in_nomine-digest Monday, February 24 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2973 In this digest: Re: IN> Gabriel cured? Belial Dead. IN> Clearly I'm tripping Re: IN> [! Series] Lights of Heaven Re: IN> A policeman, overdue for retirement Re: IN> "Leaders" of PC parties Fwd: Re: IN> Bright Malakim from James Walker Re: IN> Hell before the War and stuff IN> Re: IN Michael the Mercurian IN> Even the Vilest... Re: IN> Digest #1 Re: IN> Around the World in 80 Days Re: IN> Consider the Absent Re: IN> A policeman, overdue for retirement Re: IN> [Fic] Unprepared Re: IN> Even the Vilest... IN> Gabrael, Insane ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 00:33:55 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Gabriel cured? Belial Dead. At 11:58 AM -0800 2/22/03, rob scwalen wrote: > Would the destruction of Belial and the official dismissal of all charges of >Gabriel to cure her of her madness be likely to happen in IN canon. What Michael Nutt said, basically... - -- - --Elizabeth McCoy, In Nomine Line Editor (arcangel@io.com) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 01:09:45 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: IN> Clearly I'm tripping There's a mystical state I sometimes achieve when I'm tired and I've been staring at the computer screen too long. It's rather like that transition zone before I fall asleep, when the msyteries of the universe are laid bare before me and it ALL MAKES SENSE... at which point I fall asleep and remember upon waking only tat, for one shining moment, I *knew*. Anyway.... I'm in one of these zones now, and I was browsing the web for sources on gematria, the Jewish numerology, in the hopes of gleaning a usable game mechanic for my homebrew game _Diaspora_, when I stumbled upon a page that will convert a word into a gematrian value, and then compare it with other Hebrew words of the same value, because in this system if they have the same value they share similar meaning, right? Right! So I put in my name, and got nothing of interest (aside from the fact that I'm apparently the demon of December 1st), so naturally I started inputting IN names.... first one I put in was David. And what I got astounded me. David = 25. Other words with that value include: DKA To break IHI Metatron (!!!) IHI (again) Let there be IHVD Jehewid, God of Geburah of Binah IZCh Will be separated You all see this, right? David is *clearly* as aspect of the Godhead -- he's the broken (perhaps Qlippothic?) shell of the Metatron! The rumor that Hell was carved from the corpse of the Metatron is *clearly* in error -- it's the bedrock of HEAVEN! The consequences of this are staggering... On a related note, I have apparently discovered a worship rite to Moe. - -- Casca The link is http://www.mysticalinternet.com/gematria/lookup.php?system=hebrew . Don't destroy the universe without me. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 03:17:10 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> [! Series] Lights of Heaven >It hurt. > >And then it stopped. > O_O Next please. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:34:27 +0000 From: "Paul Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> A policeman, overdue for retirement >THE STORY YOU HAVE JUST READ IS TRUE. NO NAMES HAVE BEEN CHANGED. THE >TRIAL IS CURRENTLY BEING HELD IN THE ENTIRE SYMPHONY; RESULTS ARE >STILL PENDING. ONE DESTINY--AND ONE FATE--WILL BE JUDGED BY YOU. LOL! Got any stats for Joe? :) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - fast, easy and FREE! http://messenger.msn.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:20:25 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> "Leaders" of PC parties At 10:17 PM +0000 2/21/03, John Dallman wrote: [...] >So, what choir is your party organiser? Hmmmm.... Scarily enough, the Ofanite of the Wind seems to be the "motivating force" in the GURPS IN Yrth game. (Though it was the Stonie responsible for recruiting all those Soldiers. "As you perform the Song, they gape at you with the same expression as a GM who's just rolled a 111...") The Malakite (of Creation IST Flowers) is laid back, the Ofanite of Stone seems a bit more reactive (in keeping, really), and the character with amnesia who periodically turns into animals (when his player can't make it) is, um, an animal. And the Lilim of Tech is an NPC. [Any players who think the GM is overly biased and there's really another leader, or a shared leader, speak up!] In our Boston game (where Walter GMs), the leadership does seem to rest primarily upon the Seraph of Destiny -- with the Ofanite of Lightning as the 'second in command' motivating force. (Scarily, the Free Lilim in service to Lightning actually has some seniority over them both, but only by a few months so that's faded.) When around (i.e., when not GMing), the Elohite of Creation IST Lightning shares some leadership/planning/plotting duties. (Since, er, the Seraph is pretty much lousy at plotting.) I'm not sure if the other Boston game ever evolved a 'leader'... The _PLAYER_ of the Windy Ofanite and Creationer Elohite is the same, and would probably be cast as a Seraph or Elohite... O;> - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:31:31 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> Bright Malakim from James Walker >From: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 21:35:13 -0600 [Yeah, well, I have to wade through bounced spam to find these things... - --Beth] >Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:30:37 +1100 >From: James Walker >Subject: Re: IN> Bright Malakim > >> Maurice Lane wrote: >>Subject: >> >>Well, it's a nice writeup, > >Thank You. > > >>but I have a small problem >>- - which I can't really express. > >Oh good, it's nice to have revenge for the times you've left me >speechless! :-) > > >>You see, under normal >>circumstances I'd be raising an eyebrow (not >>seriously) about the oddity of Yves being a Bright >>Malakite. It seems a bit, well, out there - not to >>mention from out of left field. > >Fair call. But it seemed to fit - as Yves has all the time in the >world, and seemed to embody the idea I was describing. > >> >> EDG wrote: >>At 12:24 PM 2/15/2003 +1100, you wrote: >> >>>...adding the highest level Geas he possesses to the TN. >> >>Do you mean, perhaps, subtracting from the TN? Or do you wish to allow a >>Malakite with the Discord: Geas/6 to automatically "fail"? >Correct second time. I wrote this back when we had the ongoing "Need >to kill me" Lilim; also I tend to treat the Lilim resonance as a >corruption of a divine gift when writing my personal heresies, so >having God fix the problem seemed appropriate. > >-- >"Life has been so much more surreal since the arrival of my Holy Twin." > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:53:15 +0200 From: Mervi.Hamalainen@uta.fi Subject: Re: IN> Hell before the War and stuff Thanks for all the replys. From: Stephen Dunscombe >It's canon.... somewhere... Sups 3 writeup of Gabriel >I think... that, in his fight with Lucifer, Michael >knocked the top off the mountain that became Gabriel's >volcano, and that this top became the "foundation of >Hell". Whatever that means on the celestial plane. ^^ Nice image. From: "William J. Keith" snip >Hell would probably have been totally void until bounded by the pieces of >the Volcano that fell with Lucifer. Perhaps if a demon dug far enough they >would open up a hole onto a mind-numbingly vast expanse of nothingness. :^) snip Hmmm... Maybe the top "opened" a way to Hell. snip >An Impudite can stand *violence*, but doesn't want to see humans *dead*. >This kind of Lucifer would be very much like Andrealphus, I think, with a >dash of Fleurity. He would be intensely against religion, . Hell's goals >would be much more alluring(sex, drugs, rock'n'roll), much less violent. snip Ah, the Andre-Fleurity-Nybbas triangle as Lucifer... And the three would also be more influential than Baal... Err, don't know if I want *that* kind of campaign. ;) From: Asher Densmore-Lynn >An angel of the choir -most- divine could see humanity as unworthy. > >But if God's firstborn was of the choir -least- divine? > >Lucifer would've been met with laughs. And that's assuming he was First >Seraph. If he'd been a Mercurian, I don't even see the matter coming up. snip I dunno. Mercurians are just as capable of envy and pride and Falling as Seraphim. A Mercurian Lucifer could have seen humans unworthy because they weren't as intelligent as angels. Or any other reasons that Mercs use today when they Fall. But the number of Fallen angels in the First Fall could have been smaller because merc-Lucifer maybe couldn't have persuaded so many angels that he right. Mervi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:03:43 +0200 From: Mervi.Hamalainen@uta.fi Subject: IN> Re: IN Michael the Mercurian From: Cameron McCurry >Michael's Servitors have varied responsibilities throughout Earth. It is >their duty to teach humans how to fight against the threat of Hell with >weapons as well as words. They have the greatest amount of Soldiers and >Saints in different capacities, the most efficient espionage network in >existence (Courtesy of Michael's second-in-command Nisroc) and have been >known to bring demons down simply by feeding information to other demons. >Their natures are contradictory as angels go; they love peace with almost fighting dirty. Somewhat different than the canon Michael and still so.. so.. Michael! Great! Mervi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:09:43 -0500 From: "Joey's mail" Subject: IN> Even the Vilest... The Malakite smiled broadly, as he finished his story. "And so, with great resolve, I challenged the vile creature in Celestial combat, and destroyed its vile form, ending its existence. Luckily, the host wasn't harmed." Other warrior Angels who had congregated by the Halls of Worship to hear the Malakite's story eagerly nodded their heads, and a few younger Virtues applauded. "Those Shedim are an awful lot," the Malakite said. "Nothing redeemable about a single one of them." "Nothing at all?" Said an unfamiliar voice. A Kyriotate floated forward. The Domination had been floating quietly, unnoticed by the Angels who had congregated to hear the proud Malakite. "Not a thing?" "Ignore it, it's a Novalite," a Seraph said disdainfully. "Wait," said the Kyriotate. "I will agree with you to a point; Shedim are, indisputably, the vilest creatures in existence." The crowd mumbled a bit, but the Kyrio waved a briefly manifested hand to silence them. "However, they are not unredeemable. I should know." "You were a Shedite once?" The Kyriotate nodded its head. "I now call myself Sudariel. And I was once a Shedite. Long ago. I shall now tell you my story. "I was a lowly servitor of Mammon, Prince of Greed. Like most of the Fleshless, I slowly corrupted the innocent; the most generous, philanthropic, wonderful people, I turned into bitter misers. I reveled in my work, spreading greed and hatred. I made people do abhorrent, terrible things. I never questioned that what I was doing was wrong, I knew--knew I was right. "Then...I posessed a girl...one of the purest, most beautiful and generous beings in creation. She not only had the God-given strength of will to resist my machinations, but a pure spirit that inspired selflessness in the desestable creature I was. After weeks of pondering the beauty of this creature, I returned to Mammon's territory of Shal Mari, and smashed my heart. And I wandered the Earth." "But how did you avoid developing massive amounts of Discord? How did you go on without corrupting the innocent?" The mouths manifesting on the Kyriotate smiled. "No one ever said that Shedim have to corrupt the innocent." Murmers mustered around the crowd, and then paused so Sudariel could finish its story. "To a Shedite, corruption is doing something that the host finds reprehensible. After trying to avoid it, I managed to posess the ones like I used to be--a greedy miser. And I knew that generosity was something he would never consider. So I began to urge him to charity, giving away his money and posessions to those in need. Indeed, it was something that the man would have never done in the first place...and that's when I encountered servitors of Novalis, who brought me before her for Redemption." A silence came over the crowd, and the Kyriotate turned and began to float away. "Remember...everyone, even the vilest, has something within them, a call to righteousness, that will lead to redemption." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:48:59 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Digest #1 - --- EDG wrote: > Okay, stupid question, but I figured I'd ask. > > Does anyone have a copy of Digest #1, the first > digest of the INML? The > archives start at #2. Here is this text of the first message ever posted to the IN List: "This is a test. I think there's some problem with the list." Well, at least the problem's been a consistent one. :) Seriously, thanks for getting the old digests up. Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 01/21/03 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:03:10 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Around the World in 80 Days Heh heh... this I like. =====

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Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:08:25 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Consider the Absent Very nice. An excellent portrayal of the Jordite perspective. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:13:52 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> A policeman, overdue for retirement Friggin' A! I like this a lot. And as one who is old enough to have seen the original Dragnet first run, I say that the new series is a worthy successor. Look out, Beleth... Friday's back! =====

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Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:12:12 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Even the Vilest... [bows and hands over Essence] =====

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Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:56:09 -0800 (PST) From: rob scwalen Subject: IN> Gabrael, Insane Was it the combination of word-friction from Belial and the charges pressed on her from Dominic that made her go nuts? If Dominic never brought her to trial would the word friction alone have made you loose it? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2973 ********************************