From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Oct 25 01:37:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA06430 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:37:11 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id BAA16972 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:18:26 -0500 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:18:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199710250618.BAA16972@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #434 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, October 25 1997 Volume 01 : Number 434 In this digest: IN> [DV] Does Litheroy Live? YOU Decide! }:-{D Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] The Seed of Hope: An Introduction to Dark Victory Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Return of Uriel? Re: Escaping dissonance (Was: Re: IN> Re: Redeeming Shedim: it can be done) Re: Escaping dissonance (Was: Re: IN> Re: Redeeming Shedim: it c Re: IN> Seraphim Check Digits Re: IN> Two questions.. Re: IN> Lilim and "Charm" Re: IN> Seraphim Check Digits Re: Escaping dissonance (Was: Re: IN> Re: Redeeming Shedim: it c Re: IN> Seraphim Check Digits IN> Curious...Prince of Stupidity/Carelessness? Re: IN> Heaven and Hell (brief review) IN> [DV] PLACES: The Holy City of Rio de Janeiro Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Nybbas, Archangel of the Media (Communica Re: IN> B5 Victory IN> Re: Strack PBEM 10/24/97 Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 3 10/24/97 IN> Beth's post munge, take 2 IN> Yves Library Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 3 10/24/97 Re: IN> Repost: Zeiteng, Duke of Trends Re: IN> Yves Library ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:04:11 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: IN> [DV] Does Litheroy Live? YOU Decide! }:-{D >At 4:51 PM -0500 10/24/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >>>>A better version is that Litheroy charged Hell to assault Alaemon, and fell >>>>into a carefully crafted trap. This leaves Alaemon with Litheroy as his >>>>captive- a bound, Force-stripped Seraph gagged so he can't speak... and >>>>bombarded with a million tape recorded questions. >>>> >>>>Twelve tapes at once. >>>> >>>>Question after question after question. >>>> >>>>Over and over and over, and Litheroy cannot answer. >>>> >>>>How's -that?- >>> >>>Oh, I don't know -- it's not dissonant to refuse to answer a foe. >>>Leaving him in front of all the political ads in history, now >>>*that* would be cruel. >> >>True, but this isn't an attempt to make him Fall, or become Dissonant. This >>would be a pure psychological torture, making the Compulsive Answer Man >>unable to answer even 'Is black white?' > >Hm, maybe... Maybe somebody already toasted him out of mercy, >before Heaven fell... (That'd get rid of all those annoying >Ofanim of Revelations!) > Well, people, I'm open to this, since no better ideas are coming to mind. So, here's the two scenarios. I'm going to throw this one up to a vote. Email me privately (redneck@txdirect.net) with the applicable header in the subject header. [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! - Litheroy attacked the Demon Prince of Secrets, Alaemon, in his realm in Hell... and fell into a trap. Alaemon claims to have killed him, but in fact he has Force-stripped him just enough to keep him prisoner, but not so much that Litheroy cannot hope to escape, and toys with him in private. Only Alaemon and a handful of his Servitors know Litheroy lives, and -only- Alaemon knows where he is held. [DV] LITHRROY DIES! - Litheroy fell at the gates of Hades, warning Michael of the flanking attack on Heaven itself, slain in the retreat back into the Holy realms. He's an ex-parrot. Votes to be counted in the next 24 hours, maybe earlier if the voting is overwhelmingly one-sided. Redneck ("Litheroy. R-O-B-I-N. Litheroy.") Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:58:37 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] The Seed of Hope: An Introduction to Dark Victory > Players playing from the Preserver point of view should read 'Good >Omens' by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett immediately. Players playing from >the Destroyer point of view will be best served by reading 'The Screwtape >Letters' by C.S. Lewis or the most recent inter-party diatribe from the US >Congress, whichever happens to be more diabolic at the moment. > I would also reccomend Black Friday (Sunday?) by Fritz Leiber. Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:28:43 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Return of Uriel? >Uriel's unlikely to be able to wipe out _all_ of Hell, but he's going >to have a good try at it :) > >Hm, who's he going to try to stomp first? And how far will he get? >(Mmmmm, Seraph. *buuurp* oh. that far.) From the whole 'purity' side >of thing, Dominic would be someone he'd dearly like to meet up with. > >I'd imagine that having him take out any major bad guy would not fit >into Redneck's master plan :) but he can certainly make a heck of a lot >of noise. > He might manage to weaken Saminga a bit though. Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:13:30 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: Escaping dissonance (Was: Re: IN> Re: Redeeming Shedim: it can be done) >>If he does something that accidentally, in a non-forseen series of >>events, violates his nature (and the GM rules that it's direct enough >>cause and event), he suddenly gets hit with dissonance, I think. (So >>if a Servitor of Judgment is convinced that someone is guilty and >>hands him over to the cops -- he'll reap dissonance right there if >>the guy was framed.) > >Or maybe when the situation become irrecoverable. While he can still get >the person back from the cops or hire a lawyer to prove him innocent, >should he get dissonance? I tend to think not, until the recovery gets to >the point of being unlikely. > I tend to think that he would gain the Dissonance upon turning the guy over but could remove it by fixing his mistake. Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:17:07 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: Escaping dissonance (Was: Re: IN> Re: Redeeming Shedim: it c >>Fair enough: the Jaws theme becomes uncertain, wavers, (possibly) turns >>serial, atonal, or some weird variant. > >I don't see anything in IN that says you get warned when you're in a >situation where you *might* become dissonant. You either take dissonance or >not. Otherwise, every Mercurian attacking what he thought was a demon would >get warned away if he was wrong. That would be an instant demon detector, >and detecting demons is not supposed to be that easy. > No, the difference is that you get it upon *performing* the action. The Mercurian wouldn't get any warning until he git the guy, then he'd get the warning and the Dissonance right away. The Mercurian setting the land mine wouldn get any warning while he was setting it, but once he performed the action he would start to get some warning. Don't think of it as a danger sense. Think of it as the GM telling the player that they're scirting the edge of the character's Nature: Do they really wnat to do that.... Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:29:15 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim Check Digits On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 20:13:15 +0000, "Nathaniel Eliot" wrote: >> Nowhere in here does it mention the body count, because >> the demons don't mention it. A straight Seraphic Resonance cannot >> work against unspoken lies or lies of omission. > >At a CD of 6 or less, no. Dominic probably has Celestial Forces in >the 30s, and a perception in the 60s. That's going to yeild a >mucking big auto-success CD. Well, that depends on whether the extra CD gets you anything. My feeling is that for most resonances, a CD 6 is giving you all the information that you can possibly get through the resonance. If you postulate that a 20 CD is going to reveal the secrets of the universe, then you're going to have run of the mill Seraphs with Perception 12 + 9 essence + 6 from a reliquary getting a 20 CD. Do you really want Lilim getting Geas/20's on one roll? I don't think so... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:29:19 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> Two questions.. On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:51:52 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >*ahem* Right. Yes, every 4 points of damage to *anything* will >cause disturbance. So if you toast a human, it's +10, +human >Forces, +1-per-every-4-points it took to kill him in the >first place. Ah, Beth, are you declaring an errata on this? IN, p.55, *emphasis* added: >Destroying +1 per Corporeal Force or 4 hits of physical damage > >Every Corporeal Force in a living being killed by a celestial, and every 4 hits of >physical damage done to an *inanimate* object. ... The example at the bottom of the page has a demon killing a human with only 13 disturbance, 3 for the Corporeal Forces and 10 for killing a human. Unless he had a strength of 1, he had at least 4 body. The emphasis on inanimate damage is repeated in the Gimme Shelter table on page 63. The GM screen agrees, but with no real emphasis. I think the sense of the list is that 4 body damage ought to cause disturbance, but IN is very consistent in the opposite view. As written, you can basically beat up humans all you want, noiselessly as long as you don't kill them. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 20:03:07 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Lilim and "Charm" > Twice the Lilim have Band Attunements that involve "charming". > Baal's Lilim "add their Corp. forces to any attempt to charm someone." > Kronos' Lilim "can add their Cel. forces to any attempt to inflict a > charmed person with their infernal geas." I'd had the impression it included mundane things, like skills. (Seduction, for example, or Savoir Faire..) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:59:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim Check Digits > >At a CD of 6 or less, no. Dominic probably has Celestial Forces in > >the 30s, and a perception in the 60s. That's going to yeild a > >mucking big auto-success CD. > of the mill Seraphs with Perception 12 + 9 essence + 6 from a reliquary > getting a 20 CD. Do you really want Lilim getting Geas/20's on one roll? I > don't think so... Natch..they don't get Geas/20's for the roll; they have to fulfill NEED/20's if they pull all that. Good luck. ("Apparently, what this priest really, truly, most deeply Needs, is Lucifer destroyed. And look, there he is now! And you, with a butterknife! He's looking at you as though he knows what you're thinking...") But, on the more serious note, I have to agree; most Resonance rolls logically have to cap off at about 6. (The Calabim are the only ones I can think of offhand that reasonably might not, since that'd make their Resonance more limited than, say, that butterknife. You'd have Belial realizing, "Okay, I can toast this guy with my Calabim Resonance and have a good, solid, 36 damage [30 Corporeal Forces + 6-maxed-out-Resonance-check-digit], OR I can jab him with my butterknife and obliterate him [Butterknife Power of -6 + auto-CD bonus of like +60 for Agility without even touching on any knife skill...]" Sure.) What I think it REALLY comes down to is, as I seem to remember all of us more or less agreeing on once before...quantifying Superiors REALLY bites. The system was built around PCs and all the odds are oriented for people starting at around 9 Forces and slowly building up from there. Anything over an 18-Force entity just isn't accounted for, since they note 12 in any attribute as "Spectacular"...by the time you're getting CD bonuses off your default skills, I think the system has largely fallen to pieces. {"Aw, man...chemistry gets a -5, so I only get a minimum check digit of 8. Shucks." See what I mean?} ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 20:29:56 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: Escaping dissonance (Was: Re: IN> Re: Redeeming Shedim: it c > > I'd hold with the note of Dissonance having as much to do with the > >choice as the action. If a Mercurian attacks what turns out to be a human > >that he was -sure- was a demon, he can clear up the Dissonance from it > >real fast if he stops and apologizes the instant he hears that > >disturbance. > Uh-uh. There's no out from Dissonance gained from violence by a Mercurian > through the forgiveness of the target- unless he just smacked his Superior... I don't know...everyone ELSE can clear up their Dissonance if they fix the situation. Given the Angelic tendancy to go more for the metaphoric than the absolute, I'd be inclined to say that the forgiveness of the target would count a lot MORE towards that than just healing the physical damage that may have been done... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 03:14:01 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim Check Digits On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:59:52 -0600 (MDT), Kingsley Lintz wrote: > Natch..they don't get Geas/20's for the roll; they have to fulfill >NEED/20's if they pull all that. True. > But, on the more serious note, I have to agree; most Resonance >rolls logically have to cap off at about 6. (The Calabim are the only ones >I can think of offhand that reasonably might not, since that'd make their >Resonance more limited than, say, that butterknife. You'd have Belial >realizing, "Okay, I can toast this guy with my Calabim Resonance and have >a good, solid, 36 damage [30 Corporeal Forces + >6-maxed-out-Resonance-check-digit], OR I can jab him with my butterknife >and obliterate him [Butterknife Power of -6 + auto-CD bonus of like +60 >for Agility without even touching on any knife skill...]" Sure.) I'd say anything that doesn't work off a table. If a Kyrio wants to blow essence to get more days in a host, I don't see a problem. Likewise, most of the demonic resonances. > What I think it REALLY comes down to is, as I seem to remember all >of us more or less agreeing on once before...quantifying Superiors REALLY >bites. Though we have Furfur qualified. Oh, well... >Anything over an 18-Force entity just isn't accounted for, since they >note 12 in any attribute as "Spectacular"...by the time you're getting CD >bonuses off your default skills, I think the system has largely fallen to >pieces. {"Aw, man...chemistry gets a -5, so I only get a minimum check >digit of 8. Shucks." See what I mean?} Well, consider Precision/12 + Ranged Weapon/6 + Talisman Gun/6 + Accuracy/1 + Scope/1 + Aim/3 + Essence/9 = 38 = 12 + 26 CD bonus = 27 to 34 CD. Now add a power of 8 to that for 35 to 42 damage. Or consider a holy pistol with Precision/12 + Ranged Weapon/6 + Accuracy/1 + Aim/3 + Essence/9 = 31 = 12 + 19 CD bonus = 20 to 25 CD, a damage of 120 to 150 for a Holy Pistol/6. We're basically already there in ultra CD land. What we have to do is make sure Attunements and other powers can keep up. Smite starts looking pretty lame. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:26:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Pee Kitty Subject: IN> Curious...Prince of Stupidity/Carelessness? I've been to Beth's (wonderful) INC page and a double-handful of others as well, and hadn't seen a Demon Prince that governs things like mothers lacking common sense and drying off their kids in a microwave...people signaling right and turning left and causing a major pileup...in short, horrific things happening from pure stupidity or carelessness. A player of mine wants to serve such a Prince if possible. I have no problem writing one up, but before I take the time to do so, I was wondering if anyone out there had done or seen such a demon... Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian (Married to Rev. Unibomber on 11/15/96 - be jealous ;) Meow! - -= Windows 95 =- A 32-bit patch for a 16-bit GUI shell running on top of an 8-bit operating system written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company who cannot stand 1 bit of competition. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:34:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Gregory Littmann Subject: Re: IN> Heaven and Hell (brief review) > > I've just finished a preliminary read-through of Heaven and Hell. > Fun stuff once again, though I'd still like to see a bit more editorial > coherence in the In Nomine books. Especially glaring is the difference in > approach between the descriptions of Heaven and Hell (the former being a > general description, the latter laden with example characters and adventure > seeds). I preferred the section on Heaven, as I rarely need or use sample > characters (I'm undecided on adventure seeds). > For the moment, my favorite section is the Celestial Realms one. I'm > not sure how much that's due to the lack of sample characters and adventure > seeds, though (not that anything without them is automatically good, but it > makes it better than similar writing elsewhere). Any thoughts out there on > pros or cons of sample characters and the like? > :( They are almost completely useless to me, as are adventures and almost all adventure seeds. Yet In Nomine supplements are stuffed to the gills with such things and I cannot get the expanded superior write-ups without paying for the other materials as well. Putting my cards on the table, I have simply stopped buying the Revelations Cycle. Much of the material was interesting, but too much was waste-paper for me. Greg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:46:45 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: IN> [DV] PLACES: The Holy City of Rio de Janeiro The fires burn on in the Amazon, plants and animals strike back against the lonely substinence farmers on the edge of the wilds, and creatures of the night roam the wide empty places... Rio de Janeiro is a fairly typical example of the 'city-state'- a city capable of defending the ground it sits on, maybe a little bit of farmland beyond, but no more. It answers to no authority but its own (Brazil's central government disintegrating in the short, bloody civil war which was its part of Armageddeon). It only remains viable through its importance as a manufacturing and shipping center- it imports scant raw materials or attains them from the few courageous or desperate people who still live in the South American interior, and it churns out pollution, poverty, and low-quality manufactured goods for the Southern Hemisphere. Only a tiny fraction of the population of the city- as few as 10%- have city services aside from the self-defense force's protection. Electricity and fuel are scant commodities, only for the elite and powerful. Most of the older, smoky cars and outboard-motor boats are being cannibalized for raw materials, since what little fuel which comes in from Caracas City-state or from Arabia is used by the small military, the sea-dock facilities, the factories, and the wealthy. Similar things are happening with televisions and radioes; instead of one or both in a household, only those with electricity keep them; most of the restraunts, saloons, and stores which still have electricity keep three or four running for their customers. What public transport there is is more and more animal-powered, and that doesn't go past the city limits. The trains are wrecked and without fuel, the remaining trucks only travel sporadically to the interior to those few farms and mines still under productions. Air traffic is strictly limited to official business- none of the tiny commercial fliers runs the thousands of miles away from friendly airports to serve Rio regularly. For the vast majority of travelers, ocean traffic is the only way in and out of Rio. Fortunately Rio has free borders for travelers, but heavy tariffs for import goods. The port at Rio is becoming truly eclectic. Giant supertankers are now mixing with museum-relic sailing ships, and small yachts are growing as important as huge freighters in shipping goods in and out of the city. Somehow, the docks handle it all, from the enormous freight vessels to the ships carrying live animals on deck, commerce enough to keep the hundreds of thousands of people in the city alive. Rio's military forces can barely hold an area a few miles inland from the seaport, a couple of ridges inland from the inland outskirts of the city, and the farmers and fishermen who live farther than that away from the city are totally on their own. Monsters of various shapes and sizes, including carnivorous plants, prey on lone or isolated Brazilians. There's nothing left to conquer, as far as human settlements go, for hundreds of miles... the war and the beasts have seen to that... so the army serves as a police and defense force, their chief concern not enforcing law but exterminating those horrors which decide to try city food. Rio is special in that it contains one of the five claimants of the title of Pope in the Roman Catholic Church. (Rome's radioactive crater has been buried under lava and ash from the volcanoes still erupting up and down the Appenine mountain range.) Pope Paolo (Paul) of Brazil was a political-minded Archbishop who found himself totally cut off from the Vatican and the highest-ranking surviving Church official on the continent. When Rome's destruction was confirmed, he named himself Pope... ... and as his first act, he publicly confessed his sins of greed, sloth, lust, envy, pledging his total devotion to God in the highest. Rather than lose the respect of the people, he became the common man's Pope, his personable manner and apparent outreach to the poor and refugees making him adored not just in Rio, but all across South America, as word and videotape of his crusade to aid the weak and spread faith among the helpless worked their way around the world. Within a month, the old corrupt Rio city government was forced from office by mobs demanding Pope Paolo's election as both temporal and spiritual leader of Rio. He accepted the move with great grace... and once in power, began a subtle balancing act, playing the very wealthy off against the very poor, using both to keep his support universal in the city. Paolo's chief advisor is a Servitor of Fate, a relatively young unWorded Habbalite of Fate named Araxes, who in infiltrating the Archdioscese in Rio had discovered this young priest with an incredibly bright Destiny, and an equally dark Fate; he would either save Rio in its darkest hour, or lead it through a guilded time of prosperity into a ruin of destruction, death and famine. Paolo has no idea that his faithful secretary Father Julio is really a demon, but his advice always seems sound, and whenever he talks to the old Father he comes away with a much clearer mind... FATHER JULIO (ARAXES, HABBALITE SERVITOR OF FATE) CORPOREAL FORCES - 2 Strength 2 Agility 6 ETHERIAL FORCES - 3 Intelligence 6 Precision 6 CELESTIAL FORCES - 4 Will 10 Perception 6 Vessel: Human/1 (elderly male Brazilian) Role: Priest/5, Status/2 (respected but uncelebrated minor priest) Skills: Fast Talk/4, Emote/5, Knowledge (Catholic rites)/5, Knowledge (Brazil)/1, Language (English)/1 Attunements: Habbalite of Fate, Fated Future Discord: Damaged Sense (hearing)/1 Father Julio appears to the few who see him as an elderly, slightly deaf man, weak but still fairly sound, who skulks around the darker halls of Rio's grandest Cathederal, poring forgotten books and records of the Church in Brazil. In reality, he is an experienced demon, a Habbalite of Kronos, who infiltrated Brazil's Catholic Church sixty years ago as a young priest from the backcountry. He met the young man now called Paolo eighteen years ago as a novice priest, divined his Destiny and Fate, and set him on the road to the latter, encouraging his unwitting pupil into politics, wicked backstabbing schemes, occasional blackmail and even, on one occasion, a poisoning. Julio is neither especially favored nor especially ignored by Kronos, who is content for the moment to allow Paolo to enjoy his moment in the sun, before Julio sends him down the final steps into self-destruction, carrying himself and his entire city, and the hopes of virtually all the humans remaining in South America, into the Abyss. Julio is already anticipating a Distinction to swagger with when he returns to Hell, with the darkness of a hundred million souls to his credit... POPE PAOLO DI BRASIL, Pope of the Holy Catholic Church of Rome CORPOREAL FORCES- 2 Strength 4 Agility 4 ETHERIAL FORCES- 2 Intelligence 3 Precision 5 CELESTIAL FORCES- 2 Will 4 Perception 4 Human body, Toughness/1 Status: 6 (world religious leader) Charisma: +2 Skills: Emote/5, Lie/3, Fast Talk/3, Knowledge (Catholic Church)/6, Fighting/2 The Pope of Latin America is a strong, handsome man in the prime of his life- he just turned 40- handsome in a darkly European way. He has just a hint of the swarthy Latinoamericano blood about him, darkening his skin and sable hair and giving him a warm, friendly appearance. In fact, this Pope worked his way up through the Church in Brazil on the backs of his unknowing rivals, guided every step of the way by 'Father Julio.' His soul is as dark as the most cutthroat gangster's, and his cunning better than average. His lone failing is his relatively average intelligence, which he overcomes through Julio's kindly 'advice.' In reality, each time he seeks Julio for counsel, he leaves the demon significantly altered emotionally, the Habbalite resonance played specifically to calm or inflame Paolo's ambitions at the appropriate times. His clever political strategems are really Julio's, and the demon is setting him up to be dead in the middle when, not long down the road, Rio's tenuous grip on civilization and prosperity finally breaks down... --- Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:57:53 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Nybbas, Archangel of the Media (Communica >> Nybbas looked over the stinking charnel pit of Budapest, >> gazing in mute horror at the corpses of all sorts of life, humans, >> pets, predators, scavengers, plants- even millions upon millions >> of flies lay still on the earth where the smell of decay had drawn >> them into the slaughter. The only life remaining in the river >> valley for ten miles in either direction was the bacteria which >> had crawled up from the earth to claim the bodies lying in the >> street, filling the once great city with the horrible stench of >> decay. > >Bacteria, crawling 10 miles? Somehow, it would seem creepier if they >*weren't* decaying. Other than that, more kudos... > Crawling from beneath the surface of the ground, more like a few inches (which is still a ways to go for bacteria)... Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 00:09:35 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> B5 Victory >> > I would assume they wind up staring at their Hearts, whereever those >> > Hearts may be. Or, for the Heartless, they wind up in Limbo. (_Heaven >> > & Hell_, p. 79.) >> >> On the same note, I'm sure any surviving Preserver Superior >> wasn't dumb enough to leave all those hearts behind. They'd >> either grab them all, arrange to have them grabbed or have them >> destroyed (and then remade later). > >A couple of notes: > >1) A Celestial can shatter their own Heart with an act of Will, if >they are touching it. A Malakim would most definately do so as soon >as his corporeal vessel died - he may be able to break other hearts, >too, before he died. Doesn't matter, if the demons are waiting for him when he arrives, a Malakite isn't going to have time to do much... in any case, once the Demons have the Malakite, they don't need his Heart... >2) A Heart can be used to to find where an Celestial is, and even >maybe what they are doing. New Heaven has a pretty big security >leak... All of the angels who have joined up with New Heaven have had their old Hearts broken and new ones made and stored in Lucifer's Lighthouse. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:18:32 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: IN> Re: Strack PBEM 10/24/97 > >> You can even hand me disks or something at times..) > > > >The disks comment is confusing me, unless you're talking about disks > >for the web pages or something. > > Yep -- you can give me everything in one big batch to upload... I'm on a large amount of the time anyway - unless setting up things so I can FTP them to the site is a pain, it would be easier for me to just put them up myself. And that way I can doublecheck everything before I let it out on unuspecting people... Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "It's the eternal question, really; to be a slave in Heaven, or a star in Hell. But sometimes Hell doesn't look like Hell. On a good day, it can look like LA." - Playing God ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:18:31 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 3 10/24/97 > This is why you have to send a Bright Lilim with the group, to > make sure they keep their promises... Or a very > pained-looking Malakite who can mutter, "No, don't kill them. > Orders. From Yves and Eli. Don't kill the demons who are trying to > free you. Orders from the Seraphim Council What's Left Of It. I have > to protect the demons who are working with us." Rainman, Malakim of Light... > Hm. I wonder if angels can shatter their Hearts like demons... Unless there is some inherent flaw in a Demonic Heart that Angelic Hearts lack, it stands to reason. > >I need a quick description of Limbo so I can finalize the DV Corp-Death > >rules. However, I'm going to guess it plays out like this: > > Limbo is nowhere. Limbo is where Heartless demons and angels go. Oh, bother. That's...creepy. Can a Celestial loose Forces like an Ethereal can? Interesting, though. A couple of quesions: Can a Celestial use a vessel they already have to escape Limbo? And can a vessel be built (at the costs given in H&H or The Marches) without going into Limbo? > Free Lilim who didn't have Hearts wind up in Limbo, too... (You > don't need a Heart to leave Hell... That's Errata.) Can a Demonic Heart be hidden somewhere on the Ethereal plane? Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "It's the eternal question, really; to be a slave in Heaven, or a star in Hell. But sometimes Hell doesn't look like Hell. On a good day, it can look like LA." - Playing God ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:18:32 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: IN> Beth's post munge, take 2 > >> I would assume they wind up staring at their Hearts, whereever those > >> Hearts may be. Or, for the Heartless, they wind up in Limbo. > >> (_Heaven & Hell_, p. 79.) > > > >Hmmm - beg to differ, Beth. Destruction of the Vessel, p111: > > > >"When a spirit's corporeal vessel is destroyed, it returns to the > >ethereal realm, at whatever place it considers home or otherwise > >safe." > > > >Last I knew, spirits lack Hearts... > > AA Beth, Archangel of Line Editing: Those are ethereal spirits. When > speaking of Celestials, they wind up staring at their Hearts, or > (for the Heartless), in Limbo. > > And on rare occasions, humans and ethereals have also gotten there. So limbo is a Celestial Realm of sorts? Okay, that works... > >Canon for somebody without a heart is a Trauma measured in weeks, and > >the chance of loosing a Force. > > Those are Ethereal Spirits, not Celestials. Canon. (Well, Trauma is > still measured in weeks for the celestials, too, but they're in > Limbo. p. 79 of Heaven & Hell.) Sorry. > > Dominic comes off as a pathetic, haunted paranoid (and I should note > >that I don't like Perez's drawings of him - "My God - it's full of stars!"). > > *sigh* Me either. I think SMIF's rendition was much better. *sigh* For IN basic, or did he submit one for H&H, too? > >Man, if that isn't Hell, I don't know what it. > > I dunno -- it's what I grew up with. Faith in oneself > to make the world go Right, and a certain amount of responsibility > to at least one's little corner of the universe... > > Admittedly, I also get reincarnation and some other fun stuff, so > I'm not without a safety-net of faith... Bah - amature. Who needs a net? ;-) Nathaniel Eliot Balseraph of Atheism (aka - Khalid's #1 target) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 00:17:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Martin Leslie Leuschen Subject: IN> Yves Library The question is not "Have you found Yves' Library," it's "Has Yves' Library found You?" Haven't you ever been in a library, walking through the stacks, and found a shelf full of facinating stuff you weren't expecting? Sat down, right there in the Aisle, and just communed with all the mondo interesting books, oblivious to all but the written word until the Librarians flashed the lights to warn everyone it was time to leave? Yves' Library found you... , Martin Leuschen martinl@rice.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 00:26:00 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 3 10/24/97 >>Not as well as it could be... Lucifer basically threw the spiritual, if not >>the de jure, leadership of New Heaven's unified strategy into Eli's lap. > >Well, Eli's probably one of the oldest sane (mostly) and contineously >angelic Archangels... With the exception of Yves, who is presumably still >recuperating. > True... but more to the point, he was the -only- major Archangel to stay free and stay loyal (apparently, anyway- we just don't know about Janus) to God's Will. He's also currently the most powerful Superior, or tied with Lucifer; the difference is debatable, and in the end moot. >>Still, between Lucifer's advice and initiative and Eli's grudging >>willingness to be Leader, they work fairly well together. Eli'd be more >>comfortable if Lucifer would occasionally take a stand, or even take over, >>but Lucifer's one serious fear is the temptation of leadership, and it's a >>road he refuses to walk again. > >Wise. Very wise.... I trust some of this will appear in the Eli writeup? > > Only in passing. This is a more in-depth analysis of how two Superiors interact than is strictly warranted in a simple-format writeup. Eli's writeup will focus more on how he's trying to cope, a member of Heaven's least divine Choir thrust into the chairmanship of the Seraphim Council, and in general a very, very, VERY worried Archangel. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:38:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Repost: Zeiteng, Duke of Trends On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Pee Kitty wrote: > Zeiteng, Baron of Media, Demon of Trends Interesting....though why didn't you name him Zeitgeist? It's obscure, descriptive of his word, and indicative of a Shedite all at once... - -- Casca (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:00:16 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Yves Library >The question is not "Have you found Yves' Library," it's "Has Yves' Library >found You?" > >Haven't you ever been in a library, walking through the stacks, and found >a shelf full of facinating stuff you weren't expecting? Sat down, right >there in the Aisle, and just communed with all the mondo interesting >books, oblivious to all but the written word until the Librarians >flashed the lights to warn everyone it was time to leave? Yves' Library >found you... No. :( Little things aside, I grew up in the country, with small school libraries and the nearest 'city library' a half hour away... and -that- was usually only the size of a house, or smaller. And when I went to college, I was too driven and goal-oriented to just wander (especially since UT uses the *&*&(* LibCongress system). Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #434 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.