From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Nov 3 19:19:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28461 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:19:48 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA29487 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:44:25 -0600 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:44:25 -0600 Message-Id: <199711040044.SAA29487@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #455 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, November 3 1997 Volume 01 : Number 455 In this digest: Re: Jordi & T-Rex (Was Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Places - West Coast) Re: IN> Guardian Angels Re: IN> Re Chiliasm IN> [DARK VICTORY] Archival and Places Re: IN> [DV] The President Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Places - West Coast Re: IN> Few questions, A Re: IN> Guardian Angels Re: IN> Angelic Symbology Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> IMPORTANT message Re: IN> [DV] Falling Re: IN> Fighting and forces Re: IN> New IN Campaign Re: IN> New IN Campaign Re: IN> Elohim etymology Re: IN> Re Chiliasm Re: IN> About Shedim... IN> [Dark Victory] K.K. Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Beth's Non-canon Superiors Re: IN> [DV] The President Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Archival and Places Re: IN> [DV] Falling ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 13:55:30 -0500 From: Nana Yaw Ofori Subject: Re: Jordi & T-Rex (Was Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Places - West Coast) >Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 13:47:21 -0600 (CST) >From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) > >>>> Um, Why? Not why Vapula saved T. Rex for Africa, but why Jordi >>>>likes it? >>>> >>>Because Jordi can possess a few and stomp a small tribal village into paste. >>>}:-{D >> >> Point. Just because he uses them doesn't mean he has to like them, >>though, and there are plenty of reasons for him to not like them. > >Maybe, but Jordi's never been the sanest Superior in the world... };-{D >Anyway, why wouldn't Jordi welcome these creatures back? They're not the ones he remembers. At best, Vap's cronies would get the skeletons right, the muscles and cartilage right, and the skin texture right. Beyond that, they've got very little other than educated paleontological guesses to go on. Behavior, skin coloration, internal organs, all mostly conjecture. Now, if Vapula had managed to extensively interrogate ancient Celestials about them... [Gratuitous Snippage follows...] > > >All that came from H&H? Including the reasons listed? > >It puts a new spin on IN Jordi to me, then. Whoops. Um, no. Just the part about "Jordi has the spirits of all extinct animals on his savannah". Should have made that a lot clearer. Everything else (How to repopulate, and why he doesn't, and his views on extinction and humankind) was out of my mind. > >Still, it just seems waaaay too easy to me for Jordi to put all those >extinct species back on Earth like that. Heck, it's a struggle to get Saints >with 7 Forces down to Earth again. The animals would have to -want- to go >back down, as I read the Sainthood rules in Night Music, anyway. I got the impression that there are many more applicants for sainthood than actual saints, for the average Archangel. I see the biggest problem in becoming a Saint being convincing an Archangel that it's a good idea that you become one. Assuming Jordi does want to, I'd think it wouldn't be too difficult to find enough animal spirits to start a breeding population who'd be willing to hop down to earth, if it could be explained to them that their species was at stake, and they'd be allowed to come back if they died. If not, well, slap some servitors in appropriate vessels and send them down. >> Sane Jordi wouldn't approve >>at all. Whether "All humans must die!" Jordi would depends on whether he >>cares about how much damage is done to the rest of the world. > >In the long term, with the principal meat-eating race (Man) having taken >such a hard hit, small populations of carnosaurs might actually be a -good- >thing. In Africa, the native large meat-eaters have populations in the >single thousands, whereas the plant-eaters run into the hundreds of >thousands, even the millions. The elephant population isn't even the one >most likely to get wiped out- rhinos would probably not survive the >upheavals of the Apocalypse even without a new predator on the scene. > >In both Africa and North America, the reborn dinosaurs are filling >ecological gaps that Man took over from other predators (wolves, bobcats and >cougars on the North American plains, other large cats in East Africa). Sane >Jordi would probably be conservative enough to approve; Rabid Jordi isn't >looking at it in the same light, and probably won't notice until the >dinosaurs either die out again or take their place in a new, rebalanced >ecology. > Point. Heck, double-point .I'd been thinking of a more "normal" ecology going on. Though, I'm still having trouble beliving an Adult Rex would be capable of taking down sufficient wildebeest or zebra to keep itself fed. They're so darned noticeable on the savannah, and I don't think they could run one down. They'd have to go primarily scavenger, cattle-eater, or man-eater. On the other hand, if the herbivores are truly booming, I guess it might work out. Raptors would probably do much better in both environments, as their size would make it easier for them to stalk prey, and faster in the chase. I still think sane Jordi would prefer that lions and tigers and wolves make a true comeback, rather than be replaced by Vap's creatures, but if that's not an option, he might accept the new breeds as their successors, should they prove viable, and not too tainted. >In the meantime, he's having fun with -his- T-Rexes in Africa, having them >gobble up Maori like popcorn shrimp. > And they make their own cocktail sauce. \|=) [Okay, maybe that was a little too visceral.] Allright, I guess I can see this going on, assuming Vapula's Minions got pretty Damned Lucky, and Armageddon and all. And the future definately looks brighter for the Raptors than the Rexes. = http://www.io.com/~beholder ===================== nofori@pop3.utoled.edu === Nana-Yaw "The Fish" Ofori, Freelance Soldier of Heck, presenty serving Legion, Party of six thousand. Smoking or Non? ===== ><{{"> ============ "Life's a Fish, then you Fry." ======= <"}}>< ====== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 19:37:28 +0200 From: Ijon Tichy Subject: Re: IN> Guardian Angels At 07:21 PM 10/27/97 -0600, Dorothy Bixler wrote: >On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, CyberSavant wrote: > >> Hello All. Just recently saw a birthday card with the Guardian >> Angels for each month specified on it. I will provide the info >> off the card for all. Can anyone tell me where the company found >> this info? thanks > >I've seen similar lists in books like _The Dictionary of Angels_. IIRC >list's like this come from various sources, esp. folklore (Jewish and >early Christian). Jewish? I doubt that. The Jewish religion uses the Hebrew Calendar exclusively, which is based on the moon, rather than the sun, and has different month names and lengths. Besides, Judaism does not mentioned the concept of "Guardian" angels as such. AFAIK, Judaism considers angels servitors of God and proxies of his will, never actually personally attached to a person or group. - -- Ijon Tichy Sailing the 'net in the only e-mail: ijon@forum2.org Space Barrel known to man. Homepage: http://www.forum2.org/ijon MOO: VotSB, telnet://forum2.org:7777 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 19:52:03 +0200 From: Ijon Tichy Subject: Re: IN> Re Chiliasm At 12:38 PM 10/27/97 EST, Perry and Earl were discussing: >[PERRY] >> then... uh... sorry. But, Laurence and Dominic _do_ favor >> Christianity... :) >[Earl] >>But the coming of the Messiah and the Day of Judgement are not >>specifically Christian. Christianity inherited them from Judaism, >>and the expectation of the Messiah and the World to Come was a >>part of standard Judaism for centuries and still is except for the >>more liberal branches. Even Islam expects the coming of a messiah >>(called the Maddhi, if I recall correctly). It may be worth noting here, for everyone's general knowledge, that Judaism had a period of time infested with false messiahs, the most notable among them called "Shabtai Tzvi". Tzvi had an entire cult set up around him, and held out for several years despite outraged rabbinic excommunications and severe verdicts calling for his execution by stoning. Other sects found their own messiahs, and persecuted just as vigorously. Perhaps, if there's interest, I'll gather up the facts and publish an adventure seed. Anyone? - -- Ijon Tichy Sailing the 'net in the only e-mail: ijon@forum2.org Space Barrel known to man. Homepage: http://www.forum2.org/ijon MOO: VotSB, telnet://forum2.org:7777 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:49:58 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Archival and Places Okay -- there's enough DV stuff about various Places going around... Would one of my Servitors (I think I have two Servitors of Archives: Casca and A. Nachmias) like to earn a Distinction by putting the Places together into coherency, and sending it to me? (*Not* full of ">" stuff, but in something that I can just paste in and make HTML after letting Redneck see it.) Perhaps it should be done by state? Of course, if some other as yet unknown reliever of Archives wanted to do that... - --Archangel Beth, Archangel of Archives ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:09:14 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> [DV] The President At 11:33 AM -0600 11/1/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >[...] Most of the rest of the surviving cities are planning >emergency elections for a new Congress- nobody knows where, or if, it will >meet, but it keeps hope alive that the USA just might return and rebuild. Long live the Confederate States of America. (Who, me, born in Austin, Texas?) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:41:13 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Places - West Coast At 12:15 AM -0600 10/31/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >>New Mexico, Arizona and Nevada are going to have water problems as well. >> >Yep. Santa Fe is just barely going to be self-sustaining, as is El Paso, but >with much reduced populations. Phoenix, Albequerque, Tuscon... they'll all >likely be deserted. "Come and ride the road that links the Cities of the Sun. It's the Tucumcari-Albequerque-Flagstaff-Phoenix run." (I have just way too much Leslie Fish Filk.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:05:35 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Few questions, A At 2:24 PM +0000 11/1/97, A. Nachmias wrote: [somebody wrote] >>[...] In my game atleast, I see God as above both >> heaven _AND_ hell... Satan falling was just as much a part of his plan as >> anything else was. [...] > >Yes, there is no free will. Celestials only *think* they have free >will. There is no canon on that, BTW... Celestials (and GMs) get to figure out what they believe on their own. O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 16:29:45 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Guardian Angels Ijon Tichy wrote: > Jewish? I doubt that. The Jewish religion uses the Hebrew > Calendar exclusively, which is based on the moon, rather than > the sun, and has different month names and lengths. Perhaps the angels were originally assigned to signs of the Zodiac? These don't match the months exactly, anymore, but I think they used to do so better. > Besides, Judaism does not mentioned the concept of "Guardian" > angels as such. AFAIK, Judaism considers angels servitors of God \> and proxies of his will, never actually personally > attached to a person or group. Well, there's Michael, described in the book of Daniel as the guardian of Israel. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:21:47 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Angelic Symbology At 11:47 AM -0600 11/2/97, John L Veazey wrote: >Does anyone know of a book with the anchient Hebrew symbols that were >used to represent angels. Ex. The Prophecy, Uriel > > O O O > | | | > | | | > --------- > | > | > O > >I think that's how it is. > >Anyway, I've seen it in another book, but I cannot remember the name >of it, and I cannot find it within the vastness of my libraries. The Gustav Davidson book (I've ISBNed it a while back) has an appendex page that has some symbols that look sort of like that. I can't find the "4" symbol, though. :-( - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:31:07 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse At 3:39 PM -0500 10/30/97, Jeff Miller wrote: >>> >Hmmm. I dunno. I think feral and prowling doesn't change the state of >>> >Detroit much. :) [...] >>But I think the state would survive if nothing large and plutonium filled >>was dropped on it. >> >You know.... I keep getting flashes of those really bad post opokolypic >movies with those guys riding around in the armored cars and motorcycles..... In Nomine Beyond Thunderdome. WHAAAAAAA!!!!!!! (In Nomine CarWars! In Nomine Cthulupunk! In Nomine Ogre!) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:33:32 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> IMPORTANT message At 12:06 AM -0500 10/31/97, Frank Lazar wrote: >>At 10:41 PM -0500 10/28/97, Frank Lazar wrote: >>> With a name like this, I had to forward this to the list. The sad part, >>>however is that this might very well be true. The listadmin might want to >>>check out domain-blocking procedures if this happens. >> >>You should only send this sort of thing to the list admin. Read >>the "info" file (send to majordomo@lists.io.com, "info in_nomine-l"). >> >>That's me. I'll forward it on to the appropriate people. >I only sent it to the list because of the "Angelic" tie-ins. Still -- be careful with such things, and use the chainsaw. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:43:12 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Falling At 5:09 PM -0500 10/30/97, Jeff Miller wrote: >>As such, the first time an Angel fails a Dissonance roll or draws a Demonic >>Intervention, they Fall. >> >Is that a Demonic Intervention to the Dissonance roll or to any roll? I >assume the former even though I read the sentence to say the later. Two Demonic Interventions (assuming that the angel is converting to Discord ASAP) -- one to make him Outcast, and one to make him Fall. And yes, only on the Dissonance roll, though of course a GM could do other things within reason. (The Mercurian of Destiny draws a bead on someone with the sniper gun -- he's only going to shoot the thing out of someone's hand. He rolls 666. He hits the fellow with the mega-Bright Destiny. Dead. The GM might be able to rule that he Falls right there...) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:12:51 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Fighting and forces At 7:03 PM -0700 11/1/97, Kingsley Lintz wrote: [Claws] > I read it as just having a +1 Power, but consider that with only 1 >point in it, you're going to have a hard time invoking the stupid >things...not just because you'll need all the full invocation song and >dance bit, but also because you don't have a very good roll for it. >(C'mon, a basic Angel with CorpF3 is going to have to get a 4 or less..) This is why you do the song and dance routine some half-hour or more before you think you're going to need it. (My character wanders through Boston late at night -- but before she leaves the party for home, she Sings herself Claws. She's been known to take a whole hour to make the *&%*&^ things show up. I raised her skill level recently, though.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:25:41 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> New IN Campaign At 10:27 AM -0500 11/3/97, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: >> > But yeah, I would normally say a Duke is someone who can squish PCs without >> > making the GM roll dice, and it's unlikely a demon with much less than 15 >> > Forces would survive long as a Baron... >> > >> > -David >> > >> >> I made one Duke, built him out of 21 forces, and I'm wondering if that is >> enough. I may have to beef him up some before next session. > > You have an NPC that (probably) has over 12 in all his >attributes There may be things that having more than 18 Forces does, but it's not allowing non-Superiors to break the 12-max limits. (But Forces can be used to add to the rolls for Songs, and for Essence, and anything else that says "Total Forces" or even "[realm] Forces"...) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:29:58 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> New IN Campaign At 3:34 PM -0800 10/30/97, Keith Phemister wrote: >[...] How powerful should I make the Lieutenants to the AA and >DP. After all, I still want the PCs to be able to eventually lock horns >(or halos) with these guys directly, but I still want them to reflect the >power level that a "most trusted lieutenant" of Dominic or Asmodeus would >have. Could anyone give me some "benchmark" values (how many forces, >resources, etc...) Thanks. Probably around the 14-18 Force range, with a mid to high level Distinction, several Band/Choir attunements besides their own, and a few Servitor attunements. Skilled in their areas of expertise, a half-dozen Songs (Cor,Eth,Cel at various levels), and maybe an artifact or two. Or that's what I'd do, at least. (Start with some 15 Forces and build as if a "starting character", probably...?) [And what LintKing said, about not necessarily defining them yet, is a very good point. You can scale them accordingly if you keep them vague to start with. You probably *should* have a good idea of their personalities, though, and some areas of expertise.] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:44:54 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Elohim etymology At 12:27 PM +0200 10/31/98, Ijon Tichy wrote: >At 11:23 AM 10/30/97 -0600, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > >>Subject: Re: IN> Elohim etymology >> >>I asked my father about this. He's studied Biblical Hebrew. He said: >> >> "Elohim" is of course a plural noun, and is sometimes used to >> refer to "divine ones" in a heavenly court. See for example >> Ps. 8:6; Ps. 97:8. The term is also applied to single gods >> other than Yahweh. So the use of "elohim" for a choir of angels >> would fit into Old Testament usage. >> >>So, apparently, they are just plain "gods," and no one is >>particularly excited about it. We need not look for truncations >>of other phrases, or whatnot. > >Yes and no. Elohim _does_ mean "Gods", and hence could refer to pagan gods >and other _gods_. However, it isn't used to refer to angels, unless you >mean _Elohiyim_ ("Godly"), in which case it can very well refer to angelic >choirs. Hey, we all know that humans don't always get it right. "So what are you?" "I'm an angel, of the Elohim. A messager from God. I need to tell you some things. Oh, and work a few miracles." "A god! A god!" "No..." - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:29:53 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Re Chiliasm > >> then... uh... sorry. But, Laurence and Dominic _do_ favor > >> Christianity... :) > >[Earl] > >>But the coming of the Messiah and the Day of Judgement are not > >>specifically Christian. Christianity inherited them from Judaism, > >>and the expectation of the Messiah and the World to Come was a > >>part of standard Judaism for centuries and still is except for the > >>more liberal branches. Even Islam expects the coming of a messiah > >>(called the Maddhi, if I recall correctly). > > It may be worth noting here, for everyone's general knowledge, that Judaism > had a period of time infested with false messiahs, the most notable among > them called "Shabtai Tzvi". Tzvi had an entire cult set up around him, and > held out for several years despite outraged rabbinic excommunications and > severe verdicts calling for his execution by stoning. Other sects found > their own messiahs, and persecuted just as vigorously. > > Perhaps, if there's interest, I'll gather up the facts and publish an > adventure seed. > > Anyone? Oh, yes. Shabtai Tzvi. A Balseraph if I ever saw one. Sure. I think an adventure seed would be *fascinating*, and heck, I'd probably use it. - - Em, Local Balseraph ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:04:29 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> About Shedim... At 3:11 PM -0500 10/31/97, Pee Kitty wrote: >One of the players in my demon game (which hasn't started just yet) is a >Shedim. Thinking about it last night, I have a few worries...the >corruption and evil parts don't bug me a bit (I wouldn't be running a >demon game if they did), but just game balance-wise... > >How is a group of angels supposed to deal with a Shedite in the body of >some innocent 13-y/o? Sleepy time? Yep, it's hard. Shedim are nasty little pests. Worse than Austin Waterroaches. Knock the kid out and be ready with the Song of Healing. Or perhaps tie the kid up for a few days so that the Shedite *can't* corrupt him. Either way, we've got kidnapping or violence... >On that matter, if a Mercurian attacks that Shedite, do they gain >dissonance? I mean, they ARE hurting a little kid who IS a part of the >Symphony... They do. Hurting a kid will get them dissonance. >Does it generate disturbance? If a Shedite inhabits some construction >worker and you pump a few bullets into him, does the Symphony ring out? Yes. >And finally, how DO you stop one in combat if there are mortals around? Got a problem there. >Let's assume the Shedite has 28 hits (my player has 40, but that's >atypical for Shedim). You pump 21 points of damage into him with your >Uzis; on his turn, he posesses someone else...if they're within line of >sight, he can do it (maybe at a penalty, but most PCs buy around Will 10 >for their Shedim anyways). So next turn, the angels will probably not even >realize what happened (no disturbance, no visible effects), and will keep >attacking the human until disturbance rings out (unless the answer to the >above question is 'yes', in which case even THAT won't clue them). If and >when they finally realize where the Shedite is, he's back to full hit >points! Evil, aren't they? Yes, Shedim need sneaky angels to deal with them. But toss a few Seraphim of Destiny at them and watch them gripe. Have a few Kyrios around to try to kick them out, maybe? >PS: No one ever replied, so I'll ask again: Anyone else think it's wrong >and pointless to add Corporeal Forces to your Fighting rolls? Not really. Not after seeing Hamet with his 108 hit points in his *weak* vessel. At 2:29 PM -0800 10/31/97, Keith Phemister wrote: >Speaking as a rank-newbie; How about assulting Shedim in the Celestial >sphere? Such an attack shouldn't scar up the host body too much. Or maybe >Etherially? If your player-shedim is concentrating simply on the Coporeal, >it's ignoring two-thirds of it's being. Doesn't work -- unless you can force the Shedite out of its host. About the one thing that the Shedite has against it is that it can only possess one human at a time. One Human. No dogs, no cats, no walls, no celestial vessels. And only one at a time. At 10:32 PM -0500 10/31/97, Pee Kitty wrote: >On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >Well, Ethereal is possible, at least. Both the NC: Tongue and Eth. Song of >Entropy allow one to do Mind hits. Actually, in THIS case that will be >pretty effective...this Shedim is anything but high in the Mind hit dept >(*one* lousy Mind hit point). .... One Ethereal Force, One Intelligence? YYYYEEEEEGGGHHHHH! Oh, I don't think you're in trouble... >Still, I really don't want to have to resort to someone tonguing his host >every time I wanna get him under control. :) Plus, it certainly doesn't >apply to ALL Shedim...anyone got any advice? Anything that has to do with Intelligence... Songs of Charm, say? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:25:30 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> [Dark Victory] K.K. (K.K. is a Munchkin Lilim of Dark Humor -- look for her on the INC. http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles -- go to Rogues' Gallery. K.K. is known for having Perception 12, Will 12, Corporeal Forces 1, and going around getting Geases on Malakim for their need to kill her. She's a munchkin NPC.) Knowing absolutely nothing of Redneck's notions about what should happen, I'll spend a half hour or so and write... This. "You've got to be Joking." ========================== Black-winged death hurtled at the scrawny Lilim's head. She laughed and pointed her finger. "Pretend you're a teapot!" The Malakite squawked and backwinged, fighting against the Geas. A Calabite distracted him from that, and K.K. turned to seek out someone else who Owed her. Then she felt it, and looked up. Her dread Lord Kobal, and his Calabite Brother-Prince were at the buffet table in the Glade, where so many nice treats had been abandoned. K.K. frowned. He didn't *look* any different, but the Word of Dark Humor was trembling within her. Another Malakite dove for her, and she had to defend herself, batting the young Virtue away into a clot of Saminga's Djinn. Yet another of the defending angels headed towards her, and she waved a hand. "Play dead!" He fell back and was pounced upon. Struggling against the grasp of a horde of Shedim -- including the disgusting, boring, humorless Prince of Death himself -- the Archangel of Flowers looked up at Kobal while he laughed, and shouted something as she was dragged down. Her master stopped laughing. He frowned. And K.K.'s world fell apart. She dropped to her knees, screaming, as the Prince of Dark Humor threw his head back in a howl. His halo rippled, like an eclipse that was finally ending, and his leather wings sprouted shining feathers. K.K. clutched at the ground, fighting as if for breath. _Dark Humor! I serve Dark Humor! I serve Kobal! I-I serve... *LAUGHTER*!_ _What a joke!_ she thought, stunned by her Bright Lord. _What an ultimate joke!_ Kobal the Mercurian grinned at the celestials who had paused in their fighting. He rubbed his hands together, raised them... And a fang-filled maw rose above him like something out of _Jaws_, with the obvious conclusion. K.K. shrieked, calling her Lord's name, trying to get to him. A swirl of fighters came between her and the table, and when she fought her way past, there was nothing there but a greedy, hopping monstrosity, roaring with his own mirth, and a few feathers. She walked forwards, into the ring of calm around the Prince that was left as the Servitors of Flowers tried to defend their captured Archangel. She picked up a feather, pale and glowing white against the green of her skin. "Master..." Haagenti noticed her and grinned, reaching for her with a hairy paw. She ducked and bolted away, clutching the feather, heading towards a clot of black wings. She knocked one over and clung to his wing. "Help me escape!" she demanded. He scowled, but the Geas bit and he threw an arm around her. They vanished from the Groves just before Haagenti took a bite out of the ground where they stood... - ------- ---------- ---------- --------- -------- -------- -------- So K.K.'s roaming around the Earth (probably having ditched the Malakite, but hey, if it made a good story), trying to deal with her ex-Prince's Redemption and death. She went and shattered her Heart early on, lest she be taken over by Haagenti (and used for a spot of color on the main course), but is pretty much lost without her old Prince. And in a vessel with only 2 body hits. And with no Malakim to play with. K.K., the darling of Shal-Mari's "Malakim Blooper Reels", is miserable. And she's just not going to stand for that. Now, if she can only figure out whether she serves the *entity* or the *Word*... And she's still got that feather. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:51:38 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Beth's Non-canon Superiors At 11:27 PM -0600 10/30/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >>So, to add non-canon to Redneck's non-canon universe (how far from canon >>are we *getting* here, anyway?), I present my own Superiors and how they >>survived the Dark Victory... (Of course they survived. It's more amusing >>that way.) > >Hm. Scanning... Hey, it's non-canon. >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>The ArchDean, Archangel of Knowledge (or Secrets, or whatever) >>============================================================== Also known as My Favorite Munchkin. >>Balseraphs: Gritting her teeth at these perverters of information, the >>ArchDean grants them the ability to use their resonance on written material >>-- if the Balseraph writes a lie, it will be believed by a number of >>readers equal to the Liar's total Forces. The victims resist with Will + >>Celestial Forces, but the Balseraph will not take dissonance if they do so >>with a CD of 6. It is explained to them that using this ability, save to >>serve the causes of New Heaven, will be *strongly* disapproved of... > >It occurs to me the Balseraph in question is getting a bum deal. He writes a >book, it's published, and all but nine of the readers can tell it's a lie- >and those nine have a good chance of piercing the lie too. It's more for putting up flyers and propaganda... "You can help! Donate food and clothing to..." "You *want* to help us rebuild Austin!" Etc. At least, that's what I was thinking... >>The ArchDean welcomes Djinn who were formerly of the Game. > >Oooh, there's a story there, I suspect... a Servitor of the Game who joins >New Heaven not to save the Universe, but just to keep the Game going on and >on... >>Shedim: With great difficulty, the ArchDean can modify a Shedite so that it >>is able to ride "passively" within a host, not influencing it, but only >>observing. It may do this for a number of days equal to the check digit of >>its possession roll, and must then leave the host. If it tries to >>influence the host in any way during this time, however, it must make a >>Will roll to assert control -- and if it succeeds, it is instantly bound by >>its Band's dissonance conditions. >> Needless to say, there aren't many Shedim to be found around New Heaven, >>since nobody else likes them... However, they do make good spies. >>("Espionage *is* a subset of Knowledge.") Rumor has it that the ArchDean >>doesn't mind if a Shedite wrecks an *evil* human's life, but there have >>always been rumors about her situational ethics. > >The question I have here is, how effective is a Shedite who -doesn't want- >to destroy humans? Effective? Or likely? They can probably be quite effective. Look at Asmodeus'. Again, we may get more Gamesters here... >Or even -certain- humans? Those Shedim who defect to New >Heaven are either looking for Redemption or are trying to save their >Renegade tails... and unRedeemable Renegade Shedim are a thousand times more >dangerous to New Heaven's cause than they are to Hell. > >The Archdean must not have -many- Shedim... Definitely not. Though quasi-Redeemable ones might be useful for this sort of duty. >>The ArchDean is one of the few Archangels who actually tolerates Andre. > >They all -tolerate- Andre, except Gabriel. They need his people- of all the >Superiors in New Heaven, Andrealphus has the most surviving Servitors to >contribute. But nobody -likes- him. She'll banter with him. I gather the others won't. Perhaps "tolerates with a smile"? >>she is usually trying to figure out what Gabriel truly needs to >>rejoin reality. So far, she hasn't found anything she can supply: Needing >>the world to go back to The Way It Was, before the Fall, is just not within >>her power. > >What she needs will be touched upon (far in the future) in 'Heavenly Laughter.' Well, that's obviously the only Need that got found? (It seemed likely...) >All in all, coolness. I like both characters very much in their older >incarnations. I hoped that they would at least be amusing for DV. I kinda liked the Archives one best. >Still, you didn't get the one I'm -really- curious about. > >What happened to KK? }:-{D Oh, well, if you *want* to know... I'll have to write it. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:02:07 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] The President >At 11:33 AM -0600 11/1/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >>[...] Most of the rest of the surviving cities are planning >>emergency elections for a new Congress- nobody knows where, or if, it will >>meet, but it keeps hope alive that the USA just might return and rebuild. > >Long live the Confederate States of America. > >(Who, me, born in Austin, Texas?) > Well, there's at least -two- claimants to the Confederate government. One holds Montgomery and Birmingham, Alabama, and not much else; the other is helping turn Richmond, Virginia into a bombed-out ruin. (I'm waiting for more info on the guy who volunteered to do Virginia... I liked what he had when I saw it...) Whether or not the nation of Texas feels like joining either... quien sabe? }:-{D Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:35:45 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse >At 3:39 PM -0500 10/30/97, Jeff Miller wrote: >>>You know.... I keep getting flashes of those really bad post opokolypic >>movies with those guys riding around in the armored cars and motorcycles..... Opokolypic? hee... Redneck ("Welcome back to the first Apocolympics! And now for the finals of the 100-meter smite!") Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:38:34 -0500 (EST) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Archival and Places On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Okay -- there's enough DV stuff about various Places going around... I'll say. I've lost count of how many email are sitting on my mail spool with the DV header. And this is -with- judicious deletion. > Would one of my Servitors (I think I have two Servitors of Archives: > Casca and A. Nachmias) like to earn a Distinction by putting the > Places together into coherency, and sending it to me? Of course, Archangel. Would you like what I have collected thus far, or should I wait until the thread dies down? I prefer the latter. > --Archangel Beth, Archangel of Archives Any word yet from the Council regarding my petition for the word of Continuity Tracking? - -- Casca, Seraph of Archives (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:33:54 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Falling >At 5:09 PM -0500 10/30/97, Jeff Miller wrote: >>>As such, the first time an Angel fails a Dissonance roll or draws a Demonic >>>Intervention, they Fall. >>> >>Is that a Demonic Intervention to the Dissonance roll or to any roll? I >>assume the former even though I read the sentence to say the later. > >Two Demonic Interventions (assuming that the angel is converting >to Discord ASAP) -- one to make him Outcast, and one to make him >Fall. And yes, only on the Dissonance roll, though of course a GM >could do other things within reason. (The Mercurian of Destiny >draws a bead on someone with the sniper gun -- he's only going >to shoot the thing out of someone's hand. He rolls 666. He hits >the fellow with the mega-Bright Destiny. Dead. The GM might be >able to rule that he Falls right there...) > I should not that Beth's answer here applies to standard IN (Outcast-Fallen) and not DV (go to Hell go directly to Hell do not pass Outcast do not collect 2 Essence). In DV, with Creation already half in the Nether Realms, only one Demonic Intervention is needed to Fall. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #455 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.