From owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Mon Oct 27 17:44:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA32115 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:44:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA03896 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:19:51 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:19:51 -0600 Message-Id: <199710272319.RAA03896@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #440 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@LISTS.IO.COM Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, October 27 1997 Volume 01 : Number 440 In this digest: Re: IN> [DV] Corporeal Death in Armageddeon and After IN> Attn: Karakash - FAQ-type answer needed! Re: IN> Two questions.. Re: IN> Lilim and "Charm" Re: Escaping dissonance (Was: Re: IN> Re: Redeeming Shedim: it can be done) IN> Grey Victory Re: IN> Two questions.. Re: IN> Beth's post munge, take 2 Re: IN> Seraphim Check Digits Re: IN> [DV] Well... what next? + Fluff Re: IN> The Blade Blessing of Laurence Re: IN> Hebrew in IN and fluff. Re: IN> Yves Library Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 3 10/24/97 Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 3 10/24/97 IN> THE LAST LAUGH Re: IN> Dodging Seraph Resonance Re: IN> Mammon Re: IN> Grey Victory Re: IN> [DV] Well... what next? Re: IN> Flushing out Celestials Re: IN> [DV] Falling Re: IN> [DV] Corporeal Death in Armageddeon and After Re: IN> [Fluff] Book Review Re: IN> [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! Re: IN> Hebrew in IN and fluff. Re: IN> THE LAST LAUGH Re: IN> Guardian Angels ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:11:05 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Corporeal Death in Armageddeon and After At 7:15 PM -0500 10/24/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >>At 4:04 PM -0500 10/24/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >>>... and for better or worse, Lucifer has vowed that the first strike he >>>makes against Hell will be to destroy the rest of the Hearts stored away by >>>the Demons. [...] >>I can just see a well-equipped strike team of Malakim (and others) >>ascending to their Hearts deliberately, grabbing, smashing, and holding off >>the demon hordes (since it's an unexpected attack, coordinated for >>all of them to appear nearly at once)... >> >>There are disadvantages to gathering all Hearts in one place, >>after all... Especially if it's not in Hell. >> >Thank you, Beth, favored Servitor of Litheroy. }:-{D Sorry, I didn't know you'd laid claim to that inspiration particle already. >(so much for quiet plot development on a mini-adventure) >Who wants to try it? Suicidal idiots...? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:13:39 -0500 (EST) From: Pee Kitty Subject: IN> Attn: Karakash - FAQ-type answer needed! I really, really, really, REALLY need to get an answer to this one. Our game can't start until we get it cleared up (a player is waffling between two Superiors for her demon, but can't decide because of an ambiguity). To what does "charm" refer to in the Lilim Band Attunements of Asmodeus and Kronos?? Asmodeus' Lilim get a bonus to "charm" a person. Kronos' Lilim get a resonance bonus on "charmed" people. Whazzup? I find it hard to believe that this just refers to the Song of Charm. Kronos gives away so many cool, useful attunements that this one would be pathetic in comparison. An attunement that's only useful when you FIRST use a song and THEN resonate on someone? Nah... Does it refer to seduction? That's what Asmodeus' writeup seems to say, but doesn't fit Kronos. Is it some weird way to refer to the Lilim's resonance? Canonical answer needed PUHLEEZ! Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian (Married to Rev. Unibomber on 11/15/96 - be jealous ;) Meow! - -= Windows 95 =- A 32-bit patch for a 16-bit GUI shell running on top of an 8-bit operating system written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company who cannot stand 1 bit of competition. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:09:35 -0500 From: Hunter Johnson Subject: Re: IN> Two questions.. On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:18:49 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy said: > I don't think I have to. The GM's screen says: "or +1 per 4 Body > hits" -- *Body* hits. Not anything about damage to inanimate > things... > (I could have sworn this was already errated somewhere, and it's > driving me mildly nuts that it's not up anywhere.) > (So yes, if it's not errata'ed already, I'm errating it. Physical > damage to *anything* should make noise... I'll CC this to the > errata coordinator. Unless he recalls someone saying > differently...?) I recall it not at all, but it is in now (I was just editing that file anyway...). Hunter - -- J. Hunter Johnson /\ SJG Errata Coordinator (sjg-errata@io.com) http://www.io.com/~jhunterj/ /()\ Knightmare Chess Development Coordinator jhunterj@io.com /____\ The Games of '97 by # of times played: Settlers RoboRally Brain Pipe Groo Gin LunchMoney GURPS Knightmare DinoHunt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:03:09 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Lilim and "Charm" At 7:56 PM -0400 10/24/97, Pee Kitty wrote: >Twice the Lilim have Band Attunements that involve "charming". > >Baal's Lilim "add their Corp. forces to any attempt to charm someone." >Kronos' Lilim "can add their Cel. forces to any attempt to inflict a >charmed person with their infernal geas." > >What is a "charmed person"? What is "charming"? Is it just a reference to >the Song of Charm? (That seems to be the only answer so far.) Is it >something I missed about the Lilim? Is it something to do with reaction >rolls? > >It just seemed kind of unlikely that an Attunement would be ONLY USEFUL >with one song.... Alas, as far as I know, it's the Song of Charm. I'm going to be reviewing this for the IPG (Infernal Player's Guide), to see if I can slip in some clarifications. For now, if a victim is under the influence of any of the Songs of Charm, the Lilim gets her bennies. (Which means that Baal's Lilim sit on the sidelines and toast the opponenents' Strength and/or Agility while the Bals of the War carve them into thanksgiving turkeys...) But I'm going to have to ask Derek and SJ to see what they *meant* for that to mean... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:12:42 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: Escaping dissonance (Was: Re: IN> Re: Redeeming Shedim: it can be done) At 1:13 PM -0400 10/24/97, Jeff Miller wrote: >>>If he does something that accidentally, in a non-forseen series of >>>events, violates his nature (and the GM rules that it's direct enough >>>cause and event), he suddenly gets hit with dissonance, I think. (So >>>if a Servitor of Judgment is convinced that someone is guilty and >>>hands him over to the cops -- he'll reap dissonance right there if >>>the guy was framed.) >> >>Or maybe when the situation become irrecoverable. While he can still get >>the person back from the cops or hire a lawyer to prove him innocent, >>should he get dissonance? I tend to think not, until the recovery gets to >>the point of being unlikely. >> >I tend to think that he would gain the Dissonance upon turning the guy over >but could remove it by fixing his mistake. That is how many *Choir*/*Band* dissonance conditions work. A GM would be well within her rights to work it that way. (Or have the Superior be much more lenient if the Servitor has corrected the error.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:15:30 -600 From: "John L Veazey" Subject: IN> Grey Victory I would love to see a story of the Pagan Gods winning, that just seems cool. Vz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:36:13 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Two questions.. At 4:09 PM -0500 10/27/97, Hunter Johnson wrote: >On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:18:49 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy said: > >> I don't think I have to. The GM's screen says: "or +1 per 4 Body >> hits" -- *Body* hits. Not anything about damage to inanimate >> things... > >> (I could have sworn this was already errated somewhere, and it's >> driving me mildly nuts that it's not up anywhere.) > >> (So yes, if it's not errata'ed already, I'm errating it. Physical >> damage to *anything* should make noise... I'll CC this to the >> errata coordinator. Unless he recalls someone saying >> differently...?) > >I recall it not at all, but it is in now (I was just editing that file >anyway...). Good. I'm *sure* I can recall someone saying that should be the case... I just don't want to do the hunt that would take. Gluck. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:07:30 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Beth's post munge, take 2 At 1:18 AM +0000 10/25/97, Nathaniel Eliot wrote: >> >> I would assume they wind up staring at their Hearts, whereever those >> >> Hearts may be. Or, for the Heartless, they wind up in Limbo. >> >> (_Heaven & Hell_, p. 79.) [...] >> AA Beth, Archangel of Line Editing: Those are ethereal spirits. When >> speaking of Celestials, they wind up staring at their Hearts, or >> (for the Heartless), in Limbo. >> >> And on rare occasions, humans and ethereals have also gotten there. > >So limbo is a Celestial Realm of sorts? Okay, that works... Limbo is a state, not a place. It may be a place, it may be what a celestial experiences while spread out all over creation, it may be the "rests"/gaps in the Symphony. Nobody knows. Vapula may well send a few dozen imps into Limbo periodically, trying to conduct experiments. [...] > > >Sorry. No problem. I sometimes get messed up too. (Though usually not if I'm quoting page numbers...) >> > Dominic comes off as a pathetic, haunted paranoid (and I should note >> >that I don't like Perez's drawings of him - "My God - it's full of stars!"). >> >> *sigh* Me either. I think SMIF's rendition was much better. *sigh* > >For IN basic, or did he submit one for H&H, too? IN basic. I don't have any knowledge of what goes on in the Art Director's office, though sometimes I make suggestions about what would make a cool piece of art... >> >Man, if that isn't Hell, I don't know what it. >> >> I dunno -- it's what I grew up with. Faith in oneself >> to make the world go Right, and a certain amount of responsibility >> to at least one's little corner of the universe... >> >> Admittedly, I also get reincarnation and some other fun stuff, so >> I'm not without a safety-net of faith... > >Bah - amature. Who needs a net? ;-) Hmmmm.... Well, *I* like it!! >Nathaniel Eliot >Balseraph of Atheism >(aka - Khalid's #1 target) Ah, yes, Khalid. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:37:41 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim Check Digits At 3:14 AM +0000 10/25/97, Walt Mazur wrote: >On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:59:52 -0600 (MDT), Kingsley Lintz > wrote: >> What I think it REALLY comes down to is, as I seem to remember all >>of us more or less agreeing on once before...quantifying Superiors REALLY >>bites. > >Though we have Furfur qualified. Oh, well... Furfur the Word-bound is qualified. Furfur the Prince is *not* qualified. Note p. NM124, 3rd full paragraph: "As they cheer and churn and dance in the mosh pit, any celestial can feel Furfur's waxing power." Furfur just took a quantum leap from what he was, to what he wanted to become, and left the land that PCs roam in... >>Anything over an 18-Force entity just isn't accounted for, since they >>note 12 in any attribute as "Spectacular"...by the time you're getting CD >>bonuses off your default skills, I think the system has largely fallen to >>pieces. {"Aw, man...chemistry gets a -5, so I only get a minimum check >>digit of 8. Shucks." See what I mean?} > >Well, consider Precision/12 + Ranged Weapon/6 + Talisman Gun/6 + Accuracy/1 >+ Scope/1 + Aim/3 + Essence/9 = 38 = 12 + 26 CD bonus = 27 to 34 CD. Now >add a power of 8 to that for 35 to 42 damage. > >Or consider a holy pistol with Precision/12 + Ranged Weapon/6 + Accuracy/1 >+ Aim/3 + Essence/9 = 31 = 12 + 19 CD bonus = 20 to 25 CD, a damage of 120 >to 150 for a Holy Pistol/6. > >We're basically already there in ultra CD land. What we have to do is make >sure Attunements and other powers can keep up. Smite starts looking pretty >lame. The GM who allows either of the horrible "edge of the bellcurve" examples above...deserves what he gets. Maybe he should just promote the PCs to Superiors and be done with it. Use some diceless system for their politicking... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:28:32 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Well... what next? + Fluff > >I want to see Kronos. The Prince of Fate is no longer the most Powerful >DP in Hell, but his raw power was always only a side effect of his other >talents, IMHO. (I've always pictured him as immensely stong willed, subtle, >and deep-thinking. Kobal may be more clever, Vapula more intelligent, and >Malphas more manipulative, but no DP is even close to being as dangerous a >Kronos. YMMV) > >He sounded depressed and defeatest in "A Dark Seed," pining for Lucifer >in a similar way that Yves (in some settings) pines for God. I don't >think that will last forever. Yves, after all, has continued with God's >Plan, as he Sees it, Kronos may continue with Lucifer's. Ops for some >real bittersweet interactions between the two later on... Well, I don't have 'Heaven and Hell,' but the version of Kronos I have is not defeatist, or depressed exactly. He is -bitter.- He is -vindictive-. And he is very, -very,- *VERY* evil. He is Fated to destruction, so he's taking everything else with him. >Two things I see in the future of the DV universe: (Sorry Redneck if >any of these imaginings conflict with your plans - take them as fanciful >suggestions...) > >-Uriel's rampage in Hell, slaughtering Demons and freeing many captive >Angels seems unstoppable. Even the combined might of the other DPs can't >seem to stop this Power from the Upper Heavens. Then Saminga steps onto >the scene, calmly grabs the first Malakite in one immense hand, and cracks >his neck like a chicken. (Makes it baldly clear how powerful Saminga has >become.) Someone else is working on Uriel's Return. >-After much preparation and work (Many sessions and maybe campaigns >worth of playing) the Forces of heaven, aided by the remaining Etherials >(Anyway, that's one way to end a DV campaign, and my lttle bit of >compulsive Kronos Fluff....) Actually, it's a nice concept. I just have one question: Where do PCs fit into it? Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:49:51 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> The Blade Blessing of Laurence At 2:43 AM -0400 10/25/97, BCBermuda2@aol.com wrote: > I have a question regarding Laurence's Servitor Attunement: The Blade >Blessing of Laurence. It says that the blade touched has +5 Power. Now It >says that this bonus is not cumulative. Does that mean it is not cumulative >with another use of the Attunement Yes. You can't use it umpteen times (or 3, or whatever) to get more and more +5's. The basic Power of the weapon still adds (that's why it's *+*5, and not just Power 5.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:51:07 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Hebrew in IN and fluff. At 12:17 PM +0000 10/25/97, A. Nachmias wrote: >Andre Ribeiro wrote: >Most of the choirs are from hebrew, so we and my group can relate >easily. Malakim are in translation to hebrew Angels. Ofanim, are >actually bicycles or wheels. Cherubim are cabbages. Cabbages? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:45:11 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Yves Library At 12:17 AM -0500 10/25/97, Martin Leslie Leuschen wrote: >The question is not "Have you found Yves' Library," it's "Has Yves' Library >found You?" > >Haven't you ever been in a library, walking through the stacks, and found >a shelf full of facinating stuff you weren't expecting? Sat down, right >there in the Aisle, and just communed with all the mondo interesting >books, oblivious to all but the written word until the Librarians >flashed the lights to warn everyone it was time to leave? Yves' Library >found you... But that happens to me *every* time I go into a Library... (I'm not kidding -- I was helping the local Library do their inventory, and you need two people so that the books don't suck you in...) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:46:03 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 3 10/24/97 At 12:26 AM -0500 10/25/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >>>Still, between Lucifer's advice and initiative and Eli's grudging >>>willingness to be Leader, they work fairly well together. Eli'd be more >>>comfortable if Lucifer would occasionally take a stand, or even take over, >>>but Lucifer's one serious fear is the temptation of leadership, and it's a >>>road he refuses to walk again. >> >>Wise. Very wise.... I trust some of this will appear in the Eli writeup? >> >> >Only in passing. This is a more in-depth analysis of how two Superiors >interact than is strictly warranted in a simple-format writeup. Eli's >writeup will focus more on how he's trying to cope, a member of Heaven's >least divine Choir thrust into the chairmanship of the Seraphim Council, and >in general a very, very, VERY worried Archangel. Hm. A pity. Such things (or a contracted version) would be nice in the "Relations" section. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:43:18 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 3 10/24/97 At 1:18 AM +0000 10/25/97, Nathaniel Eliot wrote: >> Limbo is nowhere. Limbo is where Heartless demons and angels go. > > >Oh, bother. That's...creepy. Can a Celestial loose Forces like an >Ethereal can? In Limbo? It doesn't say they can. Of course, if you want it to be creepy, it doesn't say they *can't*, either... >Interesting, though. A couple of quesions: Can a Celestial use a >vessel they already have to escape Limbo? No, though they can build a very wimpy vessel and change to their better one the instant they get out. (The amount of Essence you need depends on the quality of the vessel you want. A rat is less expensive than a human. A vessel/1 is less expensive than a vessel/3. The multipliers add up fast.) >And can a vessel be built >(at the costs given in H&H or The Marches) without going into Limbo? This is how Ethereals, and presumably Superiors, do it. PC-level characters generally can't do it without going to Limbo first. (And if you *want* to go to Limbo, you can, even if you have a Heart.) >> Free Lilim who didn't have Hearts wind up in Limbo, too... (You >> don't need a Heart to leave Hell... That's Errata.) > >Can a Demonic Heart be hidden somewhere on the Ethereal plane? Well, Beleth's Servitors' Hearts go there... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:28:32 -0500 From: "Kirt A. Dankmyer -- aka Loki" Subject: IN> THE LAST LAUGH - --=====================_878005712==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" - --=====================_878005712==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" "...and you're no longer a demon or an angel, but something else entirely," finished Valefor. He ran a finger down the jacket of the immaculately-tailored Armani suit -- black -- that covered his celestial form. "How the fuck do you keep that thing so clean?" blurted Furfur, shaking his head and guesturing at the suit. Furfur, in celestial form, looked much more like a traditional Calabite, so much so he was almost a parody of one. He stared at Velefor behind a stringy mane, and his goatee snaked a little bit to the right. His leather pants hung off of him in a web of tatters, and he hadn't bothered to put on a shirt. Valefor, by contrast, was clean-shaven, and his bat-wings sat carefully folded on his back. Valefor chuckled. "Have you been listening to a thing I've said?" Furfur cocked his head, and, without so much as blinking, took as swing at at Valefor. He missed of course -- Valefor had been expecting the blow. Furfur pointed at him and said, "Don't patronize me, you fuck." Valefor blinked and smiled, casual. "I'm not fucking with you, man. I thought you'd be interested in what I had to say." "Sure, I'm interested," said Furfur, calming down. "But I don't trust you any father than I shit you. Fact of the matter is, Valefor, I think you *are* Janus, and I think you're trying to trick me into Redeeming." Valefor shook his head. "You know as well as I do that's impossible. What I'm talking about is similar, however. You have to genuinely want to change. It's a free will thing -- but instead of the binary off-on of Fallen and Redeemed, with those half-assed between-states like being Tripped, you're something else entirely. Not up or down, but bass-ackwards and sideways. You're on another axis. You've stopped voting Democrat or Republican, and you've voted Libertarian instead. Actually, it's more like throwing out the political system entirely, and 'voting' Anarchist." "Now you're talking," Furfur said, nodding. "And you can help me reach this 'state'?" "Yes," said Valefor. "If you genuinely want to reach it." "If you're fucking with me, I'll kill you, Prince or no," said Furfur. "I'm sure Kronos would love some help roasting you ass. But I'm game." "Good," said Valefor, and he reached out, and touched Furfur. Furfur was created by Belial, so he had never really personally experienced a Fall, though the Fall reverberated throughout his very being, like an echo that never fades. This was different, but it certainly wasn't Redemption, either. It was like a train full of corn syrup smashing into a truckload of albino cockroaches, with a little glass tinkle at the end -- but on a metaphysical level. Furfur's very nature Changed. And with it, Furfur's celestial form. He began to sprout fur, and he became slimmer. His wings shrank, and then they disappeared entirely. His lips extended, joined together, and hardened. His feet splayed, though his toes stuck together, with material strung between them, like his pants. His eyes grew. And the feelings. The feelings in his head. He wanted to dance around, jump, make strange whooping noises. He knew his new celestial body was springy and difficult to harm, and he wanted to use it. With a great effort of will, he suppressed the urge to run around Valefor's private chambers. Instead, he opened his bill and said: "What the fuck?! You turned me into a platypus!" And it was true -- Furfur now looked like a big, anthropomorphic platypus wearing tattered leather pants. "No," said Valefor. "All of your kind are unique -- you just happen to resemble a platypus. I turned you into a Daffanite. One of the Daffanim." "The what?!" asked Furfur. Then he did a double take, because Valefor now looked different. He was red-faced, all right, but Furfur now realized that was red makeup. And the wings, and the horns -- they were obviously pasted on. He could see the glue leaking out. His eyes were unusually big, making the Prince of Theft look -- well, cute. And Valefor was grinning at him. And Furfur recognized the grin. "Kobal," he spat. "You Impudite pigfucker, you lied to me! No wonder you could keep that suit so clean!" Kobal remained calm and smiling, rubbing the face-paint off with a gigantic hanky. "No, I didn't lie to you. And I'm not an Impudite -- I'm a Animim. A Mercurian gone Bass-Ackwards and Sideways. And, by the way, you were right, in a sense -- Valefor and Janus were me all along. Always have been." Furfur laughed, despite himself. And, before he could stop himself, he was laughing and whooping around the room, bounching off the walls, the floor, and Kobal. But, just as suddenly as he started, he stopped, landing in front of Kobol, panting with wrath. He tried to invoke his Calabite resonance, imagining the pieces of soul-stuff that made up Kobol and the nullity between, and willing the bits apart, but when he did, what happened was he (quite unconciously) pulled a large red hammer out of his back pocket and brought it down on Kobol's head. Or where Kobol's head would have been, if the Animim had not neatly sidestepped it. "Tsk," said Kobol. "You got what you wanted. You're Something Else now. Stop trying to fight it. You're Funny. None of my servants are demons, never have been -- they're all Bass Ackwards and Sideways." Furfur eyed Kobol warily. "How come I never noticed how cheesy your disguise was before?" "It's an ability we all have -- cheesy disguises work no matter now cheesy they are. I've been Sideways and Bass-Ackwards since before the Fall, Furfur. I created the Janus and Valefor personas to keep tabs on things on both sides of the fence, and to make sure others went Bass Ackwards and Sideways. Haagenti's one of us. Jordi's one -- talking animals, and all." Pause. "And Dominic." "Dominic?!!" shouted Furfur, eyes widening, popping out with an improbable sproingy bulge. "Sure," said Kobol. "Everyone needs a straightman now and again, and Dominic willingly plays that role. We're not Selfish, or Selfless -- we're Funny. And the greatest practical joke, on both the traditional, stick-up-the-ass sides of this so-called War, is just starting to unfold." Pause. "The Spice Girls are just one tiny aspect of the Plan." At last, Furfur began to smile, his bill stretching impossibly. "I like it. I like it a lot. So we're not demons, and we're not angels. What are we? I mean, I know I'm a Daffanite, but what are we all?" Kobol raised an eyebow, and it moved off his face, hovering over his head, arched. "You haven't guessed yet? We're Toons, Furfur. We're Toons." - --=====================_878005712==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" - -- Kirt A. Dankmyer --- Academic Computing Specialist http://www.wfu.edu/~dankmyka/ -- (910) 759-4202 -- PGP public key available. For the Snark _was_ a Boojum, you see. --Lewis Carroll - --=====================_878005712==_-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:59:42 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Dodging Seraph Resonance At 9:15 PM +1000 10/25/97, Peter Frederick wrote: >Dear List > >Seraphs can detect untruth in statements made to them and sometimes, at high >CDs, gain positive information not provided by a person in conversation with >them. > >Can this be fritzed by not responding to the Seraph's questions? Yes. >Seems to >me that it should work, but raises the question of what is a non-response. >Would it be reasonable to give the Seraph a roll with some negative modifier >for an actively, but not verbally, responding subject? I would apply a penalty of "visual media only" to using the Seraph resonance on bodylanguage. And probably sign language as well. (That's a -3, from p. IN57) >eg. Sam the Seraph - "Did you kill her?" >Silent Punk flips Sam the Bird. Seraph gets, "He's trying to insult you," at best. >How about to read the body language of a passively responding subject? >eg. Sam the Seraph "Did you kill her?" >Scared Punk squirms in his seat and looks away. "He's sincerely scared," at best. >How about for a response not related to the question? >eg. Sam the Seraph - "Did you kill her?" >Mouthy Punk - "Sod off Halo Head." That's an order, not a statement. It reads null. (A Seraph can't tell if an order is true... "Go there" gets nothing. "I want you to go there" will be examined normally, according to the table.") >or >Surrealist Punk - "Fish." Might get something about hiding the real answer, but that would be about it, I'd say. >A nonrelated response like "I do not wish to answer that." is true on one >level, maybe the person really doesn't want to answer, but is obviously not >an answer to the question. So it is an untruth as relates to the question >asked and should therefore give the Seraph an otherwise unmodified Resonance >roll? They can examine the "I do not wish to answer that," but a smart GM who doesn't want Seraphim to toast their adventures will probably not give much more than that on even high CDs. A 6 might get, "He doesn't wish to answer that, not even subconsciously, because he is hiding something. You don't know what." Might get. Maybe. Non-leading questions should also be "null" -- "You killed him, didn't you?" might get some reading (as the speaker implies belief that this is the case), while, "Did you kill him?" would probably not get a truth-assessment attached. The safest thing to do, when you don't want to answer a Seraph, is to remain silent, looking them in the eye, and not moving. This annoys them no end. Especially if you're a Lilim and they're not wearing sunglasses. ("What's that answer worth to you?" is another non-response that they can't examine well...) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:20:23 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Mammon At 12:45 PM -0500 10/25/97, dkrous2 wrote: >Heaven and Hell does not list that the Prince of Greed has enemies. Do >he? Who? Baal detests him... Marc probably does too. He's hostile to Kronos, so that's probably reciprocated. He may just not be quite big enough (yet) to have Enemies. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:03:07 -0600 (CST) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> Grey Victory > I would love to see a story of the Pagan Gods winning, that just > seems cool. Well, my wife and I are working on a Pagan Victory at the moment. It's just taking a while to pin down the timeline. (It's a lot harder to do with more than one person writing it; you have to make sure that you're going off a fairly similar set of assupmtions.) And it _won't_ be called Grey Victory. > Vz Oops da Ogre, that would be if Gruad won... mudgb4@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:22:55 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Well... what next? At 5:02 PM -0500 10/25/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >Well, I appear to have run through the 'requests' list thus far for DV >material. [...] >So... any requests for DV? Demon Prince mods you'd like to see? Regional >info? Suggestions for adventures? Vapula, Kronos, Saminga... Eli. Definitely Eli. >Redneck (dum de do, where oh where has the Archangel gone, and where, oh >where can she be/ You'll find her down in Manchester town, with the Sons of >Liberty) "Arise, Colombian sons, arise, Arise and you might yet be free! Cast off the forces that made lies Of Jefferson and Liberty!" - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:26:42 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Flushing out Celestials At 8:34 AM +0000 10/26/97, Nathaniel Eliot wrote: >> Redneck ("Not a demon? Yer lyin'!" WHAM *disturbance* "Um, Bobo, I >> think it's a human." "Nah! 'E's just burnin' Essence ta make it >> -look- like he's a human!" *WHAM* *croak* *FHUGE disturbance* "Well, >> whaddaya know, he was a human.") > >That's an interesting idea - could you time Essence use just right, >to make it seem like the disturbance comes from being hit? My first >thought is no - the source of the disturbance would be the hitter >normally, not the target - but I could be wrong. Depends on the CD the Perception rolls get. At 3+, it doesn't work. Below that... I'd give it a chance! - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:34:42 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Falling At 2:30 PM -0600 10/26/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >As such, the first time an Angel fails a Dissonance roll or draws a Demonic >Intervention, they Fall. As a general note, with the exception of Infernal Intervention, an angel *cannot* Fall accidentially. The Dissonance number rolled against is always *current* dissonance, not including the note that has just been earned! So a smart angel will go: First note: roll higher than 0. No problem. Second note: roll higher than 1. No problem. Third note: roll higher than 2. But if you roll a 111, something *good* happens! Now, if you get 3 notes of dissonance, you convert it to Discord before you do anything to earn a 4th (where you'd be trying to get higher than a 3, and *could* Fall). - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:10:56 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Corporeal Death in Armageddeon and After >>>There are disadvantages to gathering all Hearts in one place, >>>after all... Especially if it's not in Hell. >>> >>Thank you, Beth, favored Servitor of Litheroy. }:-{D > > Sorry, I didn't know you'd laid claim >to that inspiration particle already. Me and, apparently, three other people now. }:-{D I'm not sore. >>Who wants to try it? > >Suicidal idiots...? > At least 25% of all role-players. }:-{D I like those numbers. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:34:31 +0200 From: Ijon Tichy Subject: Re: IN> [Fluff] Book Review At 10:16 AM 10/27/97 -0500, Emily Dresner wrote: > >I just finished last night reading "THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO THE SON" by >Norman Mailer. It's the first person view of the New Testament through >the eyes of Jesus Christ. Now, this is a painful read. It is difficult, >* The characterization of Satan when Jesus goes off to sit on his >* The characterization of Judas is also excellent. Again, it shows the >nature of evil... betrayal this time, and all that other good stuff. Another excellent book I can recommend on the subject of first-person accounts of Jesus Christ is "The Gospel According to Jesus", by Jose Saramago, a Portuguese writer whom I now hold in high revere. It is one *amazing* book. I'll skip the entire plot, not to spoil it. I consider Saramago in league with Umberto Eco. That alone should suffice, I think. It is excellent background material for In Nomine. - -- Ijon Tichy Sailing the 'net in the only e-mail: ijon@forum2.org Space Barrel known to man. Homepage: http://www.forum2.org/ijon MOO: VotSB, telnet://forum2.org:7777 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:48:41 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! At 11:59 PM +0000 10/26/97, Nathaniel Eliot wrote: >> Guess that's about the most literal example I've seen >> yet of the old cliche', "The road to Hell is paved with good >> intentions...." > >I was hoping that, in the DV universe at least, it would be paved >with those Ophanim of Litheroy... (I think that character has become the character that we all love to pick on...) >Of course, it would probably be paved with Malakim feathers, instead, >for that oh, so creepy feeling... Malakite feathers. With the wings still attached. But not the rest of the Malakim. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:44:08 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Hebrew in IN and fluff. > > >Most of the choirs are from hebrew, so we and my group can relate > >easily. Malakim are in translation to hebrew Angels. Ofanim, are > >actually bicycles or wheels. Cherubim are cabbages. > > Cabbages? > Haven't you ever noticed? They're all... leafy! - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:43:08 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> THE LAST LAUGH You're funny. I kill you last. I'd be lying if I didn't say I wasn't rolling around laughing right now. Okay, maybe I am lying. Or maybe I'm not. I'm laughing so hard I'm getting dissonance. All I know is that you're not allowed to play TOON anymore. :) - - Em, Happy Fun Balseraph ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:01:54 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Guardian Angels At 12:41 PM -0600 10/27/97, CyberSavant wrote: >Hello All. Just recently saw a birthday card with the Guardian >Angels for each month specified on it. I will provide the info >off the card for all. Can anyone tell me where the company found >this info? thanks I don't know where *they* found it, but in my Gustav Davidson's _A Dictionary of Angels including the fallen ones_, it's on p. 342. [ISBN 0-02-907052-X] (psst: can you trim the .sig down a little? This list is collected in digest form, and people can get a bit sad-eyed when they see the same huge, intricate, beautiful .sig five hundred times... Gracias.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #440 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.