From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Oct 16 22:40:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA22747 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:40:21 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id WAA00695 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:11:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:11:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199710170311.WAA00695@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #408 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, October 16 1997 Volume 01 : Number 408 In this digest: Fluff again (Re: IN> Greetings...) IN> PBEM Re: IN> Cybershops Re: IN> PBEM... well, not. Re: IN> Revelations Cycle Revealed! Re: IN> PBEM games Re: IN> Revelations Cycle Revealed! Re: IN> Bast Re: IN> PBEM... well, not. Re: Fluff again (Re: IN> Greetings...) IN> Revelations IV (fluffy) Re: IN> Revelations IV (fluffy) Re: Fluff again (Re: IN> Greetings...) Re: IN> Bast & campaign idea IN> [DARK VICTORY] Lucifer, Archangel of Light IN> Seven Deadly Sins update #2 Re: IN> Revelations Cycle Revealed! Re: IN> Revelations Cycle Revealed! Re: Fluff again (Re: IN> Greetings...) Re: IN> Greetings... IN> Demon of the Commons ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:34:51 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fluff again (Re: IN> Greetings...) At 8:17 AM -0400 10/16/97, Chuck Ryan wrote: >Nathaniel Eliot wrote: > >> > Jeremiah, my Ofanim of Litheroy has been unofficially nominated as >> > the PC most likely to be bound and gagged by his fellow party >> > members... :) >> >> Beth! It's spreading!!! I noticed, I noticed.... More of them. How scary. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:06:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Ozmodeus Subject: IN> PBEM Wow, the entire list has blown up with "I'll play" messages to these various PBEM's! How long are games expected to last, and what is the usual amount of writing per post? With all these "me too" posts, I figure this must be something fun, but I'm trying to gauge the amount of time required to play. Anyways, i guess what this entire stupid message boils down to is, "If I have time, I'll play." *smacks self* Dan Ozdowski - will post more cognizantly next time..... - -- The Devil's Cabana Boy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:34:02 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Cybershops At 12:43 PM +0000 10/16/97, A. Nachmias wrote: >How shall I put it? Since Israel isn't very, ahm, populated >with RPG material, I buy most of my RPGs from the net. >Amazon.com contained only two In-Nomine books, I wondered >if anyone knows of any other cyber shops which contains RPG material, >I'm still trying to get "The Marches" and others. You might want to order directly from Steve Jackson Games -- check out http://www.sjgames.com . I don't know if they ship overseas or not, but it's worth looking and asking! - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:17:35 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> PBEM... well, not. At 7:41 PM -0500 10/15/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >Because I've never played an interactive RPG by post/email, and simply put I >don't have the first idea of how to run it. > >If anybody -else- is organizing an PBEM, I'd love to try it... after that, >I'll think about doing the game, if I have time. If you want to see what PBEMs can do, check out my pages... http://www.io.com/~arcangel/GamingWarStories/GamingWarStories.html That has a list of PBEM logs that I know about... (Including Karakash's, which you can sign up as a lurker on.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:28:11 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle Revealed! At 11:31 PM -0300 10/15/97, Andre Ribeiro wrote: >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> >Book V of The Revelations Cycle will be called The Final Trumpet. The >> >earlier events in The Revelations Cycle, from Night Music through Fall of >> >the Malakim, have convinced the more militant Superiors on both sides that >> >the time is right for the final battle -- Armageddon. > > Armageddon?!?!? In '98???? Geez... What will happen to IN after that?? Or >will Armageddon last a couple years...? There's always "Dark Victory"... Of course, should you trust anyone with six eyes and no halo? };;;> At 8:24 PM +0000 10/15/97, Nathaniel Eliot wrote: >Finally...definately cool. Now the question is, how will this affect >future suppliments? Will they try to continue on this path, or will >there be multiple "canon" storylines? If I told you that, you'd know whether canon has the world blowing up, now wouldn't you? >Beth, does this mean I can say the words Revelations Four without >being zapped? Yes. You can talk about Black-Winged Death Takes A Nose-Dive. (BTW, I've adopted that term for Malakim... Or, rather, stolen it outright.) At 4:52 AM -0500 10/16/97, Shadowcat wrote: >On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> The Malakim in Black will now release the persistant Servitors of >> Litheroy, and execute the Servitors of Nybbas, who kept trying to >> discover this information. > > Does this meen that that angel with the black wings will be >leaving my aprtment soon? He is getting expensive to feed, and he HATES >my extra spicy chilli. He's eating? He's not supposed to be doing that. Indulging in corporeal pleasures and all that stuff. Tsk. Yeah, kick him out if he's one of mine. I'll have a little talk with him. > I just thought of something. I thought Khalid was suposed to be >in the Angelic players guide. What happened? For numerous reasons, including space and some other things we wanted to do, Khalid got shifted to Rev. 5. The space he was going to take up in the APG is being used for many more things that will hopefully make everyone happy. And what Grim88 said. At 10:39 AM -0400 10/16/97, IQJason@aol.com wrote: >Elizabeth McCoy: > >"The Malakim in Black will now release the persistant Servitors of Litheroy, >and execute the Servitors of Nybbas, who kept trying to discover this >information." > >Now, now. What's with all this Nybbas-bashing? Just because he happened to >luck into the defining word for this half of the twentieth century? And I'm >fully in support of the "people's right to know" when it comes to upcoming >releases. Sneak previews sell issues, don'tchaknow? Because Nybbas was one of the people responsible for trying to sneak previews before it was decided that it was okay. Bad Media demons, no donuts! At 6:27 AM -0400 10/16/97, dwood@skipjack.bluecrab.org wrote: >Quoth "" on 10/15/97 11:04 AM... > >>At 1:12 AM -0400 10/15/97, David Paul wrote: >>>To whom it may concern: >>> Okay. Heaven & Hell has shipped. The Angelic Player's Guide is in >>>production. Now, will you please tell us what the fourth Revelations >>>book is going to be?!? >> >>Patience, patience. When everything is finalized, you'll hear it >>here first. > >Just checked the SJG Webpage. Two new works in progress are listed there: >Fall of the Malakim, and The Final Trumpet. > >"You'll hear it here first" my eye! If there's not a posting stating more >or less the same thing in the digest before mine, we'll know Archangel >Beth ain't no Seraph. Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:34:16 -0400 To: in_nomine-l@LISTS.IO.COM From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Revelations Cycle Revealed! Sender: owner-in_nomine-l@LISTS.IO.COM Precedence: bulk Reply-To: in_nomine-l@LISTS.IO.COM And the web page is dated Oct 16. Nyaaah. O:::p >>[Or the Servitors of Nybbas we catch will discover that there are >>nastier things than the Game... (The Princess of Line >>Editing/Nitpicking/Rules Nazism has a vicious imagination.) > >So, lessee... Archangel Beth = The Princess of Line Editing. Now if only >we could tie her into the Janus/Valefor/Hermes/Loki/M'gubgub thing... >>(And the Archangel of Archives has all *sorts* of interesting >>references to go from, and access to Malakim in Black.)] > >Which, given the working title of the fourth book, may not be quite so >tough after all... >--The Other Not That David, who's started his own 'Revelation' series of >sorts. Really must update that $&#**^% webpage... Hrm? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:13:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Kim Foster Subject: Re: IN> PBEM games >>PBEM games work pretty much like "in-person" games. The GM creates the >>setting, and in an E-mail message to the players, tells them where they >>are and what is happening. The players then respond to the GM and all >>the others, saying what their characters are doing. > > This is true with most PBEM games, though I do know of a few where the >players post only to the GM and then the GM does summaries for the other >players. This can be handy when secrecy is important, but is a real >pain-in-the-butt from the GM's point of view. I've played in PBEMs run both ways. As a Gm I tend to prefer everyone post just to me. It slows things a bit but other wise things spin out of control for me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:18:42 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle Revealed! >At 11:31 PM -0300 10/15/97, Andre Ribeiro wrote: >>Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> >> Armageddon?!?!? In '98???? Geez... What will happen to IN after that?? Or >>will Armageddon last a couple years...? > >There's always "Dark Victory"... Of course, should you trust anyone >with six eyes and no halo? };;;> > I was halfway considering writing up some material for a 'Dark Victory' universe- with Lucifer Redeeming himself after his personal world of lies crumbles around him- and re-writing the Superiors as the forces of Preservation against those of Destruction. (Incidentally, I'd planned for Dominic to Fall in this lot, becoming the Demon Prince of Cleansing. "The world is unclean; only I am worthy to cleanse it.") The rules would be significantly different, since the War would still be hot, and even with Lucifer the forces of 'good' would be consistently on the defensive, if not on the run totally. Most of the Earth's population centers would be totally destroyed, with the remainder of the population existing at varying levels of technology and civilization. HOWEVER... now that I see the title of Rev V, I'm reluctant to do so, lest I tread with sharp cleated shoes over plans the Secret Masters have for future expansions of IN. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:16:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Shadowcat Subject: Re: IN> Bast On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Emily Dresner wrote: > > > Yes, but the problem came when she desided the Egyptians where no > > > better then theyr enemies, and Horus(?) was forced to get her drunk on > > > blood to stop her killing of the Egyptian people. Or am I confusing > > > leonoid deities again. > > > > I thought the trick was that they dyed several barrels of beer red > > to trick Sekhmet into *thinking* it was blood. She drank it, and > > the Egyptian Apocalypse was defused by the biggest hangover in > > mythology. At least, that's the version I heard. > > That's also the version I am familiar with. I had heard that the fermented the blood, and she had gotten drunk on the product. > > And the Egyptians LOVED their beer. :) Have you ever SEEN the recepie for anchient egyptian "Beer". it was a religious ritual. Shadowcat P.S. what would Sekhmet. and Basts, abilitys be in In Nomine. All cats may look upon a king. No comment on the Queen ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:16:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Knop Subject: Re: IN> PBEM... well, not. > Course, those backlogs can be a double edged sword... The players in my > SID (one of my longer running PBEM games) game, for instance, are > constantly throwing out names of nobody NPCs that I off-handedly mentioned > one time over a year ago... Which sends me scrambling for my backlog files > and Find command to see just who in the blazes they are talking about... :) I'm jealous! Only very rarely have I had this experience. (And, when I do, I curse myself and take a 20-point Vow to keep better notes. Of course, I forget about the Vow after a week or two.) Most of the time, however, my players don't pay enough attention to remember the name of somebody they ran into next _week_. It's very sad when you're leaving all these subtle hints all over the place and nobody spends the 5 seconds necessary to put two and two together. Can I steal some of your players? :) > Well, there's that, and there's just plain doing things I know > the other players won't like... There's less peer pressure in PBEM for > some reason... For instance, on one occasions there was an NPC who'd > just been shot and then fallen through a plate glass window to land on > the floor near our party in a club we were in. Hyde (who is really a > hateable character) dashed up to him saying, "Let me through, I'm a > doctor" (which she is... sort of). Then she subsequently beheaded > him for the cyberware in his head... I never would have done that in a > live session, even though it's perfectly in character for Hyde... As > it was, I got e-mail from total strangers (people I didn't even know > were lurking in that game) for months after that-- they were utterly > appalled... But I got all kinds of kudos for my roleplaying... Cool... yes, I have seen a fair amount of players willing to do mean things to each other in PBEMs The dark side of that is that many of the PBEMs I've played in have degenerated for a time into ridiculous, gratuitous inter-party bickering. The sort of thing which would be quickly settled (and handled more politely) in person turns into a gigantic party hate-fest in the PBEM. I think it is an effect of the same phenomenon as the mailing list flamewar. > I've cut back quite a bit, actually. For a while I was playing > in 4 or 5 more as well, but with the baby on the way, I just have't been up > to it... Sheesh... not that I've got the right hardware for it, but if I had a baby on the way, I might have to stop GM'ing all of the games I run! :) > And as for running the games, the set-up is always the worst-- along > with adding new characters. Every time I start a new game, I swear it > will be the last... But once a game is running smoothly, the maintenance > isn't so hard. Hmm, I suppose, if your characters are enough of self-starters, you could almost sit back and let them go. I find that I really need to keep up with my games, however, and keep interacting with them in order to keep them alive. I may prepare less than you. I tend to work up broad outlines, general areas, general ideas for the plot, and then in detail only where the characters start. I don't do a lot of detailed preparation for the rest. I see where the characters go, and then keep preparing on the fly based on the direction where they all go. Sometimes I change my whole idea about the plot of the game based on what the characters are doing, but I certinaly have to keep inventing settings at the characters move places I never thought they'd get to. So, in a sense, for me I'm still setting up the game even while I'm maintaining it. - -Rob === Rob Knop === rknop@crl.com ==== http://www.wco.com/~rknop === Amiga PGP information at http://www.wco.com/~rknop/amiga_pgp Visit the Dramatic Exchange at http://www.dramex.org/ ================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:59:12 -0400 From: Charybdis GreyDragon Subject: Re: Fluff again (Re: IN> Greetings...) [Charybdis] >>> > Jeremiah, my Ofanim of Litheroy has been unofficially nominated as >>> > the PC most likely to be bound and gagged by his fellow party >>> > members... :) [Nathaniel] >>> Beth! It's spreading!!! [Archangel Beth] >I noticed, I noticed.... More of them. How scary. Actually, I meant to ask earlier but forgot... More servitors of Litheroy or more Ofanim? More Ofanim of Litheroy in particular? Or just more characters doomed to flee the duct tape??? Peace, Charybdis GreyDragon charybdis@krilion.cnchost.com http://www.krilion.cnchost.com ** Pedestrians are like popcorn-you can't eat just one!** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:39:33 GMT+10 From: "Leath Sheales" <938269@wrpc.riv.csu.edu.au> Subject: IN> Revelations IV (fluffy) Elizabeth wrote: "It's a very annoying thing when Servitors of Revalation and Servitors of the Media team up. Any pre-release commentary was the result of demonic activity, *trust* me. (And trust the squad of Malakim of Archives, behind me.) However, the official press-release has been pressed and released. The captured Servitors will also be released (if angelic) or executed (if demonic); then they can report to Nybbas the "fast" way." Aah, but do *I* serve Revelation, Dark Humour, Factions, Media, or Freedom? (2 points for guessing the correct answer). Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:43:43 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Revelations IV (fluffy) At 8:39 AM +0000 10/17/97, Leath Sheales wrote: >Elizabeth wrote: > >"It's a very annoying thing when Servitors of Revalation and Servitors >of the Media team up.[...] >The captured Servitors will also be released (if angelic) or >executed (if demonic); then they can report to Nybbas the "fast" >way." > >Aah, but do *I* serve Revelation, Dark Humour, Factions, Media, or >Freedom? Yes. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:43:07 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: Fluff again (Re: IN> Greetings...) At 5:59 PM -0400 10/16/97, Charybdis GreyDragon wrote: >[Charybdis] >>>> > Jeremiah, my Ofanim of Litheroy has been unofficially nominated as >>>> > the PC most likely to be bound and gagged by his fellow party >>>> > members... :) > >[Nathaniel] >>>> Beth! It's spreading!!! > >[Archangel Beth] >>I noticed, I noticed.... More of them. How scary. > > Actually, I meant to ask earlier but forgot... More servitors of >Litheroy or more Ofanim? More Ofanim of Litheroy in particular? Ofanim of Litheroy in particular. We have one. The other Ofanite is of Lightning, and Nathaniel doesn't know him. But Ofanim of Litheroy are *scary*. ("It's a Seraph on steroids. And speed.") >Or just more >characters doomed to flee the duct tape??? Duct ta[e? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:13:16 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Bast & campaign idea > }> Legion may have made a pact with them for the ability to take > }>over so many hosts. Maybe Uriel had made a bargain with them and, > }>as his part, he wiped out the gods that defeated the Cthulhoids > }>the last time. Who else might be in their pocket...? > }Ooh..there's a nasty thought; we'd been thinking Uriel had just > }been cleaning out the competition so God could focus on honing his > }own forces and present a united front when They got here. From the > }Cthulhu-specific aspect, I think I'd stick with that, on the note > }that those guys were never greatly noted for their subtlety. (Their > }cultists, sometimes, but mostly the Old Ones were more for grabbing > }their opponents and sucking out their brains. Bribery doesn't > }figure in. Mind, Haagenti is probably one of them that slipped in > }and is doing his darndest to stay in a cunning disguise..) > >what about Nyarlat "promise them anything, but give them the tools of >their own self-destruction" Hotep? he was pretty high on the subtlety >list, and, although he isn't an Old One, per se, he is the soul of the >Outer Gods... perhaps, rather than an invasion of the Great Old Ones >(Cthulhu, Hastur, and that crowd), it is an invasion of the Outer/Other >Gods (Azathoth, Yog-Sothoth, Nyarlathotep, and such) in the offing... >(quick note: the division between Outer/Other Gods and Great Old Ones is >not a very strong one - Ny has been known to help the Great Old Ones, as >well...) > That's about what I've been thinking. Ny seems to be a bit of a wildcard. Kinda like Loki. >as an interesting, idea-provoking, side note, Nyarlathotep is supposed >to be the guardian of the Elder Gods (Earth's gods of the Dreamlands), >who include Nodens... Nodens is, apparently, a version of "Celtic Mars", Also, there are some Posiden references in "The House on the Hill" (or something like that). Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:16:36 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Lucifer, Archangel of Light (Note: This writeup does not reference anyone else's endeavors to write up Lucifer as a Redeemed angel. This is strictly my thought on things. Any similarities are coincidental.) (This is Lucifer as he becomes if, after the scene written up in 'Dark Victory,' Lucifer Redeems himself. If Lucifer doesn't, the world gets destroyed in the next war, and Lucifer will keep destroying rebellious Celestials until, in the end, he is alone in a universe consisting only of himself. Comments on the philosophical implications of this routed to /dev/null, as they have no bearing on the DV universe.) LUCIFER, ARCHANGEL OF LIGHT The world is darkness; let there be light, banishing the shadows of fear, ignorance, and bondage. * * * * * * Pride goeth before a fall. Lucifer, in the hour of his victory over the forces of Heaven, discovered that his rule over all of Creation was, in fact, a hollow victory... he could not conquer and hold the universe without, in the end, becoming its destruction. The prime lie which had shaped his life and led to the First Fall- "I can run things better than God could!"- had been revealed to him. Saying that Lucifer Redeemed himself in the blink of an eye is accurate, as far as it goes, but it fails to describe the incredible pain and torture of that instant, as his own angelic Word forced him to face the truth about himself, burning his pride away, leaving him a humbled, penitent, and much weakened Seraph in the very heart of Hell itself. Although no longer the most powerful Celestial, Lucifer was still quite potent, and when he left Hell he spirited away the captured Archangels wih him. (Dominic,` soon returned to Hell, as in his shame and anger he Fell from grace and became the Archangel of Cleansing, and through him Hell learned of Lucifer's treason.) He met the regrouping forces of good, along with the several 'defectors', and asked not to lead or fight, but to be permitted to help preserve what little was left of the corporeal realms. Lucifer, alone among the 'converted' Archangels, has truly Redeemed himself. In Celestial form his serpentine Seraph form is solid blinding light; non-Celestials who percieve his Celestial form must save against Will to avoid being totally dazzled for the check digit in minutes- and if they are dazzled, they must wait until Lucifer is gone or in corporeal form before thay may roll against Will to recover. Lucifer has a modest group of followers and is creating more; the majority of his Servitors are truly Redeemed demons who wish to repay the universe for their entropic acts. They are, as a group, the Repentant, and their task is to lighten the burdens of Humanity and the other angels, and to rebuild what, in their Fall, they have destroyed. DISSONANCE It is Dissonant for Servitors of Lucifer to encourage fear or ignorance among others. Servants of Lucifer may encourage others by a show of strength against the wicked, but they may not use intimidation to achieve their goals, nor may they play upon prejudices and jingoism to turn others to their way of thinking. It is also Dissonant to refuse to help someone in need, provided that the Servitor is able to help and would not be forsaking another task to do so. CHOIR/BAND ATTUNEMENTS * (*NOTE: Since many of the defector-Angels are still demonic in nature, in the DV universe Archangels may have Demon servitors as well as Angel servitors. Demonic servitors of Archangels may Redeem without fear; however, an Angel Falling is still a dangerous thing, since -there is no guarantee the fallen Angel will not be claimed by Hell.- One of the basic tenets of the New Heaven is that angels and demons must learn to co-exist and work together, or else risk the destruction of the Universe. (The one exception is this; Shedim, being the ultimate destroyers they are, may -not- serve in Heaven. Even Calabim may turn their Resonances to good, or at least to harmless endeavors. Shedim, OTOH, are bound by their nature to destroy their hosts' souls, and cannot be used by Good. (Demon Princes may only have Demonic servitors.) SERAPHIM: Lucifer's Seraphim rarely leave Heaven. They are the conscience of the New Heaven. Seraphim of Light may detect both the subject's inner feelings about a decision or action, and the overall morality of the decision. BALSERAPHS: Lucifer will not suffer a Balseraph to serve him. They represent what he once was, and what he now stnads foursquare against, ignorance and lies. Balseraphs seeing Lucifer in his Redeemed Celestial form do not dazzle- they take one point of Soul damage PER ROUND until they flee or Lucifer turns away from them, or they Repent. CHERUBIM: Cherubim of the Light may add their Celestial forces to resonance rolls to attune themselves or sense their attunement to those who work peacably against fear, hatred, and ignorance. DJINN: Djinn also do not serve Lucifer; those who want to are usually on the cusp of Redeeming themselves in any case. Lucifer restores these demons to Cherubim before accepting them into his service. OFANIM: Ofanim of Lucifer can discern spiritual Darkness, fear, hatred, prejudice, agression, cruelty, et al. This can either be in a single individual or as an abstract force, the latter sense providing more exact location and intensity information according to the successful check digit. CALABIM: Calabim of Lucifer are especially attuned to the destruction of symbols of fear and opression. They may add their Corporeal rolls to resonance rolls to destroy any object which, by its nature or appearance, promotes fear or ignorant hatred in others. Lucifer's Calabim work side by side in uneasy alliance with his Malakim (of which he has very few) as his warriors, rather than his healers. ELOHIM: Elohim of Lucifer can tell the one thing the person they use their Resonance on fears most; once having used this resonance, however, they must do their best to relieve this fear. HABBALAH: Habbalah of Lucifer, when they sense fear or hatred in a subject, can also tell the subject of those feelings. However, using their Resonance to force emotion on another is automatically Dissonant. MALAKIM: Malakim of Lucifer are sworn not to kill humans unless they seek to kill or have killed others. They are also sworn to spare the truly repentant. They can tell if a subject has deliberately caused fear of themselves in another being, or if that person has murdered another recently- how recently depends on the check digit. However, with this knowledge comes the knowledge of whether or not the subject regrets their actions, and if that subject wishes to undo what they have done, the Malakim may not strike against them. (There are only a handful of Malakim in service to Lucifer, all very young and inexperienced- the few old-guard Malakim remaining shun their brothers in service to the former Adversary.) LILIM: Lilim of Lucifer may add their Celestial forces to an attempt to Geas someone into doing something which promotes knowledge, understanding, and courage. However, they -subtract- their Celestial forces from all other Geas attempts. KYROTIATES: Lucifer's Kyrotiates may possess a host without a Resonance roll; however, this possession does not grant control, but rather leaves the Angel as a mental presence inside the host, where it may work to encourage and calm them. The host may make a Will roll to resist. Kyrotiates of Light may also possess hosts in the usual fashion, with a Resonance roll. MERCURIANS: Mercurians of Light can tell whether an individual owes their position in human society to honest respect, love, or fear from their subordinates. IMPUDITES: Impudites of the Light can inspire humans to courageous and noble acts, adding their Corporeal forces to efforts to charm a subject or group of subjects into doing something requiring bravery or which promotes knowledge and harmony. (This -does- include physically attacking opressors, like for example a band of marauders molesting a post-Armageddeon town. In such cases, the Impudite gains no Dissonance for lost lives on either side, although he is obliged to help keep the losses and suffering of his side to a minimum.) SERVITOR ATTUNEMENTS LET THERE BE LIGHT: Holders of this attunement may cause light to be generated anywhere, even in the darkest room, apparently from nothing. They may also appear to glow with an inner light while in their corporeal vessel. I WILL FEAR NO EVIL: For 1 Essence per subject, the Angel may banish all - -unreasoning- fears from a human for the check digit in hours. The subject human will have concern for their own self-preservation, but will not be affected by stark terror or prejudice-driven phobias. DISTINCTIONS VASSAL OF LIGHT: The Angel knows the piece of information which the subject being must learn to end a particular aspect of their ignorance- for example, they may look at an anti-Semite and know he needs to learn that Hebrews are humans just the same as he is. FRIEND OF THE COURAGEOUS: The Angel can detect humans with the potential to inspire other humans into bravery, harmony and knowledge. (Lucifer does not give this distinction lightly- the handful who hold this distinction are almost constantly roaming the Earth, spotting people and quietly recruiting them to help rebuild the ravaged world. MASTER OF COMFORTERS: This Angel can automatically soothe the fears and traumas of a being, human, Celestial or Etherial, whose life or mind have been ruined by the War. (Lucifer has given this Distinction to one being, Novalis, the former Archangel of Flowers, now Lucifer's chief servitor. Novalis' time in Abaddon stripped her of much of her power, and now like Gabriel she is but a shadow of her former self, not quite broken but incredibly saddened by what she has seen- and even more scarred by the tortures of Saminga's creatures.) RELATIONS: Lucifer has no beef with any of the old-guard and true Angels, wishing only to make amends as best he can with them. With the defectors, he has less of a good relationship, excepting Lilith, who is wavering on the edge of Redemption herself. The only one he is truly hostile to, however, is Andrealphus, whom he sees as being a reborn Angel only by convenience, and in reality as much of a destroyer as their enemies in Hell. Allied: Lilith Associated: Eli, Yves Hostile: Andreaphalus BASIC RITES * Keep a light glowing in an otherwise dark place for twelve hours or until another light appears * Teach a human the truth behind an ignorant superstition or belief * Spend three hours among a harmonious gathering of humans (12 or more, +2 essence if more than 500) Chance of Invocation: 3 +1 A lantern +2 A book banned or burned by others for its content +3 A group of people standing together against agression +4 The ashes of a peaceful martyr killed for acting against ignorance +5 A thousand points of light +6 A demon wishing to Redeem themselves - -- Redneck (wow, this took longer than I thought) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:10:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Austin George Loomis Subject: IN> Seven Deadly Sins update #2 Well, here at Seven Deadly Sins Voting Central, most of the ballots saw no significant change as of the end of digest #1-407. Belial, Malphas and Nybbas are respectively leading the race as holders, de facto or de jure, of the respective Words of Wrath, Envy and Sloth. The big news is on Pride, where Lucifer is pulling decidedly ahead. As of the close of polling (specified above), the darkest of dark, dark lords had four votes, the only contender for that Word to get more than one. Oh, and I've just been given an announcement from someone who claims to be a Servitor of Mammon, Demon Prince of Greed, remarking that Vale- for's not even in the running, because in his opinion, there *is* no running for his Master's Word, as we'll all have to admit once we have our copies of _Heaven and Hell_ in our hot little hands. "Mammon, Prince of Greed -- live it, learn it, love it. Remember, no man can serve two masters." But that's just his opinion, he's not in the business of making Canon any more than I am. Austin George "That's John's and Beth's job" Loomis, MiSTie #84029 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:53:45 -0400 From: Highway Star Subject: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle Revealed! At 16:18 -0500 10/16/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >> >I was halfway considering writing up some material for a 'Dark Victory' >universe- with Lucifer Redeeming himself after his personal world of lies Well, I can say that I, for one, would be VERY interested in seeing it, even if it isn't "canon". Canon shmanon, what's fun for my group?:) SeanMike - -- Sean Michael Whipkey, smw4s@virginia.edu Weldon Cooper Center for Public Service, Publications Div. 804/924-4185 (or -4188) voicenet, 804/982-5536 fax http://www.virginia.edu/~cpserv/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:51:34 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle Revealed! > >Armageddon?!?!? In '98???? Geez... What will happen to IN after > >that?? Or will Armageddon last a couple years...? > > There's always "Dark Victory"... Of course, should you trust > anyone with six eyes and no halo? };;;> THAT would be interesting - the canon goes Dark, and all of a sudden Em, Oops, and I are playing forwards again... > >Finally...definately cool. Now the question is, how will this affect > >future suppliments? Will they try to continue on this path, or will > >there be multiple "canon" storylines? > > If I told you that, you'd know whether canon has the world blowing > up, now wouldn't you? What I meant is, will there be a storyline that does not include the events in Revelations (a sort of parallel universe)? > > I just thought of something. I thought Khalid was suposed to be > >in the Angelic players guide. What happened? > > For numerous reasons, including space and some other things we > wanted to do, Khalid got shifted to Rev. 5. The space he was going > to take up in the APG is being used for many more things that will > hopefully make everyone happy. Such as (he said, courting the tall, dark, and vicious of Beth's angels...)? > And the web page is dated Oct 16. Nyaaah. O:::p Wait - weren't you missing that halo a second... nevermindforgetIasked. > >--The Other Not That David, who's started his own 'Revelation' > >series of sorts. Really must update that $&#**^% webpage... What's the URL? Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com In the fourth grade, Mrs. Watkins gave me a D in Mathematics. I was not a happy camper. Now she's a blood thirsty demon from the seventh plane of hell, and I have a Mini gun with 2000 rounds of HESH ammo. Mrs. Watkins...Class is back in session. - Heavy Ordinance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:51:34 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: Fluff again (Re: IN> Greetings...) > [Nathaniel] > >>> Beth! It's spreading!!! > > [Archangel Beth] > >I noticed, I noticed.... More of them. How scary. > > Actually, I meant to ask earlier but forgot... More servitors of > Litheroy or more Ofanim? More Ofanim of Litheroy in particular? Yes (the third). A newbie to earth, too. It's a good thing he was able to go Celestial in the Tether of War - I was about *this* far from having my character shoot first and ask later... Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com In the fourth grade, Mrs. Watkins gave me a D in Mathematics. I was not a happy camper. Now she's a blood thirsty demon from the seventh plane of hell, and I have a Mini gun with 2000 rounds of HESH ammo. Mrs. Watkins...Class is back in session. - Heavy Ordinance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:51:34 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> Greetings... > Sheesh... Looks like I created quite a stir with that off-handed > comment about starting a game... I didn't really intend to spam > the list with lots of requests to play in the game... I'll be > replying to all those requests privately, so as not to clutter > things up any further... Sorry about that... And I'm guilty of this, too, I guess...I'll be looking over things and talking with people re: the playing Superiors game. I have the requests for spots saved, and I'll respond to them when I have something more. Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com In the fourth grade, Mrs. Watkins gave me a D in Mathematics. I was not a happy camper. Now she's a blood thirsty demon from the seventh plane of hell, and I have a Mini gun with 2000 rounds of HESH ammo. Mrs. Watkins...Class is back in session. - Heavy Ordinance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:45:58 -0400 From: "bruce dykes" Subject: IN> Demon of the Commons quote: >>If so, it's off base. TotC basically states that if use of a resource is >>free that people will overuse it to the point that its value drops to zero. >> The concept is based on a grass commons. If people were allowed to graze >>their sheep on the commons for free, then evenutally enough people will >>take advantage of that and the commons will be overgrazed making it >>valueless to everyone. > I'm trying to think of just who a demon of TotC would work for. Valefor looks promising but I have a hard time thinking that he would get any milage out of taking something that's free. endquote Haagenti. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #408 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.