in_nomine-digest Wednesday, February 5 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2956 In this digest: Re: IN> Attuned Blandine/Beleth and results.. Re: IN> Attuned Blandine/Beleth and results.. Re: IN> Attuned Blandine/Beleth and results.. IN> Fic: More Karavsakkan Re: IN> Attuned Blandine/Beleth and results.. Re: IN> Attuned Blandine/Beleth and results.. Re: IN> Attuned Blandine/Beleth and results.. Re: IN> Fic: More Karavsakkan IN> INverse Superior- (Part I) Laurence, Impudite Demon Prince of the Blade IN> Asmodeus and Impudites Re: IN> Fiction: A Word Re: IN> Asmodeus and Impudites Re: IN> Fiction: A Word Re: IN> Asmodeus and Impudites Re: IN> INverse Superior- (Part I) Laurence, Impudite Demon Prince of the Blade Re: IN> Asmodeus and Impudites Re: IN> Fiction: A Word Re: IN> Fic: More Karavsakkan IN> New look for Novalis? Re: IN> New look for Novalis? IN> Bright Lucifer? Re: IN> Fiction: A Word Re: IN> Attuned Blandine/Beleth and results.. IN> Somebody is on to Saminga it seems... Re: IN> INverse Superior- (Part I) Laurence, Impudite Demon Prince of the Blade Re: IN> Attuned Blandine/Beleth and results.. Re: IN> Asmodeus and Impudites RE: IN> Asmodeus and Impudites ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 21:15:07 +0000 From: "carson young" Subject: Re: IN> Attuned Blandine/Beleth and results.. > >I also enjoy this thought, that maybe not everyone was damned when they >followed Lucifer to Hell, that some went of Free Will. I can imagine Azazel >-still- being a Cherub, even today, still attuned to Lucifer and doing his >bidding, maybe carrying an artifact that masks any disurbance he makes as >an angel in Hell. > As I understand it, he is a secretary and therefore wouldn't need to perform any disturbance generating actions. I don't think that sitting around and writing stuff would make much disturbance. Then again, even the faintest noise might be noticed in Hell, where only angels make disturbance. (Actually, I'm not sure that's true. Can demons make disturbance in Hell?) Carson Young, habbalite of GM's _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 16:25:05 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Attuned Blandine/Beleth and results.. At 09:15 PM 2/4/2003 +0000, carson young wrote: >As I understand it, he is a secretary and therefore wouldn't need to >perform any disturbance generating actions. I don't think that sitting >around and writing stuff would make much disturbance. Then again, even the >faintest noise might be noticed in Hell, where only angels make >disturbance. (Actually, I'm not sure that's true. Can demons make >disturbance in Hell?) IIRC: Yes. To further cloud the issue, angels in Hell don't generate disturbance by their very presence like demons in Heaven do. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 13:09:40 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: Re: IN> Attuned Blandine/Beleth and results.. > >At 11:19 AM 2/4/2003 -0500, Finder, Randolph J Mr NGB-ARNG wrote: > >>There is another explanation to this it seems. The only ways listed to break >>a Cherub's attunenemts is by touching the object of the attunement or by an >>intervention. Note: The Cherub falling is *not* listed there. Interesting. I wrote a spiel with Blandine trading the info on who was threatening Beleth to her ex-lover a few months ago, but I hadn't considered that Beleth might still have the Cherub attunement to Blandine. It gets interesting. Beleth challenged Blandine to fight during the Fall; perhaps she figures that if they fight, she'll only get a bit of Discord, while Blandine will Fall? That would imply that she still misses Blandine. Which would explain why Blandine still holds out hope for Beleth's redemption. > EDG wrote: > This would make Cherubim the *only Choir ever* to keep its resonance when > it Falls, which makes little sense to me. What about the Habbalah, who can keep the ability to resonanate for emotion? A yo-yoing Lilim keep her resonance; Shedim keep most of it, and Legion and Malphas have more than normal. Besides, the Djinn resonance is a decayed version of the Cherub resonance; that it decays slowly fits with the slothful nature of Djinn. Also, a Fallen Cherub keeps the Songs of Lending, which Djinn cannot learn, so it sort of fits. Cheers, James. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 22:16:40 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Dunscombe Subject: IN> Fic: More Karavsakkan Got the next Karavsakkan piece up - "The Collection" - for any who're interested. Once again, before I get to link, I really oughta mention, in capital letters, the DISTURBING, FAIRLY GRUESOME IMAGERY and the odd PROFANITY. Seriously. I thought I was being overcautious with the last batch, but they seemed to disturb Moe. Seriously. Moe. Like, really. *sighs* And, once again, I must assure you that it /will/, assuming I bring the series to /completion/, get brighter. So: www.geocities.com/cythraulybryd/in/index.htm Yeah. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 05:42:22 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Attuned Blandine/Beleth and results.. - --- james walker wrote: > What about the Habbalah, who can keep the ability to > resonanate for emotion? Not quite. Elohim _sense_ emotions. Habbalah _manipulate_ them. > A yo-yoing Lilim keep her resonance; That's true, and there are those on this list who don't care for that. > Shedim keep most of it, and Legion and Malphas have more > than normal. Not exactly. The Kyrio Resonance is for multiplicity -- being able to see things from someone else's perspective. The Shedite Resonance makes someone else see things from the demon's perspective. > Besides, the Djinn resonance is a decayed version of the > Cherub resonance; > that it decays slowly fits with the slothful nature of > Djinn. That's an excellent way to put it. > Also, a Fallen > Cherub keeps the Songs of Lending, which Djinn cannot > learn This I'm not sure about. A Fallen Cherub may still know the Songs of Lending, but I don't believe that it still has the ability to perform them. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:54:35 +0100 (CET) From: Unni Solaas Subject: Re: IN> Attuned Blandine/Beleth and results.. On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Michael Walton wrote: [Habbies resonating for emotions] > Not quite. Elohim _sense_ emotions. Habbalah > _manipulate_ them. > I /think/ this is IPG stuff (again I have no books here), but as far as I know the habbies may resonate for emotions just like elohim (Should that be ellies? In the name of consistency?:) do. They use perception to do this and they get no higher result than CD3. /Ever/. But mostly they just hit you with some emotion and make you really stoopid, yeah. Sometimes for days on end... (Is it just me, or are habbies just a wee bet on the overly powerful side..?) - -- language, n; an intangible artificial construct for obscuring one's meanings and intentions to others. -ppint. Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:54:38 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Dunscombe Subject: Re: IN> Attuned Blandine/Beleth and results.. > Not quite. Elohim _sense_ emotions. Habbalah > _manipulate_ them. > Except Habbalah can still sense them, though at a penalty. It's one of their "More sophisticated use of resonance" abilities, described in the IPG. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:03:46 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Fic: More Karavsakkan Stephen Dunscombe writes: > Got the next Karavsakkan piece up - "The Collection" - > for any who're interested. I'm liking this series so far. It was hard to understand what was what at first, but reading back after certain other parts makes it come together. I always did have a soft spot for Djinn's :) Nice work. --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:12:02 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: IN> INverse Superior- (Part I) Laurence, Impudite Demon Prince of the Blade Laurence, Impudite Demon Prince of the Blade "The world and humanity is impure, tainted by Heaven. The sword of Hell will cut the diseased parts away." Laurence is an Impudite, the first one created by the Balseraph Prince Uriel, and one of his sons, the other being the Mad Prince Khalid. Laurence was raised with his mind being filled with constant propaganda and lies about the Fall, the nature of Heaven, and the true motives of Michael. From his early years in service to his father and the Demon King, Laurence had a deep, romantic love for the ideals of Hell, and the wishes of the Firstborn for recreating the world in his perfect image. When the time for the Purity Crusade came, Laurence was so enthralled by the lies of his father and Michael that he fully threw himself into the war. He performed so well that more than half the pantheons allied with Heaven were forever destroyed, and the rest were thrown into chaos, even with the protection of Beleth. Michael was impressed with how powerful the Impudite had become, and thus crowned him the “Blade of Hell that cuts all impurity away”, and made him Demon of the Blade. In the following years, Laurence only renewed his vigor, and with the ethereals cleaned from the Marches, he turned his attention to the perfection of the corporeal realm. He hunted angels who “interfered with humanity” with a Djinn-like passion, and his efforts helped to foil numerous plans of the Host. Though many demons looked upon humanity as mere resources, Laurence saw them as resources with more potential than most demons, and helped many an infernal campaign with the aid of Soldiers he personally recruited and brought to Hell’s side, with a record number of nearly 600 Soldiers under his command. Again, Michael was impressed with the undying zeal of the demon, and called him forth to the Grand Palace, where the Firstborn asked the Impudite what it was he desired to do most. Laurence’s humble reply was- “Only to serve you and Hell my beautiful Lord, now and until you strike down Heaven, or until my Forces are torn from the Symphony in my service to the One True God.” So pleased was Michael with hearing this True, selfless proclamation of devotion to him and his desires, that the Demon King crowned Laurence a Prince right then and there, and gave him dominion over the forces of Hell, the humans who sided with it, and the mission to aid all who brought Michael greater glory. With tears like black pearls in his eyes, Laurence threw himself before Michael in thanks, and with his black sword shining, he stepped out into the Infernal City, ready to do his sacred duty, and ensure victory for He Who Is Greater Than God. Corporeally, Laurence appears as a young man or woman in their early 20’s, often with the face and attitude of an idealistic rookie with much potential. He is charming, noble, personable, and inspires everyone around him to do their very best. Celestially, he sprouts bladed wings of black metal, and his halo glows with a malevolent black light, eyes burning with his undying love for the Firstborn and the greatest realm in the entire Symphony. For Truly, is he not blessed? (A note to all players- you can have an Honorite Uriel that made an Impudite Laurence, or a Balseraph Uriel that made an Honorite Laurence. The dual Bands of the creator and child can be mixed and matched to your liking- it is simply presented here as Balseraph-made-Impudite for simplicity) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 12:16:07 -0500 From: EDG Subject: IN> Asmodeus and Impudites Quick thought - Does harming or killing a demon with the Humanity attunement active trigger the Impudite and Mercurian dissonance conditions? My instinct is yes, but I'm curious to know how you'd resolve this. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:18:24 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Fiction: A Word > Here's some of my notions for Minor Superior Cherubim (since I can't recall > any minor Djinn Superiors) > > Christopher-- I always imagined him as being a huge black labrador (spelling?) puppy when calm, and a even larger Cerebeus like hound when he's angry and militant. > > Zadkiel--Hrm. Perhaps a lioness. Lionesses are social animals, and Zadkiel > is fond of humans working together for mutual protection IMHO. > I always saw her as being a huge metal-plated turtle like creature for some reason XD --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:23:39 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Asmodeus and Impudites EDG writes: > Quick thought - > > Does harming or killing a demon with the Humanity attunement active > trigger the Impudite and Mercurian dissonance conditions? > > My instinct is yes, but I'm curious to know how you'd resolve this. > > -EDG > Never thought of this... I'd say that the angel/demon would get dissonance at first, but when the attunement ran out, the Merc/Imp would get a "PING!" from the Symphony, like an apology (or a scolding for the Impudite) and the dissonance would vanish. --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:35:39 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Fiction: A Word > >> Here's some of my notions for Minor Superior Cherubim (since I can't recall >> any minor Djinn Superiors) >> >> Christopher-- > >I always imagined him as being a huge black labrador (spelling?) puppy when >calm, and a even larger Cerebeus like hound when he's angry and militant. > Really? A puppy? I see teddy bear, maybe with a vague resemblance to David's pre-Malakite form. >> >> Zadkiel--Hrm. Perhaps a lioness. Lionesses are social animals, and Zadkiel >> is fond of humans working together for mutual protection IMHO. >> > For some reason... hmm... I see mermaid? No... almost... nagah like creature. I have no idea why, but that's it. Zadkiel just seems to lend herself to mythological forms in my mind. Josh ^_^' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 18:51:24 +0100 From: "Shadur t'Kharn" Subject: Re: IN> Asmodeus and Impudites In other news for Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 12:16:07PM -0500, EDG has been seen typing: > Quick thought - > Does harming or killing a demon with the Humanity attunement active trigger > the Impudite and Mercurian dissonance conditions? I asked essentially the same question round about Jan 9th of this year. Didn't get much of an answer, though... > My instinct is yes, but I'm curious to know how you'd resolve this. Personally, I'd say definitely not if they know it's really a demon using the Humanity attunement... But how sure is sure in this regard? If for a Mercurian it's dissonant to choose to harm a human, and they punch someone they don't know for sure isn't one, that's at least violating the spirit of the condition... > -EDG - -Shad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:48:35 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> INverse Superior- (Part I) Laurence, Impudite Demon Prince of the Blade Yeesh. INverse Laurence darkens a setting that's already pretty dark. I look forward to the mechanics. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:50:36 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Asmodeus and Impudites - --- EDG wrote: > Does harming or killing a demon with the Humanity > attunement active trigger > the Impudite and Mercurian dissonance conditions? I'd say no -- if the Impudite or Mercurian knew that it was a demon that he was killing. Likewise if he believed that he was killing a demon and turned out to be right. But if a Friend or Taker kills what he belives to be a demon and is wrong, well... =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:53:31 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Fiction: A Word - --- sirea@softhome.net wrote: > I always imagined him as being a huge black labrador > (spelling?) puppy Yup, that's spelled right (though it should be capitalized). > a even larger Cerebeus like hound You mean Cerberus, I presume? Cerebus-like would make him an aardvark (which still kinda works for Christopher). > I always saw her as being a huge metal-plated turtle like > creature for some reason Zadkiel as Gamera!?! How dare you mock an Archangel thus! 0;> I kinda like the lioness image, actually, though mother bear works, too. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:59:21 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Dunscombe Subject: Re: IN> Fic: More Karavsakkan > I'm liking this series so far. It was hard to > understand what was what at > first, but reading back after certain other parts > makes it come together. GOOD. :D On the one hand, I've been wondering if I've been /too/ cryptic (not worrying - just wondering. :P) On the other hand, the few snatches of feedback I've gotten indicate that people are following juuuuust well enough. :P > I > always did have a soft spot for Djinn's :) This series actually began as an attempt to /understand/ Djinn... to actually find some angle from which to observe them, where they're actually interesting. That first piece, "All Flesh", was an attempt at getting that angle down on paper. > Nice work. Feedback is *always* welcome. ^_^ ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:01:41 -0800 From: "Phillip DesJardins" Subject: IN> New look for Novalis? So I've been reading Swamp Thing lately, and somehow in the middle of it all I got an idea for a different take on Novalis: Make her a Kyriotate. For some reason the image works for me. Well, it's got a few things going for it: 1) Kyriotates are protectors/nurturers as much as Cherubim are, just less singular about it. Which actually makes sense for someone whose Word is as huge as hers. 2) It would mean that the two Superiors who deal most with the natural world would be Kyriotates: between them they handle all life on Earth. The parity works well to me. 3) It'd be another Kyriotate Archangel. I think we need more of them, and that'll still leave us with 3 Cherubim if you count Christopher and Zadkiel. The main change I can see this making in terms of the setting itself would be that her emphasis on the Word would be much more literal. She is still all about nurturing and growth, but she is just as much the representative of the plant world in all its' splendor. I'd keep her dissonance the same, mainly because this version would still be just as devoted to the peaceful cause as before. The other change I see would be that her relationship with Jordi would be much closer, possibly lovers in the Celestial sense of the word. Though that might just be because it makes for a wonderfully symbolic image. Thoughts? Other changes this'd make? Phillip, Mercurian of Novalis The Happy Shiny Mercurian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:42:37 -0800 From: Daiv Subject: Re: IN> New look for Novalis? COOL! An aspect you did not highlight, though i am sure that it occurred to you, is that Kyriotates are, in many ways, more alien to humans than any other choir. Not because they are more holy, but because they are more weird. Naturally, this feeds into the whole Plants thing nicely, just as you intended. At 11:01 AM -0800 2/5/03, Phillip DesJardins wrote: > > The main change I can see this making in terms of the setting itself >would be that her emphasis on the Word would be much more literal. She is >still all about nurturing and growth, but she is just as much the >representative of the plant world in all its' splendor. I'd keep her >dissonance the same, mainly because this version would still be just as >devoted to the peaceful cause as before. You know, on some level this has always bothered me a little. Flowers are not, in and of themselves, exceptionally peaceful. On the contrary, flowers and plants in general are viciously competitive predators. They have to be; in the natural world, the words for Pacifist and Food are pretty much the same. Part of the perception of them as peaceful come from the difference in time scales (In this, she would actually have a lot in common with David). > The other change I see would be that her relationship with Jordi would >be much closer, possibly lovers in the Celestial sense of the word. Though >that might just be because it makes for a wonderfully symbolic image. This really highlights the symbiotic relationship that plants and animals have. Between the two of them, they would almost form a third faction between the militant and Peaceful AAs. Which, again, I like. Of course, Kyrio or not, you can do this anyway. Hmmmmm... thoughts.... thoughts... coffee.... thoughts... > Phillip, Mercurian of Novalis > The Happy Shiny Mercurian Daiv, tech writer in service to Coffee, in search of a superior Bears hunting season empty stomach drives him on wanted fries with that - -Daiv David M. Barr daiv@cruzio.com YIM Daivbear AIM Drnknmstrhkugk H (831)477-0539 C (831)566-2237 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:44:57 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: IN> Bright Lucifer? > pretty bright version of Lucifer -- he's not for *evil*, he's for the > *choice* that makes good worthwhile. He was frustrated with all the > holy-holy-holy in heaven when it didn't mean anything; it's meaningless to > be good when nobody's evil. Realizing this, he sacrificed himself to create > the distinction. Funny; I went in pretty much the opposite direction and ended up in much the same place. My version of Lucifer never Fell, and is still an Archangel. Think about this for a moment, for it makes sense on so many levels. Canonically, we don't know what Light's dissonance condition was, and when he was tempting the Host he was still in Heaven, and therefore couldn't lie. So the only point at which he could have Fallen was *after* the rebellion. But what if he didn't? What if he is the only angel in Hell? Prestige. He alone among the horde is unFallen, and as long as he doesn't lie or violate his Word, he'll stay that way. This is one of many ways he reminds the Princes that no matter how hard they try, they'll never be like him. Power. No one can lie to him; if a Balseraph is foolish enough to try, they suffer Dissonance. This is probably how Baal is kept in line. Words. If he's unFallen, then he still has a connection to the Divine (even if he chooses to ignore it); this neatly explains how he can grant Words. Evilness. Just because you haven't fallen doesn't mean you're nice. A Seraph of Jordi, for example, can kill/tempt/destroy as many humans as it wants, as long as it *doesn't lie* and *abides Jordi's commands to kill cleanly*. So making Lucifer still be a Seraph doesn't necessarily make him sympathetic; in many ways, it makes him more terrifying. This is someone who *shouldn't* be doing these awful things, but *chooses* to nonetheless. Eeeeee-vil. - -- Casca "Undead, like the senior citizens of the more traditional democracies, represent a disproportionate segment of the electorate. However, their political leanings are quite different, as the short term is essentially meaningless to one who expects to live for over 1,000 years." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:50:11 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Fiction: A Word > Zadkiel--Hrm. Perhaps a lioness. Lionesses are social animals, and Zadkiel > is fond of humans working together for mutual protection IMHO. I've portrayed her as a dove with the beak and talons of a raptor. - -- Casca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 15:37:59 -0500 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> Attuned Blandine/Beleth and results.. >> Not quite. Elohim _sense_ emotions. Habbalah >> _manipulate_ them. > >I /think/ this is IPG stuff (again I have no books here), but as far as I >know the habbies may resonate for emotions just like elohim (Should that >be ellies? In the name of consistency?:) do. They use perception to do >this and they get no higher result than CD3. /Ever/. Not quite. Speaking as someone who plays a Per-heavy Habbie with a fondness for receptive empathy, the only difference in the check digit chart is that Habbalah can't predict reactions. (So effectively, they can't get past CD:4, IIRC.) But the resonance roll is Per at a penalty: if you want to try for CD:3, you roll at a -3 to Per. If you roll a CD:1-2, you get CD:1-2 results; if you roll CD:4-6, you get CD:3 results and nothing more. Not many Habbies /do/ this, of course. (Mine had a Per 9 and only got maybe three or four successful resonances in the /entire game/, and one was with touch-bonus to CD so his penalty was lower.) >But mostly they just hit you with some emotion and make you really >stoopid, yeah. Sometimes for days on end... (Is it just me, or are habbies >just a wee bet on the overly powerful side..?) The duration of the emotional effect varies based on /what/ emotion it is - Love lasts days, Anger lasts minutes, IIRC - as does the accompanying penalty to Intelligence /or/ Precision. And remember Habbie backlash - and the fact that they're the only Band whose resonance can actually /force/ them into an angelic mindset and thus Renegade... ~S.D. Ryukage ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 13:36:52 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: IN> Somebody is on to Saminga it seems... ...or maybe Dark Humor is just at it again :D http://www.loris.net/zombie/ --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 13:41:46 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> INverse Superior- (Part I) Laurence, Impudite Demon Prince of the Blade > Yeesh. INverse Laurence darkens a setting that's already > pretty dark. I look forward to the mechanics. Oh, you think this is bad? This is just patriot, blinded-by-love Laurence. Now, the -Honorite- version of Laurence is what's scary. Speaking of which, I should repost the revised Honorite write-up soon... --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 21:43:02 +0100 (CET) From: Unni Solaas Subject: Re: IN> Attuned Blandine/Beleth and results.. On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, S.D. wrote: > The duration of the emotional effect varies based on /what/ emotion it > is - Love lasts days, Anger lasts minutes, IIRC - as does the > accompanying penalty to Intelligence /or/ Precision. > Ah yes, thanks. :) But I'm still not overly happy about that combo. They get two effects for the price of one. Hm. Must ponder. > And remember Habbie backlash - and the fact that they're the only Band > whose resonance can actually /force/ them into an angelic mindset and > thus Renegade... Except if the habbalite in question works for Andre. They don't suffer backlashes. :) That very rare Emptiness-backlash is cool though. Unless you're a habbalite of Lust, that is. ;) - -- language, n; an intangible artificial construct for obscuring one's meanings and intentions to others. -ppint. Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 15:46:21 -0500 From: "Brian Rogers" Subject: Re: IN> Asmodeus and Impudites I would think that it depends on whether the merc/imp in question knew it was really a demon. If they knew it was a demon with the humanity attunement, then no dissonance. If they thought it was a human, then yes they would become dissonant. If they thought it was a human, and became dissonant, and then later their friend came up saying, "Hey, Bob! You know that human you shot? Well, it turns out it was a demon with the humanity attunement!" then the dissonance would likely go away, as the celestial sighs in relief. Brian > EDG writes: > > > Quick thought - > > > > Does harming or killing a demon with the Humanity attunement active > > trigger the Impudite and Mercurian dissonance conditions? > > > > My instinct is yes, but I'm curious to know how you'd resolve this. > > > > -EDG > > > > Never thought of this... I'd say that the angel/demon would get dissonance > at first, but when the attunement ran out, the Merc/Imp would get a "PING!" > from the Symphony, like an apology (or a scolding for the Impudite) and the > dissonance would vanish. - -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:11:15 -0500 From: "Finder, Randolph J Mr NGB-ARNG" Subject: RE: IN> Asmodeus and Impudites > I would think that it depends on whether the merc/imp in > question knew it was really a demon. > If they knew it was a demon with the humanity attunement, > then no dissonance. If they thought it was a human, then yes > they would become dissonant. > If they thought it was a human, and became dissonant, and > then later their friend came up saying, "Hey, Bob! You know > that human you shot? Well, it turns out it was a demon with > the humanity attunement!" then the dissonance would likely go > away, as the celestial sighs in relief. Yes, but what if the "friend" is really a balseraph who successfully lies to the merc/imp that the human he shot was a demon with the humanity attunement. Would the merc/imp actually have fewer notes of dissonance until the resonance wore off or would be just think he had fewer notes of dissonance. I know that the Balseraphs can lie to the symphony, but the ability to change the symphony itself in that way seems a little too powerful... Consider the following. A mercurian/imp meets a Balseraph who lies to him successfully that all of the students in the school across the street are demons with the humanity attunement. Which of these is more reasonable. 1) When the merc/imp first hurts a human in the school, they feel the dissonance which provides enough additional information for them to try to break the bal's resonance (and probably succeed) 2) None of the dissonance occurs until the bal's resonance wears off and the merc/imp realizes they were humans at which point the Imp becomes a dissonance laden wreck and the Mercurian falls like a stone.... I think choice 1, which would mean that the belief of the merc/imp is irrelevant. The imp/merc dissonance conditions should occur based on what the student is (demon or human) not what they appear to be with the humanity attunement. Randy ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2956 ********************************