From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Apr 10 14:36:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (root@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by deliverator.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00334; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:05:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28374 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:38:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:38:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199704101838.NAA28374@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #112 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, April 10 1997 Volume 01 : Number 112 In this digest: Re: IN> pizza men in black IN> Re: Freddy Krueger Re: IN> pizza men in black Re: IN> Releases Re: IN> LARP & Relics in '98 IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #110 IN> Corporeal corpses? IN> Janus/Ofanite Tethers IN> Quote of the day? IN> New Demon (Powerful). IN> What's in a Word? Re: IN> pizza men in black Re: IN> Corporeal corpses? Re: IN> questions Re: Tethers of the Wind... (Re: IN> Principalities) IN> Angel of Garden Statuary Re: IN> Elohim of Destiny Resonance Re: Tethers of the Wind again (Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #109) IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #111 Re: IN> Bodhi's Cult Adventure Seed Responses... Re: IN> pizza men in black Re: IN> God, the Tao, and "Is anybody up there?" Re: IN> Corporeal corpses? Re: IN> pizza men in black IN> Lycanthropes IN> Principalities (and Egyptians) Re: IN> pizza men in black ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:13:37 -0700 From: Hollis McCray Subject: Re: IN> pizza men in black At 05:18 PM 4/8/97 -0500, you wrote: > Read Snow Crash. Now make it less well known who owns it. Finally! Somebody with taste in books! > I am the Deliverator! Hehehe. NOT!!! Hollis McCray Madman at Large email: Mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us "No matter where you go, there you are." - -Buckaroo Banzai ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:55:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: IN> Re: Freddy Krueger With regards to the Band that Freddy would belong to: my wife and I (I'm going to get her to post eventually so that you don't think she's just a hallucination.) had considered him about a month ago. We decided that Djinn was the most appropriate. The obsession with his targets and toying with them is a good match. As far as the not harming the target without a request goes, the typical victim isn't the subject of the attunement, but rather friends, family, etcetera. By the time Freddy's done taunting the lucky subject and offing loved ones, they are yelling "C'mon, Freddy, let's go!" A rather clever routine, if he can cover up the noise of the killings somehow... Oops da Ogre, can you have a Role of "Boogeyman"? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:13:34 -0700 From: Hollis McCray Subject: Re: IN> pizza men in black At 12:27 PM 4/8/97 -0500, you wrote: >Just what would it be like, if some {Illuminated} group or another took >over dominoes pizza? > >Not saying they haven't, mind you. Which is why I always order local pizza >(and the relative quality is not a factor at all... Do you play Illuminati: New World Order? There's a card in the first expansion set called "Pizza For The Secret Meeting". I thought you might want to know.... Hollis McCray Madman at Large email: Mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us "No matter where you go, there you are." - -Buckaroo Banzai ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:13:36 -0700 From: Hollis McCray Subject: Re: IN> Releases At 01:02 PM 4/8/97 -0400, you wrote: > > >On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, David.Evans wrote: > >> >> >> BTW, the other products listed were: the Core Book, >> the GM pack, the two IN hardback editions (one angelic and one demonic >> cover), the five-part Revelations Cycle (with the first three volumes >> officially "christened" - if that's the right word :-), and Relics, a >> book of Artifacts, Relics, Reliquaries, and other sundry toys for your >> Angels and Demons to play with. Personally, I hope *THAT* >> one comes out ASAP. :-) > > Interesting! This book seems to me the least interesting of the lot. >In Nomine would seem to be a game based around moral conflicts, whereas >stuff is neither good nor evil (or at least, not in the same way that >characters are). The book sounds like just another list of magic items... Not to me! I really need some good artifact Ideas! Hollis McCray Madman at Large email: Mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us "No matter where you go, there you are." - -Buckaroo Banzai ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:32:25 -0700 From: Hollis McCray Subject: Re: IN> LARP & Relics in '98 At 02:06 PM 4/9/97 EDT, you wrote: >>David: >>Oh yes, there's also going to be an Angel's and >>a Demon's players guide each, too. What's going to be in those? >>Moriah? > > It's a RPG designed to allow celestial gamers to RP mundane humans. Real funny. BTW, does anyone know if In Anime is real or not? If it's real, I'd buy it! Hollis McCray Madman at Large email: Mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us "No matter where you go, there you are." - -Buckaroo Banzai ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:30:53 -0500 (CDT) From: rogue@ez-net.com (RogueLdr) Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #110 >>I wondered that same thing myself when making a Tether for Janus. My >>solution (which I'm sure is *completely* non-canon) is to make Janus' >>Tethers mobile. They go from building to building in the form of a company >>(North Wind Enterprises) that buys and changes other companies. Myabe a >>traveling road show, or some such would be other Tethers.... > >Oh, *cool*! I hadn't thought of that. You could make it a train, >too ("I'm the train they call the City of New Orleans"), or >a plane, or a space shuttle.... Or a Grayhound bus, or *anything* >that doesn't stay put! Oh, I *like* that idea! > > >- --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net >GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ Why, thank you. Ms. McCoy. Am honor, as always. > >Making the idea a bit more surreal, how about if the tether itself >could be anything. That is, it's a shapechanging vehicle -- perhaps >a bit like the TARDIS of Dr. Who on the rare occasions when it's in >working order -- and it can look like a train, RV, bus, plane, ship, >or whatnot, as the occasion demands. Probably makes some celestial >noise when it changes shape, though... > >Earl Wajenberg Hmmmmm. We already have a Gargoyles/In Nomine corssover (very well done, by the way). And *now* you want Transformers!?!?!?! ;) Cool idea. >> !!! I would say just the opposite. If the beliefs of humanity >>determine what type of God there is, then it is vitally important to >>convince them of the existence of the best God you can think of! > >What if perhaps God is not merely a reflection of the beliefs of >humanity but is instead a power much like the Tao? Moving, not >personified? > >- -Perry What if God doesn't exist? Someone posted a campaign idea a while back wherein the Seraphim Council is concealing the fact that God is *dead*. So maybe the Angels are acting on their own after all...? - -Rogue, who *adores* theological discussion but can never seem to ghet anyone to partake in them anymore ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:42:44 +1100 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: IN> Corporeal corpses? Hey kids. Just in the middle of a new IN short story, and I suddenly drew a blank on a point: When celestial vessels are killed, do they leave a corpse? After all, when celestials assume celestial form, the vessel vanishes, and corporeal form is automatically assumed at point of death. However, on p48 (roles), the rulebook mentions that if a vessel dies in public, that vessel's Role is lost as well - which implies that a body is left behind and people go, "yep, he's dead". Personally, I'm for having the body dissipate, but that's a matter of opinion. I'm trying to write an official story here, though, so I need an official ruling. Any help is greatly appreciated. - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia With his mouth sewn shut, he still shakes his butt Cuz he's Hitler & Swayze & Trump & Travolta Smell. Sweat. Movement. Everyone's dancing. Disco. MR BUNGLE, "Quote Unquote" ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 97 00:02:33 EDT From: Moriah - Steve Jackson Games <73407.515@compuserve.com> Subject: IN> Janus/Ofanite Tethers Most likely they're mobile -- Amtrack car, lear jet, supermach fighter, the Love Boat. Capt. Merrill Stubing, Angel of the Love Boat, Ofanite Seneschal of Wind Ship's Doctor Adam Bricker, Mercurian Friend of Creation. (Songs of Healing) Yeoman-Purser Burl "Gopher" Smith, Cherub Vassal of Wind (lots of attunements toward passengers in need and their luggage) Cruise Director Judy McCoy (previous vessel and Roll as 'Julie' McCoy was destroyed in an unfortunate encounter with Nybbas), Angel of Light Entertainment, Mercurian Master of Destiny. Bartender Isaac Washington, secretly a Grigorian Friend of Wind. Vicki Stubing, Reliever of Wind.* The Love Boat Mermaids, 9 Soldiers of God, alternately possessed by two Kyriotates of Flowers. April Lopez (Charo), Angel of Coochie Coochie**, Ofanite Master of Flowers. ------ For fun, have your players be led to an adventure aboard a cruise liner and use the above characters, but only change the names so as not to give it away too quickly. They could be angels on the hunt for a rumor of a Grigori aboard; or, they could be demons sent to stop this ship from becoming a Tether of Janus. Peace, Moriah *As far as I know, I'm the first to think of that, so, I'll take credit for it. **The Seraphim Council to this day can not understand how they were convinced to give that out as a Word. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:11:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Thany Subject: IN> Quote of the day? "Faction is the demon of discord armed with power to do endless mischief, and intent only on destroying whatever opposes its progress. Woe to that state in which it has found entrance." - George Crabbe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:02:18 GMT+10 From: "Leathal Weapon" <938269@wrpc.riv.csu.edu.au> Subject: IN> New Demon (Powerful). Dear All, Okay, after my earlier post, I've decided to go and throw some numbers together. BE warned, this NPC is powerful, and it will take a lot of thought for PCs to take him down. After reading the responses on the subject I've still decided to make him a Calabim (Hell's greatest saddists), but thought that he needed to be attuned to his victims. Voila! Add the Celestial Song of Attraction. Let me know what you think. The original idea for the character is Copyright by Wes Craven (as far as I know). This interpretation is in no way intended as a challenge to that copyright, it is merely an example of my interpretation of how such a character would be translated into the world of In Nomine. Leath. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREDDY - CALABIM OF NIGHTMARES BARON OF SCREAMS. CORPOREAL 4 (Strength 9, Agility 8) ETHEREAL 5 (Intelligence 9, Precision 11) CELESTIAL 4 (Will 9, Perception 8) SKILLS: Acrobatics 2, Artistry (Blood/ Flesh) 4, Climbing 3, Detect Lies 2, Dodge 3, Emote 2, Escape 4, Fast-Talk 1, Fighting 4, Large Weapon 1, Lying 4, Move Silently 3, Seduction 1, Small Weapon 4, Tactics 1. SONGS: Celestial Song of Attraction 4, Corporeal Song of Charm 2, Ethereal Song of Charm 5, Celestial Song of Charm 2, Corporeal Song of Dreams 2, Ethereal Song of Dreams 6, Celestial Song of Dreams 6, Ethereal Song of Entropy 3, Celestial Song of Entropy 3, Corporeal Song of Form 1, Ethereal Song of Form 2, Celestial Song of Form 5, Ethereal Song of Light 3, Ethereal Song of Motion 4, Celestial Song of Motion 3, Song of Possession 3, Celestial Song of Shields 2, Numinous Corpus (all) 3. ATTUNEMENTS: Calabim of Nightmares, Impudite of Nightmares, Dream Walking, Terror, Baron of Screams, Scared to Death (Special, See Below). TALISMAN: Razor Glove (Small Weapon +2): This is Freddy's weapon of choice. It inspires terror in all who have heard of his reputation. By the use of 1 Essence the user may will it to enter the Corporeal realm. Note that it is always bound to Freddy, and anyone who wears it except him is subject to a Song of Possession roll with the check digit a negative modifier to their Will roll to resist. If failed, Freddy is summoned into that person and may use the vessel in any way he wishes from the next Round. BACKGROUND: Watch the first movie. Note that in the world of In Nomine, Freddy was never a human. His Roles in reality have always involved murder, mayhem and terror. His Discord manifests as ugly burn scars that are apparent on any form he takes. The only way Freddy may operate without these rather distinctive scars is by possessing another persons body. Note that Freddy loves to terrorise his victims, destroying everything they hold dear before finally killing them. Note that Freddy would normally be a noisy Celestial with his constant killing, but after decades of practice he has developed a special attunement (Scared to Death). This attunement acts similarly to a Role. If he causes the death of a human from within their dream, the act creates no Noise if at least one of the dice rolled (on D666) is less than his Ethereal Forces. Unfortunately, Freddy often gets too caught up in his work, and resorts to using the Corporeal realm to kill his victims friends and family. This of course creates a lot of noise. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Well there you have it. Leath. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 97 02:03:56 EDT From: Moriah - Steve Jackson Games <73407.515@CompuServe.COM> Subject: IN> What's in a Word? Remember that a Word is just a concept or thing. That concept or thing can exist just fine and nicely on its own without any Word-bound celestial interference, thank-you very much. When a celestial takes on a Word, they become metaphysically attuned to that concept or thing in their very nature. This gives them special new powers related to that concept or thing. This also gives them a mission -- to further the Word............. **for their Side of the War**. Marc is not interested in Trade for trade's sake. Trade is part of who he is, and he wants trade to be at the service of Good. There could well be a demon of Trade who has that concept of Trade making up part of who he or she is -- but that demon wants to further Trade for their own selfish/Evil end. The Word could be noble, good, neutral, harmful, or evil. And either angel or demon can take on any type of Word -- but they'll try to push the general use of that Word toward their Side of the War. After all, 'Swords' and 'War' aren't Good Things, and yet, there are two archangels who are trying to make those things serve the Side of God. 'Media' and 'Freedom' could be wonderful forces for the Good, and yet, there are two demon Superiors pushing them toward serving Evil. So, the Good Guys can take a bad Word and try to make it serve the Good and vice versa. Wonder what keeps these types of celestials from going (further) insane. Peace, Moriah <"I used to have demons in my room at night: Desire, Despair, Desire... so many monsters!"> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:40:05 +0000 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> pizza men in black On Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:13:34 -0700 Hollis McCray wrote: > At 12:27 PM 4/8/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Just what would it be like, if some {Illuminated} group or another took > >over dominoes pizza? > > > >Not saying they haven't, mind you. Which is why I always order local pizza > >(and the relative quality is not a factor at all... > Do you play Illuminati: New World Order? There's a card in the first > expansion set called "Pizza For The Secret Meeting". I thought you might > want to know.... > Hollis McCray > Madman at Large > email: Mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us > > > "No matter where you go, there you are." > -Buckaroo Banzai > No, no "gamer crack" for me. I avoid those card games, my wallet is thin as is... sorry... they look like fun but... Anyway, The idea of a Malakim of Judgement (as MIB) showing up at one's doorstep with a pizza in hand is, while humorous at a good distance, wouldn't be so funny if up close and personal. Sorry... :) That would be REALLY fightening... if only I were running a humor In Nomine campaign... (Yes, MIBs wear black underwear, but is it silk?) - -Perry Lloyd ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:40:05 +0000 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Corporeal corpses? On Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:42:44 +1100 "Patrick O'Duffy" wrote: > Hey kids. > > Just in the middle of a new IN short story, and I suddenly drew a > blank on a point: > When celestial vessels are killed, do they leave a corpse? > > After all, when celestials assume celestial form, the vessel vanishes, > and corporeal form is automatically assumed at point of death. However, > on p48 (roles), the rulebook mentions that if a vessel dies in public, > that vessel's Role is lost as well - which implies that a body is left > behind and people go, "yep, he's dead". > Personally, I'm for having the body dissipate, but that's a matter of > opinion. I'm trying to write an official story here, though, so I need > an official ruling. Any help is greatly appreciated. > > -- > Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia > > With his mouth sewn shut, he still shakes his butt > Cuz he's Hitler & Swayze & Trump & Travolta > Smell. Sweat. Movement. Everyone's dancing. > Disco. > > MR BUNGLE, "Quote Unquote" > I've had that question rattling around in my head, too. I decided that the vessels would "vanish". But, that was because no mundanes were around at the time. Plus, since the celestial was a MIB, if the body stayed there, some heavy weaponry would be left to those present, other celestials who really didn't need access to the equipment (clothes and equipment vanish, too). I guess one might roll against the celestial's Role to see how long the vessel sticks around. To make the Role is to have the body stay. Nasty for the characters/players. Losing a Role one invested points in isn't fun. Heaven and Hell can always find a new one for you I suppose, but that could wreck a campaign. DON'T DIE, I guess... I've been wondering, if you lose a Vessel, after climbing out of Trauma, do you get a new one for "free" character points wise, or do you have to pay out of your pocket? I suppose your Superior would give you another one on a trial basis... - -Perry Lloyd ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 04:13:20 -0500 From: Carmen Clemons Subject: Re: IN> questions Perry Lloyd wrote: > I have encountered such folks in real life. Far too perceptive > without the stability to aid them in understanding what they are > seeing. This would account for all sorts of "ghost stories", tales > of "Demons" in the night. Any of you see dark, shadowly figures out > of the corner of your eye? :) Especially at night? The things I'll own up to at 4:15 in the morning...at night, when I'm driving after being up _far_ too long, yes. However, I've always assumed those guys in the hooded robes on the side of the road were just my happy little subconscious's way of telling me to wake up, because I was starting to fall asleep at the wheel. *shrug* It always worked. - --Carmen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 04:34:37 -0500 From: tom timberlake Subject: Re: Tethers of the Wind... (Re: IN> Principalities) ok, let's see if i can put this right--when i said loaned, i had more in mind the "angels with different Superiors working together" model used as the basis for the formation of a gaming group and not the sort of assignment that would cause that rule to be invoked (angelic Superiors aren't the only things/beings invoked--murphy's law for example, or gravity) thus defeating the whole purpose of getting someone else's angel to guard the Tether. i still think gargoyles tied to Janus makes the most sense if you can find/make any. my main sticking point is the stonesleep during daylight hours that is an integral part of not making Goliath et.al. into Superman clones. of course you as gm don't have to use the stonesleep that was designed into the TV series. the 2nd or 3rd season episode "Bushido" also suggests a means of getting around the 12-hour naps the gargoyles take every day. i would like to hear any other suggestions y'all can come up with regarding protectors for Janus' Tethers. oh well--cross my fingers and wait for replies. clean wing feathers and clear skies, Tom. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:45:54 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Frederick Subject: IN> Angel of Garden Statuary Dear List Watching TV the last few days I have been seeing an ad for this week's episode of Goosebumps, a teen-horror show, which seemed to revolve around the idea that garden gnomes were creatures of evil hiding amongst us. Inspired to remove this slur on the good name of our garden watching friends I came up with the following. Duranthane, Kyriotate of David, Angel of Garden Statuary "To watch over and to protect." A long time ago a young kyriotate serving the Archangel David was assigned to protect a community from harm, both diabolic and mundane. With the help of other servitors of David he convinced the community that they could gain protection from the perils of the physical and spiritual world by making small guardian figures in the shapes of animals and people. With a special attunement granted to him by David he took up residence in the figurines and fulfilled his task of watching over the community. Rumours of that safe haven and their guardian figures spread across the world, prompting other communities to make similar figurines. Other kyriotates approached Duranthane requesting to become his servitors and protect other communities as he had done. The ranks of his followers grew until he was awarded his Word. All of Duranthane's Celestial Servitors are kyriotates, for reasons that will become obvious. Dissonance - due to their very specialised nature Servitors of the Angel of Garden Statuary may gain dissonance by two methods. First, a servitor of the Angel of Garden Statuary gains dissonance when ever the community he is assigned or has chosen to protect comes under attack (referee's decision) without him making all efforts to protect it. Second, one point of dissonance for each day spent possessing a host other than a piece of garden or architectural ornamentation. Attunement - Duranthane provides his Servitors with only one attunement, which Duranthane has improved on since David originally gave it to him. Servitors of Garden Statuary can inhabit as hosts any piece of garden or architectural ornamentation. They may inhabit a statue for up to 10 minutes times their Celestial forces, but not animate it, unless the statue is a figure of a person or animal of less than 3 feet in height or length (which ever is greater). If inhabiting a 3 foot or less figure of a person or animal the Angel may possess the figure for Check Digit of their Resonance Roll in days. They may animate the "guardian figure", treating them as level 1 vessels if made of wood, plaster, concrete or metal, level 2 if made of stone. A Servitor of the Angel of Garden Statuary gains no dissonance for damage to a such a vessel while actively defending his assigned or chosen community. Rites - due to their very specialised role Servitors of the Angel of Garden Statuary have access to only one rite. To regain one essence spend 12 hours possessing your full capacity of guardian figures without animating any. Celestial Relations - Duranthane is seen by most to be a stalwart and solid, if slightly odd, defender of God's Plan, particularly by David, Lawrence and Michael. He gets on quite well with Novalis, because of their common interest in gardens. He and Eli are cordial, but Duranthane continues to resist Eli's suggestions as to "more interesting" garden statuary. Personality - Duranthane is very directed for a Kyriotate. He takes his job very seriously, all the more so for it's seeming ludicrousness in a modern world. He knows that many do not feel that the Choir of **Possessors** does it's part at the front lines of the War and feels partly responsible to hold up his fellow Kyriotates reputation on that score. He provides his Servitors with a relatively large amount of support, often dropping in for a chat without being summoned, but accepts few excuses for failure. Associated Organisations - due to the effectiveness of Duranthane's servitors many diabolic agents have been forced to recruit "gnome-knapping" teams who remove possible hosts of an Angel of Garden Statuary from a locality before any action takes place there. Duranthane has also recruited a corp of highly loyal gnome-knappers who provide alibis for gnomes lost in action or taken by diabolic forces, often sending the gnome's owners reassuring letters accompanied by carefully posed photos of a stand-in gnome at various easily identifiable places far from the lost gnome's home. Summoning - Base Chance 3, Duranthane is interestd in his Servitors, but is very busy. +1 in a garden +2 an appropriate host figurine +3 an appropriate host figurine more than 100 years old +4 an appropriate host figurine more than 1000 years old Hope you like it, thanking you for your indulgence Yours Peter. Email to peterf@geko.net.au "Whoso loveth God truely must not expect to be loved by Him in return." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:12:44 -0500 From: rbeall@fdldotnet.com (Grim88) Subject: Re: IN> Elohim of Destiny Resonance >I think you need to roll the whole schmere, so that you can check for >Divine/Diabolical Intervention... Either that, or use Eth Forces >as the "default" CD? Your game, of course, so you get to >decide whether you want to roll for Interventions. (Maybe you only >roll the other two if it comes up a 1 or a 6?) > I never thought of Intervention. I guess i will have to roll for that too, but ignore if it is a normal failure. One question: would a Opposing Intervention cancel out a roll that will "Always Succeed"? Just want to say, that today I bought a die to be my official check digit. It was $4.95 and is HUGE! Gots to roll it on the floor. Don't want to scuff table. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:49:01 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: Tethers of the Wind again (Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #109) On Apr 3, 4:14pm, Joseph R. Watt wrote: > Subject: Re: Tethers of the Wind again (Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1 > Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > > Oh, *cool*! I hadn't thought of that. You could make it a train, > > too ("I'm the train they call the City of New Orleans"), or > > a plane, or a space shuttle.... Or a Grayhound bus, or *anything* > > that doesn't stay put! Oh, I *like* that idea! > > Have you ever ridden on the City of New Orleans? It hardly seems like > tether material. Is there a Demon Prince of boredom, insomnia, or > snow-on-the-tracks? According to rumor and hearsay, New Orleans is awful most of the year (except for the food...). Foggy, run down, entirely too many professional drinkers, a huge crime rate, smelly (it's a damp lowland area, it can't really help it) and generally unfun. On the other hand, Mardi Gras is held there. Suits me. ;) But back to In Nomine! Though the tether rules aren't set in stone (hell, they aren't even set in jello, yet... remember that patience is a virtue), I think it might be possible that a tether might have 'potential' for existence and is only rejuvinated once a year with all the revelers (hell, they must be spending TONS of essence on those days...) ;) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:03:42 -0500 (CDT) From: rogue@ez-net.com (RogueLdr) Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #111 > >I have encountered such folks in real life. Far too perceptive >without the stability to aid them in understanding what they are >seeing. This would account for all sorts of "ghost stories", tales >of "Demons" in the night. Any of you see dark, shadowly figures out >of the corner of your eye? :) Especially at night? Yep, every single time the IRS has audited me. >>David: >>Oh yes, there's also going to be an Angel's and >>a Demon's players guide each, too. What's going to be in those? >>Moriah? > > It's a RPG designed to allow celestial gamers to RP mundane humans. > > >Peace, > >Moriah Very funny. Released the same time as IN ANIME, I imagine? ;) >My only player happens to be an Elohim of Destiny. What i planned to do in >teh above circumstance was to roll ONLY the check digit. That way, it would >always succeed like it should, but the degree of success would be more random. >What do other people think? Good idea. But you might want to roll all three dice anyway, just to check for Intervention. - -Rogue, He Who *Adores* Intervention Rolls ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:02:07 -0400 From: Hatcher Rhanyr Subject: Re: IN> Bodhi's Cult Adventure Seed Responses... I know that some people can take things very seriously, but might I remind you that this is a game. Don't get so serious about everything. BTW remember that as a GM, you have the final say on if something is used or not. Just to add my two cents on this Adventure Seed.... As a child of a member of an sales organization that will remain unnamed, I know all too well how "Network Marketing" works. I thought it was pretty cute. I don't know if I'll use it or not but that's beside the point. As another point, I enjoy Bodhi's posting's and think that quite a few of them "challenge" what we think we know of the real world. Keep up the good work Bodhi!!! Hatcher - -- ************************************** _< >_ * Hatcher Rhanyr * / \0/ \ * "The Angel of Bright Shiney Teeth" * /_/| |\_\ * * / \ ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:04:06 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> pizza men in black > > Anyway, > The idea of a Malakim of Judgement (as MIB) showing up at one's > doorstep with a pizza in hand is, while humorous at a good distance, > wouldn't be so funny if up close and personal. > > Sorry... :) > > That would be REALLY fightening... if only I were running a humor In > Nomine campaign... (Yes, MIBs wear black underwear, but is it silk?) Of course, it's silk, but actually all their underwear is green. In fact, everything that you can't see is green. Actually, _your_ underwear is green when you aren't looking at it... -john 'The truth is under there' karakash- - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:25:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Glimmer Man Subject: Re: IN> God, the Tao, and "Is anybody up there?" >What if perhaps God is not merely a reflection of the beliefs of >humanity but is instead a power much like the Tao? Moving, not >personified? > >- -Perry Good point. In a way, this seems to "feel" closer to what the IN book suggests in the short caption on God. If I read much more about God as a reflection of humanity's beliefs (or Yves's, for that matter), or take a closer look at the section on the "old gods'" claim that they were _demoted_ to spirit status; well, maybe I should do some tinkering on an In Nomine/Mage crossover after all... > What if God doesn't exist? Someone posted a campaign idea a while back > wherein the Seraphim Council is concealing the fact that God is *dead*. So > maybe the Angels are acting on their own after all...? > > -Rogue, who *adores* theological discussion but can never seem to get > anyone to partake in them anymore Sort of brings up the question of exactly _what_ happens on a divine intervention roll, no? Of course, it also goes a long way toward explaining why, in the course of two game sessions, the interventions have been Diabolical:6, Divine:0. And no, the dice _aren't_ loaded; these are the same 3d6 that are responsible for some of the worst AD&D characters in recorded history. So- if the IN God is dead/retired/out partying with Eli/whatever, where does that leave our old acquaintance, the demon-formerly-known-as- "light bringer"? How long _can_ a bunch of Seraphim keep Lucifer from hearing about the wake of his old employer? -Heath Reynolds (hareyn01@morehead-st.edu) "Though my heart burns like fire, my eyes are cold as dead ashes." -Soyen Shaku ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 12:24 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Corporeal corpses? > When celestial vessels are killed, do they leave a corpse? I think Derek or Moriah answered this one a while ago, when the "Dream" stories were being discussed. If I remember right, the answer was that a "dead" vessel vanishes -- and there was some handwaving about Charlie in the story not being dead yet, just dying. Obviously the notion of "dying but not dead" is outside the current rules, but well within the spirit of IN. Sounds like a FAQ question, maybe? - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 12:45 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> pizza men in black [johnk:] >> That would be REALLY fightening... if only I were running a humor In >> Nomine campaign... (Yes, MIBs wear black underwear, but is it silk?) > > Of course, it's silk, but actually all their underwear >is green. In fact, everything that you can't see is green. >Actually, _your_ underwear is green when you aren't looking at it... I think we've got a classic case of possession by a Shedim of Kobal here... or maybe it's just that John needs a vacation. - ---Walter "Never ascribe actions to celestial intervention, when human insanity is a more likely explanation." -- anonymous Elohite ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:43:55 -0400 From: Hatcher Rhanyr Subject: IN> Lycanthropes A friend and I were discussing an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer (yes there is a show out now based on the movie, but much cooler than the movie). In this episode it was discussing animal possession. Now I don't mean that the diamantic collar is an animal possession (heheheheh couldn't help myself). This got me thinking about werewolves and such. So here's a few thoughts I've put together. **************** Lycanthropes- Certain humans have at times been able to assume animal form. This "disease" dates back to shamanic practices where the Spirit of an animal would overcome a warrior and he would take on characteristics of that animal. However true lycanthropy is not a disease. What modern philosophers, who are aware of celestials have deduced is that lycanthropes are at least partially celestial in nature. These children are believed to be the offspring of servitors of Jordi. Neither human, celestial or animal. Much like a angel taking on celestial form, lycanthorpes can assume a specific animal form with a Successful Will Roll. In animal form, lycanthropes appear to be unusually large versions of the animal they can assume. [In game mechanics I would see Lycanthropes as possessing 6 forces. In order for a lycanthrope to assume his/her animal form he/she must expend 2 points of essence, plus make a successful Will Roll. Note that Lycanthropes can only change into one specific type of animal (i.e. wolf, bear, rat, etc). This transformation takes Check Digit rounds. All lycanthropes possess the Song of Healing (Corporeal)/1. However this song is always performed when they transform back into human form. They can't perform this song at any other time.] ************** If anyone has any ideas on this please feel free to comment. Hatcher Rhanyr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:05:21 +-200 From: Jo Hart Subject: IN> Principalities (and Egyptians) >Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 11:03:21 -0400 >From: "Kirt A. Dankmyer -- aka Loki" >Subject: Re: IN> Principalities >At 09:33 AM 4/8/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Perhaps God obliterated the Angel of Egypt for reasons related to >>the difference between patriotism and nationalism. If that angel >>had been doing its job properly, it would have been working on >>Pharaoh to let the Children of Israel go and do the right thing, >>not just taking the Egpytian side in a military conflict. >It's an interesting one, though. Perhaps, at that moment, the Angel of >Egypt Fell. God, being more interventionist in those days, chose to >disintegrate him rather than deal with a Demon of Egypt walking around. OK, now this is a story that I do remember having been told (the other one about the Egyptians at the Red Sea is that every single one of them was drowned except for the Pharoah, who repented once he had seen the full power of God, and begged for forgiveness. The story goes that he was given another chance and was returned to earth as the King of Nineveh (who dealt with Jonah) - in that case the King did listen to the prophet and change his ways ...). The story goes that the conflict on earth was mirrored in heaven, and the archangel Michael was sent to bring the angel of the Egyprians before the divine throne to answer for his disobedience (the idea being that his job was to watch over the Egyptians, but when a genuine prophet came before them, he was supposed to acknowledge the will of God, his creator). Traditionally since then, Michael is the angel who watches over the Jewish people (not very well, IMO but there you go), which is why Mr Marks picked him as the logo for Mar! ks and Spencer (Marks & Spencer is a chain of shops in the UK, for those who don't know, and its trademark is St Michael). Does In Nomine have rules for prophets (mortals who speak the word of God)? (I've only flicked through a friend's copy.. still trying to locate one myself) Angels in Jewish myth are slightly different from the standard Christian explanations (or at least, this is what I was told ;) Its all non-canon), in that each one is supposed to be created to perform one specific task and when that task is done, it returns to God and gives up its individuality. Only the most significant/ powerful angels ever get names (never mind words :) ). The same doesn't hold for demons who are rebellious by definition and refused to give up their selves when their angelic tasks were completed. jo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:14:02 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> pizza men in black On Apr 10, 12:45pm, Walter Milliken wrote: > Subject: Re: IN> pizza men in black > [johnk:] > >> That would be REALLY fightening... if only I were running a humor In > >> Nomine campaign... (Yes, MIBs wear black underwear, but is it silk?) > > > > Of course, it's silk, but actually all their underwear > >is green. In fact, everything that you can't see is green. > >Actually, _your_ underwear is green when you aren't looking at it... > > I think we've got a classic case of possession by a Shedim of Kobal > here... or maybe it's just that John needs a vacation. Mmmmmmm... vacation... <*drool*>... ;) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #112 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1996 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.