From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Apr 4 04:42:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by deliverator.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA25377; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 03:45:51 -0600 (CST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA18313 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 03:49:15 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 03:49:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199704040949.DAA18313@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #103 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, April 4 1997 Volume 01 : Number 103 In this digest: Re: IN> Stomp out Dross Re: IN> Grigori and their children Re: IN> Bodhi Adventure Seed Re: IN> Adversarial Campaigns Re: IN> The nature of the Celestial Re: IN> Kryiotate Questions. IN> In Nomine IOU Re: IN> Friday the 13th (The series) IN> IN > Dreamscapes question Re: IN> The wandering Roman Re: IN> Kryiotate Questions. Re: IN> Yet another frightening glimspe into Hatcher's mind IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #102 Re: IN> Heirarchies. Part 1 Re: IN> The wandering Roman IN> End encoded attachment IN> My Word is Germane Re: IN> The wandering Roman Re: IN> End encoded attachment Re: IN> Stomp out Dross Re: IN> Friday the 13th (The series) Re: IN> Bodhi Adventure Seed Re: IN> Yet another frightening glimspe into Hatcher's mind IN> Brevity Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #100 Re: IN> Principalities Re: IN> The wandering Roman RE: IN> Yet another frightening glimspe into Hatcher's mind Re: IN> The wandering Roman Re: IN> The wandering Roman RE: IN> Yet another frightening glimspe into Hatcher's mind Re: IN> Servotor Attunements of Mikey ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:30:22 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Stomp out Dross Happy Birthday on the 6th! - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:29:00 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Grigori and their children At 2:22 PM -0500 4/2/97, Hatcher Rhanyr wrote: >In the IN campaign I am about to start I want all the PC's to be unique >but I didn't want them to be human or celestial. My first thoughts were >on a celestial half-breed. So I came to the decision to make the PC's >all Children of the Grigori, but here's my problem. I need some ideas as >to what powers (if any) and abilities these children should posess. Note >that most if not all the PC's will be removed a descent bit from the >Grigori (Great Grand-parent was Grigori etc) That shouldn't matter, if they're celestial-souled. (As opposed to human-souled.) Human-souled children of Grigs would be more likely to be 6-Forcers, I'd say. Celestial Children would partake of whatever their ancestreal resonance is... Now, you *could* say that the Grigori were stripped of their special resonance when they were excommunicated. It's not as much fun, but it's easy. This basically means that the Children would be able to do Ethereal and Celestial Songs (while the human souled Grig-kin can only do Corporeal), but nothing else. Or you could take their "Watchers" description and give them some kind of Clairvoyance or Precognition... It is certain that they "almost instinctively shun demons"! This indicates some degree of mystical awareness... Maybe they can spot celestials, and the celestials' natures, on a successful Perception roll, unlike any other celestial? The celestial-souled Children would probably have at least 7 Forces (the errataed minimum to be a celestial rather than a reliever/imp/ gremlin). >My second problem concerns the Nephellim. Would all celestial offspring >be "deformed"? No -- the Nephellim were one branch of the family (somehow tainted in ways the human-like weren't, I guess). The mention of the Children of the Grigori in The Book says that they're human-looking. If you wanted to pull a "Comyn" trick (Darkover; psis are redheads, usually) of some kind, you could -- 6 fingers/toes, slightly odd hair-eye colors or combinations, birthmarks, etc. Probably nothing serious enough to count as a Corporeal Discord, though. All IMAO, of course. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:35:32 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Bodhi Adventure Seed At 2:59 AM -0500 4/3/97, Raoul Duke wrote: > >Wow. One of your better ones, Rob, although they're *all* pretty dang >good. I really can't wait to run this.... I think it's *eeeeeeeevil*! And I like it. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:38:09 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Adversarial Campaigns At 12:51 AM -0800 4/3/97, Ross Winn wrote: >It has been my experience in quite a few games that adversarial >campaigns (pitting the players against each other) is a bad idea. I may >be alone in this opinion, but I do not think so. If you can do it such that the players don't get upset with each other, you can probably pull it off. But it's probably not something to make a habit of -- you have to be good, have good players, *and* be lucky. What would be really surreal is if you started the *same* group on opposite ends of a problem ("This week is Demon night, next week is Angel night.") that doesn't seem to be connected -- but is. With really good roleplayers, they end up conflicting with themselves! (But you need *good* roleplayers for this -- it's hard to keep player data and character data seperate, especially if it degenerates into a brawl!) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:51:58 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> The nature of the Celestial At 6:10 PM +1100 4/3/97, Davies wrote: >Is there any offical stance, as far as In Nomine is concerned anyway, on >what exactly Jesus Christ was... [...] I believe there is no official stance. As far as angels are concerned, they get to pick and choose their beliefs on that matter as much as humans do. And Yves ain't talkin'. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:57:05 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Kryiotate Questions. At 9:17 PM +1000 4/3/97, Peter Frederick wrote: >Dear List > >A starting Kryiotate player can possess 9 forces of beings. If he has 3 >forces free he _may_ manifest his celestial form and stun on lookers. What *I* want to know is how much noise it makes -- if he's only got 3 Forces free, then does it make a 3-Force noise? (Plus more noise if more Forces get added...) >Where is the rest of him if he hasn't possessed his full quota of beings and >hasn't manifested his celestial form? Compressed metaphysically into the beings he *is* possessing. >Where is he if he is on the corporeal plane, but hasn't possessed any beings? In celestial form. Exception: the Kyrios of Janus can manifest as a cloud, and have special rules for that. >How fast does he move on the corporeal plane if he hasn't possessed any beings? Normal for celestial form. (See Janus for exceptions) >Can he move in any direction, ie fly? As celestial forms do, yes. (See Janus for exceptions) >How may he be sensed, especially if he hasn't manifested his celestial form? By the usual resonances, which I enumerated a while back; if he's not possessing something, though, he's in celestial form. (See Janus for exceptions) >Is his movement stopped by material objects? Not in celestial form; yes in corporeal forms. (See Janus for exceptions) >How close does he have to be to possess someone? away to escape a slow moving possessing being> p. 57, Resonance mechanics; watch out for phones! - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:18:56 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> In Nomine IOU If anybody's interested, I've been doing some more work on this, primarily in the Conversions section. All typos authentic... :-J (No spell-checking program in NetScape Gold, that I saw.) http://www.io.com/~arcangel/net.character.book/Web-IOU/IOUInNom.html A Net Book pick in Scribe! - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:23:38 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Emord Subject: Re: IN> Friday the 13th (The series) > I have a list somewhere of all the items that apeared on the show > if anyone is interested. As a matter of fact, I may start reinterpreting > them into IN. > > Shadowcat > MEMEMEMEMMEMEMEMEMEME I like those kindsa things... if you have a little description or evil abilities to go with them that would be ULTRA-cool... Thanks... Brian Emord - --* BEGIN GEEKCODE BLOCK *-- GCS/E d(+)>++ s+:+ a? C+++(++++)$ UBLAHS++$ P+++$ L++ E W++ N o K++ w O++ M-->--- V-- PS(++) PE(+)(-) Y+ PGP- t+@ 5+@ X R+(+++)* tv b++>+++ DI+++$ D G++ e(*)>++++ h+(*) r++>+++ y+ - --* END GEEKCODE BLOCK *-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:36:25 -0500 From: "Matthias Müller" Subject: IN> IN > Dreamscapes question Hello everybody, The following question turned up while I created a Servitor of Beleth. It looks like entering a humans dreamscape via Dreamwalking or Corporeal Song of Dreams lets you stay just a couple of minutes in your targets dream. So how can an Impudite of Beleth stay in a dream for a hour or more, to benefit from his its band attunement ? First I thought that every demon could enter dreamscapes, but couldn't affect anything inside. Now, having looked closer at that part, it seems they can only observe dreamscapes from outside when not using song or attunement. Who can help me there ? -How many ways are there to enter somebodys dream ? -How long is the maximum time you could stay ? Thanks ! -Matioki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 03:50:07 -0500 From: John Maurer Subject: Re: IN> The wandering Roman At 10:17 AM 4/2/97 -0800, Roger Carbol wrote: >Tony Zbaraschuk wrote: > >> What sort of a name is >> "Cartophilus"? > >It's that sort of name that comes from folk entymologists >trying to make up relevant names. Off the top of my head I'd >say it mean's something like "Phil's Cart." > >(Okay, so maybe some of our folk entymology is better than > others.) I would call it "Paper-Lover" from Carta (latin=Paper) and Phile (latin=lover of). I am not sure why a Paper-Lover would be cursed by God. Longius btw is supposedly the Centurion who stabbed Christ while on the cross (and the water sprang forth from his side and all). There is no particular record of Longius being involved with Christ's beatings. (Although I am certain Moriah will correct me if I am mistaken). "Okay... things get worse. Then they get better. Then they get worse again... then lots of stuff blows up... people die... others are born... more stuff blows up... and then it ends." -- JMS on the future of the Babylon 5 storyline or me on life. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 97 16:17 EST From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Kryiotate Questions. >>A starting Kryiotate player can possess 9 forces of beings. If he has 3 >>forces free he _may_ manifest his celestial form and stun on lookers. > > What *I* want to know is how much noise it makes -- if he's only >got 3 Forces free, then does it make a 3-Force noise? (Plus more >noise if more Forces get added...) Our NetRep told me it's the same as usual -- you count *all* the Forces. But there's no additional noise if you then give up your last host (which would force you celestial, if you didn't already have a celestial form going). - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:41:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Theodore J. Houseman" Subject: Re: IN> Yet another frightening glimspe into Hatcher's mind I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but the first part of this idea was the foundation for a book titled "The Blood of the Lamb". In it, a young priest discovers that he is a clone of Jesus Christ. A secret group in the Vatican used blood from the Shroud of Turin to create him. I don't want to spoil the rest of the book, but I highly recommend it. On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Hatcher Rhanyr wrote: > and maybe even a little magick the Demon removes a sample of DNA from > the Shroud of Turin....i.e. CHRIST'S BLOOD!!!! [HEY THEY DID IT IN > JURASSIC PARK DIDN'T THEY?] > When the scientist succeed in cloning this individual...this child > unknown to the scientists is the ANTI-CHRIST. > > Ok...so it's way out there....but hey what do ya think? > > Hatcher > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:56:07 -0600 (CST) From: rogue@ez-net.com (RogueLdr) Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #102 > >What, so does this mean I'm gonna get flamed now for my heretical and >unconventinal views of Gilligan's Island? :) > >Is a Doctor of Giliganistic Studies form the Modern American Institue of Bad >SitCom gonna put me right on this... Well, as long as you put it *that* way..... His name was "The Skipper", but Captain is an acceptable substitute. Professor Rogue, IOU, Nybass Building ;) > >correct me if i'm wrong, > but isn't everyone complaining about "useless" information >in itself useless information? > Hey, you're right! And people mentioning that complaining about useless info *is* useless info are adding *more* useless info! And the poeple who point *that* out are adding MORE useless info! And the people who point *that* out......... Rogue, Demon Of Redundancy Demon, He Who Is Redundant, Whose Word is Redundant. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:25:37 GMT+10 From: "Leathal Weapon" <938269@wrpc.riv.csu.edu.au> Subject: Re: IN> Heirarchies. Part 1 > Hmm. What I would suggest be consulted, before any systematic work on > hierarchies be done, is a handbook on angelology, listing traditional > spheres of influence for angels. Is such a thing available on the Web, or > do I need to go check out a book from the library? Looking at the > list of Dom's servitors, some of the names, like Ts/Zadkiel and Phanuel, > look awful familiar... I already specified that my source was "A Dictionary of Angels". Basically I looked through the Dictionary at the various Words I thought would fall under Dominic's sway, and developed it from there (BTW, I am going to post some descriptions soon). > Basically, if we can work in traditional legend, we should. I agree to a certain point. Tradition is a wonderful area to expand on, but of course, tradition is OLD. Most NEW Angels are going to have modern names and concepts. Also, after reading the Dictionary, several of the Archangel's and Demon Princes aren't mentioned in Tradition. This isn't a flaw, as I love the descriptions, but it goes to show that we don't have to religiously (parden the pun) stick to tradition. Leath. Just a thought... Leathal Weapon. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:31:59 -0600 (CST) From: Bill Subject: Re: IN> The wandering Roman On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, John Maurer wrote: > I would call it "Paper-Lover" from Carta (latin=Paper) and Phile > (latin=lover of). I am not sure why a Paper-Lover would be cursed by God. Scholar? (paper translated into book) [snip who was that masked Centurion] > (Although I am certain Moriah will correct me if I am mistaken). I'm not Moriah, but that's how I heard it. Also, was it him or Pontius who nailed the sign to Jesus' cross? - -- "I was like a cow in a pen with a bunch of other cows, only I got out somehow. Well, they came and got me and put me in another pen, only this one was bigger and I had it all to myself. I looked around and seen the fences was so high I'd never get out. So I said, 'All right, I'll graze.'" - Elvis Disclaimer: I babble. A lot. If you don't understand something I said, don't worry, I probably don't, either. ------------------------------ Date: 03 Apr 97 18:08:52 EST From: Moriah - Steve Jackson Games <73407.515@compuserve.com> Subject: IN> End encoded attachment John Gonzalez is having trouble shutting off the base64 attachment to his email. Anyone have any ideas what's causing this and what to do about it? John, what emailing program/platform are you using. Peace, Moriah - --- forwarded email post --- >From: John Gonzalez >Subject: RE: Cain's mom [was IN> Re: Alu-Fiends] > >- ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC3FAA.19687E80 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I would love to have the poem posted... Many thanks... If it's not posted to >the list, can you please email me a copy? Thanks in advance. > >John > > >- ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC3FAA.19687E80 >Content-Type: application/ms-tnef >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > >eJ8+IgYFAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy >b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAyAEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL .... --- end --- ------------------------------ Date: 03 Apr 97 18:08:47 EST From: Moriah - Steve Jackson Games <73407.515@compuserve.com> Subject: IN> My Word is Germane While it is perfectly acceptable for people to voice their opinion over what they would like to see or not see on the list, or what is germane or not germane*; please be aware that I'm keeping my eye on that and will make sure the list does not go off topic. If something is off topic, I'll email that person personally or put up an overall reminder to get back on topic. But remember, I will be that final arbiter -- no lobbyists, vigilantes, or lynch mobs, please. Thank-you all for your comments on what you'd like to see or not see on the list. Peace, Moriah, List Manager and IN NOMINE Line Editor *Note this is the right spelling. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:31:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Q (not from Star Trek)" Subject: Re: IN> The wandering Roman On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Bill wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, John Maurer wrote: > > > I would call it "Paper-Lover" from Carta (latin=Paper) and Phile > > (latin=lover of). I am not sure why a Paper-Lover would be cursed by God. > > Scholar? (paper translated into book) > > [snip who was that masked Centurion] > > (Although I am certain Moriah will correct me if I am mistaken). > > I'm not Moriah, but that's how I heard it. > Also, was it him or Pontius who nailed the sign to Jesus' cross? Well, Pontius Pilate _commissioned_ the sign, but he was governor of Judea, so I highly doubt he went and nailed it on himself :) - -Q - --------------------------------------- I dislike Windows95 for the same reason people dislike New Coke It tastes disgustingly like Pepsi. Scott "Q" Meyer Scott.E.Meyer@wheaton.edu http://johnh.wheaton.edu/~smeyer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 15:34:14 -0800 From: John Gonzalez Subject: Re: IN> End encoded attachment Moriah - Steve Jackson Games wrote: > > John Gonzalez is having trouble shutting off the base64 attachment to his > email. Anyone have any ideas what's causing this and what to do about it? > > John, what emailing program/platform are you using. > I am using either Netscape 2.02 email program or Microsoft Exchange... depends on when I write (I am using N2.02 now) Any help on this bothersome problem would be appreciated. Please email me privately at masque@bbic.com as to not waste bandwith on the list. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:45:38 -0700 From: mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us (Hollis McCray) Subject: Re: IN> Stomp out Dross >correct me if i'm wrong, > but isn't everyone complaining about "useless" information >in itself useless information? > > > >jahon > Yup. Come on, I'm going to drop it. wouldeveryone else let it die a quiet death? Hollis McCray Madman at Large e-mail: mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:48:12 -0700 From: mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us (Hollis McCray) Subject: Re: IN> Friday the 13th (The series) >I just acquired 3 more episodes of Friday the 13th: the series, from a >firend in boston. This show has some great infernal relics. > If you haven't seen the show, it concerns two cousins who inherit >an antique shop from theyr uncle. The problem is he made a deal with the >devil to sell cursed antiques, then renigged, and is taken to hell. When >the two cousins get the place they sell off everything. The later >discover the items were cursed, and spend the rest of the series chasing >around trying to retreave the items. > I have a list somewhere of all the items that apeared on the show >if anyone is interested. As a matter of fact, I may start reinterpreting >them into IN. > > Shadowcat > >*************************************************************************** ***** > If there are only two available options, choose the third. > Would you please post the list? Not as message text, but as an attatchment. Thanks. Hollis McCray Madman at Large e-mail: mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 10:41:12 +1000 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> Bodhi Adventure Seed Ah, an idea from Nodhi - always worth checking out. Bodhi wrote: > > This one's a little wierd, even for me! > > Adventure Seed: The Plague > > Angels are getting sick! The PC's are asked to QUIETLY investigate > the fact that many Celestials are coming down with what can only be > called an Illness. They seem to get progressively worse, some faster > than others, until finally their corporeal vessel dies. The rate of > deterioration is not set: instead, it seems to change with some > unknown factor. What is going ON!?!?! > [Big snip involving cloning the Burning Bush, atomic tests and reality's immune system] This is a _way_neat_ idea. For a start, it's a good excuse for mixed adventure parties, which could be really amusing. The logic behind the idea is both intelligent and wacky, and a lot of fun besides! I could see the opportunities for both investigation and gunplay (both big-arse fun). Oh, and it has "reality's immune system", which forms a major part of a novel I'm working on. I'd say great minds think alike, but I'm not sure I'm in Bodhi's league... Excellent stuff. - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia You remember that foul evening, when you heard the banshee howl There was lousy drunken bastards singing Billy in the bowl They took you up to midnight mass and left you in the lurch So you dropped a button in the plate and spewed up in the church. THE POGUES, "The Sick Bed of Cuchulainn" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 11:01:55 +1000 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> Yet another frightening glimspe into Hatcher's mind Hatcher Rhanyr wrote: > > Okay so here's a fiendish thought that popped in when I was reading > Bodhi's newest masterpiece "The Plague"...well done BTW. > > Thinking about the Neo-Bush got me thinking about how Vapula has to be > laughing his butt off at the torment human beings are putting ourselves > through over cloneing. When those Scottish Scientists cloned that sheep, > it open a whole different can of worms if you get my meaning. > > So here's the thought..... > One of Vapula's most devoted (the devious chap who convinced these Scots > to clone a sheep) gets the Word of Cloneing. So being the happy demon > that he is his biggest project is to try and get the humans to take that > one final step which he feels will hasten the War....cloning a human > being. > So our happy little demon convinces an underground group of American > Scientists to undertake the project. But unbeknowst to the scientists > this demon is going to supply the DNA. Using soffisticated techniques > and maybe even a little magick the Demon removes a sample of DNA from > the Shroud of Turin....i.e. CHRIST'S BLOOD!!!! [HEY THEY DID IT IN > JURASSIC PARK DIDN'T THEY?] > When the scientist succeed in cloning this individual...this child > unknown to the scientists is the ANTI-CHRIST. > > Ok...so it's way out there....but hey what do ya think? > Okay, this is kinda off-topic for IN - actually, well off-topic - and I apologize to anyone who gets annoyed, but I think it's worth sharing. WARNING - Christians might get offended by this one. This idea was worked up by my friend Kevin for a DREAM PARK adventure. I may get some details wrong, but here's the gist. During an archeological dig, scientists find a piece of human tissue (possibly encased in amber), finally identified as the last remnant of Jesus Christ - his foreskin (hey, he was a good Jewish boy!). From this Christ-DNA, scientists clone a pile of Jesii (plural of Jesus), which flood the world, doing good and performing miracles. One fateful day, though, a cloning goes haywire, and the Anti-Christ is created, and he sets out to conquer the world! He recruits a bunch of renegade Jesii to form his army of evil. The players are (I think) good Jesii, set to defeat the evil of the Anti-Christ. I _think_ a time-machine may have become involved as well, with the Anti-Christ attempting to tarvel back 2000 years and replace the true Jesus. If anyone cares, I can get details. I believe Kevin got inspired by reading my copy of 'The Book of the Sub-Genius' which describes the various Jesii that walk the Earth, such as the Two-Fisted Jesus, the Black Jesus, the Blind Jesus, Buddhist Jesus, Vampire Jesus ('He gave His blood for you... and now He wants it back") etc... Well, _I_ think it's funny... - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia You remember that foul evening, when you heard the banshee howl There was lousy drunken bastards singing Billy in the bowl They took you up to midnight mass and left you in the lurch So you dropped a button in the plate and spewed up in the church. THE POGUES, "The Sick Bed of Cuchulainn" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:02:05 GMT+10 From: "Leathal Weapon" <938269@wrpc.riv.csu.edu.au> Subject: IN> Brevity I know Moriah has had The Final Word on the subject of "Dross and Gold', and far be it for me to stifle anyone's creativity, but could we please edit anything we are replying to down to the important snippets? I mean, I generally keep the original post around if interesting, or if I don't have it a few lines remind me what it was about, but I for one think that it's a waste of space repeating someone's whole post (plus signature) before you add you reply to the end (or beginning). Thanks. Flame Shield on. Leath. (Who's favourite character is a car salesman.....) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 02:01:43 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #100 *****Babylon 5 Spoilers below***** On Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:08:35 +1000 (EST), Peter Frederick wrote: >What about Babylon5?? I have a bad habit of interpreting everything >acording to the latest game I am trying to run, but isn't Babylon5 In Nomine >Sci-Fi version?? > >Anyone who has seen any let me know what you think?? I am a fairly devoted Babylon 5 fan. While it has some parallels to In Nomine, I don't think the parallels are really more pronounced than between IN and Tolkien or IN and Shakespeare. Since Babylon 5 tends not to divide the universe into good and evil, the strongest parallel would be with an IN game where angels and demons are busy with their own agendas and humanity is rather caught in the middle. The scenario posted positing Soldiers of Humanity that were trying to keep either side from winning would be closest, but that was near heretical from an IN perspective--or maybe it wasn't considering the introduction stories of IN. In any case, Babylon 5 is a great source of stories of all kinds, and it has its own rpg, too. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 02:01:58 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> Principalities On Thu, 03 Apr 1997 10:19:57 -0500, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >Example: > >Let's call him Samuel, or "Sam" for short, or even "Uncle Sam" if >you're feeling familiar. He's the principality of the USA and (A recent note by Moriah suggests that an angelic principality is a "cathedral"--approximately synonymous with diocese in this sense.) >of course received his post sometime in the late 18th century. >His Word *is* the USA, and he works at making that country approach >its ideals of freedom, equality, and justice. > >He is a Cherub (as are lots of principalities) of Marc, recently >promoted from working under another principality, one John Bull, >of England. (Marc because the US is the champion of capitalism and >England is notoriously the "nation of shopkeepers.") That's about what I was thinking, though I was thinking of such a person as an Arch-Seneschal (who may or may not run the tether at his "capital"). The recent post by Moriah suggests that he might be termed an Ambassador. To recap some information about Seneschals and Tethers, the Seneschal of Notre Dame serves no Superior, suggesting that he may be an Archangel in his own right; Notre Dame seems to be world headquarters of angelic forces. "Most major cities have at least one divine Tether and one infernal one," so there are a lot of Tethers and the Washington DC area probably has several competing Tethers. Since a Seneschal may deny entry to a hostile celestial, even denying an angel entry to an angelic Tether, each Archangel will want to have his own Tethers for their angels. IMHO, this suggests that not just one person would supervise the USA, due to the competition among angels (and demons). Sam may be Marc's Ambassador for the USA, but David (Stone) and Jordi (Animals) are hostile to Marc, so they wouldn't allow Sam to supervise their angels, Seneschals or Tethers in the USA, nor would they depend on him. Archangels may also take different viewpoints than human politicos or each other: Novalis (Flowers) and Jordi couldn't care less about political boundaries, so they wouldn't buy into this at all. Novalis might have an Ambassador of the Great Plains, including and excluding parts of Canada and the USA. The Seraphim Council could grant USA as a Word, but that wouldn't prohibit other angels from doing things in the USA related to other Words. The angel of USA would just have the primary responsibility for increasing the power of the USA. However, for political reasons, I suspect the Seraphim Council might be reluctant to grant such a Word, preferring to merely grant Marc's angel "USA Trade." Of course, the Seraphim Council might have granted "Anglo-America" in the 1600s or early 1700s, and that angel might have done very well indeed. >Sam is generally found haunting Washington in the guise of a tourist. >His vessel looks like a tall, skinny, white man, white-haired, around >60. He hasn't worn the chin-beard since the 19th century, and he only >wears the star-spangled suit to parties. If you could follow Sam >around without running afoul of the Cherubs and Malakim who watch >over him, you'd see him pottering about the back rooms of the >Smithsonian or the Library of Congress, or at the top of the >Washington Monument, or sitting on a bench near the Lincoln Memorial >or the White House, apparently taking it easy. Except that business- >suited figures approach him every few minutes, have short conversations, >and then depart. Sam wouldn't go to the Washington Monument if David claims it; Marc is on good terms with Yves, so the Library of Congress wouldn't be a problem. :) >These are, of course, his subordinates, working in Roles as >congretional aides, Secret Service agents, agents of the FBI or CIA, >and, mostly, colorless but crucial members of the vast civil >service bureaucracy. One particularly harrassed individual is >the President's personal guardian angel. I would see many of these as from other Archangels, notably Dominic (Judgement). In Nomine is very muddy politically. While we interpolate the needed intermediate hierarchy between Archangels and lower angels, I think we need to preserve the muddiness of celestial politics to stay true to the game. Besides, it increases the unpredictability of the game and makes for more stories. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 22:41:47 -0500 From: "Stephen B. Mann" Subject: Re: IN> The wandering Roman > [snip who was that masked Centurion] He, coincidentally, was the hero of a series of action books by Barry Sadler. The hero was Casca Longinus (sp?), and there were a dozen or so books about the eternal soldier and his adventures. One had him meet an organization who had spent the time since Christ's death looking for the centurion who had stabbed himl. - -- Stephen B. Mann sm6439@cnsvax.albany.edu Webmaster Center on English Learning & Achievement http://www.albany.edu/cela ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 04:54:23 +-200 From: Jo Hart Subject: RE: IN> Yet another frightening glimspe into Hatcher's mind - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC40B4.48C82B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > During an archeological dig, scientists find a piece of human tissue >(possibly encased in amber), finally identified as the last remnant of >Jesus Christ - his foreskin (hey, he was a good Jewish boy!). Not to be pedantic or anthing but.. as a good Jewish boy, he wouldn't have had one (gets surgically removed at 8 days old and I'm sure the Rabbis don't keep them for posterity...). 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Mann wrote: > > [snip who was that masked Centurion] > > He, coincidentally, was the hero of a series of action books by > Barry Sadler. The hero was Casca Longinus (sp?), and there were a dozen > or so books about the eternal soldier and his adventures. One had him > meet an organization who had spent the time since Christ's death looking > for the centurion who had stabbed himl. That sounds incredibly tasteless. Tell me more, man! Any series with *that* kind of a premise has to be good (or at least not entirely bad). Was it a standard Mack-Bolan-kills-people kind of series or did it have any more IN potential? Joe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 00:09:29 -0500 (EST) From: Frederic Bush Subject: Re: IN> The wandering Roman >> He, coincidentally, was the hero of a series of action books by >> Barry Sadler. The hero was Casca Longinus (sp?), and there were a dozen >> or so books about the eternal soldier and his adventures. One had him >> meet an organization who had spent the time since Christ's death looking >> for the centurion who had stabbed himl. > >That sounds incredibly tasteless. Hey, any book written by Mr. Ballad-of-the-Green-Berets himself has to be ghastly in an entertaining way. Yes, the same guy... I think he's got a pretty good case for being some sort of demonic agent, to get this back on topic. I mean, jingoistic music AND lousy militaristic pulp fiction, combined with a messy suicide... there's a story here somewhere. - --Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 00:17:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Q (not from Star Trek)" Subject: RE: IN> Yet another frightening glimspe into Hatcher's mind On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Jo Hart wrote: > > > During an archeological dig, scientists find a piece of human tissue > >(possibly encased in amber), finally identified as the last remnant of > >Jesus Christ - his foreskin (hey, he was a good Jewish boy!). > > Not to be pedantic or anthing but.. as a good Jewish boy, he wouldn't have had > one (gets surgically removed at 8 days old and I'm sure the Rabbis don't > keep them for posterity...). So I'd pick some other tissue :-) > Actually I have heard a legend (it's in the so-called Gospel of Mary, i beleive if anyone's read that) that Mary saved Jesus' umbilical cord and foreskin, preserving it in the myrrh that the Magi had presented. It further states that this was the self-same ointment that Mary Magdelene anointed Jesus's head with. Don't ask me what happened to the foreskin :) - -Q - --------------------------------------- I dislike Windows95 for the same reason people dislike New Coke It tastes disgustingly like Pepsi. Scott "Q" Meyer Scott.E.Meyer@wheaton.edu http://johnh.wheaton.edu/~smeyer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 04:45:04 EST From: jhk@atp.dk Subject: Re: IN> Servotor Attunements of Mikey Dato: 04/04/97 Fra: Jens H. Kruuse JHK - TEXT Til: In Nomine Mailing List I8018344 - IBMMAIL Emne: Re: IN> Servotor Attunements of Mikey - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Easter vacation has delayed my response) John and Elizabeth, I'm afraid you both missed my main point: The (lack of) range for the howl. I would prefer for the Michaelite to be able to howl and charge, NOT charge, stop, howl, and bash. As for the handcuffs you mentioned, E., you'd better have those cuffs ready and pray that your oppnent is obliging you by keeping his wrists together otherwise I doubt that one combat round is time enough to slap 'em on. (New Skill: Cuffing? ;-) ) Also, I don't like the idea of a Servitor of War using his Attunement in order to "arrest" someone - I think that Michael meant it for inflicting bodily harm. Incidentally, the 6' range is for max CorpFor. In actual play the Michaelite would probably have an even lesser rang. Jens P.S. How do you think normal humans would react if /anybody/ let out an awesome yell from 6 feet away? Maybe my suggested changes should be used for mortals only? Whaddaya think? ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #103 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1996 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.