From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Mar 19 10:50:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by deliverator.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22282; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:10:04 -0600 (CST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06999 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:13:21 -0600 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:13:21 -0600 Message-Id: <199703191613.KAA06999@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #79 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, March 19 1997 Volume 01 : Number 079 In this digest: Re: IN> IN + The Primal Order: RPing Superiors? IN> Prince of Media?? IN> Adventure Seed: The Loaded Mummy Re: IN> Angel of Music Re: IN> Angel of Music IN> A Glimpse Into Hatcher's Mind Re: IN> Angel of Music IN> Yet another inspiration thought!!!! Re: IN> A Glimpse Into Hatcher's Mind IN> Night Music Re: IN> Musical Words Re: IN> IN + The Primal Order: RPing Superiors? Re: IN> Fundamentalists IN> various suggestions... Re: IN> Yet another inspiration thought!!!! Re: IN> Angel of Music Re: IN> Musical Words Re: IN> Musical Words IN> New Angel (long) Re: IN> New Angel (long) Re: IN> New Angel (long) Re: IN> Fundamentalists (A brief history lesson) Re: IN> Angel of Music IN> Thought on Damage Re: IN> Angel of Music ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 03:45:41 -0600 (CST) From: fish Subject: Re: IN> IN + The Primal Order: RPing Superiors? On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Raven wrote: > So, does anyone on this list know any more about TPO? Yup. Basically TPO is as you described it, a capsystem to use over other games... I'm not sure it's really a great resource to an IN game, though, as it is primarily useful for roleplaying fantasy (pre-industrial) pantheistic religions. It was Wizards of the Coast's first book, and open to some dispute (over the conversion notes in the back of the book; Palladium had a fit and sued), and the quality is eh, although not bad for a first offering. Of course, this was all before they came up with Magic and stabbed the gaming industry in the back. Now WotC has dropped the line, along with all other roleplaying lines. Unlike Ars Magica (which Atlas picked up) and Everway (which I think some new startup company picked up) as far as I know nobody's really seen any interest in the licence... meaning that if you see a copy lying around, or any of the supplements (I have two, which I haven't really gotten a chance to look over yet -- they don't look as good as the main book, though -- sort of hashed out, not much original to say), it may well be the last time you're going to see that copy, or *any* copy. Actually... now that I think about it, it might be an interesting read in light of In Nomine. I haven't read it in a while, certainly not since IN came out, but it does have this power system (which they call Flux; readily analagous to Essence, though they get a lot more of it and it's a lot more powerful...), as well as an interesting heirarchical (i.e. ranked -- sorta like Superiors and Servitors) structure for gods and demigods and such. And they even sort of have a Word system. Huh. Interesting -- so maybe it'd be worth a quick scan, maybe you could plunder it for ideas if you were really interested in roleplaying inter-Superior squabbles or something, but I don't really think that it has much to add to the standard nine-Forces angelic campaign. -- fish. | Fish Flowers ><> | | (Malakite of Power Gaming.) (I don't exist.) (Fnord.) | | awflower@midway.uchicago.edu eidolon@io.com | | http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/awflower/index.html | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:14:17 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Frederick Subject: IN> Prince of Media?? Dear Joe (and List) **Bits clipped for Brevity** >Nybbas is probably >my fave Prince, being a prospective journalist... I can understand why Lucifer >would grant Nybbas a Princedom, but why over the Media in general? Didn't >anyone have a hand in perverting print and radio? If there were Demons of >Radio or Newspapers (or the Movies), wouldn't they be a bit cheesed off by >Lucifer's handing this upstart the whole package? Might be an adventure >seed there, uppity subordinates of Nybbas that are older than he >is, scheming to swipe his authority out from under him. **Bits clipped for Brevity** I would guess that previous things as you mention were the perview of Vapula as th8ings of Technology. It is maybe the newer manifestations of the world view of Media that Nybbas is in charge of. That "we make the news" and "we decide what you need to know" attitude that puts the pride of the individual above the good of the public. Thanking you for you indulgence. Yours Peter. Email to peterf@geko.net.au "Whoso loveth God truely must not expect to be loved by Him in return." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:24:59 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Frederick Subject: IN> Adventure Seed: The Loaded Mummy Dear List Recent posts about redeeming undead and the plotting of Demon Princes combined with a spare half hour at work to produce the following idea. Not really a single adventure, but an introduction for a two edged NPC. The Players are approached by Jean Miro a renegade undead, once a favoured servitor of Saminga. In his mortal life Miro was a scientist who worked on chemical and biological weapons for the French in the years before WW1, and was lured to Darkness by an offer of eternal life. Recently Miro has discovered that his immortality was intentionally flawed and has fled Saminga's service to try and find a cure for the flaw. He now believes that to achieve full corporeal immortality he must betray to death his original "recruiter", a Lillim of Saminga, and eat the heart of her vessel. Miro knows that he can attract the attention of Saminga and his previous experience suggests that Saminga will send the Lillim who recruited him to bring him back into the fold, or ensure that no one finds out he ever tried to leave it. Miro will offer to identify the Lillim, and any other demons or undead that Saminga sends after him, for the players if they will destroy them. Of course a still existing geas' will stop Miro from directly doing harm to any servant of Saminga. Miro also believes that eating the heart of the Lillim will make him immune to her geas' and will make it harder for Saminga to trace him, effectively breaking the chain between them by consuming the link above him. It is for individual Ref's to decide how accurate Miro's beliefs are. Options the players might consider - 1. Kill Miro immediately. His is a bad person, who has a diabolic career of over 7 decades, it isn't like he doesn't deserve it. - 2. Get Miro to decoy the Servitors of Saminga into a trap and then kill them and Miro. They are all Agents of Darkness after all. - 3. Help Miro with his plan and then run him out of town on a rail. If you are squeamish about killing someone who has turned to you for help, you still might not want the guy for a neighbour. - 4. Help Miro and keep an eye on him. Miro has a fair amount of experience working with the servitors of several Demon Princes, his knowledge could be useful in opposing them. Miro wouldn't mind hanging around, the Players have a nice city with all the amenities that he feels are necessary for a comfortable life. Miro will agree to advise the Players from his experiences as a diabolic agent, as long as they don't pester him too much, and just wants to settle down for a long while and read philosophy and biochemistry. He is unrepentant and isn't interested in redemption since, if the players have helped him, he has achieved corporeal immortality and therefore feels he doesn't need to worry about an afterlife. Suspicious players may feel that this is a trap, and it is, although not of Miro's making. A few years ago Miro's Lillim recruiter felt within him a deep need to betray her and decided to turn it to her advantage. After discussion with Saminga she let slip about the "flaw" in Miro's immortality. As they thought Miro fled and has gone from one place to the next turning up Renegades and minor Heavenly agents in his search for a cure for his "flawed" immortality. The Players are to be the jackpot. If they aren't dealt with directly then they will have revealed themselves and might just accept Miro into their circle, where he can later be turned against them. If the Players do deal with Saminga's Servitors and let Miro stay in their city it is likely to attract the attention of the Demon Prince of the Game as well as the ArchAngel of Judgement. And eventually Miro's old Master will be back to settle the score and cash in the investment he has made in placing Miro so carefully. Feel free to use and modify as you wish. Other Demon Princes work just as well, but I wanted to get Saminga into my campaign. Hope this lights a few ideas for everyone. Thanking you for your indulgence. Yours Peter. Email to peterf@geko.net.au "Whoso loveth God truely must not expect to be loved by Him in return." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:32:33 -0500 From: Hatcher Rhanyr Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Music Joseph R. Watt wrote: > > Patrick O'Duffy wrote: > > I dislike that idea becuase it's too subjective. Who's to say where > > you draw the line on 'nice' music and 'bad' music, when the effects are > > mainly in the listener. Joseph Watts wrote: > Okay... They don't actually have to favor different songs. They favor > different aspects. However, for bad music, read studies on the > correlation between certain types of music and drinking. When I first came up with the concept she was going to be it like Elizabeth stated...a servant of creation since music at it's fundimental root is about creation as is all forms of art. I envisioned that she prefers music without lyrics but the sound of the human voice can be just as beautiful if the proper message is conveyed. - --As far as my personal tastes are I like all forms of music....one day I might be listening to Jazz, the next day heavy/thrash metal. However I felt there were certain ideals that an "angel" would not approve of. :) Hatcher Rhanyr - -- ************************************** _< >_ * Hatcher Rhanyr * / \0/ \ * "The Angel of Bright Shiney Teeth" * /_/| |\_\ * * / \ ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:40:21 +0000 () From: "David.Evans" Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Music Hatcher Rhanyr said that:- > > --As far as my personal tastes are I like all forms of music....one day > I might be listening to Jazz, the next day heavy/thrash metal. However I > felt there were certain ideals that an "angel" would not approve of. > :) > No. No, no, no, no, no (IMHO :). Just because you're an angel, that doesn't mean you don't, or *can't*, like thrash metal, "Oh Fortuna" from "Carmina Burana" by Carl Orff (just because of the libretto), any song with the word "fuck" in it, or Animaniacs songs, as some examples. :-) Now if you were to find out that an artrist's work was being "back masked" with a seasoning of demonic subliminal messages, then that's quite another story. Hmmm, I can feel an adventure seed coming on... Be seeing you... David. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:19:18 -0500 From: Hatcher Rhanyr Subject: IN> A Glimpse Into Hatcher's Mind Pretty scary thought huh!!!! But anyways...here's a few more thoughts to spice up the game. #1- For those X-files fans have you ever thought about the connection between "Cancer/Cigarette Smoking Man" and Lucifer? On a collectors edition of some of the X-files the creator of the show [can't think of his name] when was asked by a fan if the Cancer man will ever die he responded "You can't kill the devil"....interesting don't you think. #2- I thought about another word-bound NPC...how bout the Demon of Paranoia? I'll work on this guy and post him later...some suggestions might be helpful. Hatcher Rhanyr "The Truth Is Out There" ************************************** _< >_ * Hatcher Rhanyr * / \0/ \ * "The Angel of Bright Shiney Teeth" * /_/| |\_\ * * / \ ************************************** - -- ************************************** _< >_ * Hatcher Rhanyr * / \0/ \ * "The Angel of Bright Shiney Teeth" * /_/| |\_\ * * / \ ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:24:52 -0500 From: Hatcher Rhanyr Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Music David.Evans wrote: > No. No, no, no, no, no (IMHO :). Just because you're an angel, that > doesn't mean you don't, or *can't*, like thrash metal, "Oh Fortuna" from > "Carmina Burana" by Carl Orff (just because of the libretto), any song > with the word "fuck" in it, or Animaniacs songs, as some examples. :-) > Now if you were to find out that an artrist's work was being "back > masked" with a seasoning of demonic subliminal messages, then that's > quite another story. Hmmm, I can feel an adventure seed coming on... > Cool.... From my perspective I was coming from that if there was a Demon of Heavy Metal then she wouldn't necessarily approve but I see your point...she probably would see it more as liking all music but not those songs/groups that are under the control of Diabolicals (i.e. playing the record in reverse and hearing "Kill Tipper Gore") hehehehehe :) Hatcher Rhanyr "The Demon of Tormenting Role-Players" ************************************************************************ "What do you mean my character has been changed into a knewt????"-player "Well he's a cute looking newt that can talk!"-Hatcher ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:29:14 -0500 From: Hatcher Rhanyr Subject: IN> Yet another inspiration thought!!!! OOOOH This is a cool idea!!!!! Angel of Role-Playing Games--Servator of Eli working for Foucault now?? I'll work on this one...some ideas might be helpful. Hatcher "The Demon of Tormenting Role-Players" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:20:14 GMT From: janowack@mtu.edu (Joshua 'A' Nowack) Subject: Re: IN> A Glimpse Into Hatcher's Mind On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:19:18 -0500, you wrote: >Pretty scary thought huh!!!! >But anyways...here's a few more thoughts to spice up the game. > >#1- For those X-files fans have you ever thought about the connection >between "Cancer/Cigarette Smoking Man" and Lucifer? On a collectors >edition of some of the X-files the creator of the show [can't think of the creator's name is Chris Carter. He is the same person who did Millennium, also on FOX. Check it out....all about gehenist cults and serial murderers... >his name] when was asked by a fan if the Cancer man will ever die he >responded "You can't kill the devil"....interesting don't you think. > >#2- I thought about another word-bound NPC...how bout the Demon of >Paranoia? I'll work on this guy and post him later...some suggestions >might be helpful. > >Hatcher Rhanyr >"The Truth Is Out There" > >************************************** _< >_ >* Hatcher Rhanyr * / \0/ \ >* "The Angel of Bright Shiney Teeth" * /_/| |\_\ >* * / \ >************************************** >-- >************************************** _< >_ >* Hatcher Rhanyr * / \0/ \ >* "The Angel of Bright Shiney Teeth" * /_/| |\_\ >* * / \ >************************************** > - ------------------------------------ Joshua 'A' Nowack janowack@mtu.edu DHH 203 (906)487-0280 Murphy's, Inc. - --Whatever can happen, will happen. - ------------------------------------ Deny Everthing Trust No One and remember The Truth is Out There ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:10:58 -0600 From: dpearcy@io.com (Derek Patton Pearcy) Subject: IN> Night Music Someone wrote: >Night Music's supposed to include a very stressed-out Angel of >Teenage Suicide. Actually, Druiel is the angel of Teenage Death. He wishes his Word was merely Teenage Suicide, it'd make his job a lot easier. >Say, does Derek still read the list? I still get the digests, but I skim them. Derek ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:19:07 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Emord Subject: Re: IN> Musical Words On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Bodhi wrote: > Well, now it is finally settled. Moriah is definitely a Diabolical. > Nobody even remotely understanding the Idealistic concepts of > Truth, Beauty and Goodness could say something like this ;-) > > Beware, my friends. Beware!!! > Are you trying to say that Diabolicals are BAD!?!?!?! I take that as personal injury...;) Brian Emord Balseraph of Asmodeus Whose word is Daniel Webster - --* BEGIN GEEKCODE BLOCK *-- GCS/E d(+)>++ s+:+ a? C+++(++++)$ UBLAHS++$ P+++$ L++ E W++ N o K++ w O++ M-->--- V-- PS(++) PE(+)(-) Y+ PGP- t+@ 5+@ X R+(+++)* tv b++>+++ DI+++$ D G++ e(*)>++++ h+(*) r++>+++ y+ - --* END GEEKCODE BLOCK *-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:23:12 -0500 (EST) From: Gregory Littmann Subject: Re: IN> IN + The Primal Order: RPing Superiors? On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Raven wrote: > > So, does anyone on this list know any more about TPO? If so, I'd love it > if you would share your knowledge, either on the list if it's relevant > (especially to this thread), or in private email if not. Also, any web > pages you know about that have information on or for TPO I'd love to hear > about. > > I have never had a look at TPO, so this is all heresay - but a review that I read said that GURPS: Relgion does exactly what TPO does only much, much better. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:35:22 -0500 (EST) From: Gregory Littmann Subject: Re: IN> Fundamentalists On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Thany wrote: > > > Whose side are THEY really on, anyway? What makes them interesting is that they really are on God's side (which is quite compatible with them being a tool of the other side). Think fundamentalists do more harm than good? Now consider fundamentalist *angels*! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:47:13 -0600 (CST) From: "The Incredibly Unremarkable Cliffy Q. Scrimshaw" Subject: IN> various suggestions... First of all, I have been on the list for a while, but haven't said much of anything from time constraints, and also because my local store doesn't have the book yet (gotta check again today...) Suggestion for Angel of Generosity: name him Matthias ("Gift of God") If there isn't an Archangel of Art, maybe there should be; Angels of Music, Sculpture, and Painting would be under him, with their own minions. (Angel of Classical Music, Angel of Murals, etc.) Another suggestion for the name problem (duplicate names) how about this: the short name they go by most of the time is more of a nickname, name of their first Vessel, or something. Each angel has a unique name or identifier in the language of heaven (which is used in Hell, in a twisted, slangified version). This solves the duplicate names problem and makes everyone unique, but several of them may like or have the same short name. As a Christian, I read the earlier debates about religion, the Bible, etc. with some interest. As long as these things stay civilized and nobody tries to force someone else to say "you're right, I'm wrong" and settles for "I see your point", we'll be fine. Another side note: I plan to run IN here in Winona, MN, a town of about 20k. This town is #1 in at least the state, possibly the midwest or even the lower 48 in CHURCHES PER CAPITA. LaCrosse is (I think) #1 for BARS PER CAPITA. Winona will be the base for this area for the Angels, possibly LaCrosse has more Diabolicals (lots more gang problems lately, too many bars, Coon Creek Canoe race riots, etc.). LaCrosse is about 50k, with very very nearby Onalaska another 20k or so. Is a dozen or so celestials and a couple tethers too much? From winona, they will probably help out in other nearby towns (<1hr drive to lots of small towns), which will spread them out a bit. don't know what sort of Angel I'd be, but probably Cherub of somebody-or-other. "Life is like a yo-yo: .-. it has its ups and downs, __ __| | plus a few loops now & then." \ V / (() --Matt, a.k.a. CliffyQS@Earthling.net |_| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:54:13 -0500 (EST) From: IQJason@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Yet another inspiration thought!!!! Hatcher: "OOOOH This is a cool idea!!!!! Angel of Role-Playing Games--Servator of Eli working for Foucault now??" Okay...I'll pass along my thoughts on this one (only 'cause I've been working on it since the game was released. :)) There are two celestials affecting the gaming community: The Angel of Theatre (a Kyriotate in service to Eli) and the Demon of Wargames. (A Shedite in service to Baal. Why? Because if you can visualize combat in terms of numbers and chits rather than real people dying, you become desensitized to the horror of war.) Roleplaying games were originally the Shedite's purview, what with the slaughter of faceless NPCs and characters interested only in the gathering of gold and XPs, which you got from killing. It's only recently that the Angel has discovered the "role" aspect, and taken an interest...hence the spate of games that emphasize the character over the statistics. This, of course, means that all the people who called D&D "satanic" in the 80's weren't all that wrong. Who knew? ;) yours, Balseraph of Nybbas whose word is Game Review, - -j ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:54:40 -0500 (EST) From: Gregory Littmann Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Music On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Shawn Goldman wrote: > > I thought you said that he was the demon prince of rock and roll but he > was losing power and had a plant to regain it > Hm. That sounds more like the demon prince of reggae to me - "You don' like reggae? Can I introduce you to this plant?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:03:17 -0500 (EST) From: IQJason@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Musical Words Moriah wrote... > We all know who is bound to 'Music' -- it is Barry Manilow. He *is* Music > and he writes the Songs. Except, of course, for that one. True story. yours, (would you believe I was raised listening to Barry? says something.) - -j ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:14:19 -0600 (CST) From: "The Incredibly Unremarkable Cliffy Q. Scrimshaw" Subject: Re: IN> Musical Words On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 IQJason@aol.com wrote: > Moriah wrote... > > > We all know who is bound to 'Music' -- it is Barry Manilow. He *is* > Music > > and he writes the Songs. > > Except, of course, for that one. True story. yup.. perhaps the Demon Prince of Music or just a great liar obscured that story.. but the Seraphs got back at him/them by putting it in almost every music trivia book and on radio stations, etc. heh. > yours, (would you believe I was raised listening to Barry? says something.) > -j what it says depends on how you turned out... "Life is like a yo-yo: .-. it has its ups and downs, __ __| | plus a few loops now & then." \ V / (() --Matt, a.k.a. CliffyQS@Earthling.net |_| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 16:23 CET From: Marco Lambert Subject: IN> New Angel (long) Hello again, here I have now a Angel, who looses ground as his word is more and more shuned. Also he may be on the way to falling down. It is Torquemada the Angel of the Holy Inquisition I hope you can enjoy him besides my bad english, and again everybody is free to use him for whatever purpose you have. DISCLAIMER: I by no way see any of the inquisitory actions as good. They were crimes against people with a different believe. But in IN there is a holy war going on and maybe that justifies even some torture. Bye for now and every comment welcome, tschuess , Marco. TORQUEMADA, Angel of the Holy Inquisition. History: Torquemada startet early to work as a Seraphim of Dominik. He like his master become fond of christianity from the early years on. Soon they both realized that heretics could be a real danger to the on these days omnipotent Roman Church. To counter this danger they invented the inquisition and founded the monastic order of the Dominicanians (often called „domini canes“ or dogs of the Lord). Right from the beginning Torquemada asisstet the inquisitors and recruited Soldiers out of them, mostly from the priests and monks. He especially was eager to root out the demonic Forces in between of the believers and he suspected possesions everywhere. He therefore created an attunement for his word, which he gave also to trusted soldiers. It allows to exorcise demon out of human bodys bye a little use of force and pain. In later years other angels asked him how he could allow torture. He answered that at first in that time torture was a legal form of survey used also by any other mundane court. Second he admits that the practice of torture did a little bit get out of control, after not only the soldiers but nearly every inquisitor started to use it. But most of them were sincere follower of the church and not some lunatic sadists, which the propaganda of the other side want to point out. But what with the dissonance of the follower of Dominik to be just ? Well, why do you think they call them the seven DEADLY sins ? In his opinion every mortal responsible for his dooings which does not sincerely regrets and does penance has to be punished by the full strength of the law, for not serving as a bad example. So the death is fully acceptable for these sinners. He also admits that in the modern days he works more with psychology than with the torture but not because of insight but because of necessity. But nevertheless, as the church and more so the inquisition looses ground also does Torquemada and his view of the world. With time passing by his word lost influence in mortals and also did he lost status in heaven. Over the years he collected also some discord and at the moment he is on a very critical position. If he want not to fall out of grace, he has to do some work with himself and his word. If not .... Dominik does not allow the corruption of any angel remaining,even in his long time friend and trusted servant. Torquemada: Seraphim of Judgement Forces: 13 : 3 corp , 5 each etheral and celestial STR 6 , AGI 6 , INT 10 , PRE 10 , WIL 11 , PER 9 He has a Vessel/6 with the role of a superior of the dominicanians (Status/5) with some connections to the sanctum officium (Holy office... of inquisition) or now congregatio fidei (congregatio of the believe). He has three levels charisma of a respect commanding nature. He is a skinny and large old man with some hawkish features and piercing eyes. Think of Peter Cushing (Played Grand Moff Tarkin in Star Wars !) Skills: Medicin/4 (helping after the confession) , Torture/6 , Psychology/6 , Detect Lies/6 , Intimidation/5 , Singing/3 (monastic choirs are so beautyfull) , Emote/3 (just to suppress feelings to be seen) , Knowledge/5 (regarding everything to know about church law, exorcism , heretics and so on) Songs: Charm(eth)/2 , (cel)/5 , Healing(cor)/3 , (eth)/2 (both to help the victims after the exorcism) , Tongues(cor)/4 , (eth)/3 , (cel)/2 Discord: Unfeeling/5 (does not care about the pain and suffering of mere mortals as long he believes them guilty) , Zealous/2 (does not ask himself about the rightness of his actions, is very obedient following commands from a superior) He is Vassal of Conscience , Friend of Judgement , Master of Law Attunements : Incarnate Law , Heavenly Judgement , Seraphim of Judgement , Ofanim of Judgement , Elohim of Judgement He created also the following attunement: EXORCISM: The suspected Celestial has to be enchained so that he cannot move. Then some kind of force has to be used. Now a contest of Will is roled with some modifiers noted below. The difference how the role was made is added to the check digit and the higher Sum of CD and difference wins. If the inquisitor wins the captured celestial has to leave immediately the vessel and is prohibited to enter it ever again. If the victim wins he can never again be exorcised by this inquisitor. Bonuses for the inquisitor: Check digit of a torture role OR halve the CD (round up) of a intimidation role , bonuses for tacking extra time Bonuses for both: +2 for every point of essence spent Bonuses for the victim: +3 if he is from the same side ( two angels or two demons) , +1 for each of the Shield songs you know Problems: this attunement works on both kinds of celestials and can be learned by humans and demons , today it is very difficult to perform this attunement whithout some mundane problems as police, disturbed neighbours, curious children, tabloid journalists and so on. Also you get the eternal enimity of Sunya Archangel of compassion if you use it to much (GM’s ruling). Some Dissonance also is possible. ________________________________________________________________ Marco Lambert (Dipl.-Phys.) * Universitaet Kaiserslautern * Email:lambert@rhrk.uni-kl.de Fachbereich Elektrotechnik * Tel.:(+49) 631/205-3354 Lehrstuhl fuer Mikroelektronik * Fax.:(+49) 631/205-3616 Postfach 3049 * D-67653 Kaiserslautern * Geb.: 12 Raum:262 Germany * ________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:40:13 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Emord Subject: Re: IN> New Angel (long) Well I think I have found my first angel of Dominic that I like... the only things that will change as he enters my campaign are: Medicine: this will be omitted as he will take the churches older view that once they confess they were guilty of such a DEADLY sin, they were well put to death, who cares about broken ribs if he is just going to be strung up. Healing: Ethereal will stay ("Wake up damn it, you haven't confessed yet"), but corporeal will have to go, once someone recants and confesses, he gets the proper absolution and is sent to spend time with God...hehehe Again this is just my changes of how I see him fitting into my campaign, by and large this is a pretty nice angel (I am a bold enough Diabolical that I can see when the other side has a respectable force) and he will have a nice home... thanks for the contribution...;) Brian Emord Lilim of Nybbas Whose word is "Shower Scenes" - --* BEGIN GEEKCODE BLOCK *-- GCS/E d(+)>++ s+:+ a? C+++(++++)$ UBLAHS++$ P+++$ L++ E W++ N o K++ w O++ M-->--- V-- PS(++) PE(+)(-) Y+ PGP- t+@ 5+@ X R+(+++)* tv b++>+++ DI+++$ D G++ e(*)>++++ h+(*) r++>+++ y+ - --* END GEEKCODE BLOCK *-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:43:19 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Emord Subject: Re: IN> New Angel (long) Well I think I have found my first angel of Dominic that I like... the only things that will change as he enters my campaign are: Medicine: this will be omitted as he will take the churches older view that once they confess they were guilty of such a DEADLY sin, they were well put to death, who cares about broken ribs if he is just going to be strung up. Healing: Ethereal will stay ("Wake up damn it, you haven't confessed yet"), but corporeal will have to go, once someone recants and confesses, he gets the proper absolution and is sent to spend time with God...hehehe Again this is just my changes of how I see him fitting into my campaign, by and large this is a pretty nice angel (I am a bold enough Diabolical that I can see when the other side has a respectable force) and he will have a nice home here among good friends... hehehe Brian Emord Lilim of Nybbas Whose word is "Shower Scenes" - --* BEGIN GEEKCODE BLOCK *-- GCS/E d(+)>++ s+:+ a? C+++(++++)$ UBLAHS++$ P+++$ L++ E W++ N o K++ w O++ M-->--- V-- PS(++) PE(+)(-) Y+ PGP- t+@ 5+@ X R+(+++)* tv b++>+++ DI+++$ D G++ e(*)>++++ h+(*) r++>+++ y+ - --* END GEEKCODE BLOCK *-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:50:28 -0600 From: Drew Johnson Subject: Re: IN> Fundamentalists (A brief history lesson) On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:14:14 -0600 (CST) Thany wrote: > > Whose side are THEY really on, anyway? > Personally, I don't think either side is willing to claim responsibility > for them, but both report them as a great success. For those who are doing a bit of realistic game-playing, here's a bit of information on that which is called the Fundamentalist movement. Early this century, a rather renowned Protestant preacher (the name escapes me at the moment) wrote a series of pamphlets that 'returned to a more literalist, Bible-based theology than the liberal experimentation that was prevalent during those years by some of the mainline churches.' The pamphlets were called "The Fundamentals" and set off what is called in certain evangelical terms a revival. Many, many people rallied around this return to what they believed to be a more accurate interpretation of Biblical thought. The modern Evangelical movement sprang up from this particular time period in church. There are many in the Evangelical community who are enamored of the term "Fundamentalist" not due to its present usage but rather from what it used to mean... The term Evangelical (also bandied about at the time) was essentially a word for the more socially-liberal off-shoots of Fundamentalism. Once again, _many_ people who have identified themselves as evangelical use it in this way (Tony Campolo, a noted liberal Christian speaker, wrote a rather excellent article on this particular term; Sojourners Magazine on-line might have it somewhere) Sometime later, a lot of the Fundamentalists began to see the world around them as something simply too sick and too sinful for them to be an active part in it and subsequently dumped their heads into the sand for about half of a century. They created Christian colleges such as Wheaton, their own youth leagues (such as AWANA - an unusual variation of Boy Scouts), and generally created the Fundamentalist/Evangelical sub-culture. An important caveat is the Jesus Freak movement during the late 60s and early 70s, where thousands of the young adults of that time period mixed the hippie sub-culture into the rather conservative Fundamentalism of the time. (Send me e-mail if you want more on this facet...) This sub-culture came out of their self-imposed closet around 1978, when they realized that Jimmy Carter was not doing for them what they thought was right for the country. They suddenly started caring a hell of a lot and started actively supporting the Republicans, whose social policies were much more in line with this rather frightened mass of people than the Peanut Farmer from Georgia. From a theological standpoint, the Fundamentalists (as we see them today) are biblically fairly sound, but have lost much of the social gospel that drove earlier generations of Christians. Similarly, many liberal Evangelicals (remnants of the push in the first half of the century) have kept their roots in the socially conscious, often (Biblically conservative critics would say) at the loss of their footing in theological issues. To my eyes as someone who tries to bridge those two extremes in my own life, I'd say that, in game terms, it would be wholly accurate to see either side (and I do not mean to be stereotypical, though I have certainly met a good number of both of these extremes) as precious to God and his forces, as well as a constant source of delight and challenge for them wacky Princes. An excellent sourcebook for understanding the Fundamentalist movement - should you want more - is _Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory_, a rather anecdotal but well-researched book by an Evangelical ex-patriate. Also, take a look at www.ari.net/sojourners for a good look at a group that attempts to bridge gaps between the Christian Right and the Christian Left. For a much lighter, satirical look at such things, find a copy of _The Door_, the only satire magazine written by, for, and about the foibles of the Evangelical and Christian sub-cultures. If you can find it, another good one in this vein is the Collected Writings of St. Hereticus, who would've given old Wormtongue (of C S Lewis fame) a run for his money in theological misdirection. Hope this helps...and I hope I'm not coming on too heavy. I just thought I'd give some background on what you're chatting on... - -----[O O O]---------- Drew Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:52:58 -0500 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Music On Mar 18, 7:51pm, fish wrote: > Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Music > On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Joseph R. Watt wrote: > > > > I dislike that idea becuase it's too subjective. Who's to say where > > > you draw the line on 'nice' music and 'bad' music, when the effects are > > > mainly in the listener. > > > > Okay... They don't actually have to favor different songs. They favor > > different aspects. However, for bad music, read studies on the > > correlation between certain types of music and drinking. > > "Goooo to chuuuuurch! Saaaay your praaayers! Tithe! Tithe!" Speaking of songs, has anyone heard 'The Vatican Rag' by the inspired and talented Tom Lehrer? It's absolutely a riot! - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:08:40 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Emord Subject: IN> Thought on Damage I have noticed that there is an extraordinary connection between pain and unconsciuosness. I have also noticed that IN gives unconsciousness to those who take Eth hits. I remember seeing someone who was asking about damage causing drawbacks to a hurt person, well what about after each x% of corp dmg a person (not a celestial) takes they take one (or more) mental hits... I think this is not unreasonable... I was thinking about this when I was replying to the thought on the INQ angel... hrmm, suddenly Eth Healing becomes marginally important... once again this is merely a suggestion and if those above (or below???) have a problem with it, or if you don't like it... C'est la vie. unfortunately I am not too sure about the above x% thing, any suggestions would be nice...:) Brian Emord Lilim of Nybbas Whose word is "Shower Scenes" - --* BEGIN GEEKCODE BLOCK *-- GCS/E d(+)>++ s+:+ a? C+++(++++)$ UBLAHS++$ P+++$ L++ E W++ N o K++ w O++ M-->--- V-- PS(++) PE(+)(-) Y+ PGP- t+@ 5+@ X R+(+++)* tv b++>+++ DI+++$ D G++ e(*)>++++ h+(*) r++>+++ y+ - --* END GEEKCODE BLOCK *-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:09:17 -0500 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Music On Mar 19, 8:24am, Hatcher Rhanyr wrote: > Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Music > David.Evans wrote: > > From my perspective I was coming from that if there was a Demon of Heavy > Metal then she wouldn't necessarily approve but I see your point...she > probably would see it more as liking all music but not those > songs/groups that are under the control of Diabolicals (i.e. playing the > record in reverse and hearing "Kill Tipper Gore") > hehehehehe :) This is a _bad_ idea? ;) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #79 ****************************** The material here is (C) 1996 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. 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