in_nomine-digest Friday, February 14 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2964 In this digest: Re: IN> Heretical Yves. Re: IN> Family resemblance Re: IN> Heretical Yves. IN> Ethereal Player's Guide Now Shipping Re: IN> Heretical Yves. Re: IN> Heretical Yves. Re: IN> Heretical Yves IN> Re: Heretical Yves Re: IN> Heretical Yves Re: IN> Heretical Yves. Re: IN> Heretical Yves. Re: IN> Heretical Yves. Re: IN> Bibliomancy (was: Heretical Yves) Re: IN> Heretical Yves. IN> Campaign Flavor Superior: (Part II) Tyra, Djinn Demon PRince of Hell Re: IN> Family resemblance Re: IN> Heretical Yves. Re: IN> Ethereal Player's Guide Now Shipping Re: IN> Heretical Yves IN> GURPS IN Characters... Re: IN> Heretical Yves. IN> possesion and non-shedim Re: IN> possesion and non-shedim Re: IN> possesion and non-shedim IN> Essence Battery Re: IN> Heretical Yves. Re: IN> Essence Battery IN> New artfiact: Hoopty Car Re: IN> Essence Battery Re: IN> Soul hits. IN> New to the List and a Couple of Questions Re: IN> New to the List and a Couple of Questions Re: IN> New to the List and a Couple of Questions Re: IN> possesion and non-shedim Re: IN> New artfiact: Hoopty Car Re: IN> Essence Battery Re: IN> Soul hits. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:55:14 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Heretical Yves. Many thanks for the kind comments. Several things: 1) I love the idea of Pirate Kronos. Somebody write that bad boy up. 2) Ninja rob trains? 3) Chip's Word-Forces expanded quite quickly. A bit too quickly, alas: they think that they'll get the stains out of the ceiling by next week at the very latest. 4) Yes, I really need to see the materials that will allow me to craft Magical Pretty Girl Saminga. Moe PS: A buddy of mine who operates a local gaming store (Realms of Fantasy, College Park) mentioned that somebody had come in and mentioned Bibliomancy (GURPS) from the Divination writeup. He couldn't remember the name, though: was it somebody from the List? ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 01/21/03 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:56:21 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Family resemblance - --- "Wajenberg, Earl" wrote: > Every lightning strike produces a little burst of > X-rays. A very clever insight about Lilith, Earl. I liked it. Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 01/21/03 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:22:12 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Heretical Yves. > 3) Chip's Word-Forces expanded quite quickly. A bit > too quickly, alas: they think that they'll get the > stains out of the ceiling by next week at the very > latest. Who the smeg is Chip? I've checked your webpage and there's no reference of this guy. - -- Casca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:20:31 -0600 From: MasonK Subject: IN> Ethereal Player's Guide Now Shipping From the Daily Illuminator: - -- In Nomine Ethereal Player's Guide ( http://www.sjgames.com/innomine/ethereal/ ) These Dreams . . . Once they were gods who ruled the lands of sleep. Once they were spirits who sent their images to slumbering mortals. Once they were elves, unicorns, dragons, and more. The angels tried to kill them. The demons tried to enslave them. But the ethereal spirits survive -- and are born anew from human dreams! The War may be about Heaven and Hell, but humans aren't the only ones caught in the crossfire. Now you can play those mysterious "neutrals," the ethereal spirits - -- pagan gods, creatures of myth, and even the dancing toothbrushes from the last time you ate anchovies on your pizza. Woven from essential strands of concept, they have their own supernatural powers, Song affinities, and personalities. They also have their own weaknesses and flaws. But whether you wish to assume the mantle of a god or a minor spirit of the Marches, this book has what you need to make your ethereal character more than just a collection of Forces. 144 pages. Stock #3318, ISBN 1-55634-430-9. $24.95. - -- Mason Angel of... um... I forget.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:44:54 +0100 From: shadur@systemec.nl (Rens Houben) Subject: Re: IN> Heretical Yves. In other news for Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 12:22:12AM -0500, Eric Bertish has been seen typing: > Who the smeg is Chip? I've checked your webpage and there's no reference of > this guy. Former Demon of Ninjas (look under Demons). Calabite of Nybbas, IIRC, and about as tacky as you'd expect a servitor of the Media to be, just a lot more dangerous until Ninja Yves turned him into several big stains on the ceiling and walls... > -- Casca Shad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:57:06 -0600 From: "John Miller" Subject: Re: IN> Heretical Yves. I am really new to the list so forgive me if the question has been asked but does any-one have any gurps in nomine characters that they could send me for example(s). I want to seen some example of characters in the gurps version of In Nomine but there seems to be very little support. Did I goof when I bought the book? John - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rens Houben" To: Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:44 AM Subject: Re: IN> Heretical Yves. > In other news for Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 12:22:12AM -0500, Eric Bertish has been seen typing: > > > Who the smeg is Chip? I've checked your webpage and there's no reference of > > this guy. > > Former Demon of Ninjas (look under Demons). Calabite of Nybbas, IIRC, > and about as tacky as you'd expect a servitor of the Media to be, just a > lot more dangerous until Ninja Yves turned him into several big stains > on the ceiling and walls... > > > -- Casca > > Shad > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 01:56:47 -0600 From: Gregg Forge Subject: Re: IN> Heretical Yves > > >Magical Girl Pretty Saminga... > > > >AAAAAAAAUGH!!! > >*brain messily explodes, immeditely Falls to Madness* > Put your brain back together, and realize that there is no greater Truth than in Mind Expanding Paradox. And you'll be ready to redeem. Remember, if it's only cognitive, it's not REALLY dissonant... Kamika-Z, Ofanite Angel of Cognitive Dissonance, pondering... 1. Jordi De Ikkou 2. Silent No-Nybbas 3. Uriel and Jordi (points to whomsoever follows that one) 4. Baalsing. 5. Dominic Tank Police ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:05:38 -0000 From: "nicholas.irish" Subject: IN> Re: Heretical Yves Oh dear... tea on keyboard. -Nick ================================ "Someone is playing with Playdough!" -Mr Smart, The Specials ================================ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:21:27 +0100 From: shadur@systemec.nl (Rens Houben) Subject: Re: IN> Heretical Yves In other news for Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 01:56:47AM -0600, Gregg Forge has been seen typing: > Kamika-Z, Ofanite Angel of Cognitive Dissonance, pondering... > 3. Uriel and Jordi (points to whomsoever follows that one) Ushio and Tora? Only have the first tape. > 5. Dominic Tank Police Been done. Check the In Nomine Movie Trailers (http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/Movies.html ) - -Shad. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:24:00 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Heretical Yves. From: "Maurice Lane" > > 2) Ninja rob trains? I have no idea where it came from, but I keep seeing "The purpose of ninjas is to flip out and kill people." After the news story about "Ninjas attack Congo train" broke (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2217138.stm), somebody wrote "The purpose of ninjas is to flip out and rob trains." So, when you wrote about Ninja Yves, I felt that I had to take it that one additional step. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:38:03 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Heretical Yves. >I am really new to the list so forgive me if the question has been asked but >does any-one have any gurps in nomine characters that they could send me for >example(s). I want to seen some example of characters in the gurps version >of In Nomine but there seems to be very little support. Did I goof when I >bought the book? Admittedly, some sample characters would have been nice, but overall I think the book is a good buy, and I'm running a GURPS In Nomine game now. Check the In Nomine Collection at http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/ . Among the articles in the archive that I have posted with character statistics for In Nomine games are: http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/new/GMs/Adventures/grailchaser.html Except for the three new Advantages I made up for the plot seed, and the point value I assigned to the Songmaster Attunement, fairly well a canon Seraph, if very heavy on Songs. The point totals may be a little off. http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/new/Gallery/Soldiers/sailorsenshi.html Some, err, Soldiers. :^) http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/new/Gallery/Angels/silas.rest.html I combined the two systems with some character creation notes for Silas. No hard stats, though. And one on a page of my own: http://earl.of.sandwich.net/In_Nomine/Redemption.html An early attempt of mine at a new Archangel with a complete expanded writeup, including two sample Servitors near the bottom of the page. Don't trust the IN conversions, but the GURPS statistics are still there. It turns out Sam is low on points for a starting character, and I think Terreniah is above 100, as an older NPC. I'd be happy to walk through the character creation process for any of these. William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:42:21 -0600 From: Asher Densmore-Lynn Subject: Re: IN> Heretical Yves. Prodigal wrote: > I have no idea where it came from, but I keep seeing "The purpose of ninjas > is to flip out and kill people." http://www.realultimatepower.net/ Careful perusal of that site is almost essential to properly understand Yves' angelic nature. - -- Asher Densmore-Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:03:14 -0500 (EST) From: Diane J Donaldson Subject: Re: IN> Bibliomancy (was: Heretical Yves) On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Maurice Lane wrote: > PS: A buddy of mine who operates a local gaming store > (Realms of Fantasy, College Park) mentioned that > somebody had come in and mentioned Bibliomancy (GURPS) > from the Divination writeup. He couldn't remember the > name, though: was it somebody from the List? > Yup, that was me (former Ofanite of Stone, Laurelyn Hardy). I thought I'd already written you off-list about it, but it might have gotten lost. I'm not sure how we got on the subject, but once we figured out we were both talking about the same person, he said "That guy is nuts!" To which I could only smile and nod. :-) djd ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:34:48 -0600 From: "John Miller" Subject: Re: IN> Heretical Yves. Thank You for the response. I would be glad for any help you could offer the book is still a little confusing to me. John - ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Keith" To: Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 7:38 AM Subject: Re: IN> Heretical Yves. > >I am really new to the list so forgive me if the question has been asked but > >does any-one have any gurps in nomine characters that they could send me for > >example(s). I want to seen some example of characters in the gurps version > >of In Nomine but there seems to be very little support. Did I goof when I > >bought the book? > > Admittedly, some sample characters would have been nice, but overall I > think the book is a good buy, and I'm running a GURPS In Nomine game now. > > Check the In Nomine Collection at > http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/ . Among the articles in the > archive that I have posted with character statistics for In Nomine games > are: > > http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/new/GMs/Adventures/grailchaser.htm l > Except for the three new Advantages I made up for the plot seed, and > the point value I assigned to the Songmaster Attunement, fairly well a > canon Seraph, if very heavy on Songs. The point totals may be a little off. > > http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/new/Gallery/Soldiers/sailorsenshi. html > Some, err, Soldiers. :^) > > http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/new/Gallery/Angels/silas.rest.html > I combined the two systems with some character creation notes for > Silas. No hard stats, though. > > And one on a page of my own: > > http://earl.of.sandwich.net/In_Nomine/Redemption.html > An early attempt of mine at a new Archangel with a complete expanded > writeup, including two sample Servitors near the bottom of the page. Don't > trust the IN conversions, but the GURPS statistics are still there. It > turns out Sam is low on points for a starting character, and I think > Terreniah is above 100, as an older NPC. > > I'd be happy to walk through the character creation process for any of these. > > William > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:50:56 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: IN> Campaign Flavor Superior: (Part II) Tyra, Djinn Demon PRince of Hell *Dissonance* It is dissonant for a Servitor of Hell to harm any peaceful citizen of Hell without reason, to destroy any part of Hell that serves a meanigful purpose for someone, or to allow any known foreign prescience to remain in Hell for more than 24 hours. Lastly, it is dissonance to spend more than 24 hours outside of Hell unless there is an express reason given by a superior to be so. *Band Attunements* (All of the Band attunements are Restricted) Balseraphim: The Balseraphim of Hell are the ones who collect the Essence from the demons who torture it from the humans, and they ensure that it goes into the proper hands. With a resonance roll, they can decipher if a demon is lying to them about how much Essence he has and has to give up. Djinn: Hell’s Stalkers are its watchmen and also work on the maintenance of checkpoints. The Djinn may attune to a number of patterns equal to two times his total Forces, but only if he attunes to demons that should be kept track of. Calabim: Not surprisingly, these demons act as the demolition men of the infernal realms. All Calabim of Hell start with the skills Knowledge (Infernal Architecture) and Knowledge (Calabitic Demolition) at a level equal to their Ethereal Forces. Also, they can use their resonance on entire structures, dealing x10 times as much damage as usual, but only if it is an infernal structure. Habbalah: Punishers of Hell maintain the delicate and ever changing borders between Principalities and the territories within them. At all times, a Habbalite of Hell will know where the exact borders of a Principality they are in begin and end, and with a Will roll, they can redefine and change these borders by a minute amount if needed. The latter ability is never used without express supervision by the owner of the Principality however, and any change without permission or excellent reason is punishable by soul-death. Honorium: If any variety of Fallen Malakim exist in your game world, then they serve this purpose as a Servitor of Hell- they can tell, on sight, how long someone has been in Hell, and whether or not they are Hellborn, or a Fallen angel. These demons are charged with hunting down newcomers to Hell, and ensuring that they are escorted to the proper authorities, or exterminated. Lilim: Daughters who serve Tyra are the vigilant watchers of their other sisters. They are in charge of keeping track of what Free Lilim serves who, how many Lilim are under a Prince, and where any truly Free Lilim is at any time. With a mere touch, they can determine the alignment and status of any other Lilim they encounter (know if they have Free status, IST status, or what Word they currently serve, and how many Geasea they owe). Shedim: These Fleshless are the ones who routinely check up on and help maintain the Infernal Tethers. They can possess a Tether with no roll, and with a Perception roll can determine the exact statistics of the Tether, and how many times it was used in the last 24 hours. They work carefully with the Tether’s Sencshenal, ensuring that new Tethers stay stable and working, old Tethers hold out as long as possible, and that stable Tethers are used properly. Impudite: The Takers of Hell have a special job- they are the shepards of the human souls who have been damned to Hell. Many stay at Hell’s gate, for with a touch, they can determine which Prince a human best belongs to, depending on their sins and how they lived their lives. Also, with a Perception roll and 10 minutes of concentration, they can determine the rough amount of human souls that are in a single Principality at any given time (note- this cannot see how many souls belong to a Prince- that is a closely kept secret. It simply gives the Impudite a rough idea of how many souls are currently hanging around in the realm of that Prince/Prince's). Skulker: Surprisingly, Tyra owns many Skulkers, and makes no secret about it- but like the other Princes he either cannot or chooses not to create any more. All the ones he has were recruited after the Grigori were Outcasted, in a very perceptive and swift recruiting drive. These Dark Grigori are rarely seen, for they run the secret errands of Tyra and other Princes, maintaining that which other demons need not know about. Also, they listen for any intruders that cause disturbance- and immediately alert the proper authorities that an angelic presence has made itself known. *Servitor Attunements* Allegiance: This simple attunement will allow the demon, with a touch, Perception roll and one Essence, to determine the exact Band and Word of any demon he is touching. CPS: aka Celestial Positioning System. This allows the demon, for 3 Essence, to be able to determine her –exact- location in Hell, down to the most minute of details, and the best directions to the closest major Tether. The demon is never lost this way. All Servitors of Hell must purchase this attunement at character creation. *Distinctions* Knight of the Burning Depths: The demon gains a resource level equal to her Celestial Forces, which cannot be bought up, in the form of a demon who serves a Word of whatever realm the Knight is currently in. The servant demon often acts as a guide and informant of the realm, but once the Knight leaves the Principality, the demon is no longer bound to her. If a Principality has two or more Princes ruling it, the Knight may specify which demon of what Word she wishes to use as a resource. Example: Pol has 3 Celestial Forces. While she is in Tartarus, she may have a demon of Technology as a level 3 resource. If she is in Shal-Mari, she must specify if she wants a Servitor of Dark Humor, Lust, or Gluttony as her servant. Captain of the Eternal Cell: If the demons meets someone who is not a resident of Hell (an angel, Renegade, ethereal, or blessed soul) she may make the nature of Hell aware of them, and entrap them in chains of darkness for 2 Essence, reducing the target’s Agility by one half, and -doubling- the amount of disturbance they make! This disability lasts until the interloper escapes from Hell, or is slain. Baron of the Fallen World: A Baron of Hell, much like a Master of Destiny, may chose another Band (aside from the Lilim Band) in which they may emulate the resonance and dissonance conditions of! Note however, that this ability only works within the confines of Hell- it is disabled anywhere else. *Higher Distinctions* Principality: Tyra has 10 demons, all with the Baron of Hell (Djinn) distinction, or Djinn themselves, that are each attuned to one of the 9 Principalities of Hell (Abbadon, Stygia, Gehenna, Perdition, Sheol, Shal-Mari, Tartarus, Hades, and the Archives) and one to Beleth’s side of the Vale. They all act as the informants and guardians to Tyra about the specific status of each Principality, and know many secrets about each realm that even the Demon Princes who rule them do not. Some Princes fear these demons, for they may know things such as hidden Tethers in a realm, or other precious resources- maybe even where the Heart of the Prince are kept. As such, they act to reinforce the loyalty of the Prince, for at anytime what they are hiding may be quietly spoken off to the Game... as happened with Makatiel before his great escape. If any of these demons where to Redeem or be captured by Heaven, the information they could turn over would be a most certainly fatal blow for Hell. *Relations* Since Asmodeus created him, and Tyra still holds the Game philosophy close to his heart, he is Allied to his old master, and vice versa. Tyra holds good relations with the other Princes, even if they hate him in return, because they grudgingly accept the fact that he is a massive help in keeping the infernal realms from breaking apart into nothingness. Tyra is only hostile to Malphas because the Prince of Factions causes so much confusion about which border starts where, or what Tether belongs to who, and so on. Tyra is currently angry with Valefor, Vapula and Nybbas, if only because they stole and wrecked the older Principalities of Genubath, Meserach and Mariel, which Tyra had spent much time keeping in proper condition. Change does not sit well with Tyra. Allied: Asmodeus Associated: All the others Hostile: Malphas, Valefor, Vapula, Nybbas *Rites* -All of Tyra’s demons get 2 Essence at sunset instead of one -Defend a part of Hell from destruction -Capture an escaping Renegade (+2 Essence) -Slay an angel who is invading Hell (+3 Essence) *Chance of Invocation* None Well, his demons -do- spend all their time in Hell after all. Tyra makes sure to do a routine checkup of all his Servitors once a month, going from Principality to Principality to get reports. If Tyra –must- be contacted immediately, the demon may go to the entrance to the Lower Hells where he sits and speak to him, but it’s not advised to do so unless completely necessary. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:08:35 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Family resemblance - --- "Wajenberg, Earl" wrote: > People stare at lightning in fear, or awe, or surprise, > or delight. > Sometimes, the lightning is looking back. Studying their > faces. Nice. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:11:49 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Heretical Yves. - --- Prodigal wrote: > I'm not sure exactly why the discussion of Ninja Yves and > Pirate Kronos made > me think of Magical Girl Pretty Saminga, but no way am I > suffering through that one alone... !!! You wouldn't... would you? <8/ =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:15:32 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal Player's Guide Now Shipping The scream you hear is mingled joy -- the truck didn't get hit by a meteor after all! -- and frustration (they didn't remember to have a copy shipped to me from the printer! I don't have mine yet!). O:> - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:21:14 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Heretical Yves - --- Gregg Forge wrote: > Remember, if it's only cognitive, it's not REALLY > dissonant... ...said the Demon of Rationalization. };> =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:39:27 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> GURPS IN Characters... Lessee... http://www.sjgames.com/pyramid/sample.cgi?2606 has both IN and GIN stats. Drat -- I can't find Johan and Sapphira's conversions. Just their IN states. O:/ - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:34:34 +0100 From: "Shadur t'Kharn" Subject: Re: IN> Heretical Yves. In other news for Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 08:11:49AM -0800, Michael Walton has been seen typing: > !!! You wouldn't... would you? <8/ In a Heartbeat, and admit it, so would you if you'd thought of it first. >

Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. But who knows who? (dudududum, dudududum, dadadadam, dadadadanm.... ) Shad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:50:12 -0800 (PST) From: rob scwalen Subject: IN> possesion and non-shedim is it possible for demons other than the Shedim to posses mortal beings? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:58:08 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> possesion and non-shedim At 10:50 AM 2/14/2003 -0800, you wrote: >is it possible for demons other than the Shedim to >posses mortal beings? Possess as in "ride along"? Nope. Possess as in "take over"? Yep. Kyriotates and anyone with the Song of Possession (which is in the In Nomine core rules). (But Shedim can't do this *without* Possession... IIRC.) - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:53:58 -0800 From: "Phillip DesJardins" Subject: Re: IN> possesion and non-shedim > is it possible for demons other than the Shedim to > posses mortal beings? Anyone can posess someone, so long as they have the Song of Posession. For that matter, with the Song you can posess anything with as many or fewer Forces as you have. Phillip, Mercurian of Novalis The Happy Shiny Mercurian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:15:54 +0000 From: "Paul Kidd" Subject: IN> Essence Battery Does anyone know the rules for the Essence Battery mentioned in Revelations IV: Fall of the Malakim? I've search my copy about three times and still can't find any rules for it!! _________________________________________________________________ Worried what your kids see online? Protect them better with MSN 8 http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=186&DI=1059 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:21:42 +0000 From: "Paul Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> Heretical Yves. I'm thinking this was a three o'clock in the morning idea inspired by too much caffine and not enough sleep. :) It's still great. Now where did I put my throwing stars....? _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:26:16 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Essence Battery At 07:15 PM 2/14/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Does anyone know the rules for the Essence Battery mentioned in >Revelations IV: Fall of the Malakim? I've search my copy about three >times and still can't find any rules for it!! Without Rev4, I can't say for certain, but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that it's a simple reliquary, with Features that let it regenerate Essence quickly. You'll find them in Liber Reliquarum. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:28:22 -0800 From: "Phillip DesJardins" Subject: IN> New artfiact: Hoopty Car The first examples of this artifact were believed to be creations of Eli, though no-one has been able to reach him for comment on the subject as of yet. They universally appear as cars, usually of dubious quality, but this hides two qualities: 1) They never run out of gas, and 2) They are astonishingly hard to actually break. At level 1, this means they never show any more dents than they already have (see below), and will probably never need a tune-up. By the time you reach level 6 you could drop it off a cliff and find it at the bottom untouched. This, of course, makes them very popular with servants of the Wind, Theft, Creation and, surprisingly, Lightning. On the other hand, there's a price. A small one, but a price nonetheless: All Hoopty cars have 'floating flaws', a number equal to their level. These flaws are usually minor and never keep the car from operating, but can be most unusual: strange sounds or smells, startup requirements (like that it won't turn on unless you turn the brights on first), or nearly anything else. These flaws -can- be fixed, unfortunately doing so will result in a new flaw replacing it. Still, it's a small price to pay for a reliable ride. (Don't have the Liber Reliquarium, so I don't know what price would be reasonable) Phillip, Mercurian of Novalis The Happy Shiny Mercurian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:43:59 +0000 From: "Paul Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> Essence Battery EDG Wrote: >Without Rev4, I can't say for certain, but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts >that it's a simple reliquary, with Features that let it regenerate Essence >quickly. You'll find them in Liber Reliquarum. > Not sure it's a simple reliquary. Rev4 uses it as a major plot device. It has the ability to unleash vast ammounts of Essence, enough to destroy not just a Vessel, but someones Celestial Forces!! Still I'll try and get my hands on LIber Reliquarum. Cheers _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - fast, easy and FREE! http://messenger.msn.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:56:00 +0000 From: "Paul Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> Soul hits. >How many times can you sing the Song of Charm on someone to lower their >will? I've had a carefull read of the Song and can't see any reason why you couldn't sing it once and then hit the target again before the time (a number of rounds = to the performers celestial forces) was up. I don't really think it was designed this way. It kinda smacks of "munchkinism". HOWEVER I see no reason why several Celestials couldn't hit one poor sod with multiples of the song. >If your will is reduced, do your soul hits also get reduced? Since the song is only temporary I doubt it. It's not really the same as having your Will reduced by having a Celestial Force ripped out, is it? >What are some good tricks to get someone into their Celestial form? Have to get back to you on that (I'm still kinda new to In Nomine). Shooting them with an "itty-bitty" gun might work :) _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:15:53 -0800 From: Dawn Burnell Subject: IN> New to the List and a Couple of Questions Hiya all. Okay, that's enough introduction for now. I've got some things that have been running around in my brain, so I thought I'd share them. Just for fun, I'm going to list out some words that I think are important. Maybe the angels who hold them have been covered in a book I don't own (Main Core Rules, Heaven and Hell, The Marshes). But even if they have, think of this as a time to be creative. I'm wanting to know which superiors (main core rules only, please, not added ones unless you REALLY want) these angels would be under, and perhaps their choir. If you want to address a demon who holds the same word (or you don't think an angel would hold this world) go ahead and explore that (superiror and band). Here are the lists of words: Love Protection Belief (not Faith) Faith (if Kahlid doesn't exsist and you always wanted something else) Friendship Patterns Tradition Okay, that's all I can think of for now. Hope to see some interesting responses. Also, a question for the Superiors of this list, what is the rule on Non-Cannon stuff? Like stuff that specifically ignores later books? I'm asking in reference to adventure seeds and/or new Superiors. Thanks, Dawn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:43:09 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan M Roth Subject: Re: IN> New to the List and a Couple of Questions On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Dawn Burnell wrote: > Just for fun, I'm going to list out some words that I think are > important. Maybe the angels who hold them have been covered in a book I > don't own (Main Core Rules, Heaven and Hell, The Marshes). But even if > they have, think of this as a time to be creative. I'm wanting to know > which superiors (main core rules only, please, not added ones unless you > REALLY want) these angels would be under, and perhaps their choir. If > you want to address a demon who holds the same word (or you don't think > an angel would hold this world) go ahead and explore that (superiror and > band). > > Here are the lists of words: > Patterns First, Hi Dawn! Actually, one of the not-quite-formed ideas in my head at the moment was a dual write up for two celestials: the Angel of Patterns, and the Demon of Threads. The idea was that these two, unoffically, were the respective seconds-in-command for Yves and Kronos (or at least, they think they are the seconds-in-command. Kronos may only be toying with the Demon of Threads, and Yves's real second-in-command might be a Jack Russel terrier. You never know...). These words reflect the attitudes of their Superiors: the demon of Threads finds and focuses on those single, special, significant Fates which by themselves affect all of Creation, while the Angel of Patterns looks at all Destinies, trying to see the Big Picture. In this view, I would make the Angel of Patterns a Mercurian, with the Angel of Patterns attunement allowing him to focus his Divine Destiny attunement (& other divination abilities) on everyone connected to a person he's resonating on (and thus is able to gather a vast quantity of information all at once, and therefore see the whole pattern). An absolute headache for a GM, but this guy would be a NPC anyway. :) The demon of Threads is a lot more nebulous in my head now...maybe an Impudite for balance? Ryan R. rmr48@columbia.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:45:21 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> New to the List and a Couple of Questions From: "Dawn Burnell" > > Love It says in Andrealphus' writeup in Superiors 2 that destrying any angel granted Love as a Word would become the Prince of Lust's top priority. I expect that none have been named in a long time, simply because all the others were tempted into Falling or destroyed. > Protection Zadkiel, Archangel of Protection, is detailed in one of the Revelation Cycle books (was it Heaven & Hell? I can't remember.) Excepting Faith, none of the others has been listed as being assigned to anyone, as far as I can recall. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:27:26 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> possesion and non-shedim - --- rob scwalen wrote: > is it possible for demons other than the Shedim to > posses mortal beings? Of course. That's what the Song of Possession is for (core rules, p. 83). =====

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Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:31:14 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New artfiact: Hoopty Car You've been playing "Chez Geek," I see. 0:> =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:33:55 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Essence Battery - --- Paul Kidd wrote: > Not sure it's a simple reliquary. Rev4 uses it as a > major plot device. It > has the ability to unleash vast ammounts of Essence, > enough to destroy not > just a Vessel, but someones Celestial Forces!! Which suggests that the thing is a McGuffin with deliberately unquantified capabilities. If that's the case, go ahead and use it... and give it whatever abilities you want it to have. It goes without saying (but I'll say it anyway) that PC's should never know or be able to reliably use the full range of capabilities. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:39:22 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Soul hits. - --- Paul Kidd wrote: > I've had a carefull read of the Song and can't see any > reason why you > couldn't sing it once and then hit the target again > before the time (a > number of rounds = to the performers celestial forces) > was up. I don't > really think it was designed this way. It kinda smacks > of "munchkinism". > HOWEVER I see no reason why several Celestials couldn't > hit one poor sod with multiples of the song. Having a target under multiple applications of any Song of Charm in the same realm smacks of metagaming to me. There are no official rules to forbid it (maybe this belongs in the errata?), but there are ethical rules that do. I would rule that only one Song of Charm in each realm works on a target at any given time; a duplicate application resets the duration to that of the most recent Song. However, I think it's perfectly allright to hit someone with CelCharm to lower their Will and follow it up with EthCharm to lower Intelligence. I might also be talked into easing up to allow multiple applications in the same realm to effect different Attributes (i.e. one CelCharm to lower Will and a second to lower Perception). =====

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