From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Apr 3 15:43:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by deliverator.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02370; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:52:41 -0600 (CST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA04277 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:55:57 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:55:57 -0600 Message-Id: <199704031955.NAA04277@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #102 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, April 3 1997 Volume 01 : Number 102 In this digest: Re: IN> Heirarchies Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #100 IN> Kryiotate Questions. IN> Memnoch the Devil [none] IN> Alu-Fiends [was Cain's mom ]-[was Alu-Fiends] Re: IN> The Wandering Jew(s) IN> "Eden Bower" by Dante Gabriel Rosetti Re: IN> Dross and Gold IN> Principalities IN> Yet another frightening glimspe into Hatcher's mind Re: IN> The nature of the Celestial Re: IN> Kryiotate Questions. [none] IN> The wandering Roman Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #100 Re: IN> Yet another frightening glimspe into Hatcher's mind Re: IN> The wandering Roman Does this joke work??? Re: IN> Principalities Re: IN> The wandering Roman Re: IN> Yet another frightening glimspe into Hatcher's mind Re: IN> Stomp out Dross Re: IN> Stomp out Dross Re: IN> Adversarial Campaigns Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #100 IN> IN Nomine Bestiary IN> Friday the 13th (The series) Re: IN> Kryiotate Questions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 08:58:22 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> Heirarchies On Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:58:00 +0000, "Bodhi" wrote: >Okay, so the question is, does a Seneschal have the same Word as the >Superior, or is their individual Word simply a sub-Word of the >Archangel's? It's their Word: "Seneschals are generally Word-bound to their Tethers." With that Word, they get clairvoyance about the status of the Tether, the ability to remove Dissonance, etc. (Page 59, though I'm interpreting and extrapolating.) >Thus, you're describing a series of Seneschal's, each representing >the Word Justice in various Corporeal locations, with their own >heirarchy relating to the total geographic Area covered. > >I was thinking that each Seneschal was Word-Bound to their own >Individual Word, not to the exact same word as the Archangel. > >Thus, the Soho Seneschal might be word-bound to "Fairness", the >Seneschal for London Total might be word-bound to "Equity", etc. As above, "Seneschals are generally Word-bound to their Tethers," so my thinking is that the Seneschal's Word is at least implicitly geographic, generally. However, Seneschal words might vary depending on local conditions, for instance, the Seneschal of Japan for Laurence could have the Word "Katana," reflecting Japanese sword tradition. Seneschals could have different agendas and Words than their superior Archangel, but they probably better take care of their Archangel's Word as well as their own! >Hmm... seems like we really need some more guidance as to how Words >work, no? I dunno. Why can't they work many ways? Despite my thinking that the bulk of angels are grouped geographically, I expect some angels float and aren't supervised by any Seneschal, though they probably better keep in touch with local Seneschals. For example, Michael might have a Master (or Ambassador) of Counter-Terrorism; Counter-Terrorism would be his Word and his job world-wide, though he usually would need to coordinate with local forces under a Seneschal. With few ways to detect whether distubances are angelic or demonic, coordination is crucial if you don't want to get nailed by your own side. In a way, becoming a Seneschal is the easy way up the hierarchy. If you do a good job taking care of your area, you get promoted; pretty routine. But if you want a Word that can make you an Archangel, you've got to go beyond geographic boundaries. Perhaps the Seneschal with the Word Katana is using a certain TV show to try to expand his Word beyond Japan. :) He might sponser angels or soldiers to open dojos outside Japan. Laurence probably doesn't mind as long as the Seneschal isn't distracted from his primary duty of hunting demons, primarily in Japan. Laurence knows that if he follows Uriel, an Archangel of Katana may be created; but Laurence is certain that won't happen. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:08:35 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Frederick Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #100 At 11:49 PM 2/4/97 -0600, you wrote: >> Ah well... call me crazy, but I don't watch Babylon 5. In fact, I've hardly >> watched *any* TV since they canceled Quantum Leap. Quantum Leap.... *sigh*... > > Hehe. It could be translated to IN quite easily; **Snipped for brevity** What about Babylon5?? I have a bad habit of interpreting everything acording to the latest game I am trying to run, but isn't Babylon5 In Nomine Sci-Fi version?? Anyone who has seen any let me know what you think?? Thanking you for your indulgence. Yours Peter. Email to peterf@geko.net.au "Whoso loveth God truely must not expect to be loved by Him in return." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:17:30 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Frederick Subject: IN> Kryiotate Questions. Dear List A starting Kryiotate player can possess 9 forces of beings. If he has 3 forces free he _may_ manifest his celestial form and stun on lookers. Where is the rest of him if he hasn't possessed his full quota of beings and hasn't manifested his celestial form? Where is he if he is on the corporeal plane, but hasn't possessed any beings? How fast does he move on the corporeal plane if he hasn't possessed any beings? Can he move in any direction, ie fly? How may he be sensed, especially if he hasn't manifested his celestial form? Is his movement stopped by material objects? How close does he have to be to possess someone? Thanking you for your indulgence. Yours Peter. Email to peterf@geko.net.au "Whoso loveth God truely must not expect to be loved by Him in return." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:30:55 +1100 From: jumpshot@onaustralia.com.au (Davies) Subject: IN> Memnoch the Devil By the way... has anyone on the lsit read Memnoch the Devil by Anne Rice? This book is brilliant and should be a must read for anyone that finds the In Nomine background as fascinating as I do. Many elements of the philosophies put forward in the book are very IN in nature, although the good/evil thing is not quite so clean cut... Sabbatt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:30:45 +1100 From: jumpshot@onaustralia.com.au (Davies) Subject: [none] Davies wrote: >> ...If you want Cains father to be the Captain from Gilligans >> Island, I'm sure you can justify it some how. It is a game after >> all. the writtten word does not have to the TRUTH in your campaign. > Actually, he was always called 'Skipper', in my limited reccollection. What, so does this mean I'm gonna get flamed now for my heretical and unconventinal views of Gilligan's Island? :) Is a Doctor of Giliganistic Studies form the Modern American Institue of Bad SitCom gonna put me right on this... :) Sabbatt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 07:29:39 -0500 From: Hatcher Rhanyr Subject: IN> Alu-Fiends [was Cain's mom ]-[was Alu-Fiends] Just an interesting comment.... I was looking through the Dictionary of Angels by Davidson and came across something interesting. According to it one of the names of Lilith was Alu....since supposedly alu-fiends are the result of a mating between a "demonic" mother and human father wouldn't that suggest that the children of Lilith be Alu-fiends. Any comments? Hatcher ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 07:33:28 -0500 (EST) From: Caliban Subject: Re: IN> The Wandering Jew(s) Shadowcat wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Bodhi wrote: > > I like the first one. He was very intersting. There was no > defimation ment, and if there was any taken then it is a pity. I have a > coulpe Jewish friends who I used to get in discussions of the Wandering > Jew with, and they thought he was an insperation, rather then a bane. If > you want an interesting look at him check out the books "Cronicle for > Libowitz", and "The Sybil." Sorry to say I can not remember the author of > either. If anyone knows please let me know. > _A Canticle for Leibowitz_ is by Walter M. Miller, Jr., and I'm afraid I've never heard of _The Sybil_. - -- Caliban caliban@gate.net ENTJ/9w1 "Whoever dies with the most skills wins." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 09:16:32 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> "Eden Bower" by Dante Gabriel Rosetti Since I have received two requests for "Eden Bower," I will venture to post it. As I remarked earlier, in it, we see Lilith furious at being replaced by Eve, planning to revenge herself by becoming the serpent that tempts Eve and Adam to sin. Earl Wajenberg - --------------- EDEN BOWER By Dante Gabriel Rossetti It was Lilith the wife of Adam: (Eden bower's in flower.) Not a drop of her blood was human, But she was made like a soft sweet woman. Lilith stood on the skirts of Eden; (And O the bower of the hour!) She was the first that thence was driven; With her was hell and with Eve was heaven. In the ear of the Snake said Lilith :-- (Eden bower's in flower.) 'To thee I come when the rest is over; A snake was I when thou wast my lover. 'I was the fairest snake in Eden: (And O the bower and the hour!) By the earth's will, new form and feature Made me a wife for the earth's new creature. 'Take me thou as I come from Adam: (Eden bower's in flower.) Once again shall my love subdue thee; The past is past and I am come to thee. 'O but Adam was thrall to Lilith! (And O the bower and the hour!) All the threads of my hair are golden, And there in a net his heart was holden. 'O and Lilith was queen of Adam! (Eden bower's in flower.) All the day and the night together My breath could shake his soul like a feather. 'What great joys had Adam and Lilith!-- (And O the bower and the hour!) Sweet close rings of the serpent's twining, As heart in heart lay sighing and pining. What bright babes had Adam and Lilith!-- (Eden bower's in flower.) Shapes that coiled in the woods and waters, Glittering sons and radiant daughters. 'O thou God, the Lord God of Eden! (And O the bower and the hour!) Say, was this fair body for no man, That of Adam's flesh thou mak'st him a woman? 'O thou Snake, the King-snake of Eden! (Eden bower's in flower.) God's strong will our necks are under, But thou and I may cleave it in sunder. 'Help, sweet Snake, sweet lover of Lilith! (And O the bower and the hour!) And let God learn how I loved and hated Man in the image of God created. 'Help me once against Eve and Adam! (Eden bower's in flower.) Help me once for this one endeavour, And then my love shall be thine for ever! 'Strong is God, the fell foe of Lilith: (And O the bower and the hour!) Nought in heaven or earth may affright him; But join thou with me and we will smite him. 'Strong is God, the great God of Eden: (Eden bower's in flower.) Over all he made he hath power; But lend me thou thy shape for an hour! 'Lend thy shape for the love of Lilith! (And O the bower and the hour!) Look, my mouth and cheek are ruddy, And thou art cold, and fire is my body. 'Lend thy shape for the hate of Adam! (Eden bower's in flower.) That he may wail my joy that forsook him, And curse the day when the bride-sleep took him. 'Lend thy shape for the shame of Eden! (And O the bower and the hour!) Is not the foe-God weak as the foeman When love grows hate in the heart of a woman? 'Would'st thou know the heart's hope of Lilith? (Eden bower's in flower.) Then bring thou close thine head till it glisten Along my breast, and lip me and listen. 'Am I sweet, O sweet Snake of Eden? (And O the bower and the hour!) Then ope thine ear to my warm mouth's cooing And learn what deed remains for our doing. 'Thou didst hear when God said to Adam:-- (Eden bower's in flower.) "Of all this wealth I have made thee warden; Thou'rt free to eat of the trees of the garden: '"Only of one tree eat not in Eden; (And O the bower and the hour!) All save one I give to thy freewill,-- The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil." 'O my love, come nearer to Lilith! (Eden bower's in flower.) In thy sweet folds bind me and bend me, And let me feel the shape thou shalt lend me! 'In thy shape I'll go back to Eden; (And O the bower and the hour!) In these coils that Tree will I grapple, And stretch this crowned head forth by the apple. 'Lo, Eve bends to the breath of Lilith! (Eden bower's in flower.) O how then shall my heart desire All her blood as food to its fire! 'Lo, Eve bends to the words of Lilith!-- (And O the bower and the hour!) "Nay, this Tree's fruit,--why should ye hate it, Or Death be born the day that ye ate it? '"Nay, but on that great day in Eden, (Eden bower's in flower.) By the help that in this wise Tree is, God knows well ye shall be as He is." 'Then Eve shall eat and give unto Adam; (And O the bower and the hour!) And then they both shall know they are naked, And their hearts ache as my heart hath ached. 'Aye, let them hide in the trees of Eden, (Eden bower's in flower.) As in the cool of the day in the garden God shall walk without pity or pardon. 'Hear, thou Eve, the man's heart in Adam! (And O the bower and the hour!) Of his brave words hark to the bravest:-- "This the woman gave that thou gavest." 'Hear Eve speak, yea, list to her, Lilith! (Eden bower's in flower.) Feast thine heart with words that shall sate it-- "This the serpent gave and I ate it." 'O proud Eve, cling close to thine Adam, (And O the bower and the hour!) Driven forth as the beasts of his naming By the sword that for ever is flaming. 'Know, thy path is known unto Lilith! (Eden bower's in flower.) While the blithe birds sang at thy wedding, There her tears grew thorns for thy treading. 'O my love, thou Love-snake of Eden! (And O the bower and the hour!) O to-day and the day to come after! Loose me, love,--give breath to my laughter! 'O bright Snake, the Death-worm of Adam! (Eden bower's in flower.) Wreathe thy neck with my hair's bright tether, And wear my gold and thy gold together! 'On that day on the skirts of Eden, (And O the bower and the hour!) In thy shape shall I glide back to thee, And in my shape for an instant view thee. 'But when thou'rt thou and Lilith is Lilith, (Eden bower's in flower.) In what bliss past hearing or seeing Shall each one drink of the other's being! 'With cries of "Eve!" and "Eden!" and "Adam!" (And O the bower and the hour!) How shall we mingle our love's caresses, I in thy coils, and thou in my tresses! 'With those names, ye echoes of Eden, (Eden bower's in flower.) Fire shall cry from my heart that burneth,-- "Dust he is and to dust returneth!" 'Yet to-day, thou master of Lilith,-- (And O the bower and the hour!) Wrap me round in the form I'll borrow And let me tell thee of sweet to-morrow. 'In the planted garden eastward in Eden, (Eden bower's in flower.) Where the river goes forth to water the garden, The springs shall dry and the soil shall harden. 'Yea, where the bride-sleep fell upon Adam, (And O the bower and the hour!) None shall hear when the storm-wind whistles Through roses choked among thorns and thistles. 'Yea, beside the east-gate of Eden, (Eden bower's in flower.) Where God joined them and none might sever, The sword turns this way and that for ever. 'What of Adam cast out of Eden? (And O the bower and the hour!) Lo! with care like a shadow shaken, He tills the hard earth whence he was taken. 'What of Eve too, cast out of Eden? (Eden bower's in flower.) Nay, but she, the bride of God's giving, Must yet be mother of all men living. 'Lo, God's grace, by the grace of lilith! (And O the bower and the hour!) To Eve's womb, from our sweet to-morrow, God shall greatly multiply sorrow. 'Fold me fast, O God-snake of Eden! (Eden bower's in flower.) What more prize than love to impel thee? Grip and lip my limbs as I tell thee! 'Lo! two babes for Eve and for Adam! (And O the bower and the hour!) Lo! sweet Snake, the travail and treasure,-- Two men-children born for their pleasure! 'The first is Cain and the second Abel: (Eden bower's in flower.) The soul of one shall be made thy brother, And thy tongue shall lap the blood of the other." (And O the bower and the hour!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:00:57 -0500 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Dross and Gold On Apr 2, 12:27pm, Hollis McCray wrote: > Subject: IN> Dross and Gold > I have to say that I have gleaned some useful information from being on the > In Nomine mailing list just in the two days so far. My only complaint is > that there is so much useless information with it. Could we please watch this? Not to be cold, but that's the nature of newsgroups, the web, mailing lists, and, in fact, our whole e-culture in general. What you think of as useless, some people might be dying to see. C'est la vie. Of course, some stuff is pure junk and, perhaps, some people don't just want information when they come on here. And, so that my post has _something_ to do with In Nomine, here's an artifact that will be showing up in my campaign soon. Mirror of Gold This is a standard-looking mirror that is backed by gold, rather than silver, making it a very poor viewing surface. If an Essence is spent, however, it clears up and reflects the true nature of any being whose image is caught by it for the spender of the Essence only. For two Essence, the images are viewable by anyone. (Note that an untrained human who examines it intently has a slight chance of accidentally activating it by using their Essence, if any.) It is the construct of a powerful Seraph many years ago and has spent the last 10 years in a curio shop. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 10:19:57 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> Principalities The recent post on having a Senechal of Dominic in charge of London, etc., brings up the possibility of a whole class of Word-bound angels. They already have precedents in Scripture and medieval angelology. They're called "principalities," which I believe is also given as one of the alternate names for an angelic choir. Principalities are guardian angels of peoples and nations. In addition to being an archangel, Michael is the guardian of Israel and the Jews (Daniel 10:13, 21; 12:1). In Daniel, Gabriel describes Michael as contending against the prince of Perisa, from which we may guess that there are infernal besetting devils for nations, too. In Gaiman & Pratchett's "Good Omens," the angel Aziraphael is the principality of England. In "That Hideous Strength," C. S. Lewis does not write of angels, but he does talk about the bright and dark natures of peoples, which gives an idea of what the heavenly and hellish principalities are working toword. Example: Let's call him Samuel, or "Sam" for short, or even "Uncle Sam" if you're feeling familiar. He's the principality of the USA and of course received his post sometime in the late 18th century. His Word *is* the USA, and he works at making that country approach its ideals of freedom, equality, and justice. He is a Cherub (as are lots of principalities) of Marc, recently promoted from working under another principality, one John Bull, of England. (Marc because the US is the champion of capitalism and England is notoriously the "nation of shopkeepers.") And, no, John does not hold any grudge against Sam for the affairs following 1776. On an ideal plane, John saw that a world-spanning empire was not necessarily the best thing for England's spiritual condition -- though of course he worked hard to promote fair play etc. within the empire. On the plane of celestial politics, John had always had his hands full, since receiving his post in the 11th century -- not only defending against infernals, but trying to cooperate with the principalities of Wales, Ireland, Scotland, Cornwall (*sigh*), France (DEEP sigh), and later the many principalities of India, Australia, etc. (Far past sighs.) As far as John was concerned, Sam was just taking some of the work off his hands. Sam soon cam to understand John's sighs. A number of Amerind principalities lost their posts because Sam was unable to restrain the territorial greed of his charges. His whole post was in danger during the civil war. And so on. Sam is generally found haunting Washington in the guise of a tourist. His vessel looks like a tall, skinny, white man, white-haired, around 60. He hasn't worn the chin-beard since the 19th century, and he only wears the star-spangled suit to parties. If you could follow Sam around without running afoul of the Cherubs and Malakim who watch over him, you'd see him pottering about the back rooms of the Smithsonian or the Library of Congress, or at the top of the Washington Monument, or sitting on a bench near the Lincoln Memorial or the White House, apparently taking it easy. Except that business- suited figures approach him every few minutes, have short conversations, and then depart. These are, of course, his subordinates, working in Roles as congretional aides, Secret Service agents, agents of the FBI or CIA, and, mostly, colorless but crucial members of the vast civil service bureaucracy. One particularly harrassed individual is the President's personal guardian angel. Sam is most likely to come into play if the game starts to touch mortal politics in the US. Thus plots to start wars, or promote or depose particular politicians, or wreak or prevent economic havoc, or manipulate the mass-media culture, will attract his attention, though the PCs will first encounter his agents, of course, unless they ARE his agents. Earl Wajenberg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 10:43:47 -0500 From: Hatcher Rhanyr Subject: IN> Yet another frightening glimspe into Hatcher's mind Okay so here's a fiendish thought that popped in when I was reading Bodhi's newest masterpiece "The Plague"...well done BTW. Thinking about the Neo-Bush got me thinking about how Vapula has to be laughing his butt off at the torment human beings are putting ourselves through over cloneing. When those Scottish Scientists cloned that sheep, it open a whole different can of worms if you get my meaning. So here's the thought..... One of Vapula's most devoted (the devious chap who convinced these Scots to clone a sheep) gets the Word of Cloneing. So being the happy demon that he is his biggest project is to try and get the humans to take that one final step which he feels will hasten the War....cloning a human being. So our happy little demon convinces an underground group of American Scientists to undertake the project. But unbeknowst to the scientists this demon is going to supply the DNA. Using soffisticated techniques and maybe even a little magick the Demon removes a sample of DNA from the Shroud of Turin....i.e. CHRIST'S BLOOD!!!! [HEY THEY DID IT IN JURASSIC PARK DIDN'T THEY?] When the scientist succeed in cloning this individual...this child unknown to the scientists is the ANTI-CHRIST. Ok...so it's way out there....but hey what do ya think? Hatcher ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:56:03 -0500 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> The nature of the Celestial On Apr 3, 6:10pm, Davies wrote: > Subject: IN> The nature of the Celestial > > I have jsut finished reading the In nomine rules cover to cover. It is > awesome! > > I have some questions maybe someone could help me with though: > > Are new angels still being created? The reason I ask this is I want to know > if a human soul, after death, could become an angel with full knowledge of > his previous life as a mortal. The rules state that human souls can ascend > to heaven, but not what can happen to them after... If a Soldier of God had > served well as a mortal, couldn't he be rewarded by returning him to the > Corperal realm to continue his work as an Angel? Angels are still being created (the book gives an example of how some can be). Angelic souls and humans souls are essentially different. Humans cannot become angels. Period. Angels cannot become humans. Period. A soldier can be 'promoted' to a Saint. Rules for this will be forthcoming. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:01:14 -0500 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Kryiotate Questions. On Apr 3, 9:17pm, Peter Frederick wrote: > Subject: IN> Kryiotate Questions. > Dear List > > A starting Kryiotate player can possess 9 forces of beings. If he has 3 > forces free he _may_ manifest his celestial form and stun on lookers. > > Where is the rest of him if he hasn't possessed his full quota of beings and > hasn't manifested his celestial form? There is no 'rest of him'. He just has the potential to possess more beings. > Where is he if he is on the corporeal plane, but hasn't possessed any beings? You can't be on the Corporeal plane with a vessel. In all likelihood, he is in a Celestial vessel and looking for a Corporeal one before he gets jerked back to Heaven. > How fast does he move on the corporeal plane if he hasn't possessed any beings? > > Can he move in any direction, ie fly? Check p.53 > How may he be sensed, especially if he hasn't manifested his celestial form? You have to have some form on earth. Either a Corporeal vessel or a Celestial form. > > Is his movement stopped by material objects? p.53 > How close does he have to be to possess someone? away to escape a slow moving possessing being> Use the Resonance rules for demonic Resonances. In other words, line of sight or live transmissions. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:02:30 -0500 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: [none] On Apr 3, 9:30pm, Davies wrote: > Subject: > > Davies wrote: > > >> ...If you want Cains father to be the Captain from Gilligans > >> Island, I'm sure you can justify it some how. It is a game after > >> all. the writtten word does not have to the TRUTH in your campaign. > > > Actually, he was always called 'Skipper', in my limited reccollection. > > What, so does this mean I'm gonna get flamed now for my heretical and > unconventinal views of Gilligan's Island? :) > > Is a Doctor of Giliganistic Studies form the Modern American Institue of Bad > SitCom gonna put me right on this... Actually, he was referred to as, I believe, Jonas Grimby on one episode. Forgive me if my memory isn't exactly perfect on this, but this is one of the cooler trivia questions that exist in sitcom-dom. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:03:31 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Zbaraschuk Subject: IN> The wandering Roman While I like the idea of the eternally wandering Roman centurion, I should point out that this figure already _has_ a name: in legends, he is generally referred to as "Longinus". What sort of a name is "Cartophilus"? Tony Z Tony Zbaraschuk tzbarasc@lasierra.edu Special Collections Librarian & Archivist 909-785-2518 (voice) La Sierra University 4700 Pierce St., Riverside, CA 92515-8247 Et vocavit Deus, "Fiat lux!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:05:55 -0600 (CST) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #100 > What about Babylon5?? I have a bad habit of interpreting everything > acording to the latest game I am trying to run, but isn't Babylon5 In Nomine > Sci-Fi version?? I wouldn't know; I've seen a grand total of 2 1/2 episodes of Babylon 5. Sorry that I can't help you there. Although, I believe another list member has already made such a comment. > Peter. Oops da "Uncool" Ogre ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 11:22:40 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Yet another frightening glimspe into Hatcher's mind Hatcher Rhanyr writes: "...the Demon removes a sample of DNA from the Shroud of Turin.... i.e. CHRIST'S BLOOD!!!! [HEY THEY DID IT IN JURASSIC PARK DIDN'T THEY?]" Heck, they did it on Star Trek, when some Klingon priests created a clone of Kaless, the Klingon messiah, and tried to pass him off as their Second Coming. Earl Wajenberg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:37:34 +0000 From: "Bodhi" Subject: Re: IN> The wandering Roman > While I like the idea of the eternally wandering Roman centurion, I > should point out that this figure already _has_ a name: in legends, > he is generally referred to as "Longinus". What sort of a name is > "Cartophilus"? Actually, I got that name from other legends about the Wandering Jew. I also got about 7 other names, but I settled on the two that I posted. I'll just add Longinus to the rest. That's what sort of name Cartophilus was... simply one of the set of names that I got when I did a little looking into a variety of legends about immortals from that period. Walk in Beauty, Rob Wolff / Bodhi rob@v-wave.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:58:55 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Emord Subject: Does this joke work??? Re: IN> Principalities An engineer dies and reports to the pearly gates. St. Peter checks his dossier and says, "Ah, you're an engineer -- you're in the wrong place." So the engineer reports to the gates of hell and is let in. Pretty soon, the engineer gets dissatisfied with the level of comfort in hell, and starts designing and building improvements. After a while, they've got air conditioning and flush toilets and escalators, and the engineer is a pretty popular guy. One day God calls Satan up on the telephone and says with a sneer, "So, how's it going down there in hell?" Satan replies, "Hey, things are going great. We've got air conditioning and flush toilets and escalators, and there's no telling what this engineer is going to come up with next." God replies, "What??? You've got an engineer? That's a mistake -- he should never have gotten down there; send him up here." Satan says, "No way. I like having an engineer on the staff, and I'm keeping him." God says, "Send him back up here or I'll sue." Satan laughs uproariously and answers, "Yeah, right. And just where are YOU going to get a lawyer?" Brian Emord - --* BEGIN GEEKCODE BLOCK *-- GCS/E d(+)>++ s+:+ a? C+++(++++)$ UBLAHS++$ P+++$ L++ E W++ N o K++ w O++ M-->--- V-- PS(++) PE(+)(-) Y+ PGP- t+@ 5+@ X R+(+++)* tv b++>+++ DI+++$ D G++ e(*)>++++ h+(*) r++>+++ y+ - --* END GEEKCODE BLOCK *-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 10:17:27 -0800 From: Roger Carbol Subject: Re: IN> The wandering Roman Tony Zbaraschuk wrote: > What sort of a name is > "Cartophilus"? It's that sort of name that comes from folk entymologists trying to make up relevant names. Off the top of my head I'd say it mean's something like "Phil's Cart." (Okay, so maybe some of our folk entymology is better than others.) Roger Carbol .. rog@col.ca .. swell atlas, dude ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:27:42 -0500 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Yet another frightening glimspe into Hatcher's mind On Apr 3, 11:22am, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Subject: Re: IN> Yet another frightening glimspe into Hatcher's mind > Hatcher Rhanyr writes: > > "...the Demon removes a sample of DNA from the Shroud of Turin.... > i.e. CHRIST'S BLOOD!!!! [HEY THEY DID IT IN JURASSIC PARK DIDN'T > THEY?]" > > Heck, they did it on Star Trek, when some Klingon priests created > a clone of Kaless, the Klingon messiah, and tried to pass him off > as their Second Coming. Moreover, they did that, specifically, in Three-Fisted Tales of Bob. One of the more amusing short stories in that collection. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 12:34:14 -0400 (EDT) From: gibsonc@nku.edu Subject: Re: IN> Stomp out Dross correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't everyone complaining about "useless" information in itself useless information? jahon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:10:52 -0500 (EST) From: Raoul Duke Subject: Re: IN> Stomp out Dross On Thu, 3 Apr 1997 gibsonc@nku.edu wrote: > correct me if i'm wrong, > but isn't everyone complaining about "useless" information > in itself useless information? Which is why Kobal enjoys reading Usenet. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:53:17 -0600 (CST) From: Shadowcat Subject: Re: IN> Adversarial Campaigns On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Ross Winn wrote: > It has been my experience in quite a few games that adversarial > campaigns (pitting the players against each other) is a bad idea. I may > be alone in this opinion, but I do not think so. No a lot of people beleive this. > One of my canon-ideas in role-playing is that there are no winners, and > no losers in RPG's. Open and honest teamwork is a neccesity. There is > enough sniping going on between players and GM's as it is. > > Of course, if the two player groups already hate each other--it really > can't get any worse. Or just not let them know there is a rival group throwing obsticles in theyr path. Shadowcat %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% "Ring a ring of roses/A pocket full of posies/ ashes achoo / all fall dead" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:06:26 -0600 (CST) From: Shadowcat Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #100 On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Donald G Bixler wrote: > Hehe. It could be translated to IN quite easily; [Major Clip] I like it. It sounds like a doable idea. > > You know what they say, Hollis, one person's useless info is another > > person's adventure inspiration! > > Like the above? ;'} Exactly. > > And on another note.... has anyone else picked up the IN GM's Pack? I got > > mine today and read through the adventure conatined in it.... nice stuff! > > The screen looks like it'll be handy little thing, and it's artwork is very > > nice. It's kinda fun to scare players by showing them the Superiors chart > > (with all the fun little arrows pointing out who detests who) an telling 'em > > "THAT'S who you work for!" > > Dotti and I got it yesterday. The artwork is very nice, > although a panel giving a summary or character generation would have > been great. I second the motion. The way the book is laid out makes it a bear to try and create characters for the first time or quickly. A cheat sheat would be great. Shadowcat ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "A kiss may not be the truth, but it is what we WISH were true." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:21:40 -0600 (CST) From: Shadowcat Subject: IN> IN Nomine Bestiary I was recently thinking of making a cherub of Jordi. They must take a feline vesel. I was thinking about a tigre, but there are no stats for one. Has anyone done a list of characteristics for various animals? If so could you post it to me? If not, anyone care to help desighn one? Shadowcat ******************************************************************************** All cats may look upon a king. No comment on the Queen ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:27:55 -0600 (CST) From: Shadowcat Subject: IN> Friday the 13th (The series) I just acquired 3 more episodes of Friday the 13th: the series, from a firend in boston. This show has some great infernal relics. If you haven't seen the show, it concerns two cousins who inherit an antique shop from theyr uncle. The problem is he made a deal with the devil to sell cursed antiques, then renigged, and is taken to hell. When the two cousins get the place they sell off everything. The later discover the items were cursed, and spend the rest of the series chasing around trying to retreave the items. I have a list somewhere of all the items that apeared on the show if anyone is interested. As a matter of fact, I may start reinterpreting them into IN. Shadowcat ******************************************************************************** If there are only two available options, choose the third. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 97 14:48 EST From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Kryiotate Questions. [I've been doing a Kyrio, so some of these questions have already come up for me. And for John, he whose Distinciton is NetRep of In Nomine....] >A starting Kryiotate player can possess 9 forces of beings. If he has 3 >forces free he _may_ manifest his celestial form and stun on lookers. > >Where is the rest of him if he hasn't possessed his full quota of beings and >hasn't manifested his celestial form? I've been assuming the extra Forces are invested in the hosts he has, at least until he needs to use them elsewhere. >Where is he if he is on the corporeal plane, but hasn't possessed any beings? He's celestial -- this is clear enough in the basic rules. If you're not in *any* host, you're celestial, and you need to find a host *fast* or you get yanked back to Heaven and griped at. >How fast does he move on the corporeal plane if he hasn't possessed any beings? > >Can he move in any direction, ie fly? > >How may he be sensed, especially if he hasn't manifested his celestial form? > >Is his movement stopped by material objects? He *has* to be in celestial form in this case, and the rules cover all of the above. >How close does he have to be to possess someone? away to escape a slow moving possessing being> This one isn't in the rules, but it's in the FAQ now, I think. You use the Resonance modifiers (up in the front of the book), except that it's restricted to "real-time" links to the target. I.e., no photographs or recordings (this is like the restriction on demon resonances). Generally, anyone in line-of-sight is pretty easy, and you can also possess people over the phone, live TV, etc. In my own opinion, this may be going overboard, making Kyrios too powerful, but it's the current official ruling on the subject from the Powers Above.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #102 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1996 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.