in_nomine-digest Wednesday, February 26 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2975 In this digest: RE: IN> Forms of *OLD* cherubs... IN>Cherub of War question Re: IN>Cherub of War question Re: IN>Cherub of War question Re: IN> [! Series] Lights of Heaven IN> Suggestion to Any Artists Looking For Something Weird to Do... Re: IN> Suggestion to Any Artists Looking For Something Weird to Do... IN> I'm not as young as I used to be. IN> Character stats IN> Big Bad Mike Re: IN> Suggestion to Any Artists Looking For Something Weird to Do... Re: IN> I'm not as young as I used to be. IN> Newbie! With questions, too. IN> The Giant Teleporting Pan-Dimensional Lemon OF DOOM Re: IN> Newbie! With questions, too. Re: IN> Newbie! With questions, too. RE: IN> Newbie! With questions, too. Re: IN> The Giant Teleporting Pan-Dimensional Lemon OF DOOM Re: IN> The Giant Teleporting Pan-Dimensional Lemon OF DOOM Re: IN>Cherub of War question Re: IN> Character stats Re: IN> Newbie! With questions, too. Re: IN> Big Bad Mike Re: IN> Suggestion to Any Artists Looking For Something Weird to Do... Re: IN> Newbie! With questions, too. RE: IN> Suggestion to Any Artists Looking For Something Weird to Do... IN> An Ethereal Feeling ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 04:34:51 +0800 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: RE: IN> Forms of *OLD* cherubs... About this adventure seed -- if Novalis gets her way and all plants are declared the equal of humans, what will animals (and humans) eat? Even Jordi doesn't have a problem with the food chain; he just thinks humans should have to earn a place on it like everyone else. Janet Anderson ************************************************* Seraph: What do we want to do if he turns out to be an infernal? Malakite: I'm kinda hoping we don't find that out definitively. Leaving a long string of bodies behind us isn't a really good idea. - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:20:29 -0800 (PST) From: zombi_bobb@muchneededrest.com Subject: IN>Cherub of War question Am I interpretting this attunement wrong? When it says barring celestial intervention is that only in regards to the cherub's (or fellow angel's) action to stop the death, or is celestial intervention also demonic influence, as in a demon can shoot the ward without early warning bells? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:39:22 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN>Cherub of War question - --- zombi_bobb@muchneededrest.com wrote: > When it says barring celestial intervention is that only > in regards to the > cherub's (or fellow angel's) action to stop the death, or > is celestial > intervention also demonic influence, as in a demon can > shoot the ward without early warning bells? As I read it, the Cherub automatically knows when his charge is slated to die by natural causes (including accident or incident)within 24 hours. He can still sense danger to his Attuned by means of his Resonance, though, so a demonic attacker will still set off warning bells. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:44:46 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN>Cherub of War question >When it says barring celestial intervention is that only in regards to the >cherub's (or fellow angel's) action to stop the death, or is celestial >intervention also demonic influence, as in a demon can shoot the ward >without early warning bells? Demons too. The attunement simply warns about natural dangers. The Cherub will only be aware of the demonic threat via his regular resonance. William ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:21:49 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> [! Series] Lights of Heaven - --- EDG wrote: > At 12:26 AM 2/25/2003 -0500, Eric Bertish wrote: > I'll probably turn > out another ! story just to figure that out myself. I look forward to reading it. Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 01/21/03 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:38:55 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Suggestion to Any Artists Looking For Something Weird to Do... ...pirate Superiors. That is, all AAs/DPs in pirate guise (except for at least Laurence, who'd get to be the Dashing Hero, of course). When this came up in conversation, the response I most remember from my girlfriend was "I guess Andre's response to this would be "Oh, boy! Rum, sodomy AND a cat-o-nine-tails!"" I sometimes think that I have a somewhat different domestic dynamic going on than most people. Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 01/21/03 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:32:22 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Suggestion to Any Artists Looking For Something Weird to Do... > I sometimes think that I have a somewhat different > domestic dynamic going on than most people. Curiously, the aforementioned dynamic translates perfectly into anime: weird guy living with two women, both smarter and zanier than he. All you need is a cat or a creepy horny old guy and it'd be complete. - -- Casca, slightly disturbed because he knows what niche he'd fill in that continuum ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:01:40 -0500 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> I'm not as young as I used to be. > On the other hand, it seems to have been replaced by Michael Jackson's > "Thriller". > > - -EDG > Yes, this is probably only funny to me. I got it, but only because I had a roommate who listened to a radio station that played it every 15 minutes. I suppose Tomas, Angel of Catchy Tunes, was happy. Would the "Demon of Overexposure" be Fate (A no-talent gets lucky with a one-hit wonder and can't get over himself), Media (obvious), or Dark Humor (Celebrity Boxing - 'nuff said)? Could there be an up and comming Demon of Michael Jackson? I'll have to dig out (and finish) my Demon of Elvis. And his subbordinate, a fallen Creationer, the Demon of Velvet Elvis Paintings. (Have to type them in, too.) "I'm not as young as I used to be. But I'm not as old as I'm going to get!" - -Hagar the Horrible ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:19:06 -0500 From: "The Childers" Subject: IN> Character stats I've played In Nomine, and read much on the Web, but haven't actually managed to buy the books yet. So I can't put up stats for any of my ideas. That does mean that if anyone else wants to put up stats for my characters (for the Ethereal Joe Friday or anything else), please go ahead. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:21:14 -0500 From: "The Childers" Subject: IN> Big Bad Mike Lucifer muttered to himself as he looked around at the assembled Council. "Dominic I expected to be gone...Yves I knew was possible...but Novalis gone too? It's worse than I thought. HE's worse..." "Enough." said Lawrence sternly. "You said that you explain everything as soon as the Council was assembled." The rest of the much diminished Council also glared coldly at the Prince of Darkness. "Um, yes." said Lucifer. "OK, we've cooperated before, on the unfortunate Legion incident. And, um, you may have noticed that Michael was acting strangely lately..." Cold silence. "I really didn't mean for things to turn out like this..." More silence. "I mean, I figured, hey, you need Factions to have a War, why not have Malphas work on him? Worked better than I hoped, too." Lucifer sneered at his audience. "You idiots! You KNEW you were divided into a War Faction and a Peace Faction and you never figured it out?...Waitwaitwaitwait! You do need to hear what I have to say, so let's hold off the smiting, OK?" Lawrence looked at Gabriel; Lucifer breathed a little easier as she grudgingly settled back in her seat. "OK, then, so a little whispering in his ear about Dominic, a few setups where we don't tempt a few Angels *quite* all the way and let them be caught for trial, and we have the Archangel of War deliberately acting without Judgement. And the rest of you are blaming Dominic for the problems..." he glanced nervously over at Gabriel. "Hey, I'm showing you a lot of my best cards here! So you know I'm serious! OK. I'll make it short. So it works. Michael Falls. The rest of it...didn't turn out so well. Um, let me show you...waitwaitwait! It's just one of Nybass' recording devices! You need to see this yourselves! Really!" "Let him show it," said Lawrence. "Uh, yes, thank you," said Lucifer. "Well, anyway, I'd always figured Michael was holding back against Baal--that's why my primary plan was to have Malphas deal with him--but I didn't realize how much he'd been holding back. Um, the important part's here, at the very end..." The device showed a horribly wounded Baal lying under the matt black coils of a fearsome Balseraph. "Prince of War, my a**." it said in Michael's voice. "Ooh, excuse me--Prince of THE War. Biiiig difference. Heh. At least Belial has the b**** to take a little Word friction. Know what you are, Baal?" the Balseraph of War bent down to the Demon Prince. "You're not the Demon Prince of 'the' War. A wuss like you has NO right to any title that has anything to do with War. And you sure as s*** aren't the Archangel of Valor, either. What you are--you're the Demon Prince of F****** Losers. Got it?" "And that's why I came here. Whatever you want to do to me, it won't be as bad as what Michael will do," said Lucifer. He looked around. "Michael didn't *just* Fall. Know what I mean? Because right then, Baal quit being Demon Prince of The War. And I don't mean he Redeemed either. He's the Demon Prince of, um, Losers now. He's still got an Infernal Word--" Lucifer's voice quavered. "Just not the one *I* gave him." - ---------------------------- Meanwhile, in Hell, Belial's corpse fell beside those of Kronos and Haagenti. "I SAID, Lucifer's rebellion is over. I kicked your a**** in the Name of the Lord." said Michael as he wiped his axe on the side of the Granite Throne. "Anyone else stupid enough to try me?" He kicked Baal, Prince of F****** Losers and currently Michael's footstool, for emphasis. The assembled Demon Princes were silent--except for one. "HaaaarrrrdCOOOOORRREEEE," crooned Furfur, his eyes glistening in adoration. The other Demon Princes edged away from him. Michael smirked at Furfur. "D*** right," he said. "OK," he continued. "At least ONE of you got it. Lucifer is gone, his pansy a** is hiding somewhere, your rebellion is over, and I'm in charge around here now. Man, victory was EASY when I finally got rid of the deadwood that was supposedly on my side! So. There's gonna be some changes around here..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:04:27 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Suggestion to Any Artists Looking For Something Weird to Do... From: "Maurice Lane" > > When this came up in conversation, the response I most > remember from my girlfriend was "I guess Andre's > response to this would be "Oh, boy! Rum, sodomy AND a > cat-o-nine-tails!"" Saminga Shedite Prince of Skull And Crossbones "The world be EVERY man on a dead man's chest, Arrrrrr." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:08:42 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> I'm not as young as I used to be. From: "BC Petery" > > Would the "Demon of Overexposure" be Fate (A no-talent gets lucky with a > one-hit wonder and can't get over himself), Media (obvious), or Dark Humor > (Celebrity Boxing - 'nuff said)? Media, IST Hardcore. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:31:56 -0800 (PST) From: Beryllium Subject: IN> Newbie! With questions, too. Hello. I'm a relative newcomer to IN (just bought the blue Core Rules book last December), and have a couple questions that I've ru n up against. I'm trying to convert the setting to ru n using another set of rules, and graft it onto another campaign setting entirely. Seeing as how it's basically sci-fi in nature... 1) How the heck would Celestials regenerate Essence while on worlds that were tide-locked by their parent bodies? Since there's no day and night, there wouldn't be any sort of su nrise, or su nset. Plus, there's the issue of munchkins having their heroes stay at the planet's terminator (the place where day meets night), and perpetually regenerating Essence. I don't want to confine things to a 24-hour period, either, since in this setting, the Celestials have Universe-wide jurisdiction, and are looking after more than just humanity. So, how would you define "day", "sunrise", and "sunset" in this sort of setting? 2) What are the size limits for things that a Cherub can attune to? I don't have the APG, and I don't think it was mentioned in the Core Rules. Could a Cherub, in theory, attune to something like a very large starship, or a space station? Could it attune to nanite-style machines? Thanks. And I hope this ends up in text mode. - --Beryllium, Elohite of Creation IST Jean. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:40:54 -0500 From: EDG Subject: IN> The Giant Teleporting Pan-Dimensional Lemon OF DOOM Thanks, Unni. -_-;; - -EDG Novalis has some pretty strange things in her garden. It's to be expected. The ambient Essence near a major Tether locus can be much like the ambient radiation near a nuclear facility: not particularly harmful in the short term, but producing all kinds of "interesting" effects in the long run. This particular lemon tree has been growing at the site of one of Novalis's largest North American Tethers for roughly four thousand years now; with that many generations, and that much Essence, something was bound to happen. In this case, the first thing anybody noticed was that the lemons and the tree on which they grew were getting larger with each successive generation. A thousand years in, they were the size of baseballs; in this day and age, the tree can barely support the basketball-sized fruit. They haven't lost any of their citric properties along the way, and haven't really experienced any outwardly noticeable side effects; in fact, were it not for the metaphysical effects they seem to have evolved, they would be perfect for use with, say, Jordi's giant lobsters. These metaphysical side effects, however, makes the lemons rather more useful. Anyone, or anything, which comes into contact with the juice, rind, or pulp of one of these lemons has thirty seconds to spend 1 Essence and think of any location on Earth where plant life grows; doing so causes the thinker to immediately teleport, along with up to 100 pounds of carried material, to that location. This makes a small disturbance - the total Forces of the thinker, distributed evenly across the points of departure and arrival - and in addition creates a tiny corporeal thunderclap at both points. (Whatever part of the lemon the thinker came into contact with is, sadly, destroyed in the process of teleporting.) The juice of these lemons also has a secondary effect; by spending 2 Essence and hurling a pint of the juice at an opponent, the user may teleport that opponent to a location of the user's choice - again, anywhere on Earth where plant life grows. This requires a successful Throwing roll (the target may Dodge), and in addition to being teleported, the victim takes twice the CD of the Throwing roll in Body hits, as the exceptionally powerful citric acid takes effect. (Armor will absorb this as normal.) One-pint bottles of this extra-strong lemon juice are sold for 1 CP each - or for $4.99 at your local grocer. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:46:11 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Newbie! With questions, too. At 07:31 AM 2/26/2003 -0800, Beryllium wrote: >1) So, how would you define "day", "sunrise", >and "sunset" in this sort of setting? Define a time period for a day on the celestial plane. (24 hours is handy. ;) Creatures gain Essence once per celestial day: angels at 0, demons at 0 + (1/2 day), and everything else at 0 + (1/4 day) (for creatures who regenerate at "noon") or 0 + (3/4 day) (for creatures who regenerate at "midnight". >2) What are the size limits for things that a Cherub >can attune to? Without the APG handy, I'm tempted to say that you should use the same logic that Kyriotates of Jean do: a single *part* of a larger mechanical gestalt is fair game, and there's no lower limit. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:44:18 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Newbie! With questions, too. > 1) How the heck would Celestials regenerate Essence > while on worlds that were tide-locked by their parent > bodies? Since you don't want to use the once-every-24 hours rule, lift the restrictions on Rites. That way you won't have to worry about dawn, dusk, and the like. > Could a Cherub, in > theory, attune to something like a very large > starship, or a space station? You might want to institue a house rule of, say, 100 pounds per Corporeal Force. > Could it attune to > nanite-style machines? Remember that the Cherub needs to *touch* what it's attuning to (or, in the case of Swordies, see them). - -- Casca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:50:09 -0500 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: IN> Newbie! With questions, too. Hm. Essence regeneration in cosmic In Nomine. How about this? -- If the body they're on has dawn and dusk, all well and good. If not, celestials regenerate at the rhythm of the last circadian cycle they were in. So, if a celestial hops ship from Earth, they keep their Earth rhythm all the time they're in the spaceship and all the time they're on a oneface world, up until they touch down on a circadian world. Then, the new rhythm takes over. They might get cheated of one point, or get one extra point, but that would be it until they lifted off again. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:52:01 +0100 (CET) From: Unni Solaas Subject: Re: IN> The Giant Teleporting Pan-Dimensional Lemon OF DOOM On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, EDG wrote: > Thanks, Unni. -_-;; > > -EDG > > Novalis has some pretty strange things in her garden. > *blink* *blinkblinkblink* I am speechless! Did I really cause /that/? o.O *breaks out in the giggles* - -- language, n; an intangible artificial construct for obscuring one's meanings and intentions to others. -ppint. Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:50:18 -0800 From: Kim Kondratieff Subject: Re: IN> The Giant Teleporting Pan-Dimensional Lemon OF DOOM On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 07:40 AM, EDG wrote: > Thanks, Unni. -_-;; > > -EDG *rolls around, howling at the title* I WANT ONE OF THESE! XDDD - --Kim Angel of Random Enthusiasm, OF DOOM!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:11:21 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN>Cherub of War question At 8:20 PM -0800 2/25/03, zombi_bobb@muchneededrest.com wrote: >When it says barring celestial intervention is that only in regards to the >cherub's (or fellow angel's) action to stop the death, or is celestial >intervention also demonic influence, as in a demon can shoot the ward >without early warning bells? No early warning bells from his _Choir Attunement_ if a celestial of any stripe tries to take potshots at the attuned -- his Cherub resonance will warn him normally. - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:54:37 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Character stats At 8:19 AM -0500 2/26/03, The Childers wrote: >I've played In Nomine, and read much on the Web, but haven't actually >managed to buy the books yet. You realize, I'm obligated to plug www.warehouse23.com now, right? Right? O;> - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:03:38 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Newbie! With questions, too. At 7:31 AM -0800 2/26/03, Beryllium wrote: [...] >1) How the heck would Celestials regenerate Essence >while on worlds that were tide-locked by their parent >bodies? [...] Define Earth (or somewhere) as the center of the (celestial) universe, and bind Essence to _that_, instead. Have Heaven and Hell have "day" and "night" in tune with that Center, and lock it to celestial day/night. I suggest a flat 25 hours, or maybe 20... O;> Sure, it's a pain to keep track of, but... Or disallow "free" Essence entirely -- they can get a "daily" stipend for X minutes of prayer/anti-prayer, instead. What does "daily" mean? Whatever the biggest nearby concentration of humans/sapient corporeal mortals count as a "day," that's what. *evil grin* >2) What are the size limits for things that a Cherub >can attune to? [...] Buildings! >Could a Cherub, in >theory, attune to something like a very large >starship, or a space station? Sure. There's discussion about them attuning to buildings, after all... Mind, if they attune to the whole blessed thing, that means they get very snarky when people dent the walls... >Could it attune to nanite-style machines? I would not allow that, frankly -- the Cherub must be able to touch the thing it's attuning to, and in this case, I'd say be able to perceive it... Now, if you hook up a high-mag camera and perch the nanite on the Cherub's finger, then it can attune. To ONE nanite. Frankly, that's probably a good way to make a Cherub dissonant, but you can let your PCs learn that for themselves... >Thanks. And I hope this ends up in text mode. Seems to be! O:> - -- - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:17:43 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Big Bad Mike Oh, my. This is... different. }8> =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:20:11 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Suggestion to Any Artists Looking For Something Weird to Do... - --- Prodigal wrote: > Saminga > Shedite Prince of Skull And Crossbones Oo! Oo! I got one! Vephar Calabite Prince of the Seven Seas "The world be vast as the sea, mateys! Sail on, sail on!" =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:29:51 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Newbie! With questions, too. - --- Beryllium wrote: > 1) How the heck would Celestials regenerate Essence > while on worlds that were tide-locked by their parent > bodies? It's been said on the list that characters regenerate Essence every 24 hours regardless of day/night cycles (which is why Celestials who go to the poles don't have to wait six months). In an SF campaign you can simply set it at the solar cycle (day) length of the character's current location. Even tide-locked worlds can have rotation; it just happens to synchronize with their revolution around their primaries (which is why the lunar "day" is about 28 days). Or you could make the 24-hour cycle the default for times when there is no actual sunrise and sunset. > 2) What are the size limits for things that a Cherub > can attune to? None are given in canon, but the angel must be able to touch the item (except for Cherubim of the Sword, who can attune by sight). I'd allow a Cherub or Djinn to attune to a starship because attuning to vehicles is canon. As for nanites, it depends on how you define them. Is a group of nanites one thing or is it a multitude of smaller things? Also, Swordies couldn't use their attunement on nano because it's too small to see. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

Smart knows what. Intelligence knows how. Wisdom knows why. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:33:58 -0500 From: "Finder, Randolph J Mr NGB-ARNG" Subject: RE: IN> Suggestion to Any Artists Looking For Something Weird to Do... > > Saminga > > Shedite Prince of Skull And Crossbones > Vephar > Calabite Prince of the Seven Seas > > "The world be vast as the sea, mateys! Sail on, sail on!" Mammon Balseraph Prince of Treasure "The world be one treasure ship after another, so long as we sail the Spanish Main!" Randy Finder ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:48:13 -0500 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> An Ethereal Feeling Walked into my FLGS and picked up the EPG today. It was a heady feeling after waiting for so long for this book to be released, but there was more to it than that. First of all, Rebecca and David are both authors whose work I admire a great deal, but for very different reasons: R. Sean for her evocative imagery and David for his insightful prose & elegant mechanics. You can see this fascinating synthesis going on in the final product, which is really cool. Nicely done. Secondly, it was great to look at the Playtester list and see all these great people, 2/3 of whom I've had the pleasure of knowing on this list or elsewhere. Yea for us. Thirdly, it was vindicating to see the hard work of Elizabeth McCoy paying off. She backed this book when most people at SJGames seemed less than interested. Bravo. The only sad part is that I'm not involved in any In Nomine games at the moment, but you can be sure that large portions of this stuff will somehow find its way into my weekly Nobilis sessions. I'm still an IN junkie at heart. Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2975 ********************************