in_nomine-digest Thursday, January 23 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2942 In this digest: Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... IN> Clone Master M.C. Ice-Tongs Re: IN> Clone Master M.C. Ice-Tongs Re: IN> A lesson about duty Re: IN> A lesson about duty IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... Re: IN> [fiction] Photographs, batch 3 Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... Re: IN> State Changes... Re: IN> State Changes... Re: IN> [ADVISORY: Dark] Three hours of exercise... Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... IN> Re:A lesson about duty RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... Re: IN> State Changes... Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 06:14:51 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... > No. (It's dissonant for a Lustie to care about a _human_. Caring > about an angel is fine -- if, er, stupid.) That's a very large loophole, isn't it? Especially since it could provide a lot of Redemptions which the Andrealphans wouldn't have any warning (i.e. dissonant demons) in time to prevent. > >If a Servitor of Andre is involved in a Fight where an angel is knocked > >unconcious or otherwise bound and the demon has his way with the unwilling > >angel, does that count? > > I would say not -- the Distinction says, "successfully seduces an angel." Okay, I have to admit that knocking someone unconscious doesn't count as "seduction" in my opinion. The thing is, I assume that my opinion and Andrealphus's opinion are always going to be pretty much opposites ... Janet Anderson ************************************************* Seraph: What do we want to do if he turns out to be an infernal? Malakite: I'm kinda hoping we don't find that out definitively. Leaving a long string of bodies behind us isn't a really good idea. - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:27:49 -0500 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Clone Master M.C. Ice-Tongs > OB IN... > How about an Artifact that creates an exact duplicate of the > subject? You can do something similar with Primordial Clay. "Precise details require an Artistry (Sculpture) roll, unless the vessel is being made as a duplicate of an existing being, and something from that being is available as a 'starter.'" (L.Reliq p89) This only allows a Celestial to impersonate someone else, not create a new being. If you wanted to do that you'd need to use the Song of Life (Restricted: Superiors, possibly others; p. 91)(L.Cant) Ah-heh. New From VapuTech! Synthetic Primordial Clay! Tired of having to beg your Superior for new vessels? Come on down to: Slap Happy Vappy's Used Vessel Emporium! Here we will take your old vessel and custom build you a new one from our new manufactured Synthetic Primordial Clay! (Disclaimer: May cause irreversible damage to Celestial and Ethereal Forces. Diarrhea, nose bleeds and abdominal pains are also common side effects. Don not use while under Geas or with Body Bags as this may cause unexpected side effects. VapuTech is not responsible the wrath on the part of the user's Superior. Synthetic Primordial Clay has been known to attract the attention of the Game.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:37:56 -0800 From: Harukami Subject: Re: IN> Clone Master M.C. Ice-Tongs >(Disclaimer: May cause irreversible damage to Celestial and Ethereal Forces. >Diarrhea, nose bleeds and abdominal pains are also common side effects. Don >not use while under Geas or with Body Bags as this may cause unexpected side >effects. VapuTech is not responsible the wrath on the part of the user's >Superior. Synthetic Primordial Clay has been known to attract the attention >of the Game.) [CACKLES] [throws essence] Harukami - ---- "I wish I knew what we were being kept so long *for*..." [To be concluded when the Malakim come knocking.] Just then, there is a knock on the door. [.........I hate you so much. ^^] http://haru_in.tripod.com/ Haru's IN page: Game logs, art, and fiction. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:11:28 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> A lesson about duty >tome bound in dark leather. The faded gold lettering simply said 'The >Book of > May Have Been.' Too easy. Such a book would make it way too easy to know what was right, you see. Now, if any angel had the chance to see such a book, I think Dominic would be the one; but, in a meta-gaming sense, it makes him (or any angel that saw such a book) way too easy to justify, and thus way too hard to assail. William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:24:50 -0400 From: pbarkow@hfx.eastlink.ca Subject: Re: IN> A lesson about duty On 22 Jan 2003 at 21:11, William J. Keith wrote: > >tome bound in dark leather. The faded gold lettering simply said > >'The Book of > > May Have Been.' > > Too easy. > > Such a book would make it way too easy to know what was right, you > see. Now, if any angel had the chance to see such a book, I think > Dominic would be the one; but, in a meta-gaming sense, it makes him > (or any angel that saw such a book) way too easy to justify, and thus > way too hard to assail. It was a book in Yves' Library, handed, by Yves, to an Archangel desperately in need of reassurance. I would be surprised if that book showed something other than what the reader 'needed' to see. Now the question is, how much do you trust Yves' judgement of what any given individual needs to see? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:44:06 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... So, the Arisian In Nomine Anime game had more than various people who post to this list playing. No, we had a scribe. Only she wasn't scribing, she was illustrating. Here, thanks to the good graces of the redoubtable Robotgirl, are three variations on a theme: three Bright Lilim females, all in early teenaged vessels, as played by three... well... guys. Prodigal, Moe and Myself present, by the good graces of Robotgirl's pencil, 'the girls.' (What scares me is Moe's looks the most *normal.*) http://robotgirl.org/art/innomine/ for the pictures. - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:04:13 -0500 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... > three Bright >Lilim females, all in early teenaged vessels, as played by three... >well... guys. Prodigal, Moe and Myself present, by the good graces of >Robotgirl's pencil, 'the girls.' ...Oh, /nice/ art. [grins] So, out of curiosity, which Bright served which AA? ...And on that topic, any chance of a log/summary/whatever of the Arisia game being posted to the ML eventually? ^^ It sounds like it was /fun/... ~S.D. Ryukage http://www.livejournal.com/~melpomenes_mask/ ***** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:22:43 -0800 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... "Finder, Randolph J Mr NGB-ARNG" wrote: > > > > > So each will get their Essence from their own particular Rite. The > > trick is making sure the demon doesn't bug out after 30 minutes. O:> > Unfortunately I don't have Andre's rites handy. What does the Impudite of > Andre have to do for the Essence? Sexual acts for half an hour. Consent isn't necessary and--more to the immediate point--it's only half the duration of Eli's rite. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:49:34 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... - --- "S.D." wrote: > So, out of curiosity, which Bright served which AA? Well, I was serving Laurence (nee Lust), IIRC Prodigal was serving Creation IST Flowers and Whistling was serving Destiny. Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 01/21/03 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:50:33 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... At 3:11 PM -0500 1/22/03, Finder, Randolph J Mr NGB-ARNG wrote: [Creation's sex-Rite] >> [...] since this is _Eli's_ Rite we're talkin' about here, >> caring. At least, the non-jealous, non-monogamous caring that angels >> presumably can manage.] >I sort of think of it at the level of caring of "I hope the Impudite doesn't >get run over by a bus, that wouldn't be cool at all". But if the impudite >does something significantly evil, sending him back to his heart is >certainly appropriate I don't think that smiting the demon and caring for it at the same time are necessarily mutually exclusive. They shot Old Yella', after all. >> So each will get their Essence from their own particular Rite. The >> trick is making sure the demon doesn't bug out after 30 minutes. O:> >Unfortunately I don't have Andre's rites handy. What does the Impudite of >Andre have to do for the Essence? 30 minutes of participating in sexual acts. (From memory!) >> Eli [...] might want to meet the demon and explain what Andre >> does to demons who Care Too Much, and how it's much nicer with >> feathers. >And if he went with Eli after redemption, its not like he'd be doing the >horizontal tango *that* much less. :) *smirk* >> Andre will likely give a Distinction, unless the demon Cares Too Much >> and in that case there will be... trouble. >Just a little bit. Andre will care if the Demon cares too much for the angel >even if the dissonance conditions say cares too much for a human... Yup. It's not _dissonant_, it's just stupid. >> Asmodeus will have the demon spied upon, [...] >In some ways it seems sort of odd that Dominic isn't more interested in >helping redemptions than he is. Asmodeus certainly seems interested in >having angels fall... I figure that they're each about as interested in "converting the other side" as the other. It's something they're quite happy to help with if they come across it, but they don't go out of their way to try for it. >> I would say not -- the Distinction says, "successfully >> seduces an angel." Rape is not seduction [...] >That sounds about right. Just as having that done to them probably >*shouldn't* show up in the dishonorable category for the malakite resonance. Which "them"? (I mean, Andrealphites are pretty used to being tied up and...) >> Whether or not using Dark Desire works is up to the GM. If you invoke >> Andre to the party, then probably yes, but you don't get much >> angel-tail >> unless you time the invocation just right. >Hmm. Sounds like an infernal intervention for a dark desire roll would be to >the Demon's disadvantage because Andre would take over... Well, if that's what the GM decides the Infernal Intervention means. It might mean Lucifer shows up and whisks the angel away, after all. *smirk* At 6:14 AM +0800 1/23/03, Janet Anderson wrote: >> No. (It's dissonant for a Lustie to care about a _human_. Caring >> about an angel is fine -- if, er, stupid.) > >That's a very large loophole, isn't it? Maybe. On the other hand, it's what the Word is about -- _caring_ about humans is what hurt Andre the most, after all... One could either rationalize it as "don't care for your inferiors" (which is about how _Andre_ seems to act, considering his treatment of his own "favored" minions), or "don't care for humans -- 'cause that's what stupid fluffwings do." Or both... > Especially since it could provide a lot of Redemptions which the Andrealphans >wouldn't have any warning (i.e. dissonant demons) in time to prevent. One of the reasons why Asmodeus has a low opinion of the Beautiful Prince, probably. O:> - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:56:10 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... At 9:44 PM -0500 1/22/03, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >So, the Arisian In Nomine Anime game had more than various people who post to >this list playing. No, we had a scribe. Only she wasn't scribing, she was >illustrating. Do we ever get to see the chibi-postits? (I need to scan in the Iolanthe one... I did, well, sorta keep it. Very safe, I keep it!) At 10:04 PM -0500 1/22/03, S.D. wrote: >So, out of curiosity, which Bright served which AA? Moe's was the Laurencian. Prodigal's was the Creationer in service to Flowers. Sabre (Whistling in the Dark) had the Destiny Lilim. She was the one in the short-skirted nun's habit, in the game. It was a Halloween party, after all. - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:00:22 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> [fiction] Photographs, batch 3 - --- Harukami wrote: > > ~ Dominic - the Judged ~ > http://haru_in.tripod.com/judged.html > No warnings I especially liked this one. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 01/21/03 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:24:26 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... *Three* Bright Lilim?! I always thought Bright Lilim were incredibly rare. Janet Anderson ************************************************* Seraph: What do we want to do if he turns out to be an infernal? Malakite: I'm kinda hoping we don't find that out definitively. Leaving a long string of bodies behind us isn't a really good idea. - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:35:21 -0600 From: MasonK Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... >*Three* Bright Lilim?! > >I always thought Bright Lilim were incredibly rare. They're supposed to be. My comment to Whistling when he described this session was, "Sounds fun. So, what, a *fourth* of Heaven's Lilim were assigned to *one* case?" >Janet Anderson MasonK Angel of... um... I forget.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:53:22 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... - --- Janet Anderson wrote: > *Three* Bright Lilim?! > > I always thought Bright Lilim were incredibly rare. So is getting me, Beth, Walter, Prodigal, Whistling and Io-chan in the same room. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 01/21/03 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:03:10 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> State Changes... - --- Josh Moger wrote: > Nice. Agreed, btw. > Someone did something vaguely parallel for a > game they ran. Then, there's this: http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/new/Misc-I/Fiction/adamiani-finalbattle.html I still get a chuckle out of it. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 01/21/03 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 00:20:36 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> State Changes... > >Then, there's this: > >http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/new/Misc-I/Fiction/adamiani-final battle.html > >I still get a chuckle out of it. :) There are two ways to intepret that story. 1- the Habbalah were speaking the Truth the entire time and were in fact angels that were serving in Hell. 2- the Habbalah were still delusional, still demons, but so convinced that they're angels that they had to fight on Heaven's side in the big one. Personally, I vote for #2. Hmm... Habbalah serving as Hell's keepers after the War is won by Heaven, so that humans that meet their Fate can finally begin a process of redemption in Hell? Vaguely Sandmanish version of Hell... Hmm... Josh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 00:47:08 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> [ADVISORY: Dark] Three hours of exercise... On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 01:56 PM, EDG wrote: > At 02:46 AM 1/23/2003 +0800, Janet Anderson wrote: > >> That's a very good question to which I don't know the canon answer, >> but my guess would be Yes. Willing or unwilling, conscious or >> unconscious, it's all the same to Andrealphus. > > Have to disagree here. IMO, the Distinction is granted because the > demon managed to get an angel to succumb to lust, not because the > demon slept with an angel. > WARNING -- DARKNESS UP TO ELEVEN, AND UNPLEASANTNESS. It depends on how the demon does it. If the angel never knows it happens, then no, no distinction. However, if the helpless angel is conscious and actively doesn't want to do this, but can't stop it... then yes. Satisfying one's lusts through rape is legitimate in Andrealphus's viewpoint. In fact, it might be preferable. It forces the view on that angel, who learns firsthand that there is no love, there is only selfish lust. There is no reciprocity, there is only taking for yourself. Andre loves it when a Malakite is the victim -- not only is it selfish and lustful, but if the Malakite resonates the demon committing the atrocity, he sees that the demon is acting perfectly honorably by the lights of Lust. To Andrealphus, this increases his own vicarious pleasure in the act. Of course, if the demon uses Dark Desire or other Attunements or Songs to make the angel enjoy the rape, forcing a sense of horrible guilt, of lowered self esteem, of enjoying the desecration forced upon the angel... well, Andrealphus lives for days like this.... - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 00:53:36 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 11:24 PM, Janet Anderson wrote: > *Three* Bright Lilim?! > > I always thought Bright Lilim were incredibly rare. > They are. When Laurence showed up, he hit the roof over the misallocation of resources. It was that sort of game. - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 05:00:24 -0500 (EST) From: Cameron McCurry Subject: IN> Re:A lesson about duty >>It was a book in Yves' Library, handed, by Yves, to an Archangel desperately in need of reassurance. Exactly. The brief glance offered in the book (Boldface, capitalize, underline and 25 point font on the word "Brief") was used to give Dominic perspective. The way I see it is that only a Superior would be able to handle suddenly seeing the Big Picture. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:55:33 -0500 From: "Finder, Randolph J Mr NGB-ARNG" Subject: RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... > > I don't think that smiting the demon and caring for it at the > same time > are necessarily mutually exclusive. They shot Old Yella', after all. Yup. And if the Impudite were to do something Rabid. :) > > >Unfortunately I don't have Andre's rites handy. What does > the Impudite of > >Andre have to do for the Essence? > > 30 minutes of participating in sexual acts. (From memory!) Well doesn't staying there for an hour give them two essence? > >And if he went with Eli after redemption, its not like he'd > be doing the > >horizontal tango *that* much less. :) > > *smirk* I'm sure that while the Kama Sutra was made under the auspices of the Hindu Pantheon that Eli was very interested. The question is whether a servitor of Eli has ever done the addition work to describe all of the additional things that can be done with Celestial Forms. The addition of Kyriotates, Cherubim and Ofanim has got to allow some new things... > >Just a little bit. Andre will care if the Demon cares too > much for the angel > >even if the dissonance conditions say cares too much for a human... > > Yup. It's not _dissonant_, it's just stupid. The question is what happens if he cares too much for another demon? > > I figure that they're each about as interested in "converting the > other side" as the other. It's something they're quite happy to > help with if they come across it, but they don't go out of their > way to try for it. I tend to think of Asmodeus as being slightly more interested in angels falling than that, but is there anyone who takes Novalises role of encouraging celestials to switch sides? > > >> I would say not -- the Distinction says, "successfully > >> seduces an angel." Rape is not seduction [...] > > >That sounds about right. Just as having that done to them probably > >*shouldn't* show up in the dishonorable category for the > malakite resonance. > > Which "them"? The angel. Being Raped *should not* could as a dishonorable act. Being captured may. > > (I mean, Andrealphites are pretty used to being tied up and...) True, Probably more so than Creationers. (If a follower of Andrealphus is an Andrealphite, shouldn't a follower of Eli be an Elite? :) > >Hmm. Sounds like an infernal intervention for a dark desire > roll would be to > >the Demon's disadvantage because Andre would take over... > > Well, if that's what the GM decides the Infernal Intervention means. > > It might mean Lucifer shows up and whisks the angel away, after all. > > *smirk* And this is an advantage to the Demon *how*? > Maybe. On the other hand, it's what the Word is about -- > _caring_ about > humans is what hurt Andre the most, after all... Perhaps Andre found that while he could handle the concept of Love in Heaven. It was Love among the Humans he couldn't handle... > > One could either rationalize it as "don't care for your > inferiors" (which > is about how _Andre_ seems to act, considering his treatment > of his own > "favored" minions), or "don't care for humans -- 'cause > that's what stupid > fluffwings do." > > Or both... Well, I think you need to tweak "inferiors" slightly. Does a 10 Force Impudite of Andre consider Michael to be his inferior? > > > Especially since it could provide a lot of Redemptions > which the Andrealphans > >wouldn't have any warning (i.e. dissonant demons) in time to prevent. > > One of the reasons why Asmodeus has a low opinion of the > Beautiful Prince, > probably. O:> I'm trying to remember if Asmodeus has a favorable opinion of *any* of the Impudite and/or Shal-Mari princes... Randy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:11:21 -0500 From: EDG Subject: RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... At 08:55 AM 1/23/2003 -0500, Finder, Randolph J Mr NGB-ARNG wrote: > > 30 minutes of participating in sexual acts. (From memory!) > >Well doesn't staying there for an hour give them two essence? Nope. Rites are only usable once per day unless explicitly specified. >I'm sure that while the Kama Sutra was made under the auspices of the Hindu >Pantheon that Eli was very interested. The question is whether a servitor of >Eli has ever done the addition work to describe all of the additional things >that can be done with Celestial Forms. The addition of Kyriotates, Cherubim >and Ofanim has got to allow some new things... Yep. Unfortunately, Dominic has the Song of Top-Secret permanently in effect over the entirety of Heaven, so the only copy that hasn't been automatically relegated to the Filing Cabinet of DOOM^H^H^H^HJustice is in the hands of (you guessed it) the remaining Greek gods. > > Yup. It's not _dissonant_, it's just stupid. > >The question is what happens if he cares too much for another demon? Same answer. >The angel. Being Raped *should not* could as a dishonorable act. Being >captured may. Don't forget that Malakim don't get a gold standard when they're using their resonance. The honor and dishonor values come directly from the target of the resonance, not the Malakite. "Being raped" could *easily* be listed as a dishonorable act, if the victim feels that way about it. >True, Probably more so than Creationers. (If a follower of Andrealphus is an >Andrealphite, shouldn't a follower of Eli be an Elite? :) Only if every "belonging to" suffix is identical. A follower of Eli could just as easily be Elish, Elian, Elun, Eli (Elorum in the plural), Eline, Elese, Elivian... the list goes on and on. >And this is an advantage to the Demon *how*? It isn't, necessarily. The example was just to show that Infernal Interventions aren't fixed. >Well, I think you need to tweak "inferiors" slightly. Does a 10 Force >Impudite of Andre consider Michael to be his inferior? Any Impudite (most demons, for that matter) who considers Michael to be his inferior is typically referred to in the past tense. >I'm trying to remember if Asmodeus has a favorable opinion of *any* of the >Impudite and/or Shal-Mari princes... Nope. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:41:53 -0500 From: "Finder, Randolph J Mr NGB-ARNG" Subject: RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... > >Well doesn't staying there for an hour give them two essence? > > Nope. Rites are only usable once per day unless explicitly specified. OK, so a Creationer would be spending more time doing the Horizontal Tango than an Andreaphulite. :) > > > >The question is what happens if he cares too much for another demon? > > Same answer. Though I could see two Andreaphulites caring too much for each other being a good plot seed... > Don't forget that Malakim don't get a gold standard when > they're using > their resonance. The honor and dishonor values come directly > from the > target of the resonance, not the Malakite. Right. The values coming from the Angel seems to be the basis of the Honorites (the Dark Malakim) in someone's writeup... > >True, Probably more so than Creationers. (If a follower of > Andrealphus is an > >Andrealphite, shouldn't a follower of Eli be an Elite? :) > > Only if every "belonging to" suffix is identical. A follower > of Eli could > just as easily be Elish, Elian, Elun, Eli (Elorum in the > plural), Eline, > Elese, Elivian... the list goes on and on. OK, plot seed. Elian Gonzalez (of Cuban boat fame) is a Reliever of Eli. > > >Well, I think you need to tweak "inferiors" slightly. Does a 10 Force > >Impudite of Andre consider Michael to be his inferior? > > Any Impudite (most demons, for that matter) who considers > Michael to be his > inferior is typically referred to in the past tense. Or will be quite quickly. > > >I'm trying to remember if Asmodeus has a favorable opinion > of *any* of the > >Impudite and/or Shal-Mari princes... > > Nope. Seems like half of the Plot Seeds inside of Hell are Game vs. Shal-Mari. Baal, Alemon(sp?) and Saminga really get the short end of the stick... > > -EDG > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:25:22 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... From: "Whistling in the Dark" > > Prodigal, Moe and Myself present, by the good graces of > Robotgirl's pencil, 'the girls.' > > (What scares me is Moe's looks the most *normal.*) She did great work. Thanks for forwarding the address. :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:28:41 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... From: "Janet Anderson" > > *Three* Bright Lilim?! > > I always thought Bright Lilim were incredibly rare. It was originally two Brights and one Malakite, but I wound up bowing to peer pressure. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:34:35 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> State Changes... From: "Josh Moger" > > 2- the Habbalah were still delusional, still demons, but so convinced that > they're angels that they had to fight on Heaven's side in the big one. > > Personally, I vote for #2. That'd be my preferred take on it, as well. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:06:15 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... > It was originally two Brights and one Malakite, but I wound up bowing to > peer pressure. So I suppose this means my Cherub is right out ... Janet Anderson ************************************************* Seraph: What do we want to do if he turns out to be an infernal? Malakite: I'm kinda hoping we don't find that out definitively. Leaving a long string of bodies behind us isn't a really good idea. - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:36:49 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... From: "Janet Anderson" > > > > It was originally two Brights and one Malakite, but I wound up bowing to > > peer pressure. > > So I suppose this means my Cherub is right out ... No reason why it should be; Walter was playing a non-Lilim, after all. It just seemed funnier to have the group all be Brights this go-round. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:23:58 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... At 12:24 PM +0800 1/23/03, Janet Anderson wrote: >*Three* Bright Lilim?! > >I always thought Bright Lilim were incredibly rare. For a oneshot with a premise of "You are in vessels of junior high students, infiltrating at a Halloween party (to discover that the (barely) Pubescent Priestess of PBS is collaborating with Emily Elizabeth Howard, Clifford the Big Red Dog, Max, Emmy, and Dora the Explorer to awaken the figments of the Dragon Tales dragons to full sapience (and hopefully not absorption as dragons _are_ since the Purity Crusade))"... What's wrong with three Bright Lilim? Even if one of them had Intelligence 3 and wasn't all that _bright_ if you know what I mean? Even if she did keep Divine Logicing the Laurencian one. At 12:53 AM -0500 1/23/03, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >When Laurence showed up, he hit the roof over the misallocation of resources. Actually, I think he was sort of torn between being snarked about the misallocation (_he'd_ sent _his_ -- no others needed!), and getting a stress headache because he had a clue about the probable combined Intelligence of you lot being barely more than the Forces of one of you... >It was that sort of game. Hee hee hee. At 10:28 AM -0600 1/23/03, Prodigal wrote: >From: "Janet Anderson" >> >> *Three* Bright Lilim?! >> >> I always thought Bright Lilim were incredibly rare. > >It was originally two Brights and one Malakite, but I wound up bowing to >peer pressure. I hope you weren't distressed by how that worked out? (I dunno, I thought you were keen on getting more free points with Geas Discord... O;> ) - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:36:53 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... At 8:55 AM -0500 1/23/03, Finder, Randolph J Mr NGB-ARNG wrote: [EDG said mostly what I would've... O:> ] >> >Just a little bit. Andre will care if the Demon cares too >> much for the angel >> >even if the dissonance conditions say cares too much for a human... >> >> Yup. It's not _dissonant_, it's just stupid. >The question is what happens if he cares too much for another demon? As said, the same. See also Superiors 2, because there's a paragraph on that. O:> >> I figure that they're each about as interested in "converting the >> other side" as the other. It's something they're quite happy to >> help with if they come across it, but they don't go out of their >> way to try for it. >I tend to think of Asmodeus as being slightly more interested in angels >falling than that, but is there anyone who takes Novalises role of >encouraging celestials to switch sides? Oh, just about everyone else. And Azzie won't _sneer_ at a chance. But he's not the sort to go out of his way to make one -- he (and his minions) are too busy making sure that demons toe the line and abide by the rules. If they find an unstable angel, they're happy to encourage it (though the "arrangements" between Game and Judgment may cause them to back down if a triad confronts them forcefully enough). But they don't, typically, go out of their way to _make_ angels unstable. >> >> I would say not -- the Distinction says, "successfully >> >> seduces an angel." Rape is not seduction [...] >> >> >That sounds about right. Just as having that done to them probably >> >*shouldn't* show up in the dishonorable category for the >> malakite resonance. >> >> Which "them"? >The angel. Being Raped *should not* could as a dishonorable act. Being >captured may. As noted, that depends on the angel. But it's a case of art versus force. Any old Baalite could rape an angel, from Andre's point of view. Making the angel come to the bed, willingly turning from the purity of Heaven to the dark pleasures of the flesh... That serves his Word even better than the intersection of sex and violence. Which, as I noted before, doesn't mean he _doesn't_ condone doing that. But he won't give a Distinction for it (at least not automatically). Other brownie points (Songs, attunements, skills, artifacts, what-have-you), or that combined with some other service (Distinction level), almost definitely. Though he may ask why you didn't invite him. >> (I mean, Andrealphites are pretty used to being tied up and...) >True, Probably more so than Creationers. >(If a follower of Andrealphus is an >Andrealphite, shouldn't a follower of Eli be an Elite? :) Andrealphite/Andralphan, Lustie, etc. It's just one construction. >> >Hmm. Sounds like an infernal intervention for a dark desire >> roll would be to >> >the Demon's disadvantage because Andre would take over... >> >> Well, if that's what the GM decides the Infernal Intervention means. >> >> It might mean Lucifer shows up and whisks the angel away, after all. >> >> *smirk* >And this is an advantage to the Demon *how*? Who said it was an advantage to the demon? It's just another Infernal Intervention result that might make the players nervous and the GM smirk. *smirk* >> One could either rationalize it as "don't care for your >> inferiors" (which >> is about how _Andre_ seems to act, considering his treatment >> of his own >> "favored" minions), or "don't care for humans -- 'cause >> that's what stupid >> fluffwings do." >> >> Or both... >Well, I think you need to tweak "inferiors" slightly. Does a 10 Force >Impudite of Andre consider Michael to be his inferior? Exactly -- _humans_ are inferior to celestials (ask any demon), so that's why it's dissonant to like humans. Care about Michael all you want. Though, ah, if you try to defect, Andre will be snarked. >I'm trying to remember if Asmodeus has a favorable opinion of *any* of the >Impudite and/or Shal-Mari princes... That would be a no. And he _really_ hates Valefor. - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:45:37 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... At 12:36 PM -0600 1/23/03, Prodigal wrote: >From: "Janet Anderson" >> > >> > It was originally two Brights and one Malakite, but I wound up bowing to >> > peer pressure. >> >> So I suppose this means my Cherub is right out ... > >No reason why it should be; Walter was playing a non-Lilim, after all. It >just seemed funnier to have the group all be Brights this go-round. Besides, if someone else runs, I'm strongly considering doing a Kyriotate of Flowers! *insert manic cackle of glee* Even though Moe hates Seraphim of Flowers. *manic giggling* - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2942 ********************************