From owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Tue Oct 28 00:42:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01154 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:42:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id AAA05862 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:24:58 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:24:58 -0600 Message-Id: <199710280624.AAA05862@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #442 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@LISTS.IO.COM Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, October 28 1997 Volume 01 : Number 442 In this digest: Re: IN> Guardian Angels Re: IN> Seraphim Check Digits Re: IN> Celestial Genesis IN> Aram, Demon of the Books IN> Mene, Angel of Accountants IN> Fighting question... Re: IN> Guardian Angels Re:IN> [DV] Well... what next? + Fluff Re: IN> [DV] PLACES: The Holy City of Rio de Janeiro Re: IN> Beth's post munge, take 2 Re: IN> Dark Victory:Commando raids on Heaven (long) IN> [FLUFF] The Tale of Azrael IN> Any ideas? Re: IN> Beth's post munge, take 2 (Fwd) Re: IN> Story : Masquerade (Fwd) Re: IN> [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! Re: IN> Beth's post munge, take 2 (Fwd) Re: IN> [Fluff] Book Review Re: IN> Yves Library Re: IN> Beth's post munge, take 2 Re: IN> [DV] PLACES: The Holy City of Rio de Janeiro Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Media Malakim Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween [DV] Kronos, Demon Prince of Fate (Was Re:IN> [DV] Well... what next? + Fluff) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:21:36 -0600 (CST) From: Dorothy Bixler Subject: Re: IN> Guardian Angels On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, CyberSavant wrote: > > > Hello All. Just recently saw a birthday card with the Guardian > Angels for each month specified on it. I will provide the info > off the card for all. Can anyone tell me where the company found > this info? thanks I've seen similar lists in books like _The Dictionary of Angels_. IIRC list's like this come from various sources, esp. folklore (Jewish and early Christian). (snip) > Ambriel May > This is where I cheerfully swiped the name for my Malakim of Fire for the Etherial Dawn PBeM ;) *Dorothy Michelle Bixler * mudmh10@ecom.ecn.bgu.edu* "Gidget, have you been laying with the Horned One again?" -MST3K's Mike from "The Thing the Couldn't Die" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:58:01 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim Check Digits >> As a GM, I'd let s player or two be this specialized; then, I'd play the >> game so he doesn't get the opportunity to use these little toys much, just >> when it's Dramatically Appropriate. > I don't like that so much, though. Players should have some input >in how the game is shaped, and the way they build their characters is >really their chance to express it. If a PC puts 42 out of 36 points into >their gun, they've bloody well paid for a chance to peg SOMEONE...and if >the GM really doesn't intend on giving them that, they should be upfront >about it from the beginning and say, "Um, look, you guys are all on loan >to Novalis. She's not going to TAKE someone like this." > >('Course, now they load up on a Relic and max out their Songs of >Harmony...) > That's kind of the point. This kind of player will do the same thing unless you either make up a charsheet -for- them or you teach them forcibly that playing the Chainsaw Vigilante is not -always- fun. }:-{D They might never play a game with you GMing again, but do you really want them if they do the Munchkin thing? Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:15:40 -0600 (CST) From: Dorothy Bixler Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Genesis okay kiddo's you knew I couldn't resist this one. On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Emily Dresner wrote: > > Yes, it's that time. It's been about two weeks, so it's time for another > one of 'Em's Wacky Writeups'. I need my own segment. My own show, even! > Ramble all you want... (snip) > .... thanks to ArchAngel Beth to listening to me ramble endlessly about > this stuff. Why anyone would want to hear about Shedim mating practices > is beyond me. :) > Oh just think of how unbelieveably kinky it would be (Ok think about Kyrio's instead if you'd like). You wouldn't have to worry about gender, and the possibility for positions would be endless }).;): <- Shedim smile (Snip) > Djinni: > > Copulation. (I still say the entire concept of Djinnporn freaks > me out.) "Hey, Ynsriel, get a load of the wings on that one!" (snip) > > Calabim: > > Copulation. This is the one that I don't wanna think about- Ouch! (snip) > - Pregnancy vs. Spontanious birth And what exactly would a pregnant Novalis crave? (snip) > > None of this is canon, and all of it springs (births, even) from somewhere > in my imagination. I doubt that it is all consistant, and of course, I'm > welcoming comments. I'm just hoping it answers a little bit of 'where > did my PC come from.' > > - Em, Demon of Playing IN Backwards, Balseraph of the Game. > Thanks for sending this along... *Dorothy Michelle Bixler * mudmh10@ecom.ecn.bgu.edu* "Gidget, have you been laying with the Horned One again?" -MST3K's Mike from "The Thing the Couldn't Die" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:24:40 EST From: Neel Krishnaswami Subject: IN> Aram, Demon of the Books Hi again. I picked up a copy of _Heaven and Hell_, and despite being unimpressed by Mammon, I came up with a minor wordbound demon for him anyway. Enjoy... (BTW, I promise Mene will be along shortly, if anyone makes it that far.) - ----- Aram, Demon of The Books Balseraph Servitor of Greed Knight of Treasure "It's not really stealing, you know. All we're doing is moving a few zeroes around -- and we could all use some extra zeroes in the old checking account, right?" Corporeal Forces 3 -- Strength 5 Agility 7 Ethereal Forces 4 -- Intelligence 6 Precision 10 Celestial Forces 5 -- Perception 8 Will 12 Vessel: Human Male/2, Charisma +1 (Oily charm) Role/4 Status/4 (Armani-wearing businessman) Attunements: Art of the Deal, Cooking the Books (see below), Balseraph of Greed Songs: Form(Ethereal)/4, Form(Celestial)/4, Healing(Corporeal)/4, Tongues(Corporeal)/4 Skills: Detect Lies/3, Dodge/4, Fast-Talk/6, Knowledge(Accounting)/6 Ranged Weapon/3 Special Rites: - - Convince a human to manipulate financial records for personal gain: +1 (+3 if the human runs away to Brazil afterwards!) Notes: Aram, Demon of The Books, was once one of Mammon's secretaries in Hell. When one of his fellows leaked news of his embezzling from Hell's payroll to Asmodeus, Aram did not hesitate. He blew his entire stash to buy a favor from Lilith herself, and when Asmodeus's inquisitors arrived, all the records showed that the whistle-blower was the guilty party. Mammon, vastly amused by his underling's ingenuity, granted Aram the word of The Books -- and banished him to Earth, where he could no longer steal from his master. Truth be told, he rather prefers the Earth to Hell. Embezzlement is much easier when most people are honest, and the luxuries here are less double-edged. The only downside is that his activities tend to draw the attention of pesky human investigators and annoying warrior angels. As a result, he tries his best to to work through human proxies. There are any number of grey functionaries he can use as stalking horses, and they make great scapegoats when he needs to throw some scraps to the wolves. Even though Aram is not very ambitious (lounging on a tropical beach surrounded by women of low moral character is his biggest dream), he works obsessively to promote his word. He is terrified that Mammon will one day remember his existence, and since there isn't anyone he can scapegoat this time, he actually needs real accomplishments to shield himself from his master. Special Attunement: COOK THE BOOKS The demon with this attunement can forge and manipulate financial records. If the demon makes a Will roll when changing one set of records, every copy of the books will change! Anyone examining the books gets a Perception check to see the forgery, but the roll is at -1 for each point of Essence the demon spent while using the attunement. (However, any angel with Marc's Friend of the Shareholders distinction will automatically detect the forgery. Also, the seraphim resonance works as normal, as well.) Adventure Seed: Unfortunately for Aram, he has attracted the attention of Mene, Angel of Accountants. She has worked tirelessly to encourage honest and accurate work from her chosen humans, and grew suspicious when some of her best proteges inexplicably threw their careers away. Aram would love to back down, but doubly unfortunately for him, Mene is one of Marc's rare Malakim... - ----- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@alum.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:37:50 EST From: Neel Krishnaswami Subject: IN> Mene, Angel of Accountants Well, here's Mene, from the little adventure seed under Aram. She's cut from the Malakim cloth, but in a slightly different pattern. - ----- Mene, Angel of Accountants Malakite Servitor of Trade Friend of the Shareholders Corporeal Forces -- 3 Strength 6 Agility 6 Ethereal Forces -- 4 Intelligence 8 Precision 8 Celestial Forces -- 4 Will 6 Perception 10 Vessel: Human Female/2, Charisma +2 (sheer enthusiasm) Role/4 Status/4 (Business Ethics Consultant) Attunements: Divine Contract, Malakim of Trade, Incarnate Law (see below) Distinctions: Vassal of Trade, Friend of the Shareholders Songs: Tongues(Corporeal)/5, Harmony(Ethereal)/5 Skills: Dodge/6, Emote/3, Fighting/4, Ranged Weapon/4, Detect Lies/5, Knowledge(Accounting)/6 Special Rite: - - Improve accounting practices at a business: +2 Malakim Oaths: - - Spend at least 8 hours every week teaching humans proper accounting practice. - - Never knowingly record false financial data into an accounting system. Notes: Mene is one of the rare Malakim of Trade. She has not been on Earth for very long, and has held the word of Accountants an even shorter time. She petitioned for the word of Accountants soon after coming to Earth, impressed by the remarkable level of integrity the accounting profession as a whole maintained, and seeing great possibilities to fight evil by stamping out what corruption did exist. Despite Marc's support, the Seraphim Council was at first hesitant, thinking this a word better suited to a Mercurian or Seraph. But when Dominic unexpectedly intervened, intoning gravely that the Malakim sense of honor was perfect for encouraging honest business practice, the Council gave her her word. Dominic also granted Mene a specialized form of his Incarnate Law attunement, to allow her to always know what the correct accounting rules are. She has settled into her role as a business ethics consultant, and attacks her job with both diligence and passion. She loves her job and her word; her raw passion is often enough to make even the most difficult esoterica interesting. She is adamant about the good that well-maintained records can do, and is unyielding when it comes to tolerating even the slightest bit of corruption. Some angels have remarked that Mene seems a very strange Malakite, but none of the remarkers have been Malakim themselves. Just because the evils she fights aren't tentacled horrors from the Pit doesn't make them any less evil, or her victories any less important. - ----- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@alum.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:51:44 -0500 (EST) From: Pee Kitty Subject: IN> Fighting question... I've been meaning to ask this question for a while now... Why do you add your Forces to your Strength+Skill when Fighting? All it seems to do is exaggerate the differences between the Corp-Force heavy celestials and the Non-Corp-Force heavy ones. I mean, look at this... ARNOLD: Corp Forces 4, Strength 9, Agility 7, Fighting/5 PEPE: Corp Forces 2, Strength 4, Agility 4, Fighting/3 Now, without adding CFs, Arnold would have a Fighting roll of 14, auto success w/CD+2. Pepe would have a Fighting roll of 7; half decent. Arnold is obviously gonna whup ass on Pepe in most situations, but Pepe has a chance. With CFs added, Arnold's roll jumps to 18! That's CD+6. Pepe jumps up to 9; a decent roll. Arnold is doing (on average) THREE TIMES the damage Pepe can do, and never misses. Put Pepe up against a human, and it's a similar situation. Put Arnold up against one, and...well... It just seems silly. Why shove Fighting rolls up so high? Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian (Married to Rev. Unibomber on 11/15/96 - be jealous ;) Meow! - -= Windows 95 =- A 32-bit patch for a 16-bit GUI shell running on top of an 8-bit operating system written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company who cannot stand 1 bit of competition. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:47:14 -0200 From: Marcelo Deo Debill Subject: Re: IN> Guardian Angels CyberSavant wrote: > Hello All. Just recently saw a birthday card with the Guardian > Angels for each month specified on it. I will provide the info > off the card for all. > Barbiel Oct We are currently under the protection of Barbiel, the Angel of Dolls??? Oh my God... Andre, D.P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:46:21 -0600 (CST) From: Martin Leslie Leuschen Subject: Re:IN> [DV] Well... what next? + Fluff >Well, I don't have 'Heaven and Hell,' Me neither, actually. Soon, sometime soon. > but the version of Kronos I have is not defeatist, or depressed > exactly. He is -bitter.- He is -vindictive-. And he is very, -very,- > *VERY* evil. Ok - I was vaguely close, right? I thought he *sounded* defeatest and depressed. I never said he wasn't evil. Note that in my improbable scenario he was the only unmauled Speriour at the end of the battle. > He is Fated to destruction, so he's taking everything else with him. I didn't know he was so Fated. IN Canon? DV Canon? >Someone else is working on Uriel's Return. Well, maybe they're on the list too. ;) I hope they found it interesting, at least. >>-After much preparation and work (Many sessions and maybe campaigns >>worth of playing) the Forces of heaven, aided by the remaining >Etherials just keep him away from the Throne for 24 hours and Saminga loses his >attunement and becomes less powerful than the other Demon Princes >working together> You come off as pretty negative sometimes Redneck. I'll try to uncrush my fragile ego and give a few explanations: - - It was fluff, and labeled so. Fluff is allowed to be long, it sez so somewhere... - - It wasn't just improbable, it was outright fanciful, and labled as so! - - In the scenario presented, Saminga *was* mare powerful than most of the rest of Creation even without the Granite Throne. He's been growing in power ever since the start of DV... As for getting him away from it for 24 hours, maybe it didn't work. Saminga may not be smart, or even sane, but he possesses as much raw animal cunning as any other DP. (IMHO) Perhaps I wasn't clear, but the idea was that even with the GT destroyed, and Sammy stunned and reeling, it took most of creation to take him down. >>(Anyway, that's one way to end a DV campaign, and my lttle bit of >>compulsive Kronos Fluff....) > >Actually, it's a nice concept. I just have one question: > >Where do PCs fit into it? Well, it was Superiour Fluff, so it doesn't really need a PC tie in, but at least one exists: The players could be the team that used Lucifer's artifact to sabotage the GT. Other than that, they could be involved in the plotting and diplomacy needed to set the ambush up, and participate in the final battle. In any case, a *lot* of DV is cool Superiour stories - it's not the nature of the setting to put everything on the PCs shoulders, at least not that I've seen. 'Ta, Martin Leuschen martinl@rice.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:32:12 -0200 From: Marcelo Deo Debill Subject: Re: IN> [DV] PLACES: The Holy City of Rio de Janeiro Redneck Gaijin wrote: > However, I ask, are there -refineries- within Rio or a few miles out? Crude > oil isn't good for much by itself... Yes, there are - in Campos, a city next to Rio. And I've forgotten that half of our vehicles is fueled by sugar cane's alcohol... But the main producer of alcohol is Sao Paulo - and I presume Sao Paulo was nuked along the other major cities of the world, so... Andre, D.P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:20:09 -0500 (EST) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Beth's post munge, take 2 On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >So limbo is a Celestial Realm of sorts? Okay, that works... > > Limbo is a state, not a place. It may be a place, it may be what > a celestial experiences while spread out all over creation, it > may be the "rests"/gaps in the Symphony. Nobody knows. Vapula > may well send a few dozen imps into Limbo periodically, trying to > conduct experiments. A couple of week back -- long before H&H was out -- I speculated upon the existence of Purgatory, a third Celestial realm. It was where human souls went when they weren't good enough for heaven and not bad enough for hell. Alas, no one responded to it.... I was so hoping to get feedback, too. - -- Casca (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:50:54 -0500 From: Frank Lazar Subject: Re: IN> Dark Victory:Commando raids on Heaven (long) >Fair enough, and thanks for the compliments. (Never cared for Amber, game or >novel, but I understand the ref.) It's a free country, at any rate, and if >you have an independent vision of DV, you're free to pursue it. I just find >it easier and more efficient to try to integrate DV into one grand vision, a >vision which, for all my snap answers and prodigious writing, I have blind >spots in as well. > >You just fell into a spot that I've been looking at -real- hard of late. }:-{D > Amber is the kind of game that is great with the right group and lousy with everyone else. (to a lesser extent, this is true of IN as well :). The grand vision is a good idea, one needs to give it abit of time to season as if it were. And DV would get more interesting if we got some of the "grunt level" viewpoint, the Angel Garibaldi's POV one might say if I might Babble on. :) DV would make a great setting for a "shared world" novel, not that anyone would print it. (But that's what APAs and personal web sites are for anyhow.:) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ | | We are dreamers, shapers, singers and makers. /_\ | | We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, // \\ | | Crystal and scanner, holographic demons, \\ //___\\ | | And invocations of equations. \\ // \\ | | \\__// \\ | | These are the tools we employ. And we know... many things. \\ | | \\ | | | Frank Lazar http://www.interactive.net/~fmlazar | \\ | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:55:29 -0400 From: David Paul Subject: IN> [FLUFF] The Tale of Azrael NOTE: This is about as far from canon as you can possibly get without playing another game entirely. Comments welcome. THE TALE OF AZRAEL, a Demonic Legend. The first days after the fall were tumultous for many demons. The shock of being cut off from God's grace was hardest of all on Lucifer himself, and it is common knowledge that he sought comfort (for a time) in the arms of his newest recruit, Lilith. What is not generally known was that this brief tryst bore fruit -- although not of the kind that might be expected. One dark day, nine or ten months after the Fall, Kronos burst into Lucifer's throne room, wild eyed, raving, and generally scared out of his wits. He informed Lucifer that Lilith had just borne him a child -- but this creature was no Celestial. Whereas Yves was a manifestation of Absolute Good and Kronos of Absolute Evil, this new being (now known as Azrael) was... nothing. A complete hole in the symphony. Even worse, Azrael was muting the symphony in its presence. Left unchecked, this Void would eventually bring the entire universe to a screeching halt. The Dread Lord was terrified. If the symphony was destroyed, he could never achieve his ambition of deposing and replacing God. Frantically, Lucifer managed to trap Azrael in a mystic gem -- a shard of Lucifer's original heart (which had shattered after the fall). Lucifer embedded the shard in one of his most lowly, idiotic, and above all dissonant servants, a demon named Saminga. It was hoped that the dissonance of the Shedite would drown out the pervasive silence of Azrael. This process, however, had some unforseen side effects.... Double essence to whoever can figure out where I got Azrael's parentage from. - -- David Paul janus@ioa.com - ----------------------------------------------------- *DO NOT TAUNT HAPPY FUN BAAL!* Kids! Bringing about Armageddon can be dangerous. Do not attempt it in your home. -- (Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman, Good Omens) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 02:34:30 -0200 From: "Cristiano Guião de Freitas" Subject: IN> Any ideas? Hi i need a little help from you guys... i'm starting a new campaign in Sao Paulo (Brazil) i already got a demon group playing there... the problem is. i don't have any ideas for an angel group... my demon group works in the police department as Cops witch is perfect for them 'cause our police is one of the most Corrupt and Violent in the world (very easy to impersonate a role) But for the angel group i don't have a clue... Send your suggestions... anything... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:35:38 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Beth's post munge, take 2 >On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> >So limbo is a Celestial Realm of sorts? Okay, that works... >> >> Limbo is a state, not a place. It may be a place, it may be what >> a celestial experiences while spread out all over creation, it >> may be the "rests"/gaps in the Symphony. Nobody knows. Vapula >> may well send a few dozen imps into Limbo periodically, trying to >> conduct experiments. > >A couple of week back -- long before H&H was out -- I speculated upon the >existence of Purgatory, a third Celestial realm. It was where human souls >went when they weren't good enough for heaven and not bad enough for hell. >Alas, no one responded to it.... > >I was so hoping to get feedback, too. > I didn't comment for two reasons. One, I'm not Catholic, I was raised Baptist, I don't know much about Purgatory. Two, last I heard, the Catholic Church had closed Purgatory due to budget cuts. }:-{D Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:41:28 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: (Fwd) Re: IN> Story : Masquerade Mailer screwup again... - ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Self To: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Story : Masquerade Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:13:53 > Michael doesn't look that dumb, having tied Lucifer in a violin > contest. Actually, I think that was Baal... Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "It's the eternal question, really; to be a slave in Heaven, or a star in Hell. But sometimes Hell doesn't look like Hell. On a good day, it can look like LA." - Playing God ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:41:28 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: (Fwd) Re: IN> [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! And again. - ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Self To: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:30:23 > >I was hoping that, in the DV universe at least, it would be paved > >with those Ophanim of Litheroy... > > (I think that character has become the character that we all > love to pick on...) Nah, he's okay...a little annoying, but Saph's warming. *Your* character, however, has Saph a little worried. > >Of course, it would probably be paved with Malakim feathers, instead, > >for that oh, so creepy feeling... > > Malakite feathers. With the wings still attached. But not the rest > of the Malakim. Well, in a little more subtle DV universe, only the feathers. The wings work for Saminga ruling Hell, though they lack the feel... Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "It's the eternal question, really; to be a slave in Heaven, or a star in Hell. But sometimes Hell doesn't look like Hell. On a good day, it can look like LA." - Playing God ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:41:28 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> Beth's post munge, take 2 Sorry about this - I didn't realize that my mailer wasn't sending to the list. - ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > >So limbo is a Celestial Realm of sorts? Okay, that works... > > Limbo is a state, not a place. It may be a place, it may be what a > celestial experiences while spread out all over creation, it may be > the "rests"/gaps in the Symphony. Nobody knows. Vapula may well > send a few dozen imps into Limbo periodically, trying to conduct > experiments. Limbo bungee jumping! > > > > > >Sorry. > > No problem. I sometimes get messed up too. (Though usually > not if I'm quoting page numbers...) But I was extrapolating, not quoting directly, so saying Canon wasn't in line. > >For IN basic, or did he submit one for H&H, too? > > IN basic. I don't have any knowledge of what goes on in the Art > Director's office, though sometimes I make suggestions about what > would make a cool piece of art... I saw the pics - yep, Smif was better... > >Nathaniel Eliot > >Balseraph of Atheism > >(aka - Khalid's #1 target) > > Ah, yes, Khalid. Incidentally, will he be showing up in a book, or was he already done in an article? Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "It's the eternal question, really; to be a slave in Heaven, or a star in Hell. But sometimes Hell doesn't look like Hell. On a good day, it can look like LA." - Playing God ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:41:29 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: (Fwd) Re: IN> [Fluff] Book Review And again. That's the last, I think... - ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Self To: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> [Fluff] Book Review Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:21:17 > For my own part, I can't QUITE recommend _Satan, His Psychotherapy > And Cure By the Unfortunate Dr. Kessler, JSPS_, because while it has > a great name and the bits that actually pertain to that are amusing, > the rest of it's lousy...and it really is -BITS- that have anything > to do with the title. (Though I do like the "JSPS" as a term for > Celestials to use regarding humans they're mucking with; stands for > "Just Some Poor Schmuck.") I've read this, but I don't know where - did it make it to the net at some point? Anyway, my 2 cents: A short story anthology called Deals with the Devil [ISBN 0-88677-623-6] is filled with stories about Hell and Satan. A lot of them are clunkers, or good but not appropriate to IN (including, unfortunately, the funnier ones), but there are some good ones: Winter, Michelle Sagara - About a demon and a human who try to fall in love. The Seminar from Hell, David Gerrold - A sales pitch for selling your soul to hell. Has the feel of Nybbas to it. For Value Recieved, Lawrence Watt-Evens - A sorcerer getting recruited as a Soldier of Hell, in a roundabout way... Moishe in Excelsis, Barry N. Malzberg - A good look at the world through the devil's eyes. Makes for good IN Backwards inspiration. Good Intentions, Charles Von Rospach - Hacking for Heaven and Hell. Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "It's the eternal question, really; to be a slave in Heaven, or a star in Hell. But sometimes Hell doesn't look like Hell. On a good day, it can look like LA." - Playing God ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:53:14 -0600 (CST) From: Dorothy Bixler Subject: Re: IN> Yves Library On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 12:17 AM -0500 10/25/97, Martin Leslie Leuschen wrote: > >The question is not "Have you found Yves' Library," it's "Has Yves' Library > >found You?" > > > >Haven't you ever been in a library, walking through the stacks, and found > >a shelf full of facinating stuff you weren't expecting? Sat down, right > >there in the Aisle, and just communed with all the mondo interesting > >books, oblivious to all but the written word until the Librarians > >flashed the lights to warn everyone it was time to leave? Yves' Library > >found you... > > But that happens to me *every* time I go into a Library... > > (I'm not kidding -- I was helping the local Library do their > inventory, and you need two people so that the books don't > suck you in...) > Same here. I used to work for the University's janitorial services in the library. I wasted a lot of state time looking at the cool books :) Actually I think I got transported to Kronos' Vaults a few times- I got to convince one of my bosses to let me brouse the county court records from around the turn of the century down in archives a few times (oooh- asylum records). *Dorothy Michelle Bixler * mudmh10@ecom.ecn.bgu.edu* "Gidget, have you been laying with the Horned One again?" -MST3K's Mike from "The Thing the Couldn't Die" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:19:47 -0500 (EST) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Beth's post munge, take 2 On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > >On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: Oh, sure, don't attribute me, RG. Crush my fragile ego. ;) > One, I'm not Catholic, I was raised Baptist, I don't know > much about Purgatory. Neither am I, but it was such a good idea I just threw in a disclaimer and ran with it. > Two, last I heard, the Catholic Church had closed Purgatory due to budget > cuts. }:-{D Hey, it's a bureaucracy. There's -always- room in the budget for eternal waiting rooms filled with dreary muzak where everything has the texture, color, and taste of lint. ;) (Yep, that's how I described Purgatory to my players: a Celestial lint trap. They get just the right 'eyugh' expression on their faces.) - -- Casca (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:01:14 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] PLACES: The Holy City of Rio de Janeiro >Redneck Gaijin wrote: > >> However, I ask, are there -refineries- within Rio or a few miles out? Crude >> oil isn't good for much by itself... > > Yes, there are - in Campos, a city next to Rio. And I've forgotten that half of >our vehicles is fueled by sugar cane's alcohol... But the main producer of alcohol >is Sao Paulo - and I presume Sao Paulo was nuked along the other major cities of the >world, so... > Hm. This would make a major change in Rio's geopolitik status- internally conditions would remain the same, while the wealthy would get wealthier from intracoastal trade in fuel and other raw materials up and down the Americas. And Sao Paulo was hit hard by natural disasters and Brazil's civil war- the war barely touched Rio, it was solidly in the old government's control. It's still hanging on, but nowhere near the power, wealth, or prestige of Rio. At a guess, I'd say that Brazil's post-Armageddeon population (as of the rise of Pope Paulo to political power in Rio, six weeks after the Last Battle) is in the neighborhood of 70 million. Six million of that alone is crowding in and around the city of Rio, with all but ten million of the remainder huddling in the remaining coastal and riverside cities. Brazilia, which had little or nothing in the way of resources to support it, and which was mostly destroyed by Brazil's civil war, is being abandoned by the people. Of all the cities of Brazil, however, only Rio holds any of the trappings of the industrial 20th Century world anymore. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:41:34 -0500 (EST) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Media Malakim On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > No, the Malakim need something constructive to do, something which promotes > the Word. I really liked the idea of Malakim being action heroes... except > how many 'Surname: Texas Ranger' shows could you have at one time? }:-{D > Something like that would work... maybe Malakim as stuntmen... hmmm... How about as investigative journalists? Reporters who uncover illegal/unethical/dishonorable practices and expose them for all the world to see....cameramen who go into war zones to film the atrocities there so that the world may know....angels who are willing to fight and die for the story "Because the people have a right to know, dammit!" Maybe I've just been playing too much Cyberpunk recently. - -- Casca (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:54:08 -0600 From: Jaeden Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] PERRY M. LLOYD wrote: > > >With all the things happening in the In Nomine world, what about > >vengeance? With the change in alliances and Saminga going force hungry, > >I bet someone just might be a little mad. > > > >Is there a AA or word-bound in the In Nomine books, or do I have to > >create them? > > > >With Uriel it might be something like this : Impure*slash*, Impure*slash > >Impure impure impure *slash*slash*slash* *insane cackle* > > > >Jaeden > > I'd say so. Glad you agree, how about the Angel of Vengeance? I did a prelim writeup for an AA, but he will probably end up being a Malakim of Fire, word-bound to vengeance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:55:14 -0800 (PST) From: nightgaunt@earthlink.net (Alexander Shearer) Subject: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween If, by chance, you're wondering what to be for Halloween, some easy solutions exist. So what are you supposed to be? 1. You have no costume to speak of. "I'm a Shedite." This may require an unpleasant act to complete the image. 2. Your friend doesn't have a costume either. Both of you should answer in unison this time. "I'm a Kyriotate." 3. Slid /way/ off that health regimen? "I'm a Pachadite." 4. Break out the cheesy angel wings. "A Mercurian." Or, of course, take the leather option: "An Impudite. You couldn't tell?" 5. Take a half hour out for some extensive Nair treatment and you're all ready to be an Elohite. 6. Some people can qualify as Habbalah with very little additional makeup. Of course, this barely scratches the surface. Whip out that ancient Orion slave girl body paint (you know you still have some from that shameful Trekkie past) and you're ready to go with the Lilim brigade! Bring the pets! ("Watch out - Rusty here's attuned to you!") I recommend against trying to be an Ofanite, but that's just a suggestion. Alexander Shearer nightgaunt@earthlink.net gaunt@uclink4.berkeley.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:15:22 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: [DV] Kronos, Demon Prince of Fate (Was Re:IN> [DV] Well... what next? + Fluff) >> but the version of Kronos I have is not defeatist, or depressed >> exactly. He is -bitter.- He is -vindictive-. And he is very, -very,- >> *VERY* evil. > >Ok - I was vaguely close, right? I thought he *sounded* defeatest and >depressed. I never said he wasn't evil. Note that in my improbable >scenario he was the only unmauled Speriour at the end of the battle. > >> He is Fated to destruction, so he's taking everything else with him. > >I didn't know he was so Fated. IN Canon? DV Canon? > I had better go ahead and write him up right quickly, just to answer your questions. (Again, this is working without Heaven & Hell to look through.) > >>>-After much preparation and work (Many sessions and maybe campaigns >>>worth of playing) the Forces of heaven, aided by the remaining >>Etherials >just keep him away from the Throne for 24 hours and Saminga loses his >>attunement and becomes less powerful than the other Demon Princes >>working together> > >You come off as pretty negative sometimes Redneck. I'll try to uncrush >my fragile ego and give a few explanations: A lot of people say this. I try to explain a problem I have with a DV bit, and this makes me negative. Maybe if I tried a different approach... >- It was fluff, and labeled so. Fluff is allowed to be long, it sez so >somewhere... Nothing wrong with that. >- It wasn't just improbable, it was outright fanciful, and >labled as so! Not so fanciful as you might think. Eventually, if no more subtle plot can be concocted to weaken Saminga or get him disattuned from the Throne, some or all of the Demon Princes will gang up to make a frontal assault on Saminga. >Perhaps I wasn't clear, but the idea was that even with the GT destroyed, >and Sammy stunned and reeling, it took most of creation to take him down. All accepted. That's why I called it -mildly- improbable. I still enjoyed it quite a bit, even if you did overshoot Saminga's power a ways. Saminga's the most powerful Demon Prince... but he's not nearly on a par with what Lucifer was without the Throne. And several of the other Demon princes (Malphas, Furfur and Dominic especially) have had similar, if not so intense, power boosts. >>Actually, it's a nice concept. I just have one question: >> >>Where do PCs fit into it? > >Well, it was Superiour Fluff, so it doesn't really need a PC tie in, but >at least one exists: The players could be the team that used Lucifer's >artifact to sabotage the GT. Other than that, they could be involved in >the plotting and diplomacy needed to set the ambush up, and participate >in the final battle. I like. Some, anyway. >In any case, a *lot* of DV is cool Superiour stories - it's not the >nature of the setting to put everything on the PCs shoulders, at least >not that I've seen. > This can be said of any IN setting. }:-{D And now... KRONOS, DARK PRINCE OF FATE The World is sliding towards the Pit; all it needs is one more little shove. Kronos is the only remaining member of Hell with a direct tie to the Symphony, and he passes this connection on to his Servitors. When he Fell, however, his first sense of the universe's Fate was his own. Kronos' Fate, which he believes to be unavoidable, is that he shall end his existence in Hell, alone. Kronos has accepted his Fate- what else could he do?- as being inevitable. However, he has determined that if he is going to end his days in defeat, he will take as much of he can of the goodness and potential light of the world and plunge it into the same dark depths he is bound for. Kronos has been very, very good at this job, and Armageddeon itself is considered to be his finest accomplishment, though all the Princes had a hand in it. Today, he commands the remaining organized armed forces of Hell- primarily Asmodeus' and Baal's former Servitors- as well as his old Servitors. He acts as Viceroy of Occupied Heaven and pro tempore ruler of Hades until a new Demon Prince may be named to fully replace Asmodeus. (Lucifer installed a Wordbound demon, the Demon of Subjugation, to do this, but as of yet he has not been granted the power of a Prince.) In effect, Kronos runs the day-to-day operations of all Hell, since Saminga has no interest in it. Whereas Saminga rules by threat of power, Kronos holds a more insiduous grip over lesser demons. He is second in power after Saminga, though not by terribly much if Saminga lost the Granite Throne, and he does not bother to ask Saminga about chastizing or eliminating disobedient or troublesome demons anywhere in Hell. Kronos is livid that Yves lives, and even more furious that Lucifer Redeemed. Where Yves sees Lucifer as holding the Destiny of Creation in his hands, Kronos sees Lucifer as the Fate of the world, and it is a sharp betrayal in Kronos' eyes to have such a dark Power become Light again. He is New Heaven's most implacable enemy, and only the fact that he has no ambition for rulership of Hell stays his hand now. (stats listed only as they differ from the IN Rulebook) RELATIONS Kronos is, for the most part, aloof from the politics of Hell. He has gone on record as neither supporting nor hindering any attempt at overthrow over Saminga- 'If Saminga is Fated to rule, he shall rule. If he is Fated to fall, he shall fall. It is not for me to interfere.' Malphas has given up completely on trying to manipulate him, not realizing that in some ways Kronos is subtly manipulating -him- for maximum chaos. Haagenti mocks him as before, irking the old Balseraph as much as ever. He ignores the rest as nonentities, all eventually Fated to join him in the Void... ALLIED: None ASSOCIATED: Malphas HOSTILE: Haagenti ENEMY: None CHANCE OF INVOCATION: 3 As acting commander of all Hell's forces, Kronos is more active than before, trying to shift all of Creation that much more into its Fate. As such, any demon under Kronos' command may attempt to summon him... but he still keeps a special attention for his chosen Servitors. INVOCATION MODIFIERS add: - -3 if summoner is not a Servitor of Fate - --- Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #442 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.