From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Oct 26 18:43:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA26746 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:43:10 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA17764 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:30:57 -0600 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:30:57 -0600 Message-Id: <199710270030.SAA17764@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #436 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, October 26 1997 Volume 01 : Number 436 In this digest: Re: IN> [DV] Well... what next? IN> Flushing out Celestials Re: IN> Flushing out Celestials IN> Act 2 (Humour -- long) Re: IN> Re: [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! Re: IN> Re: [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! Re: IN> Act 2 (Humour -- long) Re: IN> Re: [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! IN> Re: More DV stuff Re: IN> Re: [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! Re: IN> Re: More DV stuff Re: IN> Re: More DV stuff IN> [DV] Falling Re: IN> Re: More DV stuff Re: IN> Re: More DV stuff Re: IN> Re: More DV stuff IN> Query : Where is Gabriel's volcano? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 00:18:54 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Well... what next? >On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > >> So... any requests for DV? Demon Prince mods you'd like to see? Regional >> info? Suggestions for adventures? > >I've always been rather fond of completeness, so I hereby request that >you do DV updates on all the remaining Archangels (including >ex-archangels) and Demon Princes. ;) > >Especially Yves, Kronos and Saminga. > Hm. I'm too broke right now to buy Heaven and Hell, so I might be off a bit on Yves and Kronos- especially Yves. But I'll put them on the list. Next up, though, is Saminga. }:-{D Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 04:38:17 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Flushing out Celestials >>>He wears loose open necked shirts and pays close attention to anyone who does a double take if they see his tattoo. Anyone else had a player try a similar dodge.<<< No, 'cause there is no "angelic script" in canon. Making it up for your game is fine, but then you do have to deal with clever players who use it to their advantage. Then again, even without angelic script, a tattoo that says in English (or any other language) "I am a Malakite of War, die Balseraph scum!" (or something along those lines) would probably have the same effect... Of course, while this trick may flush out a few incautious celestials, it is also broadcasting his status to EVERY celestial who sees him... I think you can quickly encourage him to start buttoning up those shirts if you really want to... - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 08:34:16 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> Flushing out Celestials > ... but if that had been my game, I'd have had every Celestial react > with 'A twit, yawn' while every human who noticed the tatoo would > double-take trying to read it, or at least identify the alphabet. Also, it advertises your Celestial status very openly, which is what we call "Not a good thing." Unless you can handle a rabid pack of Malakim/Calabim of War (depending on your side)... > Redneck ("Not a demon? Yer lyin'!" WHAM *disturbance* "Um, Bobo, I > think it's a human." "Nah! 'E's just burnin' Essence ta make it > -look- like he's a human!" *WHAM* *croak* *FHUGE disturbance* "Well, > whaddaya know, he was a human.") That's an interesting idea - could you time Essence use just right, to make it seem like the disturbance comes from being hit? My first thought is no - the source of the disturbance would be the hitter normally, not the target - but I could be wrong. Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "It's the eternal question, really; to be a slave in Heaven, or a star in Hell. But sometimes Hell doesn't look like Hell. On a good day, it can look like LA." - Playing God ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 14:21:37 +0000 From: Jo Hart Subject: IN> Act 2 (Humour -- long) ((I'm sorry this got a bit long. I'll never do it again!)) On the Summoning of Demons (Act 2 of 3) ** The same cellar, but some time has passed since Act 1, as can be seen from the fact that the pile of crisp packets on the table has grown into a small mountain. Kronos is alone, a small amount of natural light filters in through a grate somewhere, casting shadows of bars across him. He sits cross-legged in the centre of the circle, fingers steepled together and head bowed as if in prayer. He is wearing thin handcuffs (made of silver foil) with some writing on them. ** KRONOS: *intones* Nyx, Niobe, Morrigan, Lilit, Mistress of Night, Mother of Hordes, Dark Lady, Guardian of... * he pauses and looks up as the doorhandle rattles, he looks very tired * JENNY: *walks in and slams the door. She is wearing a power suit.* OK, where is he? KRONOS: Jennifer, as thou art well aware, I am in no position to answer such questions at present. Who dost thou seek? JENNY: Dave's been down here again, hasn't he? I bet he's nicked the bankbook and done a runner. Well, he isn't going to get away with it this time! *electricity crackles along her fingertips* Hes been totally useless since that Helen of Troy crap -- I knew it was a stupid idea but no... Men!! KRONOS: *winces perceptibly at the Helen reference* Child, he has left with your cohort 'Meths' -- you have been abandoned here to face alone the doom to which your soul is irrevocably turned. JENNY: *sarcastic* Doom, gloom and an eternity of Spice Girls videos. You demon guys certainly do bring the party with you. * a gust of fresh air knocks over a stack of lager cans and the door opens again. Ruby Wax enters -- she is wearing hot pink lipstick and a track-suit* LILITH: *sniffs and cocks an eyebrow at Kronos* My gawd, when was the last time anyone hoovered in here? JENNY & LILITH (to each other): Who the hell are you? KRONOS: *stands and tucks his hands inside the cuffs of the opposite sleeves* Madame, it were as well we finished this nonsense directly. LILITH: Who am I? *gestures dramatically to herself* Sister, have you got some serious (and I do mean serious) apologising to do...?! JENNY: Like hell! *starts to look worried* Another demon, I'm so stuffed... KRONOS: *clears his throat* There is a war on, in case thou hadst failed to notice. LILITH: Don't worry honey, we've got time. No-one has seen Yves for a few days either, so theres no real harm done. KRONOS: *colour drains from his face* No... let it not be so. Those idiots could be out doing anything! Lilith, I acknowledge my debt and now willst thou GET ME OUT OF HERE, Princess of so-called Freedom??!! LILITH: Temper, temper. Patience is a virtue, you know. *she notices the crisp packets* Neat, do you have any salt and vinegar? JENNY: *mimicing her voice as she tosses Lilith a bag of crisps* Sure, do you have any manners? LILITH: Well aren't you just the cutest thing? *turns to Kronos* Throw her in as part of the deal, I think I'll keep her. I heard about the Helen thing incidentally, you old devil... KRONOS: *winces again at the name* Very well. She is already doomed to a life of 'if only's and 'too late's. *Lilith nods and tosses a coin in the air. It spins slowly before landing on the floor and rolls across the room. Finally it skids just into the chalk circle .. a wind sweeps through the room as Kronos steps outside* KRONOS: *pulls his robes about him* I cannot tell as to what thou hast heard about the trojan beauty, except that it is a lie, and now if you'll excuse me, I have a debt to pay back. LILITH: *smirks as he vanishes* Nice try, sweets, but Jean already gave me a copy of the video. *room fades to black* - ------- * An office. The decor is pure 70s sitcom and the furnishings include faux leather armchairs and a lava lamp. A TV plays quietly in a corner and a set of French Windows lead outside to a verandah. Kobal is lounging in a swivel chair with his feet kicked up onto a cluttered desk, his face is hidden behind the newspaper he is reading; two Lilim are artistically arranged on the soft furnishings -- one is wearing a bikini and the other an oversized man's shirt (they both look like Uma Thurman from Pulp Fiction except one is blonde and both are green).* LIL1: *opens a box-file and pulls out a paper* OK, Boss, you said you wanted to go through the results of the suggestions scheme about improving ecological efficiency in the office for the ISO-9000 stuff[1]? KOBAL: *looks and sounds as bored as hell* Go on then. LIL1: Right.. *reads from the suggestions form* 'Throw out the shredders and get in a couple of gerbils instead' LIL2: Sweetie, with a cat like you around who needs shredders? LIL1: Mee-ouw. KOBAL: *utterly withering* Kizzy, what have I told you about bitchy remarks? LIL2: *sigh* It may have been marginally funny the first time but... EVERYONE: ... it gets a bit tired after the first thousand repetitions. KOBAL: What happened to the old gerbils? *The Lilim look at each other and flush* LIL1: We had gerbils? KOBAL: Oh never mind. I suppose I'd better bite the bullet and deal with the uninvited guest. * The TV blares out the theme of the 10 o'clock news. The first headline is about a crisis in the world economy following a collapse of the Hong Kong stock exchange * KOBAL: Now /that/ was funny. *he leaves through the French Windows* LIL1: So.. do you think that was a thumbs up to the rodents idea? LIL2: *shrugs* Who knows. Theres no reasoning with a man who's lost his gerbils.. *the Lilim giggle at this dire joke and the room fades to black* - ------- ** Outside on the Verandah. A wide paved area that seems to lead off to infinity in all directions. It is pouring with rain. Kobal walks away from the mansion and in the distance we can see a small yellow speck. As he gets nearer it resolves into a huge beach umbrella sheltering a table and chairs. A genial silver-haired man dressed in cricketing whites with the England badge on his blazer[2] is sipping a brightly coloured cocktail. There are 2 more empty glasses on the table. ** YVES: My dear boy, I was wondering where you'd got to. Would you like another drink? KOBAL: I suppose it was too much to hope you'd have got bored and left. *cutting* I'm glad to see that you're getting some use from my drinks cabinet. Make yourself at home, why don't you? YVES: Why thank you, don't mind if I do. *he pours himself another drink* KOBAL: Aren't you supposed to have better things to do than inflicting yourself on unsuspecting demons? We're fighting a war, as I'm frequently told! YVES: Ah but 'what is this life if full of care, we have no time to stand and stare?' -- really its been most relaxing. I should take time off more often. *he ponders the third glass as if he hadn't noticed it before and smiles* Besides which, it seemed a shame not to take advantage of the fact that Kronos has been temporarily trapped on earth. KOBAL: *does a double take* What? By whom? YVES: By you, dear boy. KOBAL: Oh no, you don't get me that way. Theres no way. Its got to be a set-up. YVES: Really you should try to see the funny side. Would I lie to you? KOBAL: Well it couldn't have happened to a nicer Balseraph. So if he's there and you are here.. I could have been out setting up... *he jumps to his feet* YVES: Too late, old chap. Hes about to be freed even as we speak, so really I should be going as well. Its been an uncommon pleasure. * Yves downs the contents of his glass, and disappears enigmatically, together with the garden furnishings and umbrella. Kobal is left holding a half-empty bottle of Pimms and getting rained on. He slumps at the shoulders and walks back towards the house.* - ------- [1] ISO-9000, a Quality Standard. [2] It is a well known fact that God bats for England. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 08:53:04 -0500 From: Charybdis GreyDragon Subject: Re: IN> Re: [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! [Charybdis] >> Maybe I'm just cruel, but I can see too much fun if he lives... [Redneck] >By a vote of 4-1, Litheroy is now officially under torture very secretly in >the depths of Perdition. Yay! Okay, okay... Maybe that doesn't exactly call for a "yay"... More of a sigh of relief that my Superior yet lives... And a sense of purpose in a new mystery to solve-- that of his location... [Redneck] > Alaemon has moved him around from one abandoned or >untenanted Principality to another, only he knows the exact hiding space. >Only he, Kronos, and a handful of Alaemon's Servitors know Litheroy is still >alive. > >But he's alive. Good luck finding him, Ofanim. ^_- Definitely has adventure potential... :) I can see it now... I try and invoke my resonance for finding the shortest distance between myself and where I need to go (in this case, wherever Litheroy is). And by an amazing fluke (Divine Intervention, perhaps... ), I actually I know where he is... And since there is a mystery to unearth, and since NOT revealing this secret would definitely hurt Litheroy, I simply MUST go... And get myself in WAAAAAY over my head... Yeah... That DEFINITELY sounds like Jeremiah... (Come to think of it... That die roll to let me find it could be INFERNAL intervention after all... ) [ See there Nachamias, there can be fun bits to Intervention...] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 09:01:15 -0500 From: Charybdis GreyDragon Subject: Re: IN> Re: [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! [Charybdis] >> Maybe I'm just cruel, but I can see too much fun if he lives... [Redneck] >By a vote of 4-1, Litheroy is now officially under torture very secretly in >the depths of Perdition. Yay! Okay, okay... Maybe that doesn't exactly call for a "yay"... More of a sigh of relief that my Superior yet lives... And a sense of purpose in a new mystery to solve-- that of his location... [Redneck] > Alaemon has moved him around from one abandoned or >untenanted Principality to another, only he knows the exact hiding space. >Only he, Kronos, and a handful of Alaemon's Servitors know Litheroy is still >alive. > >But he's alive. Good luck finding him, Ofanim. ^_- Definitely has adventure potential... :) I can see it now... I try and invoke my resonance for finding the shortest distance between myself and where I need to go (in this case, wherever Litheroy is). And by an amazing fluke (Divine Intervention, perhaps... ), I actually I know where he is... And since there is a mystery to unearth, and since NOT revealing this secret would definitely hurt Litheroy, I simply MUST go... And get myself in WAAAAAY over my head... Yeah... That DEFINITELY sounds like Jeremiah... (Come to think of it... That die roll to let me find it could be INFERNAL intervention after all... ) [ See there Nachamias, there can be fun bits to Intervention...] Peace, Charybdis GreyDragon charybdis@krilion.cnchost.com http://www.krilion.cnchost.com ** Let them eat each other!** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 12:05:44 -0500 From: Charybdis GreyDragon Subject: Re: IN> Act 2 (Humour -- long) [Jo Hart] >((I'm sorry this got a bit long. I'll never do it again!)) Hey! No restraining promises like that! This is great, and I'd hate to see you stop sending cool stuff like this just cuz it was a little longer than planned... Peace, Charybdis GreyDragon charybdis@krilion.cnchost.com http://www.krilion.cnchost.com ** Let them eat each other!** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 10:24:00 -0700 (MST) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Re: [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! > >Only he, Kronos, and a handful of Alaemon's Servitors know Litheroy is still > >alive. > Definitely has adventure potential... :) > I can see it now... I try and invoke my resonance for finding the shortest > distance between myself and where I need to go (in this case, wherever > Litheroy is). And by an amazing fluke (Divine Intervention, perhaps... ), 'Course, considering where he is, the "fastest way there" is probably, "Sit down and shut up." (Half an hour later, Jeremiah the Calabim strolls into the room with Litheroy and winks. "Hi, boss.") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 17:39:32 GMT From: maya@tcp.co.uk (GR Cogman) Subject: IN> Re: More DV stuff Okay, since my previous email to the list managed to lose itself in the depths beyond human understanding (I suspect Haagenti ate it): An idea for DV ramifications. There are probably a lot of confused ex-Servitors of Judgement wandering round out there. I can imagine (though ymmv on this one) that when Dominic regains some vague echo of stability, at least enough not to be blasting the nearest moving object with cleansing fire, he might see the advantages to running some collect-and-acquire-Servitors missions. That is, capture-and-brainwash. After all, a lot of the spare Servitors will be horrendously confused by the way that things have gone, and would be able to find even some sort of "comfort" in their old Superior. And Balseraphs are _so_ convincing. Complications could include SoJ with vital knowledge being in that captured batch, ringers slipped in to fake defection and go to spy on Hell, an attempt to keep Dominic's attention there while something else is going on elsewhere. Thoughts? Or is this not in keeping with the DV Dominic? I admit it's my own perception, and could be offkilter. Maya - --- Maya, Elohim of Eli in service to Blandine maya@tcp.co.uk - -- "There are those who say that wizards are subject to temptations and addictions beyond the understanding of ordinary men: the addiction to shape-changing, or to meditation under the influence of certain herbs and conditions of the stars; the obsession with knowledge, and the development of power. Yet this is not so. Temptation is temptation, obsession is obsession, and choice is choice." - Isar Chelladan, Precepts of Wizardry. -- "Dog Wizard", Barbara Hambly. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 12:13:23 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Re: [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! >> >Only he, Kronos, and a handful of Alaemon's Servitors know Litheroy is still >> >alive. >> Definitely has adventure potential... :) >> I can see it now... I try and invoke my resonance for finding the shortest >> distance between myself and where I need to go (in this case, wherever >> Litheroy is). And by an amazing fluke (Divine Intervention, perhaps... ), > 'Course, considering where he is, the "fastest way there" is >probably, "Sit down and shut up." (Half an hour later, Jeremiah the >Calabim strolls into the room with Litheroy and winks. "Hi, boss.") > Looks like I'd better finalize the DV rules for Falling pretty soon... }:-{D Redneck (suffice to say, it's not that simple) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 12:58:55 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Re: More DV stuff > >Okay, since my previous email to the list managed to lose itself in the >depths beyond human understanding (I suspect Haagenti ate it): > >An idea for DV ramifications. There are probably a lot of confused >ex-Servitors of Judgement wandering round out there. I can imagine (though >ymmv on this one) that when Dominic regains some vague echo of stability, at >least enough not to be blasting the nearest moving object with cleansing >fire, he might see the advantages to running some >collect-and-acquire-Servitors missions. > >That is, capture-and-brainwash. > >After all, a lot of the spare Servitors will be horrendously confused by the >way that things have gone, and would be able to find even some sort of >"comfort" in their old Superior. And Balseraphs are _so_ convincing. Hmmm. The problem here is twofold. First off, Dominic's Prime Lie- that is, the paranoid, sociopathic delusion that he is the only remaining creature in Creation which is worthy of God- pretty much assures that he won't be getting saner anytime soon. Sanity would be Dissonant for him. Second off, all of Dominic's remaining Angelic-natured Servants are under death sentence already. Those who Fall and present themselves to him will have about a 50/50 chance of being accepted or attacked as unfaithful to God... but those who didn't Fall are cowards and traitors. Obviously, if they're alive, they must have run away, and betrayed the Lord, so of course they must die by the flaming sword, burn baby burn, yadda yadda yadda. Get around those, and I might find some way to get around the hazards of being an unfallen Angel serving in Hell... freely. }:-{D Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:56:23 GMT From: maya@tcp.co.uk (GR Cogman) Subject: Re: IN> Re: More DV stuff >The problem here is twofold. > >First off, Dominic's Prime Lie- that is, the paranoid, sociopathic delusion >that he is the only remaining creature in Creation which is worthy of God- >pretty much assures that he won't be getting saner anytime soon. Sanity >would be Dissonant for him. Okay, I can see that. Quite fair. >Second off, all of Dominic's remaining Angelic-natured Servants are under >death sentence already. Those who Fall and present themselves to him will >have about a 50/50 chance of being accepted or attacked as unfaithful to >God... but those who didn't Fall are cowards and traitors. Obviously, if >they're alive, they must have run away, and betrayed the Lord, so of course >they must die by the flaming sword, burn baby burn, yadda yadda yadda. Hm. Some of Dominic's "saner" ex-Judgement Servitors might decide to recruit their old friends, increase their ranks, kidnap a few and give them a thorough treatment till they Fell? They can then go and fall in front of Dominic and beg forgiveness, they have now seen the light, spare us mighty Archangel. I confess it, it's just the idea of ex-Judgment being forcibly impressed into the ranks of Cleansing that intrigued me, and I'm trying to find a way round it. >Get around those, and I might find some way to get around the hazards of >being an unfallen Angel serving in Hell... freely. }:-{D My idea is more that they would have been given a thorough jumping-on or brainwashing until they Fell. Unfallen and serving in hell - interesting. I wonder how many still-Fallen in Hell are attempting to spy for the Preserver Faction, to locate David and all the Hearts and Malakim so that the next mission will be on target? Habbalah would be a natural for the job, perhaps. Maya - --- Maya, Elohim of Eli in service to Blandine maya@tcp.co.uk - -- "There are those who say that wizards are subject to temptations and addictions beyond the understanding of ordinary men: the addiction to shape-changing, or to meditation under the influence of certain herbs and conditions of the stars; the obsession with knowledge, and the development of power. Yet this is not so. Temptation is temptation, obsession is obsession, and choice is choice." - Isar Chelladan, Precepts of Wizardry. -- "Dog Wizard", Barbara Hambly. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 14:30:54 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: IN> [DV] Falling With Angels and Demons serving side by side in New Heaven, it's easy to assume that an Angel Falling isn't that bad a thing. "Oh," says the Angel, "I don't have to worry about Dissonance anymore, if I Fall I can just sign up with Nybbas or Lucifer." GMs, this should never, ever be this simple. First off, unlike in the pre-War days, there is no longer a safety-net of Outcast to catch you on the way down. Since New Heaven doesn't throw out the Dissonant or Demonic, the only warning an Angel might have is if they realize their nature is becoming more selfish, more driiven by innner desires than the themes of the greater Symphony. Also, Heaven has been desecrated as a part of the War. That's why demons can exist and abide there now. Earth is even worse, with destruction, greed and hatred running wild across the planet, Humanity's darker emotions at their height. The darker tones of the Universe overall have their effect on Angels, making it easier for them to slide from grace into selfishness. As such, the first time an Angel fails a Dissonance roll or draws a Demonic Intervention, they Fall. When an Angel Falls, their innate nature is twisted. Sometimes the changes are subtle, as in Impudites and some Balseraphs; other times the change is radical, as in Calabim or more insane Balseraphs. In any event, the Demon born by the Angel's Fall is a different person from the Angel before that Fall, and whatever motives the Angel had in Falling will be perverted or ignored by the Demon's inner priorities. If the Falling Angel was in Heaven, they will find themselves in corporeal form on the Earth after the Fall. Depending on circumstances, they -may- choose to return to Heaven... they may go rogue, seeking out their own pleasures on the Earth... or they may go, voluntarily or not, to Hell. All the Demon Princes have agents scouring the Earth, searching for Renegade demons, but also searching for new Fallen to take to their Masters, or to destroy. The Demon may find themselves without a choice in their future, if one of these recruiters catches him. And, of course, falling Kyrotiates are not permitted back into New Heaven. Shedim have no place in the Preserver force, not when their basic nature is to drive their hosts to self-destruction. The Falling process must be played carefully, both by the PC and by the GM. The GM in particular should make Falling every bit as perilous a matter as it was before. The player should roleplay the inner change in the character to the fullest, showing that the Angelic character's nature and personality are being warped by their Dissonant, and then Diabolic, nature. If the player is doing this for simplistic reasons like, "I think Calabites of Nybbas get a cooler job than Ofanites. I wanna switch Attunements." or "I can just Fall, root around in Hell and spy out the land, then go back to Heaven and give them the news!" etc., the GM should either demand an excellent roleplay or else skew the results so that what happens is not what the wilfully Falling Angel expects. If worst comes to worst, have the Player roll D666, and ignore the check digit except for Interventions. This method is totally arbitrary, so it should not be used as anything more than a rule of thumb; the GM should make the final decision on the status of the Fallen as best fits their scenario. ANGELIC INTERVENTION - The Archangel the Angel served comes to the Angel's rescue, restoring their Angelic status on a probationary basis, as per the IN Redemption rules. 2 - 4 - The player remains loyal to New Heaven. 5 - The player is nominally loyal to New Heaven, but doesn't really care about its goals, simply choosing 6 - The player becomes a Renegade, doing favors for the Preservers but no longer willing to serve under their orders. 7 - The player goes Renegade, serving nobody and avoided or ignored by both sides. 8 - 10 - The player turns traitor entirely, seeking out Hell's demons and offering information in exchange for their patronage. The player may seek out a specific Superior's servants and attempt to make their own deal. 11 - 12 - A specific Demon Prince takes an interest in the Fallen, and will not take no for an answer. If the Fallen resists, the Prince will see them dead rather than go to another Prince's camp. DEMONIC INTERVENTION - The player's heart becomes totally Diabolic, but Hell doesn't want him... not alive, anyway. No Demon Prince will take them, and they won't want to return to New Heaven. This demon will be hunted by Saminga and Dominic's forces, as well as Gabriel's and possibly Lucifer's warriors. (This sort of living will get them into a Repentant frame of mind fairly quick, if they survive.. ^_-) Again, the dice system is a guideline only. For story purposes, the Angels of New Heaven divide up into thirds when they Fall; 1/3 loyal, 1/3 neutral, 1/3 traitor. (And whereas some Princes of Hell like traitors, others don't particularly care for new blood anymore, now that the War is almost won...) Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 14:55:11 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Re: More DV stuff >>Second off, all of Dominic's remaining Angelic-natured Servants are under >>death sentence already. Those who Fall and present themselves to him will >>have about a 50/50 chance of being accepted or attacked as unfaithful to >>God... but those who didn't Fall are cowards and traitors. Obviously, if >>they're alive, they must have run away, and betrayed the Lord, so of course >>they must die by the flaming sword, burn baby burn, yadda yadda yadda. > >Hm. Some of Dominic's "saner" ex-Judgement Servitors might decide to recruit >their old friends, increase their ranks, kidnap a few and give them a >thorough treatment till they Fell? They can then go and fall in front of >Dominic and beg forgiveness, they have now seen the light, spare us mighty >Archangel. It's difficult to force a Fall... ... and only a stupid Fallen of Judgement would brag to Dominic that they have seen the light and Fallen to rejoin him. Dominic would see a Fallen angel, nothing more, and smite. The successful Fallen of Judgement keep their motivations to themselves, ask penitently to be allowed to serve in Dominic's Crusade, and play upon his insanity, distracting his murderous urges from themselves by directing it at others. >I confess it, it's just the idea of ex-Judgment being forcibly impressed >into the ranks of Cleansing that intrigued me, and I'm trying to find a way >round it. It's tough. Any surviving Servitors of Judgement who don't fall of their own accord will be a pain to take down. They stay in groups, you know. };-{D >>Get around those, and I might find some way to get around the hazards of >>being an unfallen Angel serving in Hell... freely. }:-{D > >My idea is more that they would have been given a thorough jumping-on or >brainwashing until they Fell. Unfallen and serving in hell - interesting. Again, it's very difficult to force a Celestial to Fall (or Redeem). >I wonder how many still-Fallen in Hell are attempting to spy for the >Preserver Faction, to locate David and all the Hearts and Malakim so that >the next mission will be on target? Habbalah would be a natural for the job, >perhaps. A *lot* of Lilim are looking to use information to buy their way out of Hell and into the protection of New Heaven... few of them are allowed out of Hell, though. There's demons all around who could be persuaded to sell out, but rather few remain in Hell who are actually doing it from 'the goodness of their hearts.' Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:42:13 GMT From: maya@tcp.co.uk (GR Cogman) Subject: Re: IN> Re: More DV stuff >>Hm. Some of Dominic's "saner" ex-Judgement Servitors might decide to recruit >>their old friends, increase their ranks, kidnap a few and give them a >>thorough treatment till they Fell? They can then go and fall in front of >>Dominic and beg forgiveness, they have now seen the light, spare us mighty >>Archangel. > >It's difficult to force a Fall... > >... and only a stupid Fallen of Judgement would brag to Dominic that they >have seen the light and Fallen to rejoin him. Dominic would see a Fallen >angel, nothing more, and smite. Ah, I hadn't thought of that. That's very true, Dominic is still convinced he's a pure Archangel. Duh. Selfbap. >The successful Fallen of Judgement keep their motivations to themselves, ask >penitently to be allowed to serve in Dominic's Crusade, and play upon his >insanity, distracting his murderous urges from themselves by directing it at >others. Yes, that makes perfect sense. This must promote a lot of panic, trying to find convenient targets to point him at. >>I confess it, it's just the idea of ex-Judgment being forcibly impressed >>into the ranks of Cleansing that intrigued me, and I'm trying to find a way >>round it. > >It's tough. Any surviving Servitors of Judgement who don't fall of their own >accord will be a pain to take down. They stay in groups, you know. };-{D Sensible Servitors of Judgement. ;) I really _don't_ want to think about any idealistic ones who vow to try and Redeem their ex-Archangel. >>My idea is more that they would have been given a thorough jumping-on or >>brainwashing until they Fell. Unfallen and serving in hell - interesting. > >Again, it's very difficult to force a Celestial to Fall (or Redeem). True. Probably unfeasible idea, yes. >>I wonder how many still-Fallen in Hell are attempting to spy for the >>Preserver Faction, to locate David and all the Hearts and Malakim so that >>the next mission will be on target? Habbalah would be a natural for the job, >>perhaps. > >A *lot* of Lilim are looking to use information to buy their way out of Hell >and into the protection of New Heaven... few of them are allowed out of >Hell, though. Yes, that makes sense. Who's actually controlling the exit from Hell? Individual Princes over their own forces, or is some force actually manning the gates of Hades and running the immigration checks there? BTW, what happened to the two angels at the gates of Hades? >There's demons all around who could be persuaded to sell out, but rather few >remain in Hell who are actually doing it from 'the goodness of their hearts.' I can see that, yes. Thanks for commenting on the idea. :) - --- Maya, Elohim of Eli in service to Blandine maya@tcp.co.uk - -- "There are those who say that wizards are subject to temptations and addictions beyond the understanding of ordinary men: the addiction to shape-changing, or to meditation under the influence of certain herbs and conditions of the stars; the obsession with knowledge, and the development of power. Yet this is not so. Temptation is temptation, obsession is obsession, and choice is choice." - Isar Chelladan, Precepts of Wizardry. -- "Dog Wizard", Barbara Hambly. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:36:33 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Re: More DV stuff >>The successful Fallen of Judgement keep their motivations to themselves, ask >>penitently to be allowed to serve in Dominic's Crusade, and play upon his >>insanity, distracting his murderous urges from themselves by directing it at >>others. > >Yes, that makes perfect sense. This must promote a lot of panic, trying to >find convenient targets to point him at. > The more sensible demon will get Dominic thinking about people who aren't anywhere around. This get him points with his co-workers nearby- after all, Dommie isn't coming after -them.- ^_- (Yet.) >Sensible Servitors of Judgement. ;) I really _don't_ want to think about any >idealistic ones who vow to try and Redeem their ex-Archangel. > Few Angels of Judgement cares about Redemption. You Fall, you die. There are a few who might consider aiding demons wishing to Redeem... under very specific circumstances. They aren't into outreach programs. >>A *lot* of Lilim are looking to use information to buy their way out of Hell >>and into the protection of New Heaven... few of them are allowed out of >>Hell, though. > >Yes, that makes sense. Who's actually controlling the exit from Hell? >Individual Princes over their own forces, or is some force actually manning >the gates of Hades and running the immigration checks there? Neither. A demon that can generate a corporeal vessel can go to Earth anytime... if they go without a Heart stored in their Prince's care, though, they're Renegade, and that means other demons will be coming after them. (Note to myself: Lucifer gave at least one Demon a Word before he Redeemed- a replacement for Asmodeus, the Demon of Subjugation.) Demons -with- Hearts may come and go as they please, so long as they obey their Princes. And if they decide to go Renegade... their Princes know where they are. >BTW, what happened to the two angels at the gates of Hades? > Hmmmm. Angels of Judgement. Burp. Or something similar. > >Thanks for commenting on the idea. :) > All part of the service. }:-{D Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 00:20:25 GMT From: maya@tcp.co.uk (GR Cogman) Subject: IN> Query : Where is Gabriel's volcano? After reading Heaven and Hell, and comparing it to the original IN book and The Marches, I'm a little confused. The original book says, on P138, about Blandine's tower: "... atop the tower, the highest point on the angels' side of the Marches. Against one horizon, he can see Gabriel's volcano outlined against the radiant intensity of the Eternal City. The other horizon glows a deep orange, against which is silhouetted another tower, a dark reflection of Blandine's own." This seems to suggest that Gabriel's volcano lies somewhere between Heaven and Blandine's Tower / the Marches. As far as I can see (and I may have missed something) _The Marches_ doesn't comment on the location of Gabriel's volcano with relation to the Marches. _Heaven and Hell_ seems to suggest that Gabriel's volcano is on the other side of Heaven from Blandine's Tower. On P.64 : "The tower of Blandine, Archangel of Dreams, marks the boundary between Heaven and the Marches... Gabriel's Cathedral, the Volcano of Fire, marks the other boundary... On the other edge of Gabriel's Cathedral from Heaven is a dramatic caesura between the swelling hymns of Heaven and the discordant atonalism of Hell. Far below, or beyond - the terms are synonymous in this context, at least - is the rim of Sheol, Belial's citadel in Hell." This seems to suggest that Gabriel's volcano is entirely the other side of Heaven from Blandine's Tower. I can accept that Heavenly topology may be so weird that both cases can be true at the same time, and beyond our mortal understanding. Would anybody else care to comment? Maya - --- Maya, Elohim of Eli in service to Blandine maya@tcp.co.uk - -- "There are those who say that wizards are subject to temptations and addictions beyond the understanding of ordinary men: the addiction to shape-changing, or to meditation under the influence of certain herbs and conditions of the stars; the obsession with knowledge, and the development of power. Yet this is not so. Temptation is temptation, obsession is obsession, and choice is choice." - Isar Chelladan, Precepts of Wizardry. -- "Dog Wizard", Barbara Hambly. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #436 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.