From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Nov 9 04:51:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA28602 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 04:51:18 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id EAA17573 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 04:25:08 -0600 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 04:25:08 -0600 Message-Id: <199711091025.EAA17573@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #463 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, November 9 1997 Volume 01 : Number 463 In this digest: IN> [DV] Unusual Creatures of the Apocalypse Re: IN> [DV] Unusual Creatures of the Apocalypse Re: IN> [DV] Unusual Creatures of the Apocalypse IN> Jimmy, Soldier of God Re: IN> [DV] Unusual Creatures of the Apocalypse Re: IN> About Shedim... Re: IN> About Shedim... IN> Since I've Already Unlurked Re: IN> About Shedim Re: IN> Gypsy Demons Re: IN> Since I've Already Unlurked IN> Balsy question Re: IN> Elohim Etymology Re: IN> Since I've Already Unlurked Re: IN> Gypsy Demons IN> Sacraments V-VII? Re: IN> Gypsy Demons ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 00:24:26 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: IN> [DV] Unusual Creatures of the Apocalypse (again, re-sent for the convenience of Archangel Beth- I owe her some major Geasa, but if she tries to call them in in the PBEM, she's gonna have a nasty Dissonance headache ^_-) * * * * * * Eastern Europe, Asia Minor, and the Ukraine are absolutely crawling with undead. What was Romania (Transylvania, to be exact) has more undead than living humans in it. In lesser numbers, the undead are spreading through all the other continents at an impressive rate. Saminga himself no longer makes undead, but his dukes and barons and other subordinates do, and more than ever before. Meanwhile, Vapula has released his own creations onto the Earth, a mixture of corporeal and celestial energies; resembling the fantasy monsters of dozens of cultures, like the chupacabra, the faun, and others. As a class, they can be called 'Jerseys' after the legendary Jersey Devil. JERSEY CORPOREAL FORCES - 3 (usually Str 4 Agi 8) ETHERIAL FORCES - 0 (Int 0 Pre 0) CELESTIAL FORCES - 2 (usually Will 5 Pre 3) (Charisma -3) (animal head) Songs: Numinous Corpus: Fangs, Horns, Tail, Feet, Tongue, WIngs (all at 4) Rite: Feed from the body of a human being they have slain (+1) Vicious as a rabid dog and dumb as a bag of hammers, Jerseys exist only to (pardon the pun) bedevil Mankind. When people live in cities, they stay away. When people live in small groups, they harass their livestock, eat their pets, and vandalize their property. When a person lives alone.... Jerseys are solitary beasts. Vapula never bothered to give them a mating instinct- they were bred via test-tubes- so the creatures tend to attack each other on sight. When not in 'attack mode', the creature looks like a pygmy human with an ugly animal head- horse, lizard, rabbit, dog, and goat being most popular. When in attack mode, however, the creature often blows all its limited store of Essence instinctively on Numinous Corpus songs, morphing into a creature capable of ripping a human into hash. A turn of events which Hell did -not- count on, but which it embraced, was the awakening from the depths of the oceans of the race of giant sea monster known in the Bible as Leviathan. LEVIATHAN CORPOREAL FORCES - 4 (Str 12, Agi 4) ETHERIAL FORCES - 1 (Int 2, Pre 2) CELESTIAL FORCES - 0 (Wil 0, Per 0) Some have described Leviathan as a giant squid, others as an armor-plated shark, others yet as a sea serpent. Whichever is the truth, what is known is that few ships have met the Leviathan and lived. Aircraft carriers and fishing boats alike have vanished beneath the waves, with the only clue being the silver-backed giant swimming off, leaving the life rafts and humans clinging to debris for smaller predators. It is unknown whether or not Leviathan actually feeds off its 'kills,' or if it is territorial in some way. It -is- known that it will not swim in waters less than 300 feet deep, and will not swim in enclosed seas like the Persian Gulf and Mediterranean. It does not swim the Gulf of Mexico, but visits the Carribean Sea now and again. It has sunk ships making the Murmansk run around Scandinavia and freighters sailing around the Cape of Good Hope. Aside from these tiny 'safe zones', however, there is no telling where, or when, the creature will strike... HIDEBEHIND Average stats (a Hidebehind always has at least 2 Corp Forces and 1 Celestial Force) CORPOREAL FORCES - 3 (Strength 2, Agility 10) ETHERIAL FORCES - 0 (Intelligence 0, Precision 0) CELESTIAL FORCES - 2 (Will 2, Perception 6) DISCORD: Obsession/2 (must hide behind and stalk people walking alone) RITE: Spend two hours hiding unseen behind a human or Celestial (+1) SONGS: Corporeal Motion/4 SKILLS: Tracking/4, Survival/6, Move Silently/6 Hidebehinds are a fairly pathetic predecessor to Jerseys in Vapula's experiments. He'd heard of these creatures and decided he wanted one... or two thousand, or some number, he forgets. Anyway, he cobbled Forces together and molded flesh and got a skinny woolen creature about eight feet tall with large claws, large feet (nine toes on the right foot, eight on the left- unless the hidebehind is left-handed, in which case the reverse is true) and a total lack of any courage at all, ESPECIALLY when it knows it has been seen. A Hidebehind is so afraid of being seen that -it takes a Soul Hit every time someone sees it!- It's scared to death of Jerseys- if you find a Hidebehind, there won't be any Jerseys around for about twenty miles in any direction. Celestials and humans terrify it almost as badly, but it has a compulsion to stand directly behind them- as close as an inch!- without touching. It does this -only- when these people are alone with nobody around, so nobody sees the giant fluffy pink thing with large terrified eyes flinching back from the person it's walking in step behind... You -can- look at a Hidebehind using a mirror- the Hidebehind just assumes you're looking at a different Hidebehind. Their intelligence is only rudimentary- the following is a sample of what you'd get from one if you used a Song of Tongues on them. "No, I see nothing, not want to see nothing, I'm a good hidebehind, notseen, not -see.- You not see me, yes? Don'tlook, notsee me!" (Presumably Hidebehinds can bear to be seen by other Hidebehinds... their numbers are growing...) There has been only one case of an agressive Hidebehind... a specimen with three Celestial Forces became infatuated with a blind person living alone in upstate Kentucky. When a group of bandits barged in, the creature actually - -charged- them, scaring them off before they realized just how ineffectual a combatant it was. All other Hidebehind sightings have been peaceful affairs. Still, when you get the forboding feeling something is standing *right behind you*, you might want to check that hand-mirror... not everything that hides behind you is a Hidebehind... There are many, many more unusual creatures, but since I'm a bit lazy I'll leave those to others if they want 'em. }:-{D Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 02:53:08 -0500 (EST) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Unusual Creatures of the Apocalypse On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > (again, re-sent for the convenience of Archangel Beth- I owe her some major > Geasa, but if she tries to call them in in the PBEM, she's gonna have a > nasty Dissonance headache ^_-) From now on, Archangel, please ask one of your servitors if he has the file you're looking for before pestering the poor writer. If it's at all worth saving, I keep it on my mailspool until I see it show up on your website. No sense in inconveniencing mortals when you've got willing servitors... ;:;) - -- Casca, Seraph of Archives with a packrat vessel (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 02:54:14 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Unusual Creatures of the Apocalypse >On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > >> (again, re-sent for the convenience of Archangel Beth- I owe her some major >> Geasa, but if she tries to call them in in the PBEM, she's gonna have a >> nasty Dissonance headache ^_-) > >>From now on, Archangel, please ask one of your servitors if he has the >file you're looking for before pestering the poor writer. If it's at all >worth saving, I keep it on my mailspool until I see it show up on your >website. > Um, Casca, this is entirely on -my- hook. Beth didn't ask for this. I just figured it got buried, and since I've gotten repeated requests from people for additional DV stuff not on the web section, I figured it wouldn't hurt to repost a slightly edited version. Let me repeat for those who might be confused; the only email Beth has asked me for in the past 48 hours has been for the DV PBEM game. Hm, now that I think of it, I should have tagged those two 'REPOST.' Stupid, stupid, stupid... Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 09:27:52 EST From: Neel Krishnaswami Subject: IN> Jimmy, Soldier of God An NPC, and the vignette that inspired him. - ---- Jimmy Williams, 8 year old human Soldier of Michael Corporeal Forces -- 2 Strength 3 Agility 5 Body Hits 6 Ethereal Forces -- 2 Intelligence 5 Precision 3 Mind Hits 10 Celestial Forces -- 2 Perception 4 Will 4 Soul Hits 8 Body: Status 1 (little kid) Skills: Fighting/1, Dodge/6, Climbing/2, Move Silently/2, Tactics/2, Knowledge(Science)/2 Songs: Thunder/6 Servitor Attunement: Howl "Discord": Ugly/2 Jimmy is a balanced starting character. Description: A short, pudgy little nerd wearing thick horn-rimmed glasses, and a perpetual scowl. His nose looks like it has been broken and healed badly, and he has a long scar across the left side of his face. His vocabulary is quite advanced for a kid his age, and his ability to come up with scathing comments is quite advanced for someone three times his age. *-*-*-*-* Jimmy had just finished when he heard a polite cough behind him. He turned around, and saw three really big guys with the bulges in their jackets that Mike had told him meant guns. But that was okay. Mike had shown him how to stop guys with guns. There was also the little guy in the black suit, which wasn't okay, because he was the demon. The little guy -- the demon -- stared with wide open eyes at the human. He talked quietly, like he was talking to himself. "An ugly little child has been the one thwarting the plans of the Pit? Humiliating, but yet this might prove my escape from the wrath of Kronos, for he would not credit such a tale from my rivals." The demon smiled a toothy grin, and waved a hand at his goons. "Waste the kid." One of the big guys started to reach for his coat, and then Jimmy screwed up his eyes and shouted the other way. There was a really loud not-noise and the goons flew like bowling pins. That was how Mike had shown him how to stop guys with guns. The demon moved so fast he blurred and picked up Jimmy by the back of his shirt. This was why the demon was a problem. The demon's eyes were red. Jimmy thought that being close enough to tell what color a demon's eyes were was a maybe little too close. So before the demon could rip out his still-beating heart or something gross like that, Jimmy shouted again. This time, it made a real noise. A really loud noise. The stunned demon dropped him. Jimmy hit the ground and darted between the demon's legs and out the door. As Jimmy raced down the hallway and out of the building, he heard the demon yelling at his goons. Demons can yell pretty loud, Jimmy thought. He could even hear the demon's shouts when he was outside, but that stopped pretty quickly, once the building blew up. - ---- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@alum.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 11:23:19 -0500 (EST) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Unusual Creatures of the Apocalypse On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > Um, Casca, this is entirely on -my- hook. Beth didn't ask for this. I just > figured it got buried, and since I've gotten repeated requests from people > for additional DV stuff not on the web section, I figured it wouldn't hurt > to repost a slightly edited version. Oh. My bad. Sorry about that. If it makes any difference, feel free to refer those folks who want reposts to me. > Hm, now that I think of it, I should have tagged those two 'REPOST.' Stupid, > stupid, stupid... Don't beat yourself up over it. - -- Casca (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:14:12 -0500 (EST) From: TBretz@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> About Shedim... In a message dated 97-11-05 01:00:48 EST, you write: << Wow... an In Nomine game run under the rules of NBA Basketball. Now _that_ is hard to imagine. >> (UNLURK) Nahh, just remember, "no harm, no dissonance". Or maybe, "no harm, no fall". Theron Houston, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:09:13 -0500 (EST) From: TBretz@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> About Shedim... In a message dated 97-11-05 01:00:48 EST, you write: << Wow... an In Nomine game run under the rules of NBA Basketball. Now _that_ is hard to imagine. >> (UNLURK) Nahh, just remember, "no harm, no dissonance". Or maybe, "no harm, no fall". Theron Houston, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:14:15 -0500 (EST) From: TBretz@aol.com Subject: IN> Since I've Already Unlurked This is, at best a trivial question, but one that keeps coming up, and I'm curious about the consensus opinion on this list. In short, is Kyriotate pronounced Kee-ree-oh-tayt or Kee-ree-oh-tah-tay. I favor the latter, as it sounds a bit more archaic. Theron Houston, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:28:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael C. Nutt" Subject: Re: IN> About Shedim >>BUT, when a Shedim just possesses another host while still in a human >>body; i.e., jumps into another mundane; is it visible? Does it cause a >>ripple? Basically, does the Shedim go celestial, THEN jump into a new >>host, or does he leap from host to host without actually being Celestial? >>If the former, does that mean it takes two actions, or one? > >Canon on that is in minor flux, but looks to be stabilizing as: >"A Shedite can 'jump' from one host to another without going >celestial in-between." More detail will be gone into in the >Infernal Player's Guide. (Since Kyrios can do it, it was >deemed that it was unfair to Shedim not to manage it.) Hey, that's just the price they pay for indefinitely long possessions and "full knowledge of their host's thoughts, feelings and memories" (IN, p. 151). They *aren't* Dark Kyrios, and looking for symmetry where it ought not be is unfair to anybody who has to *deal* with the damn things. Can we start making arguments for *Kyrios* to get the aforementioned neat stuff just because *Shedim* get it, and it isn't fair for it to not work both ways? >Whether they wind up celestial if they "bounce" off a strong- >Willed host, or not, is still in flux. I think it may be leaning >to "no, only if they went celestial for some daft reason of >their own," but don't quote me yet. (Yes, I know about p. 152. It >*IMPLIES STRONGLY* that Shedim must go celestial between hosts, >but does not *state* that. All it *states* is that the Shedite >*may* go celestial, at will, and may then look for another host. >It doesn't say he can't swap hosts without going celestial.) Hmmmm. Let me quote the section I'm thinking of, then. "The demon can leave his host at any time, manifesting in his celestial form, but must make a successful resonance roll to enter another vessel." (IN, p. 152) This doesn't seem to leave a lot of wiggle-room, to me. Especially when you consider that Shedim are specifically prohibited from posessing multiple hosts... Michael Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 12:16:17 -0600 From: tom timberlake Subject: Re: IN> Gypsy Demons Nathaniel Eliot wrote: > > > Folks, I need some input here... No, it's more an opinion... If > > you'd involve the gypsies with demons - which Demon Prince would > > suit them better?? > > That's kinda like asking what DP the Italians would serve. Gypsies > aren't the carefree wanderers they tend to be portrayed as. > > That said, the stereotypical gypsie fits Valefor to a T. I don't know, some of the love 'em and leave 'em heartbreakers, either male or female, might feel out of place with Valefor's crowd. Disney's Esmerelda would obviously be Bright, with some grey edges, probably in service to Janus or Blandine; but some of her less good-hearted [I know all my English teachers just dropped dead and immediately began spinning without benefit of a grave--"less good-hearted" indeed!] are probably in service to Andrealphus, knowingly and willingly, utilizing that Gypsy charm of theirs to lure others to their beds and thence, by slow degrees, to hell. tom t. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 17:24:40 -0200 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> Since I've Already Unlurked TBretz@aol.com wrote: > This is, at best a trivial question, but one that keeps coming up, and I'm > curious about the consensus opinion on this list. In short, is Kyriotate > pronounced Kee-ree-oh-tayt or Kee-ree-oh-tah-tay. I favor the latter, as it > sounds a bit more archaic. Theron, go to the digests - there had already been some discussion on that, involving almost every Band, Choir and Superior actualy... But as for me, I go with the latter as well... Andre, D.P. [p.s: How is 'Theron' pronounced??? ):-9] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:52:49 -0500 (EST) From: Pee Kitty Subject: IN> Balsy question When a Balseraph uses their Resonance successfully, the victim makes a Will roll. On a successful Will roll, they are immune to the Balsy for CD hours (if CD = 6, Balsy gets a note of Dissonance). On a failure, they believe 'em. What happens when the Resonance roll fails? This doesn't appear to be covered anywhere. The mechanics for all the other demons seem to suggest that a failed Resonance roll is treated as a successful resistance roll, but is that right? If the Balsy fails with a CD of 4, is the victim automatically immune to 'em for 4 hours? Does a CD of 6 generate dissonance? If not, then what *does* a failed roll mean? If nothing, then it doesn't seem like a big deal...the demon just tries again right away, and keeps trying until the roll is made. That seems a bit unfair... Anyone wanna give me the canonical answer? Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian (Married to Rev. Unibomber on 11/15/96 - be jealous ;) Meow! - -= Windows 95 =- A 32-bit patch for a 16-bit GUI shell running on top of an 8-bit operating system written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company who cannot stand 1 bit of competition. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 00:21:30 +0200 From: Ijon Tichy Subject: Re: IN> Elohim Etymology At 12:18 PM 10/31/97 -0600, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >> Yes and no. Elohim _does_ mean "Gods", and hence could refer to >> pagan gods and other _gods_. However, it isn't used to refer to >> angels, unless you mean _Elohiyim_ ("Godly"), in which case it >> can very well refer to angelic choirs. > >Okay, you are probably in a better position to check out the >original Hebrew than I am. Okay, here go some transliterations to English and a _literal_ translation to English. Let's see: > You might try looking up Psalms 8:5, which says, in the NIV translation, > >"You made him a little lower than the heavenly beings [or "than God"] > and crowned him with glory and honor." Indeed, "VA'TECHAS'REHOO ME'AT ME'ELOHIM" (and thou hadst made him a little less than God (Elohim). There's the word... Now, a widely-accepted (at least among Jewish scholars) pair of bible interpreters, Prof. A.S. Hartoum and Prof. M.D. Cassouto, agree that Elohim either refers to God, as is the literal sense, OR to "angels, the most divine beings". So, I guess Elohim can be used as angels after all. I wasn't aware of this interpretation of the word. >This sounds like they're dithering over how to translate "Elohim." >The KJV and Darby translations say "the angels," the RSV and NASB >say "God," and the YLT says "Godhead." Yes. I understand the KJV is the general world standard, is that correct? >Psalm 97:7,9 says "worship him, all you gods!" and "you are exalted >far above all gods" in the NIV. Once again, the KJV and Darby also >say "gods," as do the NASB, YLT, and RSV. Yes, again, this time a clear reference to pagan gods. In fact, I rely on a clearer case, in Psalm 95:3, (translated from the Hebrew): "great king over all gods". >These verses are comparing God to the pagan gods, while the previous >verse is not, so it will be interesting to see if they are using >the same word or not. Yes, "Elohim" on them all. Thanks for the pointers! - -- Ijon Tichy Sailing the 'net in the only e-mail: ijon@forum2.org Space Barrel known to man. Homepage: http://www.forum2.org/ijon MOO: VotSB, telnet://forum2.org:7777 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:14:23 -0500 (EST) From: TBretz@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Since I've Already Unlurked In a message dated 97-11-08 16:49:09 EST, you write: << Andre, D.P. [p.s: How is 'Theron' pronounced??? ):-9] >> Like Aaron with a "Th". It's apparently Greek, one of Actaeon's hounds or something. It'd probably make a decent name for a demon, come to think of it... Theron Houston, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 19:41:08 EST From: "PERRY M. LLOYD" Subject: Re: IN> Gypsy Demons On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Andre Ribeiro wrote: > Folks, I need some input here... No, it's more an opinion... > If you'd involve the gypsies with demons - which Demon Prince would > suit them better?? Dude, Val all the way. Ain't no saying otherwise. Valefor's got the theiving stuff going on, he's got the style thing going on, he's got the whole "wandering" thing going on, and he's got the whole Romantic Theives thing going on. He's _perfect_! - -Perry Perry M. Lloyd "Psychosis is like a pet; you gotta _nurture_ it." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 20:33:30 -0500 (EST) From: Casca Subject: IN> Sacraments V-VII? A while ago, a listmember began a series of NPC wordbound Angels based off the seven holy sacraments. I have only seen the first four. Is the author still on this lsit? If so, do you plan to finish the series? - -- Casca, Seraph of Archives (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 05:00:02 -0500 From: "Thomas Davidson" Subject: Re: IN> Gypsy Demons - ---------- > From: PERRY M. LLOYD > To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > Subject: Re: IN> Gypsy Demons > Date: Saturday, November 08, 1997 7:41 PM > > On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Andre Ribeiro wrote: > > > Folks, I need some input here... No, it's more an opinion... > > If you'd involve the gypsies with demons - which Demon Prince would > > suit them better?? > > Dude, Val all the way. Ain't no saying otherwise. Valefor's got the > theiving stuff going on, he's got the style thing going on, he's got the > whole "wandering" thing going on, and he's got the whole Romantic Theives > thing going on. He's _perfect_! > What Perry said. :-) When I first saw Novalis, I said, "Gee, she looks like Janis Joplin." When I saw Val, I said, "Gee, he looks like a gypsy. The clothes, the earrings, the 'tude. It fits, man." Works for me. :-) > > -Perry Thomas Davidson tdavidso@suffolk.lib.ny.us MUSIC: Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Rush, Jimi Hendrix GAMES: Champions (old and new), In Nomine, Nephilim TV: The X-Files, The Simpsons, Superman, The Tick, The Animaniacs OTHER: Religion, Philosophy, mysticism, the runes, the Tarot, writing ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #463 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.