From owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Fri Oct 10 13:29:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17629 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:29:18 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA21824 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:22:07 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:22:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199710101722.MAA21824@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #399 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@LISTS.IO.COM Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, October 10 1997 Volume 01 : Number 399 In this digest: IN> Tethers of Janus and Valefor IN> Yvelluminati Re: IN> Tethers of Janus and Valefor Re: IN> backwards Re: IN> backwards Re: IN> backwards IN> Aliens and Predators and Celestials, Oh my. [Was Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors at the Movies] Re: IN> Aztecs Re: IN> backwards IN> Janus, Valefor, and the Rest Re: IN> backwards Re: IN> Janus, Valefor, and the Rest Re: IN> backwards Re: IN> backwards Re: IN> backwards Re: IN> Tethers of Janus and Valefor Re: IN> Janus, Valefor, and the Rest Re: IN> backwards Re: IN> Bast Re: IN> On Playing Evil IN> Quick Question (was: Purgatory) Re: IN> On playing demons Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors at the Movies Re: IN> backwards Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors at the Movies Re: IN> Bast IN> [FLUFF] Superiors *in* the Movies Re: IN> backwards IN> Hellhounds Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors *in* the Movies Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors *in* the Movies Re: IN> Baltimore Re: IN> backwards Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors *in* the Movies Re: IN> Bast Re: IN> Hellhounds IN> 187 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 22:19:49 EST From: "PERRY M. LLOYD" Subject: IN> Tethers of Janus and Valefor >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 01:21:23 -0400 >From: David Edelstein >Well, first of all, I don't think a Tether HAS to have a Seneschal -- it >would just be awfully vulnerable and probably not last long if it doesn't. > >But with regards to Janus and Valefor, I'll bet they can give special >dispensations to their Seneschals (either that or they appoint a "team" of >Seneschals that take turns standing Seneschal-duty). > From a conversation at an earlier date, it was suggested that Janus and Valefor might have moving Tethers. Likes a very special min-van, train or bus. This would allow the Tether to have Seneschals that aren't soggies or sohos. Soho? Soldiers of Hell? Did I just make that up? Anyway, yeah. Moving Tethers. I'd bet the Tether of the Wind (sounds ironic) would create quite a stir as it came into town. :) - -Perry Perry M. Lloyd "Remember! Napalm sticks to kids!" "You are my secret concubine, why are you in my gaming group?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:26:00 -0700 (PDT) From: nightgaunt@earthlink.net (Alexander Shearer) Subject: IN> Yvelluminati A disturbing little thought, on having reread the description of Yves: "Yves is not omniscient, but he knows the names of all things, everything that has ever been written down, and --as Archangel of Destiny -- all of the best and brightest possibilities for the world." [p. 134, IN] So...what if that's /all/ Yves sees? Maybe the enigmatic old guy can see the best possible outcome, but has no idea what else might happen, or even how to get there. Frustrating stuff. It certainly explains why he tends to smile calmly and give remarkably indirect answers -- in most cases, poor Yves has no idea! With a little lead time, he can go have a heart-to-heart with a small, trusted group of Cherubim and Mercurians in his service. Ignore the man behind the curtain, right? Alexander Shearer nightgaunt@earthlink.net gaunt@uclink4.berkeley.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 00:43:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Tethers of Janus and Valefor On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, PERRY M. LLOYD wrote: > "Remember! Napalm sticks to kids!" Being ex-Army, I know where this is from... > "You are my secret concubine, why are you in my gaming group?" ...but I have no clue about this. I suspect there's an amusing story about it, and since list traffic has suddenly slowed, how about sharing? - -- Casca (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 02:22:08 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> backwards > > If you can work it out I would be very interested > > STYX > > Oh, great, something else to keep me from getting anything done at > work. :) > > The Master is gonna have a fit. Well, it ain't going up for a while, if it does at all. And when it does, some of the biggest superiors having a list of people I think fit their personality well - Dominic is taken (don't every cry at once - and I don't mean taken in that way...), as is Lilith (assuming our friendly neighbor hood LE is interested). > - Em, Happy Fun Balseraph "Happy fun Malakim! Do not taunt happy fun Malakim!" Now where the hell did that quote come from, originally? All I remember is that it was in a .sig some time back. Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. - George Carlin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 02:22:08 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> backwards > > Unfortunately, the best you are going to do (AFAIK) is the In > > Nomine digests - I put some of my ideas on the list a while ago, > > as have Oops and Em (and whoever posted the idea of Angels being > > demons that God improved - I liked the idea, I forget your name). > > that would be me... i'm still playing with the idea, and with > other ideas that have been posted... i still have time, since my > gaming group hasn't gotten it together enough yet to actually meet > and play... I know the feeling - I have a good group to GM, and no time to do it in... > i'm *really* liking the idea of Janus and Valefor being the same > entity... i'm working on trying to fit in the theory that he/they > are Mercury in disguise (not that unlikely, really)... Maybe he was quick enough to avoid loosing power in the rewriting of the symphony, or maybe he took refuge as the AA/DP to prevent just such a loss... Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. - George Carlin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 01:54:57 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> backwards >"Happy fun Malakim! Do not taunt happy fun Malakim!" > >Now where the hell did that quote come from, originally? All I >remember is that it was in a .sig some time back. > Happy Fun Ball was from a fake ad on SNL back when it was still vaguely funny. The take is, the commercial takes about ten seconds to show how much fun HFB is, and then spends some two minutes going through various disclaimers. "Happy Fun Ball may stick to certain types of skin." "When not in use, Happy Fun Ball should be stored in a refrigerator at a constant temperature of 40 degrees F." "Happy Fun Ball's center is filled with a mysterious glowing liquid found in a meteorite which fell to earth, presumably from space." "If Happy Fun Ball begins to smoke, set it down carefully, cover your mouth, move away quickly, and call the authorities." and the classic "Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball." There were a number of other disclaimers, but these are the ones I remember offhand. Several people, including GweepCo member and #Eyrie collaborator Richard 'NinjaRat' Pieri, have used Happy Fun Ball for .sig fodder. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 03:31:03 -0400 From: Nana Yaw Ofori Subject: IN> Aliens and Predators and Celestials, Oh my. [Was Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors at the Movies] At 7:46 PM -0500 10/9/1997, you wrote: > >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:41:53 -0500 (CDT) >From: Dorothy Bixler >Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors at the Movies >> VAPULA - Species. (Hmmm, that looks familiar.... must check my notes and see >> if someone's been smuggling copies to Burbank....) > >Are Donald and I the only ones who's given Vap the vessel Queen Alien/6? Mmm...Probably. \|=) From what I've seen, the Aliens don't strike me as a technological species at all. I haven't read most of the books, but I've only seen two cases where Aliens used any kind of tech at all, and one case had the alien in question being a robot, and the other was a particularly disastrous failure of a taming program. Every indication I'd recieved from the Dark Horse stuff made me believe they were a perfectly natural species, though one with a pretty good number of uses, and several really big drawbacks to people trying to use them. If there's any Celestial Superior I'd give a Queen Alien vessel, it would be Jordi. They're certainly wild enough for him, and one of the few large species who can hold their own against the advance of Mankind, consistently. Plus they have that hive mind thing going. Sure, they have this habit of reaving the ecosystems of whatever planet they're taken to, but that's not their fault, they apparently don't spacefare on their own. They've got an incredibly high birth rate, and a number of reasonably powerful defenses, which makes me think they're pretty low on the Food Chain in wherever they're from originally. If they are designed, i can see them as Vessels for the relatively nonexistant Calabim of Technology, though that's pretty iffy. In the Aliens universe, Vapula fits the side of the Company much better than the Aliens. As for the Predators, Baal or Mikey, not Vap. Sure they've got some neat toys, but these toys haven't changed much in the couple hundred years since the movies took place, as far as I can tell. And there's that honor thing of theirs. All in all, though, they strike me as a species in decline, abandoning everything for the thrill of the hunt Granted, I've read even less of the Predator stuff than the Alien stuff. = http://www.io.com/~beholder ===================== nofori@pop3.utoled.edu === Nana-Yaw "The Fish" Ofori, Freelance Soldier of Heck, presenty serving Legion, Party of six thousand. Smoking or Non? ===== ><{{"> ============ "Life's a Fish, then you Fry." ======= <"}}>< ====== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:57:58 -0400 From: "Thomas Davidson" Subject: Re: IN> Aztecs - ---------- > From: Martin Leslie Leuschen > To: in_nomine-digest > Subject: IN> Aztecs > Date: Thursday, October 09, 1997 11:51 AM > > "... but being forced into the Marches while the European powers > devastated their followers ..." - _The Marches_, on the Aztec Gods > > Does anyone else see a problem with this? > Let's see... other than the fact that the Aztec gods were still being worshipped until the 16th century (and beyond)... no, I can't say I know what you're talking about.... but then again, the Purge probably took quite a while (it certainly wasn't done overnight). Thomas Davidson tdavidso@suffolk.lib.ny.us MUSIC: Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Rush, Jimi Hendrix GAMES: Champions (old and new), In Nomine, Nephilim TV: The X-Files, The Simpsons, Superman, The Tick, The Animaniacs OTHER: Religion, Philosophy, mysticism, the runes, the Tarot, writing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 03:03:14 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> backwards > >Well, it ain't going up for a while, if it does at all. And when it >does, some of the biggest superiors having a list of people I think >fit their personality well - Dominic is taken (don't every cry at >once - and I don't mean taken in that way...), as is Lilith >(assuming our friendly neighbor hood LE is interested). > Oh so? If I were interested (and I probably am), which one would I be? }:-{D Redneck ("A -dodo!- I should have said dodo! Not a -duckie!-") Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 04:30:22 -0400 From: "Thomas Davidson" Subject: IN> Janus, Valefor, and the Rest I'm another person who gets these really bizarre ideas while in strange circumstances. My job as a machine operator is boring, monotonous and tedious (did I leave anything out?), and my mind begins to wander on a regular basis. I've been thinking about the Janus/Valefor thing ever since it was first mentioned here a couple of weeks ago. The original poster (not the thing you hang on the wall -- oh, never mind) mentioned that he suspected that Janus and Valefor were in reality Loki, the trickster god of the Norse. I had a problem with that, and voiced this opinion, and Arch Beth seemed to agree: Loki is usually associated with fire, not wind. This would seem to preclude him from being an Archangel of "Wind". But yesterday (I would have posted this yesterday, but I've been having problems finding my SMTP host... grrr!) it seemed as if I were struck by a bolt of lightening: Janus/Valefor isn't *Loki* (sorry, Kurt), but *Odin*. Let me explain: The Odin of the mythologies is nothing like you see in Thor comics. In fact, he is quite the opposite. He rarely sits on a "throne"--in fact, in the original myths, he's rarely standing still for very long. He constantly wanders the Nine Worlds. (Does this sound like Janus or Valefor's description yet?) The Trickster part? How about this: one myth has him in a contest of wits with a giant named "All-wise". The pattern should be familiar to those who have read _The_Hobbit_: they were trading riddles with each other. Odin pulled a fast one on "All-wise" by asking, "What did Odin whisper in Balder's ear as his son lay on the funeral boat?" Up until that point, All-wise had no idea whom he faced. After that question, though, All-wise was shamed. This is somewhat similar to Bilbo asking, "What do I have in my pocket?" There are other (and better) examples of Odin's trickery in the Eddas and the Sagas, but that is the one that sticks out for me. Janus/Valefor is Odin. Now all I need is a motive. I don't think he sold out to Heaven or Hell, but who knows? Thomas Davidson tdavidso@suffolk.lib.ny.us MUSIC: Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Rush, Jimi Hendrix GAMES: Champions (old and new), In Nomine, Nephilim TV: The X-Files, The Simpsons, Superman, The Tick, The Animaniacs OTHER: Religion, Philosophy, mysticism, the runes, the Tarot, writing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 04:48:36 -0700 (PDT) From: lugaid@seanet.com Subject: Re: IN> backwards On 1997-10-10 in_nomine-l@lists.io.com said to lugaid@seanet.com >> i'm *really* liking the idea of Janus and Valefor being the same >> entity... i'm working on trying to fit in the theory that he/they >> are Mercury in disguise (not that unlikely, really)... >Maybe he was quick enough to avoid loosing power in the rewriting of >the symphony, or maybe he took refuge as the AA/DP to prevent just >such a loss... i should point out that i think of "Celtic Mercury" when i think of Mercury... for those who don't know, "Celtic Mercury" was the most revered god among the Celts, and he seems to be the same as Lugus, or Lugh (or Llew, or... you get the idea)... for a modern example of what he was like, Asterix the Gaul is modeled on his mythic character... ;) so, the idea of the "clever little guy" managing to infiltrate the Celestial host makes a great deal of sense to me... and it would make sense to me that he chose not to work for just one side in the whole thing, preferring to work his sabotage from within... (btw, Odhinn is also a variation of the Proto-Indo-European god who later became known as Mercury, apparently...) Slan agus Beannachtai, Lugaid MacRobert We live in a universe of Magick! Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 05:03:36 -0700 (PDT) From: lugaid@seanet.com Subject: Re: IN> Janus, Valefor, and the Rest On 1997-10-10 in_nomine-l@lists.io.com said to lugaid@seanet.com >But yesterday (I would have posted this yesterday, but I've been >having problems finding my SMTP host... grrr!) it seemed as if I >were struck by a bolt of lightening: Janus/Valefor isn't *Loki* >(sorry, Kurt), but *Odin*. Let me explain: there you go... it doesn't hurt that Odhinn is also the Norse reflection of the Indo-European deity "type" which includes Mercury and Lugus... amazing what can happen when one has too much time on one's hands... oddly, i wrote the other message before i saw this one... however, the case for Lugus is better than the case for Odhinn, as Lugus has not yet been given a place in the IN cosmology, where One-eye has... Blue-cloak has already been given a plan (or plans) of action, one which would preclude collaboration, even if dedicated to sabotage... Lugus, otoh, is cut from the same mold, is not described (yet) in any IN product, and is equally capable of filling that role... in addition, there has already been discussed the possibility that another Celtic deity (Brigit/Brigantia) has infiltrated the Heavenly Host (as St. Brigit), so it seems not entirely unlikely that this could have been part of a wide-reaching plan on the part of the Celtic gods, a plan completely different in character from the one hatched by Odhinn and the Norse crowd... Slan agus Beannachtai, Lugaid MacRobert Upon whom do the cattle of Tethra smile? Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:11:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> backwards > > - Em, Happy Fun Balseraph > > "Happy fun Malakim! Do not taunt happy fun Malakim!" > > Now where the hell did that quote come from, originally? All I > remember is that it was in a .sig some time back. > > That was in my .sig for a while, when we were in the middle of the Malakim are Demons thread. On the other hand, you may taunt happy fun Balseraphs. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:29:22 -0300 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> backwards Emily Dresner wrote: > > Well, I've got a neat idea behind it, which could be done over the > > internet (probably over Shadowlands, because it is built for stuff > > like that). Basically, the people who play are Superiors (and high > > ranking Ethereals?), giving orders to the lower ranks of Celestials, > > who are players in other gaming groups. Hey, the idea sounds funny! Who is behind this (I've already lost track of who is writing what here...)?? I wouldn't mind participating... Andre, D.P. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:05:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> backwards > Oh so? If I were interested (and I probably am), which one would I be? }:-{D Me too. I mean, I know who I'd _want_ to be... > Redneck ("A -dodo!- I should have said dodo! Not a -duckie!-") Oops da Ogre, the Malakim of Jordi come back for revenge in "A Fistful of Dodos". Coming soon to a industrial park near you. mudgb4@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:12:20 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Tethers of Janus and Valefor I tend to visualize a Tether of the Wind as an El Monstro recreational vehicle, decorated in the funkiest possible taste, tearing around the American Southwest at improbable velocities, attended by a pack/host of those Harley-riding, leather-clad angels the illustrator is so fond of, the kind with "Heaven's Hellions" on the back of their jackets. Earl W. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:20:40 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Janus, Valefor, and the Rest Thomas Davidson wrote: > Janus/Valefor is Odin. Now all I need is a motive. I don't think > he sold out to Heaven or Hell, but who knows? Good choice. And, if you want to go on playing the syncretism game, the Romans identified Odin with Mercury (with Hermes, with Thoth, with Nebo). In all these cases, they were restless gods of cunning, resource, and learning. Earl W. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:09:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> backwards > Hey, the idea sounds funny! Who is behind this (I've already lost track > of who is writing what here...)?? I wouldn't mind participating... evil grin> > > Andre, D.P. ^^^^ Okay, I can't resist any longer. These initials take on a whole different meaning when referring to the Demon Prince of Lust... Oops da Ogre, finally failed his Will roll mudgb4@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:41:59 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Bast Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > my little deities dictionary says that she was "the personification > of ointment" at one point. (Weeeeird.) Ointment?? I once did a bit of research on Egyptian religion, to write a role-playing supplement ("Mythic Egypt" by Iron Crown), and gathered that Bast was a personification of the dawn. She's the Cat of Morning who slays the Serpent of Night. Her creatures carry the sunlight through the night in their eyes. Of course, gods pick up all sorts of strange oddments in their careers. Earl W. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:37:59 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> On Playing Evil Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > If I had a player in a game who wanted to A: play an evil character, > and B: play an evil character *graphically*, and C: I had never seen > that person play a *good* character, and D: I didn't know anything > else about that person... I'd worry. It's the combination, you see. Well put. And it brings us back to a point I tried to make earlier. I think it's a matter of degree of detatchment. Consider tragedy. No one anywhere near normal, and most people who are nowhere near it, wants to be in a real tragedy, or even witnessing a real tragedy. But lots of people enjoy (in some sense) watching fictional tragedy. Likewise, perfectly normal people can enjoy watching -- and even directing -- a fictional piece of mayhem. They're properly detached. But when you suspect that a person indulges in fictional mayhem because they can't get real mayhem, and would prefer the real mayhem if they could get it, you feel uneasy in proportion to the strength of your suspicions. (And in proportion to the kind of mayhem. Someone who likes bar-room brawls is less alarming than someone who likes prolonged games with knives.) Earl W. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:49:43 -600 From: "John L Veazey" Subject: IN> Quick Question (was: Purgatory) > Perhaps souls get lost in the Reaches. What are the Reaches? Is it the same as the Far Marches, where the pagan gods are? Vz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:53:25 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> On playing demons lugaid@seanet.com wrote: > reading this thread, i just had a burst of insight... > Heaven is suburbia, and Hell is a slum/inner city... This resembles the depiction of Hell in "The Great Divorce" by C. S. Lewis, in which damned souls can take a tour bus to the outskirts of Heaven. (One or two of them stay, and so get off damned lightly, you could say.) Hell is an infinite slum under perpetual drizzle in never-ending late evening. You can wish up anything you like, but, the damned being who they are, it's always tacky, and it doesn't really keep of the drizzle. His Heaven, on the other hand, is a paradisal wilderness, leading away to mountains where a light brighter than the sun waits. Earl W. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:03:26 -0400 (EDT) From: IQJason@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors at the Movies Donald Bixler touches on a topic near and dear to me: "I dunno. We've got incest, bondage, S&M, MM, FF, and MF sex. That covers a lot of territory. And I certainly didn't suggest that he wrote [RHPS], merely enjoyed it." Not to mention brachiophilia. Of course, in RHPS, the symbols of lust are slain at the end -- ambition overtakes them. Not sure if it's the best example... yours, check out the Frank write up on the INC, Jason ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:29:56 -0300 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> backwards Donald G Bixler wrote: > > Andre, D.P. > ^^^^ > > Okay, I can't resist any longer. These initials take on a whole > different meaning when referring to the Demon Prince of Lust... > > Oops da Ogre, finally failed his Will roll Hmmm... You know too much. Would you mind discussing it further in a *hot* mud bath? ):-) Andre, D.P. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:28:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors at the Movies > Not to mention brachiophilia. Of course, in RHPS, the symbols of lust are > slain at the end -- ambition overtakes them. Not sure if it's the best > example... Well, this is one that _Andre_ would like, right? The obvious moral is don't get attatched to the little hairless monkeys... > yours, check out the Frank write up on the INC, Which was great. > Jason Oops da Ogre, but they make great toys mudgb4@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:44:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Bast > > my little deities dictionary says that she was "the personification > > of ointment" at one point. (Weeeeird.) > > Ointment?? I once did a bit of research on Egyptian religion, to > write a role-playing supplement ("Mythic Egypt" by Iron Crown), and > gathered that Bast was a personification of the dawn. She's the > Cat of Morning who slays the Serpent of Night. Her creatures > carry the sunlight through the night in their eyes. > > Of course, gods pick up all sorts of strange oddments in their > careers. And Egyptian Gods most of all. Trust me. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:49:57 -0400 (EDT) From: IQJason@aol.com Subject: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors *in* the Movies Hey, it had to come around sooner or later. :) CAVEAT: I make no claims as to physical accuracy; heck, the whole thing'd probably end up produced by ILM. The following are based on ability to capture the essence (small e; not all of them are Impudites) of the Superiors in question. And, since I've only got a few ideas, let's make it a game the whole fam...er, list can play. IN NOMINE: THE MOTION PICTURE Blandine: Christopher: Bob Keeshan David: Dominic: Eli: Gabriel: Patty Smith Janus: Jean: Anthony Hopkins Jordi: Laurence: Marc: Michael: Novalis: Yves: Andrealphus: The Artist (fka Prince) Asmodeus: Baal: Tim Roth Beleth: Diamanda Galas (that Vena Cava thing is right on. :)) Belial: Fleurity: Perry Farrell (formerly of Jane's Addiction) Furfur: Haagenti: Chris Farley (Finally, a role suited to his...um, talents.) Lilith: Kobal: Dennis Leary. Only because Bill Hicks is dead. Kronos: Malphas: John Malkovich Nybbas: Robert Downey Jr. (Wayne Gale, anyone?) Saminga: Ving Rhames Valefor: Steve Buscemi Vapula: Genesis P. Orridge yours, Jason, Balseraph of Nybbas, Demon of Game Criticism - -J ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:16:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> backwards > > > > Okay, I can't resist any longer. These initials take on a whole > > different meaning when referring to the Demon Prince of Lust... > > > > Oops da Ogre, finally failed his Will roll > > Hmmm... You know too much. Would you mind discussing it further in a > *hot* mud bath? ):-) > > Andre, D.P. You need to get an email address like: andre@shalmari.hell.org That would just rock. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:06:14 PDT From: "Realm Control" Subject: IN> Hellhounds An idea that I've been kicking around is the concept of Hellhounds: In practice, it seems simple: at character creation, buy a Familiar Servant as a Level 2 resource (familiar: Level 3 servant, Level 2 Resource = (3x2)/2 = 3 points. A familiar has 4 Forces to start. Put 1 in Celestial Forces, and divide the other 3 as you wish. Under Celestial Forces, put 1 point in Will. This will keep the Familiar firmly in control, as their Will test vs. your commands is zero. (Will + Celestial Forces - Level as Resource or 1 + 1 - 2 = 0). Have the Familiar buy a dog Vessel/6 (to make it a tough little doggie). Here's the kicker: Have the Familiar get Discord: Bound/6. This gives the Familiar another 18 (!) points to spend on things like Numinous Corpus/Claws or /Fangs, levels in Fighting or Move Silently... or another Force for 10 points. Put this one in Corporeal Forces, and you have a fighting machine that is *unable* to resist your commands, and has 5 Essence for you to play with. Give it two Levels of negative Charisma, and you have a walking, breathing Hellhound to do your bidding. (Jordi *really* hates it when the BAD Guys do this...) A Demon who is not interested in getting physical with the opposition would buy one of these as a matter of course, and an Angel who doesn't mind the occasional dirty look from Servitors of Jordi would consider it. Okay, that's my thoughts... knock holes in it, so I don't run amok... Ochre ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:40:26 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors *in* the Movies My casting suggestions: Dominic: the same two actors (voice & body) who did Darth Vader, and in much the same costume Eli: George Carlin Gabriel: Cher Jordi: c/o Ringling Bros. and/or the Cincinatti Zoo... Michael: Claude Van Damme ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:48:18 -0500 (CDT) From: djdees Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors *in* the Movies On Fri, 10 Oct 1997 IQJason@aol.com wrote: > Hey, it had to come around sooner or later. :) > CAVEAT: I make no claims as to physical accuracy; heck, the whole thing'd > probably end up produced by ILM. The following are based on ability to > capture the essence (small e; not all of them are Impudites) of the Superiors > in question. And, since I've only got a few ideas, let's make it a game the > whole fam...er, list can play. > > IN NOMINE: THE MOTION PICTURE > Blandine: > Christopher: Bob Keeshan > David: > Dominic: > Eli: > Gabriel: Patty Smith > Janus: > Jean: Anthony Hopkins > Jordi: > Laurence: > Marc: > Michael: > Novalis: > Yves: > > Andrealphus: The Artist (fka Prince) Asmodeus: Jack Nicholson > Baal: Tim Roth > Beleth: Diamanda Galas (that Vena Cava thing is right on. :)) > Belial: > Fleurity: Perry Farrell (formerly of Jane's Addiction) > Furfur: > Haagenti: Chris Farley (Finally, a role suited to his...um, talents.) > Lilith: > Kobal: Dennis Leary.. Only because Bill Hicks is dead. > Kronos: > Malphas: John Malkovich > Nybbas: Robert Downey Jr. (Wayne Gale, anyone?) > Saminga: Ving Rhames > Valefor: Steve Buscemi > Vapula: Genesis P. Orridge > > yours, > Jason, Balseraph of Nybbas, Demon of Game Criticism > -J > Derek Dees djdees@mm.com http://www.mm.com/user/djdees In those days Sheol shall open its jaws, And they shall be swallowed up therein And their destruction shall be at an end; Sheol shall devour the sinners in the presence of the elect.' Enoch 56:8 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:31:07 +0900 From: Dave Conrad Subject: Re: IN> Baltimore Hobbes wrote: > > I've been sketching up some Baltimore stuff.... > Try to get your hadns on 'Baltimore' by Lyle Lovett. I don't have it here, but it might give you some ideas. - -- Dave C. iN*T*x "To break the rules is to break the spell" - C. Lasch ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:04:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Dorothy Bixler Subject: Re: IN> backwards On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, Andre Ribeiro wrote: > Donald G Bixler wrote: > > > > Andre, D.P. > > ^^^^ > > > > Okay, I can't resist any longer. These initials take on a whole > > different meaning when referring to the Demon Prince of Lust... > > > > Oops da Ogre, finally failed his Will roll > > Hmmm... You know too much. Would you mind discussing it further in a > *hot* mud bath? ):-) > > Andre, D.P. > Ahem. There will be no suduction of my attun...er..spouse without my involvement. Or in the language of the Djinn : MINE!!!! *Dorothy Michelle Bixler * mudmh10@ecom.ecn.bgu.edu* Freelance Solider for the Pagan Gods "Gidget, have you been laying with the Horned One again?" -MST3K's Mike from "The Thing the Couldn't Die" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:34:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors *in* the Movies > IN NOMINE: THE MOTION PICTURE > Dominic: Christopher Walken > Eli: How about Julius Carry? > Janus: Bruce Campbell > Yves: George Burns ;'} > Asmodeus: Max von Sydow > Belial: Robert Englund ;'} *duck* How about Clancy Brown? > Furfur: Oderous from GWAR (I don't remember his real name.) > Lilith: Too bad Mae West is long dead. How about Bette Midler? > Nybbas: Robert Downey Jr. (Wayne Gale, anyone?) Matt Frewer, of course ;'} > Vapula: Genesis P. Orridge I don't know this guy. My vote would have to be for John Astin. > yours, > Jason, Balseraph of Nybbas, Demon of Game Criticism > -J Oops da Ogre, INHO mudgb4@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:55:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Davidson Subject: Re: IN> Bast On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > > my little deities dictionary says that she was "the personification > > of ointment" at one point. (Weeeeird.) > > Ointment?? I once did a bit of research on Egyptian religion, to > write a role-playing supplement ("Mythic Egypt" by Iron Crown), and > gathered that Bast was a personification of the dawn. She's the > Cat of Morning who slays the Serpent of Night. Her creatures > carry the sunlight through the night in their eyes. > That was you, Earl? Wow. Except for Mythic Greece, Mythic Egypt was the best of the non-MERPS supplements ICE published. Good work. Being a Hero gamer, I found Robin Hood, Vikings, and Shadow World severely lacking in convincing FH stats. > Of course, gods pick up all sorts of strange oddments in their > careers. > That they do, my friend. That they do. (Odin: Wind, Wisdom, War, Magic, Runes, and Trickery, just to name a few... Thor is even worse). > Earl W. > Thomas Davidson tdavidso@suffolk.lib.ny.us MUSIC: Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Rush, Jimi Hendrix GAMES: Champions (old and new), In Nomine, Nephilim TV: The X-Files, the Simpsons, Superman, The Tick, the Animaniacs OTHER: Religion, Philosophy, mysticism, the runes, the Tarot, writing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:55:04 +0100 (BST) From: "David.Evans" Subject: Re: IN> Hellhounds Ochre posted the following:- > An idea that I've been kicking around is the concept of Hellhounds: [snippage of the concept of the Demon Monster from Hell(tm) and how to design and build one, in particular how to screw lots of points from Discords to give it Numinous Corpous/Horrendous] It's a really, really, *cute* idea for a demonic PC. As a GM I'd take one of two tacks with it. Firstly, I'd use the eponymous "Rule of NO" and disallow it out of hand, or allow the player to reconsider it. Alternatively, I'd let him have it, but afterwards, in game, I'd *REALLY* let him have it. :-) As soon as any Celestial/Soldier/Undead/Saint finds out about it, the Familiar in question, and it's master would be the focus of an _awful_ lot of envy, greed, hatred, fear, loathing (delete as appropriate) and one or both of the infernal pair would be put to the sword/gun/grenade/mortar ASAP. > (Jordi *really* hates it when the BAD Guys do this...) I bet he would; he and Dominic, Michael and David would be the first in line to off one of these... > A Demon who is not interested in getting physical with the opposition > would buy one of these as a matter of course, and an Angel who doesn't > mind the occasional dirty look from Servitors of Jordi would consider > it. As far as I remember, only *Demons* can have Familiars, can't they..? Well, there's one or two holes knocked in that idea (you did ask us to). Be seeing you... David. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 02:08:51 +0900 From: Dave Conrad Subject: IN> 187 Hi- Don't know if anyone mentioned this, but I just saw _187_ the other day, and kept thinking Gabrile (in the movie) makes an excellent soldier of Gabriel. Don't want to give any spoilers, but if anyone else saw it, what do you think? - -- Dave C. iN*T*x "To break the rules is to break the spell" - C. Lasch ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #399 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.