in_nomine-digest Thursday, January 23 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2943 In this digest: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... RE: IN> Relievers? (was: Three hours of exercise...) Re: IN> Relievers? (was: Three hours of exercise...) Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... RE: IN> Relievers? (was: Three hours of exercise...) RE: IN> Relievers? (was: Three hours of exercise...) Re: IN> Relievers? (was: Three hours of exercise...) RE: IN> Relievers? (was: Three hours of exercise...) Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... RE: IN> Relievers? (was: Three hours of exercise...) Re: IN> The Place: Arisia. Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... RE: IN> Relievers? (was: Three hours of exercise...) RE: IN> Relievers? What to call them Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... RE: IN> Relievers? IN> By any other name... (was: Three hours of exercise...) IN> How to convince a Lustie that "No" means "No" (was: Three hours of exercise...) RE: IN> Relievers? Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... RE: IN> Relievers? Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... RE: IN> Relievers? (was: Three hours of exercise...) Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... Re: IN> How to convince a Lustie that "No" means "No" (was: Three hours of exercise...) Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:55:58 -0800 From: "Phillip DesJardins" Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... > Even though Moe hates Seraphim of Flowers. I always thought that attunement was a little unbalanced. I thought maybe it would work better as a penalty equal to their Celestial Forces to anyone in a range equal to their total Forces to the will roll, no reduction for range. That way the average human will be incapable of violence in their presence, but most celestials will be able to shake it off in one or two tries. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:04:11 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... From: "Elizabeth McCoy" > > > >When Laurence showed up, he hit the roof over the misallocation of resources. > > Actually, I think he was sort of torn between being snarked about > the misallocation (_he'd_ sent _his_ -- no others needed!), and > getting a stress headache because he had a clue about the probable > combined Intelligence of you lot being barely more than the Forces > of one of you... If you don't count Moonshadow, sure. ;;;p > >It was originally two Brights and one Malakite, but I wound up bowing to > >peer pressure. > > I hope you weren't distressed by how that worked out? Not at all; it wound up being a lot funnier that way (which would be appropriate enough, considering who wound up calling in a Favor from my character, neh?) > (I dunno, I thought you were keen on getting more free points with > Geas Discord... O;> ) I did indulge my inner Munchkin more than a bit with those Geasa, true. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:19:54 -0500 From: "Finder, Randolph J Mr NGB-ARNG" Subject: RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... > >The question is what happens if he cares too much for another demon? > > As said, the same. See also Superiors 2, because there's a paragraph > on that. O:> I will if I can find it. :) > >I tend to think of Asmodeus as being slightly more > interested in angels > >falling than that, but is there anyone who takes Novalises role of > >encouraging celestials to switch sides? > > Oh, just about everyone else. And Azzie won't _sneer_ at a chance. > But he's not the sort to go out of his way to make one -- he (and > his minions) are too busy making sure that demons toe the line and > abide by the rules. Though perhaps not canon. Azzie seems to care (yes, I know he is a Djinn) more about the ones who switched sides successfully than Dominic... > >The angel. Being Raped *should not* could as a dishonorable > act. Being > >captured may. > > As noted, that depends on the angel. But it's a case of art > versus force. > Any old Baalite could rape an angel, from Andre's point of > view. Making > the angel come to the bed, willingly turning from the purity of Heaven > to the dark pleasures of the flesh... That serves his Word > even better > than the intersection of sex and violence. Rape as a crime *of* violence rather than seduction... > > Which, as I noted before, doesn't mean he _doesn't_ condone > doing that. > But he won't give a Distinction for it (at least not automatically). > Other brownie points (Songs, attunements, skills, artifacts, > what-have-you), > or that combined with some other service (Distinction level), almost > definitely. Makes one almost want to have an Elohite vessel... :) > > Though he may ask why you didn't invite him. And he may even share with the invitee. :) > Who said it was an advantage to the demon? It's just another > Infernal Intervention result that might make the players nervous > and the GM smirk. > > *smirk* Yup. Interventions give the GM a chance to be *creative*! > >Well, I think you need to tweak "inferiors" slightly. Does a 10 Force > >Impudite of Andre consider Michael to be his inferior? > > Exactly -- _humans_ are inferior to celestials (ask any demon), so > that's why it's dissonant to like humans. Which however loops us back to the topic of last week. If *all* humans are inferior to Celestials, what the heck is Lilith doing walking around Hell. And if *one* human is superior to a demon... > > Care about Michael all you want. > > Though, ah, if you try to defect, Andre will be snarked. Agreed. Though can you imagine walking up to a Tether and saying you want to be redeemed because you are in Love with the Archangel of War? I would think the redemption would be done by Jean becuase anyone except an Eholite AA would end up laughing during the redemption.. > > >I'm trying to remember if Asmodeus has a favorable opinion > of *any* of the > >Impudite and/or Shal-Mari princes... > > That would be a no. And he _really_ hates Valefor. Asmodeus is all about rules and Valefor is all about ignoring inconvenient ones. :) Randy > > -- > --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine > Line Editor > http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:19:02 -0800 From: "Phillip DesJardins" Subject: Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... > Which however loops us back to the topic of last week. If *all* humans are > inferior to Celestials, what the heck is Lilith doing walking around Hell. > And if *one* human is superior to a demon... Which is why she enjoys a very tentative position in Hell. She's the original Special Case: A human who has proven herself to be selfish enough and capable enough to impress the Lightbringer himself and profit from it. I imagine most of Hell would like it much better to have her (after all, the idea of owning the Princess of Freedom would appeal to the heart of any demon), but she's too influencial to make a grab for. Hmm... plot seed material: Demon Prince Of Choice begins trying to play Lilith's game of bargaining with her as his goal. Phillip, Mercurian of Novalis The Happy Shiny Mercurian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:21:31 -0500 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... Finder, Randolph wrote: "Which however loops us back to the topic of last week. If *all* humans are inferior to Celestials, what the heck is Lilith doing walking around Hell." Annoying vast numbers of demons, I'm sure. Even the Princes that she's offically allied with may regard her as no more than Lucifer's pet, with a valuable monopoly on Lilim manufacture; thus it's wise to play nice with her. It doesn't follow they respect her or like her. They probably don't *like* *anybody*. They're damned spirits, after all. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:29:32 -0500 From: EDG Subject: RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... At 03:19 PM 1/23/2003 -0500, Finder, Randolph J Mr NGB-ARNG wrote: >I will if I can find it. :) http://www.warehouse23.com if your FLGS is being obstinate. >Though perhaps not canon. Azzie seems to care (yes, I know he is a Djinn) >more about the ones who switched sides successfully than Dominic... Dominic wants his Fallen angels back. Asmodeus wants his redeemed demons *dead*. Here's why: A Fallen angel can be rehabilitated. A redeemed demon has already demonstrated himself to be untrustworthy, and has probably bled all of the secrets he knows out in a Dominican interrogation chamber. >Rape as a crime *of* violence rather than seduction... Let's stop this topic right here. >Yup. Interventions give the GM a chance to be *creative*! Unless you're in Moe's game, in which case Interventions (positive or negative) give the GM a chance to say "What, *again*?". >Which however loops us back to the topic of last week. If *all* humans are >inferior to Celestials, what the heck is Lilith doing walking around Hell. >And if *one* human is superior to a demon... Lilith is superior to the demons because Lucifer Said So. Any demon who questions Lucifer's word will shortly be joining the ranks of the ones who think Michael is inferior. >Agreed. Though can you imagine walking up to a Tether and saying you want to >be redeemed because you are in Love with the Archangel of War? I would think >the redemption would be done by Jean becuase anyone except an Eholite AA >would end up laughing during the redemption.. Not if it's True. >Asmodeus is all about rules and Valefor is all about ignoring inconvenient >ones. :) That and the fact that ... well, you don't want to ask anywhere where Asmodeus or any of his many, many agents might even conceivably be able to hear you about what happened to the Prince of the Game's favorite Snoopy blan %(I&U^KRMFYTEW^$*#&%$^O)&*^Y\ NO CARRIER ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:08:47 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Shih Subject: RE: IN> Relievers? (was: Three hours of exercise...) - --- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 8:55 AM -0500 1/23/03, Finder, Randolph J Mr > NGB-ARNG wrote: > >(If a follower of Andrealphus is an > >Andrealphite, shouldn't a follower of Eli be an > Elite? :) Or should that be "31337"? > Care about Michael all you want. And down in Shal-Mari, Michael's hordes of drooling fangirls defend his honor against their worst enemies: Laurence's fangirls. "Michael is so cooler than Laurence!" "Is not!" "Is too!" "Is not!" *thunk* "Ow! That's cheating!" "Like I said, Michael is cooler than Laurence!" "And this concludes our evening of 'Lilim Jello-Wrestling Grudge Match'!" On a completely different topic, how do relievers fledge? Is it sudden, or do they slowly grow into a choir as they gain forces? Do you have cute little 8-force relievers bopping around saying "I'm gonna be a Malakite! See, I've already got my very first oath-chain!" - -Jennifer __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:28:35 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Relievers? (was: Three hours of exercise...) >> >(If a follower of Andrealphus is an >> >Andrealphite, shouldn't a follower of Eli be an >> Elite? :) > >Or should that be "31337"? > Well, the Andrealphites are also known as Lusties, but that's beside the point. 31337 would only fit Discord ridden (Hmm....) servitors of Technology and the odd Creationer IST Lightning. Because only Creationers could get away with it and survive Jean's LOOK. Oh yes, the Superior Elohite LOOK. Every single stifled emotion focused into one glare. Fear the LOOK. >> Care about Michael all you want. > >And down in Shal-Mari, Michael's hordes of drooling >fangirls defend his honor against their worst enemies: >Laurence's fangirls. > >"Michael is so cooler than Laurence!" >"Is not!" >"Is too!" >"Is not!" >*thunk* >"Ow! That's cheating!" >"Like I said, Michael is cooler than Laurence!" > >"And this concludes our evening of 'Lilim >Jello-Wrestling Grudge Match'!" > >On a completely different topic, how do relievers >fledge? Is it sudden, or do they slowly grow into a >choir as they gain forces? Do you have cute little >8-force relievers bopping around saying "I'm gonna be >a Malakite! See, I've already got my very first >oath-chain!" > >-Jennifer > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:19:21 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... At 2:04 PM -0600 1/23/03, Prodigal wrote: >From: "Elizabeth McCoy" [Laurence] >> getting a stress headache because he had a clue about the probable >> combined Intelligence of you lot being barely more than the Forces >> of one of you... > >If you don't count Moonshadow, sure. ;;;p Hey, you're the one who nailed his Servitor with the Song of Entropy -- he probably wasn't feeling charitable at the time. O:> >> I hope you weren't distressed by how that worked out? > >Not at all; it wound up being a lot funnier that way (which would be >appropriate enough, considering who wound up calling in a Favor from my >character, neh?) Hai! >> (I dunno, I thought you were keen on getting more free points with >> Geas Discord... O;> ) > >I did indulge my inner Munchkin more than a bit with those Geasa, true. You're just lucky you didn't do that in a _campaign_ of mine... O:> - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:29:51 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: RE: IN> Three hours of exercise... At 3:19 PM -0500 1/23/03, Finder, Randolph J Mr NGB-ARNG wrote: >> >The question is what happens if he cares too much for another demon? >> >> As said, the same. See also Superiors 2, because there's a paragraph >> on that. O:> >I will if I can find it. :) www.warehouse23.com, at the very worst! O;D >> Oh, just about everyone else. And Azzie won't _sneer_ at a chance. >> But he's not the sort to go out of his way to make one -- he (and >> his minions) are too busy making sure that demons toe the line and >> abide by the rules. >Though perhaps not canon. Azzie seems to care (yes, I know he is a Djinn) >more about the ones who switched sides successfully than Dominic... Oh, Dominic cares. But given the choice of "go after the ones who Fell" or "police the ones who haven't," he'll pick the latter to spend his resources on. Asmodeus, on the other hand, doesn't have "rehabilitate" in his vocabulary. He has "make an Example so no other demon dares follow in this one's footsteps." This means that he'd like to get redeemed back in his clutches so that he can show, "See? Even if you run to Heaven, we will find you, we will take you in the night, and we will kill you slowly till you beg for the mercy of final death -- which we will give only when it pleases _us._" They are doing the same thing, sort of -- policing their side -- but with different tools. [Lust and forcing angels] >> Though he may ask why you didn't invite him. >And he may even share with the invitee. :) After he's _done_, at least. Or with whichever part he's not using. >> >Well, I think you need to tweak "inferiors" slightly. Does a 10 Force >> >Impudite of Andre consider Michael to be his inferior? >> >> Exactly -- _humans_ are inferior to celestials (ask any demon), so >> that's why it's dissonant to like humans. >Which however loops us back to the topic of last week. If *all* humans are >inferior to Celestials, what the heck is Lilith doing walking around Hell. >And if *one* human is superior to a demon... It might very well be unwise for demons of Lust to care about _Lilith_! I'm sure that Andre very carefully doesn't examine the quandary that Lilith represents. He probably thinks of her as Lucifer's mistress, and therefore to be treated as something akin to an equal -- not because of what she is (bah, human, even if a pretty thing he'd love to be able to use as he sees fit), but because of who she knows, and what bits of anatomy of that person she has hold of. The Andre/Lilith alliance that exists today undoubtedly has many places where they Just Don't Go, forged over many stressful encounters. In the early days, it was undoubtedly much rockier. (Indeed, in the SSO, there was a lot of much more hostile interaction, and at least one well-placed knee to remind someone that even Demon Princes should be careful when trying to corner a Superior...) >> Care about Michael all you want. >> Though, ah, if you try to defect, Andre will be snarked. >Agreed. Though can you imagine walking up to a Tether and saying you want to >be redeemed because you are in Love with the Archangel of War? Mikey's a Seraph -- if you _were_, and it was True, he'd probably be touched. (And some of his own people might even sympathize!) >Asmodeus is all about rules and Valefor is all about ignoring inconvenient >ones. :) Which would be, for Valefor, just about all of them... - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:35:34 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: RE: IN> Relievers? (was: Three hours of exercise...) At 1:08 PM -0800 1/23/03, Jennifer Shih wrote: I missed seeing you at Arisia!!! O:< >--- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> At 8:55 AM -0500 1/23/03, Finder, Randolph J Mr >> NGB-ARNG wrote: >> >(If a follower of Andrealphus is an >> >Andrealphite, shouldn't a follower of Eli be an >> Elite? :) > >Or should that be "31337"? *pause* ******GRRRRRROOOOOOOAAAAANNNNNN****** >And down in Shal-Mari, Michael's hordes of drooling >fangirls defend his honor against their worst enemies: >Laurence's fangirls. [...] >"And this concludes our evening of 'Lilim >Jello-Wrestling Grudge Match'!" *groan* What about fangirls for Janus? Or David? Or Marc? >On a completely different topic, how do relievers >fledge? Is it sudden, or do they slowly grow into a >choir as they gain forces? Do you have cute little >8-force relievers bopping around saying "I'm gonna be >a Malakite! See, I've already got my very first >oath-chain!" *giggle* In my games, it's closer to the latter (though they don't get _actual_ oath-chains till fledging) -- little pre-Seraphim are butterfly-winged snakes (with maybe a few more eyes than 2...), while a proto-Cherub might look a bit like a butterfly-winged wolfman (about waist-height). Beginning Malakim would run around with toy swords and black butterfly wings. (There's also, in my universe, a Boa Constrictor Cherub of Judgment who explains, "Don't be indecisive when fledging.") Though someone who somehow manages to get to 9 without deciding might indeed make a very sudden choice all at the end. (Possibly to Kyriotate -- clearly they appreciate all the angles!) (And then there's Kathriel, who fledged Malakite but was thinking about Elohite... This may explain some things about her. But that's SSO.) - -- - --Beth's SSO .sig: (Want to hear more about the Superior Soap Opera? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IN-SoapOpera ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:37:11 -0500 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: IN> Relievers? (was: Three hours of exercise...) My impression from the fan fiction on the list is that relievers fledge pretty suddenly, in a matter of minutes or seconds. They may give indications beforehand of what their choir is going to be -- e.g. a pre-Malakite may have black butterfly wings, a pre-Elohite may be short on hair and very composed, etc. How this works for future Kyrios and Ophanim, I can't imagine. Cherubim and Seraphim pose problems, too. "Look, it's an Ewok with butterfly wings!" "No, it's a future cherub." I don't know if the APG, or any other piece of canon, touches on these details. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:50:56 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Relievers? (was: Three hours of exercise...) You see, this is what happens when I get distracted while writing a post- I was going to comment on the next sections in the last one, sorry for the two posts. >>"And this concludes our evening of 'Lilim >>Jello-Wrestling Grudge Match'!" >> ::places face in hands, shakes head:: >>On a completely different topic, how do relievers >>fledge? Is it sudden, or do they slowly grow into a >>choir as they gain forces? Do you have cute little >>8-force relievers bopping around saying "I'm gonna be >>a Malakite! See, I've already got my very first >>oath-chain!" >> >>-Jennifer >> While that is incredibly cute, and the images of schools of chibi Seraphim, petting zoos of chibi Cherubim, will-o-the-wisps of chibi Ofanim, patches of chibi Kyriotates are making me kinda giddy right now (o^_^o), I think that Relievers are just general winged creatures up to 8 Forces (though I might actually be canonically wrong there). I do love the idea of lil Malakim running around with swords and black butterfly wings. "What's your first oath?" "Never suffer an eviw to wive" "And your second oath?" "Never suwwender or be captured by the forces of Wucifer." "And what do you think your third oath with be?" "Uhmm... stop trying to poke Dominic's angels with my sword?" He he hee... Josh ^_^' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:56:27 -0500 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: IN> Relievers? (was: Three hours of exercise...) I have complained several times on this list about the name "reliever." It's just so blah. I have suggested alternatives, but they all got shot down. I was told: "Angeletto" sounded like something served from a dessert cart in Hell. ("Got any Chunky Cherub?") "Angelisco" sounded like a cookie. (It's Greek.) "Angelicule" sounded like something that would get infected if you squeezed it. So how about "sprite"? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 05:58:43 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... > Besides, if someone else runs, I'm strongly considering doing a > Kyriotate of Flowers! *insert manic cackle of glee* > > Even though Moe hates Seraphim of Flowers. I'm with Moe on this one. Janet Anderson (IMC, that attunement means no one can be violent toward the *angel* without a Will roll.) ************************************************* Seraph: What do we want to do if he turns out to be an infernal? Malakite: I'm kinda hoping we don't find that out definitively. Leaving a long string of bodies behind us isn't a really good idea. - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:02:27 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... From: "Elizabeth McCoy" > > > >If you don't count Moonshadow, sure. ;;;p > > Hey, you're the one who nailed his Servitor with the Song of Entropy -- Twice! 0:) > he probably wasn't feeling charitable at the time. O:> Duly noted. > >> (I dunno, I thought you were keen on getting more free points with > >> Geas Discord... O;> ) > > > >I did indulge my inner Munchkin more than a bit with those Geasa, true. > > You're just lucky you didn't do that in a _campaign_ of mine... O:> If it were for a campaign, I might have even taken more for the sheer comedy/agnst value. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:20:31 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN> Relievers? (was: Three hours of exercise...) - --- "Wajenberg, Earl" wrote: > I have complained several times on this list about the > name "reliever." > It's just so blah. I have suggested alternatives, but > they all got shot down. Hey, I actually liked angeletto (pl.: angeletti). And angelisco does sound like a cookie... but with the connotation of cookies on this list, how is that bad? 0:> =====

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__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:24:57 -0500 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> The Place: Arisia. At 09:55 -0500 01/20/2003, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >Jodi. Moonshadow. Whatever the Swordie was called. 3 Bright Lilim. 1 >Junior High School. And one PC kitsune (using the EPG rules -- a primal Deception spirit) who was *definitely* in the wrong place at the wrong time. At least when Superiors started showing up. Exit, stage right. As fast as possible. Too bad he didn't have time to convince the angels he was Judgement. That would have been *very* amusing. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:46:48 -0500 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... At 12:24 +0800 01/23/2003, Janet Anderson wrote: >*Three* Bright Lilim?! > >I always thought Bright Lilim were incredibly rare. At least it wasn't *four*, despite comments about an "all Bright-Lilim game". It didn't start out that way, but somehow it just *had* to happen. Maybe Moe is a mobile Tether of Dark Humor. Considering what happened in the game, this seems entirely too plausible.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:59:50 -0500 From: Walter Milliken Subject: RE: IN> Relievers? (was: Three hours of exercise...) At 16:56 -0500 01/23/2003, Wajenberg, Earl wrote: >I have complained several times on this list about the name "reliever." >It's just so blah. I have suggested alternatives, but they all got shot >down. I was told: ... >So how about "sprite"? Sounds too ethereal. Or maybe too fizzy.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:07:59 +0100 (CET) From: Unni Solaas Subject: RE: IN> Relievers? What to call them On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Walter Milliken wrote: > >So how about "sprite"? > > Sounds too ethereal. Or maybe too fizzy.... > I'm stealing from German here (or quasi-German): Engeling or Engling, meaning 'little angel'. - -- language, n; an intangible artificial construct for obscuring one's meanings and intentions to others. -ppint. Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:11:26 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 05:46 PM, Walter Milliken wrote: > At 12:24 +0800 01/23/2003, Janet Anderson wrote: >> *Three* Bright Lilim?! >> >> I always thought Bright Lilim were incredibly rare. > > At least it wasn't *four*, despite comments about an "all Bright-Lilim > game". > Well, *someone* in that room was being incredibly cagy about who he was and what he was doing... and rightfully so, now that I look at it.... - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:16:03 -0800 From: Harukami Subject: RE: IN> Relievers? >"Angelicule" sounded like something that would get infected if you squeezed >it. > >So how about "sprite"? No, that's a nickname for a particular branch of Asmodean Imps... Game Sprites! [runs] Haru - ---- "I wish I knew what we were being kept so long *for*..." [To be concluded when the Malakim come knocking.] Just then, there is a knock on the door. [.........I hate you so much. ^^] http://haru_in.tripod.com/ Haru's IN page: Game logs, art, and fiction. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:37:01 -0500 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> By any other name... (was: Three hours of exercise...) >>> True, Probably more so than Creationers. (If a follower of Andrealphus is >>> an Andrealphite, shouldn't a follower of Eli be an Elite? :) >> >> Only if every "belonging to" suffix is identical. A follower of Eli could >> just as easily be Elish, Elian, Elun, Eli (Elorum in the plural), Eline, >> Elese, Elivian... the list goes on and on. > > OK, plot seed. Elian Gonzalez (of Cuban boat fame) is a Reliever of Eli. A Cherubim of Creation could be an Eel-oid. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:37:01 -0500 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> How to convince a Lustie that "No" means "No" (was: Three hours of exercise...) >> (I mean, Andrealphites are pretty used to being tied up and...) > > True, Probably more so than Creationers. Well, I just got tired of it. That's why I've got a porcupine vessel. The Song of Spines would have much the same effect, but you'd still be tied up. Besides, a pair of chisel teeth can cause great dismay in any celestial who's vessel's "parts" are where they shouldn't be. (That's what they call a "Frontier Vasectomy.") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:37:45 -0800 From: Harukami Subject: RE: IN> Relievers? >>So how about "sprite"? Seriously, though, I personally like the term 'relievers'. See, I (having come from a Latin class this morning), was debating the Latin roots behind 'Servitor.' (Which is of course the closest English can come to its Helltongue/Celestial equivalent. ^_~ Meaning that the *connotations* of translation are important.) The obvious Latin root is 'Servus', which is the term for a male slave. A 'servitor' has the 'tor' ending with the implication of 'one who serves', so it's a non-slave version of the word 'servus'. The word for a female slave is 'ancilla', from which we get our English term 'ancillary' or 'a relief worker'. So a 'reliver' could be a non-slave version of the term 'ancilla'. (Of course, the Celestial terms far predate Latin, and I'm sure that these things were 'slipped' into the Latin language by careless Celestials. ^_~) ...this has also lead me to consider very very stupid 'Celestial-based Latin verbs'. Like Impudo, Impudare, Impudedi, Impudatum - "To steal essence". And Calabo, Calabire, Calabeti, Calabitum - "To blow things up real good." Harukami - ---- "I wish I knew what we were being kept so long *for*..." [To be concluded when the Malakim come knocking.] Just then, there is a knock on the door. [.........I hate you so much. ^^] http://haru_in.tripod.com/ Haru's IN page: Game logs, art, and fiction. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:32:17 -0800 From: "Joey's mail" Subject: Re: IN> Three hours of exercise... > > > matters) > > > > I think Eli would object because it's a demon. Andrealphus, > > on the other hand, will be delighted, and will give the > > Impudite a distinction which he always gives to any servitor > > of his who successfully sleeps with an angel. > How is the Distinction written? > > If a Servitor of Andre is involved in a Fight where an angel is knocked > unconcious or otherwise bound and the demon has his way with the unwilling > angel, does that count? > Nope. Andre hates forced sex--he finds it tacky. His entry in the core rules book SPECIFICLY states that seduction is required. However, if the Lustie trapped the demon, and slowly worked his will on the angel, until he got the angel to give in....well, that would be worth a distinction. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:52:55 -0500 From: EDG Subject: RE: IN> Relievers? At 06:37 PM 1/23/2003 -0800, Harukami wrote: >And Calabo, Calabire, Calabeti, Calabitum - "To blow things up real good." Which, of course, makes calabite (kah lah bee tay) the present plural infinitive: You (all) shall blow things up real good. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:53:36 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... - --- Walter Milliken wrote: > It didn't start out that way, but somehow it just > *had* to happen. Maybe > Moe is a mobile Tether of Dark Humor. That's mobile Tether of *Heresy*, thankyouverymuch.* ;) Moe *Even considering the fact that I got to be party punching bag, I had a blast and a half. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 01/21/03 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:11:06 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... From: "Maurice Lane" > > *Even considering the fact that I got to be party > punching bag, I had a blast and a half. :) That's two blasts of Celesteal Entropy, to be precise. And if Moonshadow can just find the right angle for convincing Eli to undo the switch Novalis hit her with... *eg* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:10:13 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: RE: IN> Relievers? (was: Three hours of exercise...) At 4:56 PM -0500 1/23/03, Wajenberg, Earl wrote: >I have complained several times on this list about the name "reliever." Yes, we know. No, I'm not going to change it. EDG, is there any way to make "I hate name X, I think it should be Y" a FAQ? Either that, or in the 'dead horses' file. We can add new names to it as they accrue. (Let's see... The plural of Lilim is another one that's come up a few times, too. Someone who has a list could post that, for use in the Dead Horses file, so it will be in a single place that can have a URL pointer made.) - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:18:22 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... At 4:02 PM -0600 1/23/03, Prodigal wrote: >From: "Elizabeth McCoy" >> Hey, you're the one who nailed his Servitor with the Song of Entropy -- > >Twice! 0:) Yes, but the second time was after he showed up. While he was dancing with Novalis, remember? >> >I did indulge my inner Munchkin more than a bit with those Geasa, true. >> >> You're just lucky you didn't do that in a _campaign_ of mine... O:> > >If it were for a campaign, I might have even taken more for the sheer >comedy/agnst value. *SNRK* I'd have been obligated to make your life a living nightmare, you know... At 3:53 PM -0800 1/23/03, Maurice Lane wrote: >*Even considering the fact that I got to be party >punching bag, I had a blast and a half. :) You _were_ the one asking if the 13-year-old-or-so sorceress had met her destiny or not... - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:16:34 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> How to convince a Lustie that "No" means "No" (was: Three hours of exercise...) At 6:37 PM -0500 1/23/03, BC Petery wrote: >>> (I mean, Andrealphites are pretty used to being tied up and...) >> >> True, Probably more so than Creationers. > >Well, I just got tired of it. That's why I've got a porcupine vessel. All right, how many people read Pratchett and are thinking of the song of, "The Hedgehog can never be...." - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:14:17 -0800 From: "Joey's mail" Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Anderson" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:24 PM Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... > *Three* Bright Lilim?! > > I always thought Bright Lilim were incredibly rare. > > > Janet Anderson > > > In Nomine: Anime stated that they'd be more common in an Anime-Style game, since they can be GREAT Anime stereotypes, as you can probably judge from the pictures...(GRINS.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:38:19 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> It's like a rorschach test gone horribly wrong.... On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 07:11 PM, Prodigal wrote: > From: "Maurice Lane" >> >> *Even considering the fact that I got to be party >> punching bag, I had a blast and a half. :) > > That's two blasts of Celesteal Entropy, to be precise. > And two applications of Divine Logic. A Bright Lilim who can talk you into anything is a dangerous, dangerous thing. > And if Moonshadow can just find the right angle for convincing Eli to > undo > the switch Novalis hit her with... *eg* > > ...then Eli will probably have a master plan Moonshadow can't begin to conceive of.... - -- Eric A. Burns Freelance Writer and Textual Whore http://www.annotations.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2943 ********************************