in_nomine-digest Sunday, February 2 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2953 In this digest: IN> Word of Stereotypes IN> Not exactly Mind Control... (was: Answers make more questions) RE: IN>Answers make more questions (was Re: IN> Ascending Headaches) Re: IN> House rules I use, plus a question. IN> I didn't ever want to see this again. Re: IN> I didn't ever want to see this again. Re: IN> [Attunement] Training Sequence Re: IN> House rules I use, plus a question. Re: IN> House rules I use, plus a question. Re: IN> Word of Stereotypes Re: IN> I didn't ever want to see this again. Re: IN> Word of Stereotypes IN> Request for explanation. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:10:43 -0500 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Word of Stereotypes > An Angel of Stereotypes Who would, no doubt, emphasize "Variety is the spice of life" and "Strength through diversity" philosophies. Serving Flowers in opposition to Factions? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:10:42 -0500 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Not exactly Mind Control... (was: Answers make more questions) > Stuff gets blown up, stuff gets shot, and society assumes > that it's just "normal" explosions and shootings. (The FNORD light is on.) A joint project by the War, Technology and Media. Angels' brains/E-Forces wired into a VR machine so all Hell can see what a bunch of savage bastards angels are. And study their tactics. (The FNORD light is on. Somewhere. All the time.) (Whether you like it or not.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:11:36 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: RE: IN>Answers make more questions (was Re: IN> Ascending Headaches) At 2:14 AM -0500 1/31/03, Chris Bergstresser wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elizabeth McCoy >> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 5:06 PM >> >> Hmmm. I'm pretty sure it's implicit in the material in the core rules -- >> you can descend to any point on Earth you've ascended from, you can >> descend down a Tether, and you can follow someone else. You can also >> be _put_ somewhere by your Superior. > > Oh, er, is that *any* point you've ascended from, or the *last* point >you've ascended from? Sorry, I meant _Last_ point, yes. The rest of it was more like, I think in my demented brain, Any point... A: you've last ascended from B: is down a Tether C: follows someone else. I think. Or else I just brainfried. I was feeling fried. *sigh* Good catch. - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:09:37 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> House rules I use, plus a question. At 9:50 PM -0500 1/30/03, William J. Keith wrote: >I'm trying out some GURPS Sorcery rules (mum on source). *chuckle* How are they working? - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 12:58:16 -0500 From: EDG Subject: IN> I didn't ever want to see this again. With apologies to Douglas Adams. I had an entirely different direction for this when I started. I don't mean to present it as fine prose; it's just a simple, short reaction piece. - -EDG There was a terrible ghastly silence. There was a terrible ghastly noise. There was a terrible ghastly silence. To those who did not know, the noise was over in an instant. A burst of light, the sound of a thousand drums striking as one, and then silence in the warm morning air. To those who knew, the same sound took an eternity to end. One of those who knew looked up and shielded his eyes. He watched, and waited for the end. When it was finished, he turned to his companion, opened his mouth - but the companion spoke first. "They did not suffer." The mind of the first, the shorter, the younger, worked on this for a moment. "Where will they go? Will they continue to not suffer?" "Just so," replied the elder, the taller. "They rode a creature of stone and fire, driven by dreams and destiny as much as any corporeal fuel." "But why this? Why now?" "It would be convenient to ascribe this to our opponents, here and elsewhere. It would be convenient to ascribe this to metaphysics, seven dying on the first day of the second month of the third year of the new millennium. All of this is merely speculation, however. It is possible that we will never know." "They might tell us." "We will never ask them," replied the elder in a quiet voice. "Why not?" "They do not have the benefits we do. They do not have a period of reflection and recovery. They must immediately, consciously greet their deaths. In the beginning they will be overwhelmed. In the future, it will never be our place to ask them to relive those moments. Should they choose to do so, then we might learn. But we will never ask them." "A matter of respect." "Just so," replied the elder. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 13:24:47 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> I didn't ever want to see this again. It took me a few seconds to realize what you were talking about. Good tribute. Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:44:53 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> [Attunement] Training Sequence Heh. But somehow the scene doesn't look right if Neo turns to Morpheus and says, "I know accounting." =====

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Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:57:05 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> House rules I use, plus a question. - --- Rampaging Crypto-Man wrote: > I'm curious -- what house rules do ya'all use? The CD of a successful Dodge roll gets subtracted from the TN of the attacker's hit roll. A 333 is an Ethereal Intervention. This only works in the Far Marches (where it represents the attention of the Pagan God whose domain is closest) or in a dreamscape (where it represents the action of the dreamer's subconscious). Word-bound can't impose their Dissonance conditions, but they can make the voluntary acceptance of those conditions a prerequisite for getting their Rites. Which means that anyone who has Rites from a Word-bound demon has an extra Dissonance condition. };> =====

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Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:59:06 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> House rules I use, plus a question. - --- Kish wrote: > 3) Jordi's Malakim are cats, and Cherubim are dogs, > rather than the other way around. This makes perfect sense what with canines being social animals and felines being solitary (with the exception of lions, of course). =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 14:07:39 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Word of Stereotypes - --- G n e z d a wrote: > Hey, I was wondering, if there was a Word of Stereotypes, > would it be angelic or infernal? Keeping in mind that the English word is not a perfect translation of the celestial Word, I'd make Stereotypes an infernal Word and set Archetypes as its angelic counterpart. The one is about judging people based on limited (and not necessarily accurate) information while the other is about exemplifying specific virtues. From that standpoint Stereotypes is probably a Word under Factions and would work well for a Balseraph. Archetypes is a perfect Word for a Malakite and could fit under the Sword, Stone or Destiny. =====

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Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 17:19:56 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Word of Stereotypes > > Keeping in mind that the English word is not a perfect >translation of the celestial Word, I'd make Stereotypes an >infernal Word and set Archetypes as its angelic >counterpart. That distinction really works. A Balseraph would easily delude himself into believing the Stereotypes he then resonates upon others (Isn't that what Balprop is all about?) while a Malakite really would be a good upholder of Archetypes. Personally, I'd put the former under Media, though he's an ancient Balseraph, and formally worked for Sloth. The latter would be a relatively new Malakite of Stone that's is resisting a temptation of cyncism. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 14:24:29 -0500 From: EDG Subject: IN> Request for explanation. I discovered last night, when looking up a date in the GMG, that one of my basic assumptions about the timeline was incorrect. I had presumed that God had forbidden angels to interfere on Earth either after the Eden Experiment or at the Fall, and had raised that restriction when the demons were loosed about six thousand years later. Imagine my surprise when I found out that this ban only actually lasted 375 Earth years, from the end of Eden to the Fall. I can't figure out a justification for lifting the ban at the Fall, unless I presume that God *didn't know* that the rebels had been locked away - something that I'm not ready to assume that canon presumes. I can, however, easily justify letting the angels back onto Earth when the demons are loosed from Hell - the angels are needed to defend the humans. However, canon doesn't support this viewpoint. Would someone please explain to me why God lifted the ban after 375 years, and immediately after a full third of his angels had demonstrated that they couldn't be trusted? - -Chris ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2953 ********************************