapid invoking of Superior at this point. Okay, I have to translate this bit. If the avatar is that of a DP or AA on the wimpish side (such as Novalis or Morax) : in this case, after approximately half a second, said avatar is thrown out of the office and crash-lands ten meters away. He's seriously hurt, and holds in one hand the end of a tie, the only thing which he had time to grab from his adversary while in flight. It's a Mickey Mouse tie. If the PCs go into the office, they find it empty. Baal has teleported away, and has destroyed almost all the proof; all that remains is a few interesting documents. If the avatar is that of an average-strength AA or DP (such as Jean or Gaziel) : the same scenario, but there's a bit more fight (ten seconds) before the avatar is thrown out. If the avatar is that of a DP or AA able to hold his own in a fight with Baal (such as Michael) : in this case, the avatar and the Prince settle down to a proper fight, which will last a good three minutes and cause the collapse of several walls. More chance here that Baal himself may be visible (for PC witnesses). At the end, the avatar leaves the office slightly mauled, the end of a tie clutched in his hand. It's a Mickey Mouse tie. He will finish with this superb statement: "It took a while, but we came to an agreement. Things would work better if everyone just went back home nice and quietly. He's gone." Last possible alternative: the avatar is that of Kronos or Yves. In this case, Baal doesn't even try fight, but teleports out with lowered head. The avatar walks out of the office with a folded tie in his hands, sealed in a plastic bag like a piece of evidence. It's a Mickey Mouse tie. - --- You see, in INS/MV, Baal has this fixation for Mickey Mouse ties . . . Genevieve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:31:57 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> [fiction] more Photographs in Time from Genevieve Cogman >Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 19:22:39 -0600 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from ["Genevieve Cogman" ] >From: "Genevieve Cogman" >Subject: Re: IN> [fiction] more Photographs in Time >-----Original Message----- >From: Harukami >>"So an Archangel Walked into a Leather Bar..." >>http://haru_in.tripod.com/laurencebar.html >> >>Warnings for sexual situations, probably language (though I don't >>remember), and just horrible, horrible wrongness. > >I just snickered my head off. Thank you _very_ much. ;) > >Genevieve > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:26:53 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> Everything you know is... wrong (Re: Lilith and Mercurians) from Genevieve Cogman >Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:25:02 -0600 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from >From: "Genevieve Cogman" >Subject: Re: IN> Everything you know is... wrong (Re: Lilith and Mercurians) >Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 23:19:29 -0000 > >>At 11:18 PM +0000 1/10/03, phillip@mbaysav.org wrote: >>>You mean like Laurence's private and VERY secret Shoujo addiction? >> >>Just so long as he doesn't cosplay Sailor Moon... >>--Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor > >At least he has the legs for it . . . > >"In the name of the Sword, I'll punish you!" > >Genevieve > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:33:16 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Fwd: The False Trump. From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" >Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:05:56 -0600 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Admin request of type /\buns\w*b/i at line 6 >From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" >Subject: The False Trump. >Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:03:37 -0700 > >It is no secret that Gabriel no longer uses her original trumpet. She has >actually used several over the years, disgarding each as Armaggedon is >averted. No longer functional, these trumpets are commonly given as gifts >to talented servitors, although Gabriel's descent into instability and >madness has added an element of randomness concerning who is considered >worthy. That was how an u n s table and dissonant Mercurian of Fire found >himself with a horn that was blown four times in the winter of 1917... and >when he Fell, the Genius Prince eagerly commandeered the spent artifact. > >After more than eighty years of research, Vapula has created a trumpet that >works. Several of them, in fact. > >Oh, they don't work quite the way Gabriel's does. The blower has no idea if >any of the signs of Armaggedon have actually occured. That doesn't matter, >though, since these trumpets don't sound when the signs occur. They sound >when whatever the blower says the signs are occur. They still have to be >true signs -- no blowing the horns for little things -- but this gives >Vapula a great deal of potential control over when the world ends. > >Unfortunately, the trumpets still generates enough disturbance to be heard >on the other side of the planet, and the first few tests resulted in hordes >of angels (and an irate Gabriel) showing up to smite the blower and destroy >the horn. And the few demons who blew it when their self-appointed signs >didn't occur, or were too petty to be true signs, found themselves >mysteriously incinerated BEFORE the Heavenly hit squad showed up. But >Vapula is certain the kinks can be worked out before the dozen trumpets he >made are all destroyed. In fact, he's absolutely positive the False Trump >#6 will work. > >Now if he can just find a group of stooge... er, heroic demons willing to >test it for him. > >Ben > >"You're all the things I've got to remember." >-- A-ha > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:30:03 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> My first post of the year! from Genevieve Cogman >Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:54:40 -0600 >To: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from ["Genevieve Cogman" ] >From: "Genevieve Cogman" >Subject: Re: IN> My first post of the year! >Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:49:02 -0000 > >That's beautiful. Thank you. > >Genevieve Cogman > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:51:20 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Quotes! "Pieces of a Glass Heart" sounds like a lot of fun -- I really enjoyed those quotes. Just for the record, though, a 222 is a Collegiate Intervention (but you have to know your '60's TV to get that). =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"War may sometimes be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary, it is always evil." -- Jimmy Carter

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:54:00 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: The False Trump. From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" - --- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > In fact, he's absolutely positive the False Trump > >#6 will work. > Now if he can just find a group of stooge... er, heroic > demons willing to test it for him. Feeling evil... must run this... =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"War may sometimes be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary, it is always evil." -- Jimmy Carter

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