in_nomine-digest Wednesday, January 22 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2941 In this digest: Re: IN> Celestial Relic: Vampire's Ease Re: IN> A Discord for all those Outcast Malakim out there... Re: IN> Satan, who? Re: IN> Celestial Relic: Vampire's Ease Re: IN> A Discord for all those Outcast Malakim out there... IN> [fiction] Photographs, batch 3 IN> Looking for Wayne Lahoda Re: IN> Satan, who? Re: Alternate view of Celestials (Was Re: IN> Satan, who?) RE: Alternate view of Celestials (Was Re: IN> Satan, who?) IN> Three hours of exercise... RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... IN> A lesson about duty IN> INverse Eli? Re: IN> INverse Eli? Re: IN> INverse Eli? Re: IN> INverse Eli? RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... Re: IN> [fiction] Photographs, batch 3 RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... Re: IN> Satan, who? IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2940 Re: IN> [fiction] Photographs, batch 3 RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... IN> State Changes... Re: IN> State Changes... Re: IN> State Changes... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 04:21:38 -0500 (EST) From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Relic: Vampire's Ease >>Why would an undead want to serve an angelic Superior? And what angelic Superior would want one? (Okay, maybe Michael ...) There is a reference in the Corporeal Player's Guide about Undead that choose to serve Heaven. They are aware that they are still obliterated if they die and that Heaven can't change their condition, but they serve selflessly. I would think just about any Archangel would take one. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 05:41:10 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> A Discord for all those Outcast Malakim out there... While my first impression was that Novalis would hand this out as punishment for Word-Dissonance, on reflection I think that she would prefer for her angels to choose non-violence. =====

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"War may sometimes be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary, it is always evil." -- Jimmy Carter

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 05:44:20 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Satan, who? - --- Daiv wrote: > I just thought of something... Is there actually a > Satan, as > such, in IN? I recognize that a lot of people (in game > and in real > life) use the names more or less interchangeably, but if > memory > serves, historically and mythologically, they are two > distinct > individuals, who may or may not have a common cultural > ancestry. Traditionally Satan isn't a name so much as a title. It literally means "adversary" and refers to the ruler of Hell. Medieval demonology identifies this worthy as the Fallen Archangel of Light (Lucipher), but older sources give other names (Sammael is one of them; in IN canon he's the Demon of Poison). =====

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"War may sometimes be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary, it is always evil." -- Jimmy Carter

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 05:45:50 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Relic: Vampire's Ease Nice one. I can actually see this as something that Heaven invented and Hell copied. =====

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"War may sometimes be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary, it is always evil." -- Jimmy Carter

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:48:53 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> A Discord for all those Outcast Malakim out there... At 05:41 AM 1/22/2003 -0800, Michael Walton wrote: > While my first impression was that Novalis would hand >this out as punishment for Word-Dissonance, on reflection I >think that she would prefer for her angels to choose non-violence. Agreed. Frankly, I was thinking more along the lines of Michael and Laurence when I wrote it, although on reflection, Marc might use it as well. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:53:43 -0800 From: Harukami Subject: IN> [fiction] Photographs, batch 3 Got a few more of these postcard stories done. ^^ I should really start paying attention in class... ~ Belial - Burning Fire ~ http://haru_in.tripod.com/burningfire.html Mild language warning ~ Janus - Gravity ~ http://haru_in.tripod.com/gravity.html No warnings ~ Michael - Eyes ~ http://haru_in.tripod.com/eyes.html No warnings ~ Dominic - the Judged ~ http://haru_in.tripod.com/judged.html No warnings Hugs to all, Harukami - ---- "I wish I knew what we were being kept so long *for*..." [To be concluded when the Malakim come knocking.] Just then, there is a knock on the door. [.........I hate you so much. ^^] http://haru_in.tripod.com/ Haru's IN page: Game logs, art, and fiction. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:38:01 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Looking for Wayne Lahoda Your e-mail address says "Unable to deliver." If you're still interested in joining my PBEM, please contact me at dorigen@graffiti.net. Janet Anderson ************************************************* Seraph: What do we want to do if he turns out to be an infernal? Malakite: I'm kinda hoping we don't find that out definitively. Leaving a long string of bodies behind us isn't a really good idea. - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:22:43 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Satan, who? >As for the others, hmm... so long as the Princes don't interfere when the >cults start up, is there a good chance of the cultists opening up tethers? > > >Josh If there's really *zero* interference, maybe. Tethers are, you know, flighty. William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:30:46 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: Alternate view of Celestials (Was Re: IN> Satan, who?) > Actually, I've always liked playing it that Celestials simply don't get >worship Essence. My idea is that Celestials represent a different order of >being from Ethereals entirely, and that where an Ethereal can get Essence >and indeed derives sustenance from just being believed in, Celestials need >to actively promote a concept in the Symphony in order to further their >causes. I like it mainly because it makes the two groups have different >goals to begin with, and because of some of the lines it promotes: > > "You don't believe in demons, eh? Cute." Baal used to have a cult, and so did a couple of other Demon Princes; Janus is under suspicion, I think, of posing as the Roman Ethereal of the same name. I think it's fairly well established in canon that worship-Essence can work for celestials. However, there is a big difference between ethereals and celestials on this, since as you pointed out celestials don't need to be believed in. William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:51:08 -0500 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: Alternate view of Celestials (Was Re: IN> Satan, who?) William J. Keith wrote: "However, there is a big difference between ethereals and celestials on this, since as you pointed out celestials don't need to be believed in." If I recall theplaytest files of the Ethereal Player's Guide correctly (my local game store being dilatory about getting it), not all Ethereals need to be believed in, either. Some, like the Primals, are just there, whether anyone believes it or not. But the influx of Essence is certainly handy. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:41:47 -0500 From: "Finder, Randolph J Mr NGB-ARNG" Subject: IN> Three hours of exercise... If a Mercurian of Eli and a Impudite of Andre schedule 3 hours every thursday night for regular exercise in the horizontal position then a) Will the Symphony object? (Dissonance given to either) b) Will their superiors object? (For Eli, I don't know if pre/post walkabout matters) c) Will the A-Rententive Superiors on each side object? (Dominic/Asmodeus) Randy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:49:03 -0500 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... Finder, Randolph J wrote: "If a Mercurian of Eli and a Impudite of Andre schedule 3 hours every thursday night for regular exercise in the horizontal position then "a) Will the Symphony object? (Dissonance given to either) "b) Will their superiors object? (For Eli, I don't know if pre/post walkabout matters) "c) Will the A-Rententive Superiors on each side object? (Dominic/Asmodeus)" I defy anyone to say this game doesn't have interesting possibilities. a) Not if the Creationer loves the Lustie but the Lustie doesn't love them back. b) The two spirits will at least have to do some fast talking. Each might try to convince their Superior that they are trying to get the other to defect. Andre might settle for tormenting an angel with unrequited and unreturned love. Eli will probably shake his head sadly and warn the Mercurian that it can come to no good, but might well not issue any thou-shalt-nots. c) Yes. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 00:52:05 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... In my opinion, based on what I remember of canon while at work and without my books: > If a Mercurian of Eli and a Impudite of Andre schedule 3 hours every > thursday night > for regular exercise in the horizontal position then > > a) Will the Symphony object? (Dissonance given to either) Only if the Impudite has any feelings of warmth or caring for the Mercurian, in which case the Impudite will become dissonant. > b) Will their superiors object? (For Eli, I don't know if pre/post walkabout > matters) I think Eli would object because it's a demon. Andrealphus, on the other hand, will be delighted, and will give the Impudite a distinction which he always gives to any servitor of his who successfully sleeps with an angel. > c) Will the A-Rententive Superiors on each side object? (Dominic/Asmodeus) Dominic will Have A Seizure. Asmodeus, like Andrealphus, will object only if the demon actually cares about the angel. (And he'll insist on regular reports. Janet Anderson ************************************************* Seraph: What do we want to do if he turns out to be an infernal? Malakite: I'm kinda hoping we don't find that out definitively. Leaving a long string of bodies behind us isn't a really good idea. - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:53:48 -0500 (EST) From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... >>a) Will the Symphony object? (Dissonance given to either) Eli's kids don't have Dissonance conditions and Andre's Dissonacne Conditions don't apply to this situation. b) Will their superiors object? (For Eli, I don't know if pre/post walkabout matters) Eli might object, Andre would reward the Servitor with a Knight Distinction if secucing the angel had been done. c) Will the A-Rententive Superiors on each side object? (Dominic/Asmodeus) I don't think it's accurate to use that term for either of them, but they would both most definitely object to the point where both angel and demon are facing the end of their existences. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:05:06 +0100 (CET) From: Unni Solaas Subject: Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Janet Anderson wrote: > In my opinion, based on what I remember of canon while at work and > without my books: > [Lust-leech/Creation-merc horizontal manbo hunka-hunka] > > a) Will the Symphony object? (Dissonance given to either) > > Only if the Impudite has any feelings of warmth or caring for the > Mercurian, in which case the Impudite will become dissonant. Unless it has been errataed, the servitors of Lust get dissonant if they develop warm feelings for _humans_ (other warm feelings than the purely physical that is ;). So Love story with and angel shouldn't be dissonant per se. Andre'll object, though. - -- language, n; an intangible artificial construct for obscuring one's meanings and intentions to others. -ppint. Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:04:11 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... From: "Wajenberg, Earl" > > a) Not if the Creationer loves the Lustie but the Lustie doesn't love them > back. Actually, there's no requirement that the Creationer care or not care; the only requirement is the physical one. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:34:38 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... > If a Mercurian of Eli and a Impudite of Andre schedule 3 hours every > thursday night > for regular exercise in the horizontal position then My only question is, why Thursday? Especially when it's Wednesday that's known as "Hump Day"... - -- Casca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:42:12 -0500 From: "Finder, Randolph J Mr NGB-ARNG" Subject: RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... > > a) Not if the Creationer loves the Lustie but the Lustie > doesn't love them > > back. > > Actually, there's no requirement that the Creationer care or > not care; the > only requirement is the physical one. I guess this is interpretation, since I think the canon just says engage in sex... Also, at least at the beginning :), this is entirely business. Half the time, the angel gives the demon the essense that the symphony gave the angel for performing the rite... >From the Creationer's point of view this is just as fair as if the other participant was a Cherub of Flowers... Now if either one's feelings changed over to love, that would be a different story... Randy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:13:24 -0500 From: "Finder, Randolph J Mr NGB-ARNG" Subject: RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... > > b) Will their superiors object? (For Eli, I don't know if > pre/post walkabout > > matters) > > I think Eli would object because it's a demon. Andrealphus, > on the other hand, will be delighted, and will give the > Impudite a distinction which he always gives to any servitor > of his who successfully sleeps with an angel. How is the Distinction written? If a Servitor of Andre is involved in a Fight where an angel is knocked unconcious or otherwise bound and the demon has his way with the unwilling angel, does that count? Randy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:07:22 -0700 From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" Subject: Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... > "b) Will their superiors object? (For Eli, I don't know if pre/post > walkabout matters) Andrealphus often knights his demons for doing this. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:18:24 -0500 (EST) From: Cameron McCurry Subject: IN> A lesson about duty The Reliever flitted amongst the case files that it had been assigned to put away. The job itself was quite peaceful; this was a section of the Halls of Judgment that were rarely visited. So it was with some surprise that the Reliever saw Dominic glide into the room and sit at a chair that faced a window. Although he knew that he shouldn't disturb his Archangel, he felt that it would be rude and inappropriate not to acknowledge his presence. He moved to the chair and lowered his eyes to the floor. "May I be of assistance, Most Just?" The Archangel of Judgment turned to look at the Reliever in surprise. "No, no. I am quite fine. You are Lebbeus, correct?" The Reliever felt a flush creep to his face at his Archangel recognizing him. "Yes, Most Just. I have been assigned to handle the filings of the cases in this section." "Ah yes. The resolved cases. Once something is done and dealt with, it seems easier to file it away and forget it until one has a need for it." Dominic appeared to stare out the window peacefully. The Reliever bowed low and was going to resume his work when the Archangel's voice stopped him. "Lebbeus, you were one of the Relievers present at the Trial of Shakrius yesterday, were you not?" The Reliever nodded in response. "Yes, Most Just. My mentor felt that it would be to my benefit to watch and learn." "And did you learn anything, little one?" "Indeed I did. I learned about Shakirus' original crimes that led to his Fall and the events that led to him seeking the Mercy of Heaven." "And yet he was sentenced to be Soul Killed, correct?" "Y...yes, Most Just." "And what did you think of the result Lebbeus?" "It was a...fair trial, Archangel. I would not presume to question the Verdict for I had nothing to offer that could have changed it." "I did not ask what you thought of the trial, Lebbeus. I asked what you thought of its result." Although Dominic's voice was clam, Lebbeus still felt some mortal terror at being directly questioned by his own Archangel over this. He quickly went through his mental inventory of possible Heresies he may have committed and steeled himself for his answer. "Although the verdict was in accordance with the Laws of Heaven, I feel that an error was made in executing Shakirus, Most Just. He had repented of his folly before you and was still Sentenced to Soul Death." Dominic nodded in reply. "I see," he said quietly. The only sound for a few seconds in the room was the ticking of the clock. Lebbeus knew that what he said could have him banished or reassigned but he was not going to back down from what he said. Then Dominic turned to him again. "And I assume that there are other things you have seen in your duties that you have found disturbing?" "Some things, Most Just, but I will not shirk my duties because of it. May I ask something?" "As of this moment, you may ask whatever is on your mind." Lebbeus took a deep breath to steel himself then asked the question that he had wondered for years. "Why are we so...harsh with angels? We carry out our duties as you have commanded us to, we act in the name of Judgment and we are scorned, derided and treated as little better than Outcasts. Even the Relievers of Archangel Novalis avert their eyes when I am near. Forgive my presumption, Most Just, but it would seem our approach makes enemies out of those who we help." "Have you ever read about the Trial of Michael, Lebbeus?" "Of course, Most Holy. It is one of the first Trials that I had ever read about." "I knew that the Trial would make the Archangel of War an enemy. Even if he had been found guilty of his crime, I would always be known as the one who destroyed Heaven's Champion. But I never desired the Trial and did everything I could to find him Innocent before it could begin." "After God had Intervened on Michael's behalf and the matter was settled, I found myself with Yves's Library. I sought to lose myself for a while as despair had gripped me to the point I would have asked God to choose another angel to be his Judgment. "Yves found me, as I knew that he would eventually. He took me to his study and I confessed my confusion to him just as you are doing to me. And I will tell you that I was more nervous doing that than you are in facing me. The Archangel of Destiny did not condemn me for my sorrow or weakness. He merely listened and without a word, he handed me a book. It was a simple tome bound in dark leather. The faded gold lettering simply said 'The Book of May Have Been.' He told me to open it to any page and learn the answer I needed." "What did the book say, Most Just?" "The book did not have any writing. It showed the reader the world that could have been with a different decision. I will not assume that I can understand the way it functions, but what I saw was what would happened should I fail to carry out my duties the way I have been." Dominic touched the shoulder of the Reliever affectionately and smiled sadly at the memories brought to the surface. "I cannot tell you what I saw but know this: We are harsh with our Bretheren because I have seen the alternative. And if being shunned, loathed and scorned is the price we pay to keep that world at bay then I shall pay it ten times over and consider the trade to be fair." As the Reliever shuddered at the implications of what he had learned, the Archangel stood and moved towards the door. "Your question was a good one, Lebbeus. I hope that my explanation will suffice because you will never hear a better one. And we shall never speak of it again." He turned one last time to face his Servitor. "Go with God, my child." "Thank you, Most Just." The Reliever turned back to the filing with a new love for its place in the Heavens. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:22:59 -0800 (PST) From: rob scwalen Subject: IN> INverse Eli? In the INverse campaign Eli is the Demon Prince of the Cancer, What interpretation does he use for that word. is he the prince of humanity as a cancer, cancer itself or something else entirely? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:28:40 -0800 From: "Phillip DesJardins" Subject: Re: IN> INverse Eli? > In the INverse campaign Eli is the Demon Prince of the > Cancer, What interpretation does he use for that word. > is he the prince of humanity as a cancer, cancer > itself or something else entirely? I've seen the idea before, and unless I miss my mark, the idea is Eli as Creation out of any sense of perspective. Creation for creations' sake, Creation feeding on itself, Creation eventually choking on itself. It's how I did it for counterpoint, anyway: Eli's still on his walkabout like in Canon IN, but this time his goal is a little nastier. He's responsible for the rapant growth of consumer culture in industrial nations, among other things. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:34:21 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> INverse Eli? >In the INverse campaign Eli is the Demon Prince of the >Cancer, What interpretation does he use for that word. >is he the prince of humanity as a cancer, cancer >itself or something else entirely? > Cancer as in "creation gone awry". A metasticized Symphony. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:40:34 +0100 (CET) From: Unni Solaas Subject: Re: IN> INverse Eli? On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, rob scwalen wrote: [Interpretation of Evil Eli's Word] Hm. Sirea sent something to this list a few (like half a year?) ago about Eli as DP of the Cancer. I seem to have...er..."misplaced" this post, so we'll need help from Someone Else for this one.. <:) - -- language, n; an intangible artificial construct for obscuring one's meanings and intentions to others. -ppint. Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 02:46:57 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... > How is the Distinction written? > > If a Servitor of Andre is involved in a Fight where an angel is knocked > unconcious or otherwise bound and the demon has his way with the unwilling > angel, does that count? That's a very good question to which I don't know the canon answer, but my guess would be Yes. Willing or unwilling, conscious or unconscious, it's all the same to Andrealphus. Janet Anderson ************************************************* Seraph: What do we want to do if he turns out to be an infernal? Malakite: I'm kinda hoping we don't find that out definitively. Leaving a long string of bodies behind us isn't a really good idea. - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:56:12 -0500 From: EDG Subject: RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... At 02:46 AM 1/23/2003 +0800, Janet Anderson wrote: >That's a very good question to which I don't know the canon answer, but my >guess would be Yes. Willing or unwilling, conscious or unconscious, it's >all the same to Andrealphus. Have to disagree here. IMO, the Distinction is granted because the demon managed to get an angel to succumb to lust, not because the demon slept with an angel. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:57:41 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> [fiction] Photographs, batch 3 Wow. That last one is the best attempt at sympathy for Dominic that I've ever seen. Not that the others were bad, mind you, but I freely admit my bias. =====

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"War may sometimes be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary, it is always evil." -- Jimmy Carter

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:00:44 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... - --- Janet Anderson wrote: > > If a Servitor of Andre is involved in a Fight where an > angel is knocked > > unconcious or otherwise bound and the demon has his way > with the unwilling > > angel, does that count? > > That's a very good question to which I don't know the > canon answer, but my guess would be Yes. Willing or > unwilling, conscious or unconscious, it's all the same to > Andrealphus. And I would say no. The Distinction write-up says that Andre awards it to any of his demons who _seduces_ (not _has sex with_) an angel. Seduction requires that one obtain the other party's consent. The other party knowing the full ramifications of what (s)he's consenting to is optional. =====

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"War may sometimes be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary, it is always evil." -- Jimmy Carter

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:18:08 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... At 11:41 AM -0500 1/22/03, Finder, Randolph J Mr NGB-ARNG wrote: >If a Mercurian of Eli and a Impudite of Andre schedule 3 hours every >thursday night for regular exercise in the horizontal position then > >a) Will the Symphony object? (Dissonance given to either) No. (It's dissonant for a Lustie to care about a _human_. Caring about an angel is fine -- if, er, stupid.) Presumably the Creationer will be doing it with the right mindset of caring. (If he isn't, it won't be dissonant, but he likely won't get any _Essence_ from it!) [No, that's not the bare-bones part, which is "sex for an hour," but considering everything, that's going to have to involve foreplay, afterplay, and since this is _Eli's_ Rite we're talkin' about here, caring. At least, the non-jealous, non-monogamous caring that angels presumably can manage.] So each will get their Essence from their own particular Rite. The trick is making sure the demon doesn't bug out after 30 minutes. O:> >b) Will their superiors object? (For Eli, I don't know if pre/post walkabout >matters) Eli would be distressed -- unless, of course, he manages to get a Mercurian (or Truth) reading that indicates the demon is caring, in which case he might want to meet the demon and explain what Andre does to demons who Care Too Much, and how it's much nicer with feathers. Andre will likely give a Distinction, unless the demon Cares Too Much and in that case there will be... trouble. >c) Will the A-Rententive Superiors on each side object? (Dominic/Asmodeus) Dominic will have a spit-fit until the demon is properly removed to a Heaven-Tether and chooses redemption, at which point he will have someone lecture the angel about stupid risks. Asmodeus will have the demon spied upon, with the squad doing the spying hoping to catch the demon (and, hey, the angel too if they can) in the act of trying to go Renegade, at which point they drag it down and their Boss gets to make snarky remarks to Andre about being unable to control his people. At 1:13 PM -0500 1/22/03, Finder, Randolph J Mr NGB-ARNG wrote: >How is the Distinction written? > >If a Servitor of Andre is involved in a Fight where an angel is knocked >unconcious or otherwise bound and the demon has his way with the unwilling >angel, does that count? I would say not -- the Distinction says, "successfully seduces an angel." Rape is not seduction -- it's not getting the angel to enjoy something which the angel knows it shouldn't. It's the intersection of sex and violence, and Andre would probably approve of it on principle (especially with a target such as a Laurencian or just about any blackwing), but it's not what he uses the Distinction as a reward for. Whether or not using Dark Desire works is up to the GM. If you invoke Andre to the party, then probably yes, but you don't get much angel-tail unless you time the invocation just right. - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:42:35 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Satan, who? At 5:15 PM -0800 1/21/03, Daiv wrote: > I just thought of something... Is there actually a Satan, as such, in >IN? IIRC, that would be the "honorable prosecution," or "tester" who is actually an angel? I don't think such has appeared canonically (though it should be noted that Lucifer is _Lucifer_, and _not_ Satan...), though I think I've seen one of those on the list a while back. > Assuming that i am correct (stranger things have happened) and there are >two of them, then while Lucifer is leading the dark hosts of Hell, there may be >a pumped up Ethereal out there, Probably not. See... the Game Master's Guide, for now, regarding Divine Religions and how ethereals don't seem to be generated from same. When the EPG comes out, it will have the same stuff in it, and probably more of it. O:> - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:52:33 -0500 From: Rolland Therrien Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2940 - -----Original Message----- From: in_nomine-digest To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 3:31 AM Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2940 >Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:26:18 -0800 >From: "vaughn_r" >Subject: IN> Who is Batman? (part 2 of ?) > >Ever have one of those simple ideas that just seems to keep growing? This >story was suppose to end with the witty dialogue I had dreamed up last >night, but noooo, I just had to go and turn my introduction piece into it's >own little story. Oh well, never say no to your Muse I suppose. Cool story. Lemme guess, a Malakite of Dreams? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:57:57 -0800 From: Harukami Subject: Re: IN> [fiction] Photographs, batch 3 > Wow. That last one is the best attempt at sympathy for >Dominic that I've ever seen. Not that the others were bad, >mind you, but I freely admit my bias. Thank you very much! It's actually come up a lot for me recently - in an angelic game I'm running, Liber Horae, our rather hyperactive Cherub (who just got a new Etherial Force, thank God), had just encountered Dominic and had a long conversation about Dominic with a Judge friend. The Cherub has decided to "help Dominic get over his feelings of guilt for the Fall." Not likely to be an easy task, but it got me thinking... Mind you, I've always liked Dominic, so... ^_~ Yes. Hugs, Harukami - ---- "I wish I knew what we were being kept so long *for*..." [To be concluded when the Malakim come knocking.] Just then, there is a knock on the door. [.........I hate you so much. ^^] http://haru_in.tripod.com/ Haru's IN page: Game logs, art, and fiction. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:11:05 -0500 From: "Finder, Randolph J Mr NGB-ARNG" Subject: RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... > >a) Will the Symphony object? (Dissonance given to either) > > No. (It's dissonant for a Lustie to care about a _human_. Caring > about an angel is fine -- if, er, stupid.) Hey I didn't say it was "intelligent" :) > > Presumably the Creationer will be doing it with the right mindset > of caring. (If he isn't, it won't be dissonant, but he likely won't > get any _Essence_ from it!) > > [No, that's not the bare-bones part, which is "sex for an hour," but > considering everything, that's going to have to involve foreplay, > afterplay, and since this is _Eli's_ Rite we're talkin' about here, > caring. At least, the non-jealous, non-monogamous caring that angels > presumably can manage.] I sort of think of it at the level of caring of "I hope the Impudite doesn't get run over by a bus, that wouldn't be cool at all". But if the impudite does something significantly evil, sending him back to his heart is certainly appropriate > > So each will get their Essence from their own particular Rite. The > trick is making sure the demon doesn't bug out after 30 minutes. O:> Unfortunately I don't have Andre's rites handy. What does the Impudite of Andre have to do for the Essence? > > >b) Will their superiors object? (For Eli, I don't know if > pre/post walkabout > >matters) > > Eli would be distressed -- unless, of course, he manages to get a > Mercurian (or Truth) reading that indicates the demon is caring, in > which case he might want to meet the demon and explain what Andre > does to demons who Care Too Much, and how it's much nicer with > feathers. And if he went with Eli after redemption, its not like he'd be doing the horizontal tango *that* much less. :) > > Andre will likely give a Distinction, unless the demon Cares Too Much > and in that case there will be... trouble. Just a little bit. Andre will care if the Demon cares too much for the angel even if the dissonance conditions say cares too much for a human... > > >c) Will the A-Rententive Superiors on each side object? > (Dominic/Asmodeus) > > Dominic will have a spit-fit until the demon is properly removed to a > Heaven-Tether and chooses redemption, at which point he will > have someone > lecture the angel about stupid risks. And probably mark it down as yet another sign that Eli isn't doing his job... > > Asmodeus will have the demon spied upon, with the squad doing > the spying > hoping to catch the demon (and, hey, the angel too if they can) in the > act of trying to go Renegade, at which point they drag it > down and their > Boss gets to make snarky remarks to Andre about being unable > to control > his people. In some ways it seems sort of odd that Dominic isn't more interested in helping redemptions than he is. Asmodeus certainly seems interested in having angels fall... > > I would say not -- the Distinction says, "successfully > seduces an angel." > Rape is not seduction -- it's not getting the angel to enjoy > something > which the angel knows it shouldn't. It's the intersection of sex and > violence, and Andre would probably approve of it on principle > (especially > with a target such as a Laurencian or just about any blackwing), but > it's not what he uses the Distinction as a reward for. That sounds about right. Just as having that done to them probably *shouldn't* show up in the dishonorable category for the malakite resonance. > > Whether or not using Dark Desire works is up to the GM. If you invoke > Andre to the party, then probably yes, but you don't get much > angel-tail > unless you time the invocation just right. Hmm. Sounds like an infernal intervention for a dark desire roll would be to the Demon's disadvantage because Andre would take over... Randy > > -- > --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine > Line Editor > http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:46:58 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> State Changes... They say that the Malakim were transformed by the Wrath of God, when He looked down upon his rebellious children, and his anger overtook him. And perhaps they are right, but the Virtues were not the first. The first one to be touched by the divine anger was not Uriel, no matter what Laurence's angels might have you believe. No, the first to be touched was Hazael, an elohite. When he saw angel fighting against angel, he felt a rage so powerful that it could only have come from God Himself. And so I became Hamas, instead. But the Wrath was too strong to control, and I (and those who were likewise touched, for His anger was too great for me to hold alone) began to lash out at all those within reach. For we had changed too well, and His anger was directed toward not only His rebellious children, but at those who had failed to stop them. Why did you think they call us Punishers? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:38:18 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> State Changes... >> No, the first to be touched was Hazael, an elohite. When he saw angel >fighting against angel, he felt a rage so powerful that it could only have >come from God Himself. > > And so I became Hamas, instead. But the Wrath was too strong to control, >and I (and those who were likewise touched, for His anger was too great for >me to hold alone) began to lash out at all those within reach. For we had >changed too well, and His anger was directed toward not only His rebellious >children, but at those who had failed to stop them. > > Why did you think they call us Punishers? > Nice. Someone did something vaguely parallel for a game they ran. It's on the INC somewhere... basically that Habbalah realized that they were really, truly, honest to God divine and the angels realized it too. Now there are a lot of Habbalah in Heaven and some 'fallen' ones still serving in Hell. Though, not to quibble with the time scale, did the angels who Rebelled become fully demonic in Heaven or when they finally landed in Hell? Josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:58:52 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> State Changes... From: "Josh Moger" > > > > Why did you think they call us Punishers? > > Nice. Thank you! > Though, not to quibble with the time scale, did the angels who Rebelled > become fully demonic in Heaven or when they finally landed in Hell? The concept I was running with was that the first haballah Fell during the Rebellion. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2941 ********************************