in_nomine-digest Monday, February 3 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2954 In this digest: Re: IN> Request for explanation. Re: IN> Request for explanation. Re: IN> Request for explanation. IN> Follow-up on Plot seed, part 1 IN> Request for explanation. IN> Fiction: A Word Re: IN> Fiction: A Word Re: IN> Request for explanation. Re: IN> Follow-up on Plot seed, part 1 Re: IN> Fiction: A Word Re: IN> Fiction: A Word IN> Fic: All Flesh Re: IN> House rules I use, plus a question. Re: IN> Fic: All Flesh Re: IN> Fic: All Flesh Re: IN> Fic: All Flesh (and new material) Re: IN> Fiction: A Word Re: IN> Fiction: A Word IN> This is all SD's fault. IN> Silly, powerful artifact Re: IN> Request for explanation. Re: IN> This is all SD's fault. Re: IN> House rules I use, plus a question. Re: IN> House rules I use, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 13:51:48 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Request for explanation. From: "EDG" > > Would someone please explain to me why God lifted the ban after 375 years, > and immediately after a full third of his angels had demonstrated that they > couldn't be trusted? Being omniscient, He knew that the rebels would eventually break free. (And, if He lifted the ban before Metatron was killed, He knew that doing so while His words were still reaching Heaven in unambiguous form was a Good Idea.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:57:21 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Request for explanation. > >I can't figure out a justification for lifting the ban at the Fall, unless >I presume that God *didn't know* that the rebels had been locked away - >something that I'm not ready to assume that canon presumes. > >Would someone please explain to me why God lifted the ban after 375 years, >and immediately after a full third of his angels had demonstrated that they >couldn't be trusted? > >-Chris > Weren't the Grigori created about this same time, post-Fall, pre-release from Hell? I always imagined that like the Grigori, the angels were allowed to go to Earth 'just to make sure'. We know that the demons eventually were released, and presumably God would as well, so God didn't want Earth or humanity to be a sitting duck when Hell got out. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 15:22:02 -0500 From: Michael Nutt Subject: Re: IN> Request for explanation. > Would someone please explain to me why God lifted the ban after > 375 years, and immediately after a full third of his angels had > demonstrated that they couldn't be trusted? God might have believed that the celestials most likely to interfere with his plans had just been removed from the picture, and therefore, sanctions against all celestial intervention were no longer needed. Note, though, that the GMG also points out that intervention is to be *s u b tle*, so evidently, God believed that the point still needed some further reinforcement. - -- Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 13:04:53 -0800 From: "Phillip DesJardins" Subject: IN> Follow-up on Plot seed, part 1 Chesil Balseraph Knight of Banquets Demon of Eating Things You Probably Really Shouldn't* Corporeal 4 Strength 10 Agility 6 Ethereal 4 Intelligence 8 Precision 8 Celestial 4 Will 10 Perception 6 Songs: Numinous Corpus (Mouth/4, Teeth/4, Tongue/4), probably others but I lack the Liber Canticorum and can't think of anything. Skills: Chemistry/6, Driving/3, Fast-talk/5, Fighting/3, Knowledge (Cooking/5) Vessels: Large man in his early 20s/4 Attunements: Balseraph of Gluttony, Consume, Devour, Hair of the Dog, Demon of ETYPRS Demon of Eating Things You Probably Really Shouldn't: Chesil adds his Celestial forces to his resonance rolls to convince someone that something is safe to eat. Rites: - -Convince someone to eat something that goes against a personally-held dietary restriction: Ie convincing a vegetarian to try beef or a heavily orthodox jew to break kashrut (2 essence if done without resorting to any supernatural methods) - -Cause someone to die from eating something dangerous Chesil is the Demonic success story. 65 years ago he managed to annoy Lucifer. Not seriously so, for he is still alive, but enough so that he was saddled with the Word of Paint Chips. And indeed for many a demon that would have been the end, but Chesil knew what to do. He rolled up his sleeves and came down to Earth, determined to take this Word and make the most of it. And it was hard work. Many people died paving the way for Chesil's success, and thankfully he wasn't one of them. But at last the time came when he was firmly entrenched enough that he felt he could look his Prince square in the eye and ask that his Word be promoted. Haagenti asked him, "What is the Word that you want?" And when Chesil told him, it is said he caused his Prince to laugh so uproarously that the restaurant they spoke together in collapsed. And Haagenti agreed, and made the request of Lucifer. Lucifer was amazed that this demon had managed to survive the Word given to him. Amazed and pleased enough to grant the new Word. That was 27 years ago, and now Chesil has once again worked up the courage to see his Word elevated. It's not that he doesn't like his Word. Indeed, he has enjoyed wiling away many a weekend at frat parties or anywhere else someone can be convinced that anything can be put on a hot dog. He'd just rather expand his repetoire of how to convince people to make fools of themselves. *It's much more elegant in Helltongue, really. Phillip, Mercurian of Novalis The Happy Shiny Mercurian "Hey! That's not what we use Vessels for, mister!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 17:30:46 -0500 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Request for explanation. > Would someone please explain to me why > God lifted the [Eden] ban after 375 years, > and immediately after a full third of his > angels had demonstrated that they > couldn't be trusted? Because He (inaffibly) knew that the Fallen would get loose and he wanted his lads to get a head start? Because He couldn't exile the Fallen from Heaven without lifting the Ban? Because He's a barmy old codger? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 17:41:09 -0800 From: "Joey's mail" Subject: IN> Fiction: A Word The two Cherubim walked wingtip to wingtip into the library. The first, a great white wolf, briskly walked on, until her companion, a smaller black feline, pasued. The first turned to her friend, and whispered, "What is wrong?" "I am afraid," said the feline. "What if he says that the Lord..." "Don't be foolish," said the first, with a big toothy grin. "What could we possibly be doing wrong?" She nuzzled her companion, and they continued walking into the library, wingtips still touching. The canine Cherub gazed lovingly at her companion as they walked, the panther's dark eyes turned towards her lover. They walked, still gazing at each other, until they came upon Yves, who smiled brightly at them and replaced the book he was looking at on the shelf. "Ah, Blandine. Beleth. How may I be of assistance?" the eldest being said, and the two Cherubs looked at each other for a long minute, then turned back to Yves. "Giver of Names, Beleth and I have come with a question," Blandine said. She cleared her throat, and said, "We have spent much time roaming the Marches together, and have seen incredible things, beautiful things. We were in constant Awe of what we saw." Beleth stepped forward, and after hesitating a moment, said "However, all the glorious sights we have gazed at would have seemed...perhaps not as grand, if it we hadn't looked upon them together. We thank God for all his gifts, but the gift we thank him for above all others is that we were able to journey together." "We enjoy each other's company greatly," said Blandine, her deep blue stare unwavering before Yves. "And we wish to remain like this forever. I feel more strongly toward Beleth than I do any other being in creation," she paused a moment to put her paw on Beleth's. "What we wanted was for you to give this a Name. Give what we feel for each other a Name." "If it pleases you," Beleth added quickly, humbly lowering her head before the Archangel standing before her. Yves was quiet for a long moment, and perhaps, for just a moment, his eye glimmered, and he smiled almost sadly. He looked the two Cherubim in the eye, and said, "Love. This is called Love." "Love..." Beleth repeated. The word sounded...she wasn't quite sure how to describe it. A feeling above all others, perhaps. "Love," Blandine repeated. She said the word again, and turned to Beleth, and, for a moment, felt a glimmer of eternity. "This love, is it forever?" "That," Yves said, "Is for the two of you to determine." END ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:46:43 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Fiction: A Word From: "Joey's mail" > > "That," Yves said, "Is for the two of you to determine." Absolutely bloody perfect, Joey. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:11:47 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Request for explanation. - --- Josh Moger wrote: > We know that the demons eventually were > released, and presumably God would as well, so God didn't > want Earth or > humanity to be a sitting duck when Hell got out. Don't you mean when all Hell broke loose? [snicker] =====

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Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 21:22:39 -0800 From: Harukami Subject: Re: IN> Fiction: A Word Oh, I *like* this! Nice! Harukami - ---- "...hmm, that's interesting. 'He filled the car with jugs of gasoline mixed with gunpowder and drove it into the wall at 120 mph, with his seatbelt buckled...'" http://haru_in.tripod.com/ Haru's IN page: Game logs, art, and fiction. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:34:53 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Dunscombe Subject: IN> Fic: All Flesh I have a fic. Several, actually. I was about to post the first to the list, but it occurred to me that it contains a fair bit of *DISTURBING* (gross and surreal) imagery, and a touch of profanity. (The first fic also doesn't make it blindingly clear that it's even In Nomine, though it very solidly is.) So, I'm going to post a link. But first, I'm going to mention, again, in capital letters, DISTURBING CONTENT AND PROFANITY. There. ^_^ The first is here: http://www.geocities.com/cythraulybryd/in/all_flesh.htm ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 01:00:59 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> House rules I use, plus a question. >>I'm trying out some GURPS Sorcery rules (mum on source). > >*chuckle* How are they working? Well, the one Sorcerer NPC hasn't done any Sorcery yet in-game, but so far it has worked out well enough with his background and his place in the plot. The Sorcerous rituals available for messing with human heads are more limited (pretty much Suggest(a.k.a. Monitum), or summoning spirits to do the job for you) than the ad hoc alternate "Command" that was listed in G:IN, but that's an artifact of the system rather than the conversion. When I have more concrete game details, I'll say more here, or hourk up a log and/or character sheet. I should add that I own GURPS: Voodoo, and it's just *chilling* how easily the two systems mesh; I was seriously considering using the suggested Voodoo version of Sorcery. Never did, but it feels like it would definitely work. William ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 22:16:05 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Fic: All Flesh - --- Stephen Dunscombe wrote: > I have a fic. Several, actually. Err. Umm. Yeah. I'm not saying that they're bad, mind you: they're pretty good. But they're also possibly something that shouldn't be read by people in the grips of a mild fever and on the verge of going to sleep. (pause) OTOH, unsettling is what you were aiming for, right? :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 01/21/03 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 05:54:01 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Dunscombe Subject: Re: IN> Fic: All Flesh >But they're also possibly something > that > shouldn't be read by people in the grips of a mild > fever and on the verge of going to sleep. > OTOH, unsettling is what you were aiming for, right? Oh, indeed. ^_^ And yes, you're probably right on the fever point. I'd actually started out meaning to just explore the idea of a Djinn's "substitution obsession", i.e. the idea that Djinn need some kind of passion/obsession for SOMETHING, to (1) keep them from dying of /boredom/, (2) drown out their inner Cherub, and (3) keep them from being unplayably monotone. I dunno, maybe I have a stilted interpretation of Djinn, but I think they benefit /greatly/, as objects of interest, if they each have /some/ obsession. Unfortunately (or not - I can't really judge) that aspect kinda got subsumed by the /plot/. Err. There are also at least two important stories in the character's background that I /haven't told/; I take fiendish delight in being maddeningly cryptic - it often gets to the point where it's a /detriment/ to my writing. I actually /do/ have a rather /bright/ long-term ending planned, but it starts bad and has to get /much worse/ before it gets better. Um. Err. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 07:52:48 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Fic: All Flesh (and new material) At 05:54 AM 2/3/2003 -0500, Stephen Dunscombe wrote: >Oh, indeed. ^_^ And yes, you're probably right on the >fever point. Unfortunately, Moe knows whereof he speaks on the fever point. Get better soon, Moe. >... I take fiendish delight in being maddeningly cryptic ... And, hey, we don't know *anybody else* like that, do we? ;D By the way, very good, *very* creepy. :) I don't usually go in for horror, but I like Karavsakkan's madness. (For some reason, "Karavsakkan's Madness" sounds like the title of a Dostoevsky story to me. Hmm.) - -EDG ObIN: New Death Servitor Attunement: The Kiss and Bite Attacks http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?journal=etherjammer&itemid=5349 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 07:58:14 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Fiction: A Word At 05:41 PM 2/2/2003 -0800, Joey's mail wrote: >"That," Yves said, "Is for the two of you to determine." Very nice. :) My *only* quibble - and this only because I'm a nitpicky SOB - is that in paragraph four, they're Cherubim, not Cherubs. :D - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 22:32:23 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Fiction: A Word *sniff* That's beautiful, and very sad. Janet Anderson (Every once in a while, I understand why Michael wants to smack Yves upside the head.) ************************************************* Seraph: What do we want to do if he turns out to be an infernal? Malakite: I'm kinda hoping we don't find that out definitively. Leaving a long string of bodies behind us isn't a really good idea. - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 12:10:22 -0500 From: EDG Subject: IN> This is all SD's fault. Without further ado, I present The Best Show On TV: A Ridiculously Long Adventure Seed For Moderately Powerful Characters Of Any Stripe http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?journal=etherjammer&itemid=5501 - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 12:48:14 -0500 From: EDG Subject: IN> Silly, powerful artifact The Hat It's just a hat. Honest. Relic: Corporeal Song of Life/6, Ethereal Song of Machines/6* Always on, cannot be removed unless wearer is dead, cannot be detected as an artifact Cost: Cannot be bought * I'm treating something created with a Song as an artificial construct. You might not agree. That's your prerogative. Holding this opinion about a rule is mine. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 10:03:08 -0800 (PST) From: trupke@captainamericafans.com Subject: Re: IN> Request for explanation. > From: EDG > > Would someone please explain to me why God lifted the ban after 375 > years, and immediately after a full third of his angels had > demonstrated that they couldn't be trusted? > Well, probably not. Ineffible and all that. But, if forced to guess, I'd say God knew that the demons would eventually get out, and wanted the forces of Heaven to have a decent head start. TTFN Trupke _________________________________________ ComicBookResources.com - The comic site you have to visit. Free e-mail for Comic Book Fans at http://www.cbrmail.com/ CBR Mail is sponsored by www.MyComicShop.com/cbr/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 10:37:58 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> This is all SD's fault. Hmmm. I rather like this, though the idea that a lesser Celestial could stand up to a Superior in a battle of Word-friction does strain one's ability to suspend disbelief. =====

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Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:09:44 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> House rules I use, plus a question. At 1:00 AM -0500 2/3/03, William J. Keith wrote: >>>I'm trying out some GURPS Sorcery rules (mum on source). >> >>*chuckle* How are they working? > [...] >When I have more concrete game details, I'll say more here, or hourk up a >log and/or character sheet. Thanks! >I should add that I own GURPS: Voodoo, and it's just *chilling* how easily >the two systems mesh; I was seriously considering using the suggested >Voodoo version of Sorcery. Never did, but it feels like it would >definitely work. *grin* Hey, if you come up with a better way to meld Sorcery... I think I independently came up with something akin to the Ritual Magic stuff, which I hadn't really ever groked or read in any detail, so I'm not utterly bound to that interpretation. - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 16:27:13 -0800 From: "Joey's mail" Subject: Re: IN> House rules I use, > > I'm curious -- what house rules do ya'all use? > When using Dreamwalking, you can stay in the dream longer by making a Perception roll by the time you would normally be ejected. For the next part, I'm not sure if there's cannon rules for this, but this is how I do it; when resonating with a Kyriotate's host (or someone using the song of posession) you resonate with the Kyriotate, since the host's conciousness is in the Marches. With a Shedite, you resonate with the host, since their conciousness is still there, but on a check didgit of five or six, you resonate with BOTH of them (giving you a fairly clear idea of what's going on.) ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2954 ********************************