From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri May 16 20:27:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16966 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 20:27:09 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA16157 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 19:09:07 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 19:09:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199705170009.TAA16157@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #173 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, May 16 1997 Volume 01 : Number 173 In this digest: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #172 IN> A few sins RE: IN> A new Superior.... sort of IN> Angels for everything IN> Figuring Disturbance Re: IN> Essence and the nature of reality Re: IN> Angels for everything Re: IN> Celestial Disturbances IN> KYD 14 IN>Seven Deadly Suns [none] Re: IN> Roles Re: IN> Some questions Re: IN> Malakim Honour Re: IN>Still yet another kyriotate question Re: IN> the law of threes... Re: IN>Seven Deadly Suns Re: IN> Some questions Re: IN>Still yet another kyriotate question Re: IN>Seven Deadly Suns Re: IN> Some questions Re: IN>Still yet another kyriotate question Re: IN>Seven Deadly Suns Re: IN> Sharing Identities IN> Character: K.K., Lilim of Dark Humor Re: IN> A new Superior.... sort of IN> Re: The Official Archangel of Children What is Eli doing? (Re: IN> Essence and the nature of reality) Re: IN> A few sins IN> IN: ArchAngels of Myer-Briggs Re: IN> Some questions Re: IN> Sharing Identities IN> subscribing Re: IN> Character: K.K., Lilim of Dark Humor Re: IN>Still yet another kyriotate question Re: IN>Seven Deadly Suns ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 07:51:53 -0500 (CDT) From: rogue@ez-net.com (RogueLdr) Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #172 > > Do you ever wonder if SJG listens to you? I mean, >beyond the usual phonetaps and opened letters? Well, the answer >is yes and you can let yourself be heard in the In Nomine >survey. Just point your favorite browser over at >http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/survey.html > [snip Ultimus Maximus, Archangel Of Munchkins] >Hmm, it would be nice if you get figure out his name :) > >> Ultimus, the Archangel of Munchkins >, and; > > Maximus, Archangel of Munchkins, > >Leath. Whooopsie.... his name is supposed to be Ultimus Maximus. My mistake. ;) - -Rogue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:02:21 +0100 From: Niall Teasdale Subject: IN> A few sins Hi all, For those looking for a few things for demons to promote, or for angels to stop happening, the book of Leviticus is a wonderful source of inspiration. Leviticus 20 is the best bit. A few examples: Death is the punishment for: Cursing your parents, Adultery, Incest, Homosexuality and lesbianism, Bestiality, Wizardry, Ownership of a familiar spirit. Exile is for: Looking upon the nakedness of your close relatives, Seeing a woman's body while she is menstruating. Leviticus 19 bans herbaceous borders, since you aren't allowed to plant the seeds of different species in the same field. I believe that there's also a passage banning the mixing of different kinds of thread in the same garments, so Mercurians will have to stop wearing those designer clothes! For those interested in discovering what angels can and cannot eat, it's in Leviticus 11. BTW. In the "Deluge" adventure seed I read in the In Nomine Collection, it states that homosexuality was the Sin of Sodom. This isn't actually the case, the Sin of Sodom was being nasty to strangers (inhospitality). For those who wish to flame me on this one, the source is the Bible. Niall. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 97 13:37:27 UT From: "Kurt White" Subject: RE: IN> A new Superior.... sort of Ultimus, the Archangel of Munchkins Plus Sight- Angels with Plus Sight can automatically tell what weapon will give them the most plusses in a given situation. All Servitors of Ultimus must purchae this attunement upon creation. I thought this should read *equipment* rather than weapon, get those plusses streaming in! :) Hope you like 'im! Love Ultimus, but he gives me some scary ideas Bwahahahaaa - -Kurt Balseraph of whoever's Listening ------------------------------ Date: 16 May 97 10:04:12 EDT From: Moriah - Steve Jackson Games <73407.515@compuserve.com> Subject: IN> Angels for everything >Earl: >Your missing "third side" might be Maintenance -- those angels >mostly busy with implementing natural law. You just deconstructed Natural Law, you... you... Voluntarist! You... you... Animist! You... you... Pantheist! Peace, Moriah ;) ------------------------------ Date: 16 May 97 10:04:17 EDT From: Moriah - Steve Jackson Games <73407.515@compuserve.com> Subject: IN> Figuring Disturbance Here's a mechanical summary of the Disturbance mechanics that I made for myself. Hope it's helpful. - - The amount of Disturbance is called the Perception Modifier (PM), since it is a bonus to a Perception Roll to 'hear' the Disturbance. - - There is a range penalty to the PM called the Range Modifier (RM). - Within the Basic Range (BR), the RM is 0. For each BR past the first, the RM increases by 1. a) The BR is (Celestial Forces X PM) yards b) So, the actual figure of the RM is the yards away divided by the BR always rounding down. - - The Perception Roll to hear a Disturbance is (Perception + PM) - (RM) = (Perception + PM) - [ROUND_DOWN(Distance / (Celestial Forces X PM))] ======== So, if the "average angel" (3 Forces each, 6 Characteristic Levels each) was 100 yds away from a human killed by a demon causing 13 notes of Disturbance... Perception is 6. The PM is 13. The Distance is 100 The Celestial Forces is 3. (6 + 13) - (100 / (3 X 13)) = 17 (Automatically heard) At a distance of 500, the Perception Roll would be at 7 (50% chance of hearing). At a distance of 1000, the Perception Roll is -6 (not heard at all). Peace, Moriah ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:23:14 -0500 From: tom timberlake Subject: Re: IN> Essence and the nature of reality the mention of God losing reminds me of the witch cackling at the demise of Aslan--there's a larger game where Aslan wins in spite of appearing to lose. James, Stone Malakim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 11:09:13 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Angels for everything "Pantheist" might be a little strong, but the other charges stick. And so? I thought the Talmud sais somewhere there was an angel for each blade of grass, urging it to grow. And I think I read that in an "Angels in the Architecture" article in Pyramid. Can't be VERY heretical... Earl (who appreciates the joys of finding applications for arcane education) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:45:34 -0700 (MST) From: shadocat@primenet.com (Jeff Miller) Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Disturbances >>Not really, once a Celestial has been spotted, it's easy enough to keep tabs >>on him. Find out what he's after, and then plot against his goal. (for >>those of a more subtle nature) > >It's GM option whether the disturbance traces to the location or the >celestial doing the disturbing. Unless the disturbance is caused by >something done to the celestial himself (like a numinus corpus or going >celestial), I'd generally link the disturbance to a location. As to >spotting a celestial, you can distinguish the person who caused it while >the disturbance is still echoing, but after that, it is very difficult to >spot a celestial, much less tell which side he's on. > My point is that Celestials may flock to the area and may catch the Celestial with his Echo still on. If so, the new arival may not take immediate action. Also, if they arive on the scene and can't tell who caused it, they may just consider everyone present under suspicion. How would *your* angel feel if a random innocent was targed by demons simply because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time? >>True, but once you've got *a* ratio for a city, you can calculate the chance >>that a disturbance is noticed in a random part of a random city. Rather >>than being location specific and requireing the GM to come up with the power >>structure for each city, it gives the GM a number to roll against. > > Is such a thing possible? ;) > YES. I've learned a long time ago that *every* time I plan something to that detail you lot go off somewhere else! >>I see it as a way to modify Pauls system to take into account the chance of >>a high CelF Celestial being in (or wandering through) the area. >> >>Hmmm.... If it gets slow, I'll try to work up a table for discussion. > >All you have to do is use the celestials per square mile table I posted a >couple days ago. Look about a dozen messages back in this thread, or I can >send you a copy. > I kept a copy of it. -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:07:50 -0400 From: Adam Canning Subject: IN> KYD 14 Message text written by INTERNET:in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Nobody had pointed this out as of the end of digest v1-#165, so I just wanted to mention that Litheroy's Know Your Diabolicals info didn't mention the attitude held by the Archangel of Revelations toward the Servitors of Technology. < Congratulations Auguste Yoou have now become a Vassal of Inquiry Missing from KYD 14 Vapula: Watch them they have lots of tricks in their bag [ Brain Hacking Included ]but they help our ends as well as hinder. The humans believe Roger Cook and Micheal Moore more than they believe the tabloids. Television is the best way to expose the truth available. If you have to fight them talk to Orc first. Adam Dahak@Compuserve.com De 4:2 Ye shall not add to the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [aught] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 11:40:39 -0700 From: "J.D. Frazer" Subject: IN>Seven Deadly Suns Hey all, I've seen two different versions of the 7DS. Both have six sins in common, namely: Wrath Sloth Lust Avarice Envy Pride Where they differ are in one sin: Gluttony *or* Falsehood. Anyone know what Bible canon is? Or were the 7DS defined by the Churches? jd J.D. Frazer jd@paralynx.com Content Development Guy ParaLynx Internet "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:42:43 -0400 (EDT) From: gibsonc@NKU.EDU Subject: [none] does anybody know the choir attunments and/or servitor attunments for the arcangel of children? jahon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:51:07 -0400 (EDT) From: gibsonc@nku.edu Subject: Re: IN> Roles in this argument over roles i have to say part of the fun of role playing is making the shit up. let your players decide how they obtained a role at each level. don't let them follow strict rules that allow no room for their individuality, that's what video games are for. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 12:08:14 -0700 (MST) From: shadocat@primenet.com (Jeff Miller) Subject: Re: IN> Some questions >> That's something I'd been meaning to ask about. Say a Kyriotate with 10 >> forces takes possession of two mundanes with 5 forces. Is there any limit to >> how far apart the two mundanes can travel? > > Nope. Scary, ain't it? If you start talking inter-planetary >or inter-system distances, I may reconsider. > But I doubt it. ;) > > Can a Celestial manifist itself on a planet where there are no humans? "I've always wondered what the rings looked like from the inside...." -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 18:53:36 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> Malakim Honour On Fri, 16 May 1997 18:07:00 +1000 (EST), Peter Frederick wrote: >>Note also on that page, "...all the Malakim demand from their servants and >>their peers is discipline and respect." No mention of adhering to their >>stardard of honor. Malakim'd like them to, but they don't get dissonance >>from them not doing so. > >Uhuh, but the passage further down says "Each Malakite has his own seperate >code of honor, based on his personal principles of right and wrong, that he >expects those around him to follow - which can make meeting a new Malakim >very interesting." Note the difference of "demand" in the first quote and "expects" in the second. > I take this to mean that each Malakim judges whether you >are a good person or not on how you measure up to HIS Code. All will look >down on you for not doing everythiung you can to remove Evil and if you >surrender to the Forces of Darkness, but one might think someone who shoots >an unarmed assailant is a balck hearted cad, while the next thinks he is >just being sensible. Yes, I think "expects" could be read two ways. One is that he'll look down on you, though that doesn't mean he'll necessarily do anything about it. Another is that Malakim are essentially egoists not really able to appreciate values other than their own, perpetually a bit naive about others' motivations. >Definately agree with the need for Malakim to be stand up guys. No Rules >Lawyers need apply :) Exactly. > It is one of the things I think is not considered enough. Newly >created Angels, or those with no experience of the Corporeal Plane may find >it to be confusing and while they may be "briefed" by a Superior, it could >still be a steep learning curve for the uninitiated. Lots of chances for a >few giggles :) . Good point. I keep thinking of celestials as transformed dead mortals, but that isn't a canonical view. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 12:08:37 -0700 (MST) From: shadocat@primenet.com (Jeff Miller) Subject: Re: IN>Still yet another kyriotate question ><< > That's something I'd been meaning to ask about. Say a Kyriotate with 10 > > forces takes possession of two mundanes with 5 forces. Is there any limit >to > > how far apart the two mundanes can travel? > > Nope. Scary, ain't it? If you start talking inter-planetary > or inter-system distances, I may reconsider. > But I doubt it. ;) > >> >Hee hee hee hee....so tell me, if I possess four cats and locate them in >different time zones does that mean I can regenerate essence at sunrise four >times in one "day"? > Hmmm.... Just when *is* sunrise if you're spread all over the country. (or different planets for that matter) This may actually come up since my Ky. might end up with birds all over the place. Maybe the first one that hits a sunrise? Using Greenwich Mean Time as the base for settling which host is "first." -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 12:08:26 -0700 (MST) From: shadocat@primenet.com (Jeff Miller) Subject: Re: IN> the law of threes... >> >Heh... this reminds me. In all this talk about which various pagan gods >> >are aligned with who, I wonder where *Eris* wound up. >> > >> >(Hey, I could see Janus or Gabriel taking her in... or Lilith. ;) >> > >> Or Eli? After all, she *creates* discord and stagnation stunts creativity. > >More than that, in the Principia Discordia, it's actually stated that >there's two axes of conflict in the world: order vs. disorder and creation >vs. destruction. Humans have typically fixated on 'order vs. disorder' as >the major good vs. evil one, accepting both creative and destructive order >as good and calling both creative and destructive disorder bad. The >Principia encourages people to make the other distinction - creative order >and disorder are good, and destructive order and disorder are bad. > >I can't see Eris really agreeing to serve Eli. I can't see her serving him either but I don't see him caring much about that. >But I *really* can see the >two of them getting together for coffee on Earth every now and then... > I can just picture the scene.... They're in a coffee shop having a nice layed back conversation. In one corner there's a Charub of Ives watching someone on stage reciting poetry; someone with a bright future. In come a pack of Kronos' and Kybbas' demons who are here to see that the poet never becomes the social/cultural force he's destined to become. Poor demons. Their first indication that this is just not going to be their day is when they start fighting amongst themselves. Then things well get *really* interesting.... -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 15:40:52 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN>Seven Deadly Suns The traditional seventh deadly sin is Gluttony, not Falsehood. They are not in the Bible. If I recall correctly, they were first enumerated by Pope Gregory (number forgotten). What distinguishes these sins from all sorts of other things that are really awful sins (e.g. cruelty or falsehood) is that they are all MOTIVES. If you are cruel, you are presumably cruel for a reason. It may be that it is the easiest path to take (Sloth), or you wish to dominate your victim (Pride), or to take what is theirs so you can have it (Avarice), or take what is theirs so they canNOT have it (Envy), or because you are angry at them (Wrath), or because it gives you a kinky sexual thrill (Lust). This whole system is handy and traditional, but not part of anyone's doctrine, so far as I know. Probably the pie of iniquity did not need to be sliced into seven parts -- it would probably be easy to multiply sins by making distinctions within the classic Seven, or considering combinations of them -- but of course the classical and medieval worlds loved sevens. Dorothy L. Sayers, in an essay titled "The Other Six Deadly Sins" (since Lust apparently leaps to everyone's minds immediately), distinguished four "cold-hearted" sins (Pride, Avarice, Envy, Sloth) and three "warm-hearted" sins (Lust, Wrath, Gluttony). The cold sins are generally pursued with more deliberation and calculation than the warm, which are more spur-of-the-moment. The Seven Splendid Virtues, by the way, are the Three Theological Virtues, Faith, Hope, and Charity (or Love), of which the greatest is Charity, and the Four Cardinal Virtues, Justice, Courage, Wisdom, and Temperance. The Three Theological Virtues are specifically from Christianity, the writings of Paul in particular. The Four Cardinal Virtues are from the ethical theories of classical antiquity, Aristotle, I think. Earl Wajenberg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 15:56:56 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Some questions Jeff Miller wrote: "Can a Celestial manifist itself on a planet where there are no humans? '"I've always wondered what the rings looked like from the inside...."' Why not? Sounds restful. The only two snags I can see are (1) having to bring breathing equipment, since I gather vessels have to breathe, even if they don't have to eat, drink, or sleep, and (2) avoiding flak from a superior that doesn't want you to knock off. In his Space Trilogy, "Out of the Silent Planet," "Perelandra," and "That Hideous Strength," C. S. Lewis presented the solar system as full of angellic life, most of it in deep space. The ones on Earth are a special warrior caste, concerned with combating their fallen brethren (limited in territory to the orbit of the Moon). Earl Wajenberg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 13:23:48 -0700 From: Rob Coon Subject: Re: IN>Still yet another kyriotate question Jeff Miller wrote: > >Hee hee hee hee....so tell me, if I possess four cats and locate them > in > >different time zones does that mean I can regenerate essence at > sunrise four > >times in one "day"? > > > Hmmm.... > > Just when *is* sunrise if you're spread all over the country. (or > different > planets for that matter) This may actually come up since my Ky. might > end > up with birds all over the place. > > Maybe the first one that hits a sunrise? Using Greenwich Mean Time as > the > base for settling which host is "first." > > -- Jeff Actually, this little detail could become a problem with some players; i.e. Joe the Angel manages to wangle himself a plane, and decides to outrun daybreak a few times. I'd say that sunrise (sunset/noon/whatever) for a being occurs when they first experience it within, say, 20 hours. This means, sure, a Celestial can cheat the system a little -- but what are the chances your Superior isn't going to wonder what the h*** you are doing, meandering all about, when you have a _job_ to do. Especially when they've given you some perfectly good Rites. Celestials aren't usually allowed to wander about without restrictions... Of course, Outcasts and Renegades might have an advantage in this way as well -- with a lot of planning, if they need to store Essence more quickly for some reason, well, they can, to a degree. Of course, travelling uninterrupted that quickly may be a trick in and of itself... Rob Coon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:25:26 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN>Seven Deadly Suns I just did a Web-surf to check, and yes, the list of Seven Deadly Sins was composed by Pope Gregory the Great, born 540, elected 590, died 604. So the list is pretty old. Earl Wajenberg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:27:05 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Some questions > Can a Celestial manifist itself on a planet where there are no humans? > > "I've always wondered what the rings looked like from the inside...." Why not? If God in your campaign is, indeed, infinite and is merely messing with humans for some ineffable reasons of His own, then an angel can go as far as they can manage. Of course, your Superior might get annoyed as you go off kiyoodling all over Creation... If, however, your 'God' is more limited and dependent on those humans for power and existance, then an angel moving away from this 'Essence-field' might experience tremendous difficulties. I prefer to take the first option. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:21:42 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN>Still yet another kyriotate question On May 16, 1:51am, Calabim@aol.com wrote: > Subject: Re: IN>Still yet another kyriotate question > In a message dated 97-05-15 20:07:24 EDT, you write: > > << > That's something I'd been meaning to ask about. Say a Kyriotate with 10 > > forces takes possession of two mundanes with 5 forces. Is there any limit > to > > how far apart the two mundanes can travel? > > Nope. Scary, ain't it? If you start talking inter-planetary > or inter-system distances, I may reconsider. > But I doubt it. ;) > >> > Hee hee hee hee....so tell me, if I possess four cats and locate them in > different time zones does that mean I can regenerate essence at sunrise four > times in one "day"? All vessels after the first start exploding as the sunrise-line touches them. Meeeeeooooowww-BOOM! Just kidding. Nope, only 1 essence based around whichever vessel suits the GM most. I, personally, would start with the one that has the most forces or, if this could be multiple vessels, the one that would get the essence soonest. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:54:50 -0400 From: John Maurer Subject: Re: IN>Seven Deadly Suns At 11:40 AM 5/16/97 -0700, J.D. Frazer wrote: >Hey all, > >I've seen two different versions of the 7DS. Both have six sins in common, >namely: > >Wrath >Sloth >Lust >Avarice >Envy >Pride > >Where they differ are in one sin: Gluttony *or* Falsehood. I have always seen Gluttony. Where did you see falsehood? >Anyone know what >Bible canon is? Or were the 7DS defined by the Churches? There is no Bible canon on this one. I believe it was St. Augustine (whom I lovingly refer to as "The Anal Retentive Saint" along with St. Aquinas) who made this list and many others. If I had my catechism here I could give you some other nifty lists such as: Sins that Cry Out to Heaven for Vengance!, the Seven Cardinal Virtues, Number of years in purgatory for given offences, etc. I think the only lists of nifty things in the Bible are a) Things that love is (Love is Always Patient, etc. Etc.) and b) The fruits of the spirit (prophesy, speaking in tongues, the like) If only we had a roman catholic priest who could help us answer these questions... Speaks "I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy - - but that could change." -- U.S. Vice President Dan Quayle, 5/22/89 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:29:57 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Sharing Identities At 8:56 AM -0400 5/14/97, Kirt A. Dankmyer -- aka Loki wrote: >>time. Which basically means that if you haven't seen your bud in >>celestial form, you have no way of knowing if he's human, celestial, >>ethereal, or *what*... Let alone what side he's on. > >Well, if you're a Seraph, you can at least know if your "bud" is lying to >you when he says, "Yeah, sure, I'm a Malakim, really." > -Loki, who doesn't understand why his players don't like Seraphs Heh. If you think you're talking to a Seraph, never, ever, state something that's "fact" or opinion. Always ask questions (some retorical, sure), shrug a lot, and keep your mouth shut. But yes, with clever use of questions and resonance, a Seraph can eventually quizz out just about anything. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:31:23 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Character: K.K., Lilim of Dark Humor "If you kill me, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!" Kanah (meaning "of reeds)" -- commonly known as "Kay," "K.K.," or "Kamakazi" to her friends -- is a up and coming Lilim of Dark Humor, on the fast track to distinctions galore, and a definite contender for the Word of "Silly Deaths" (a hotly-contested Word in Kobal's bunch). Corporeal: 1 Strength 2 Agility 2 Ethereal: 2 Intelligence 4 Precision 4 Celestial: 6 Will 12 Perception 12 Mind Hits: 8 Soul Hits: 72 Vessel [3 points]: Human/1 (Body Hits: 4) Skills [14 points]: Dodge/6, Fast-Talk/1, Fighting/1, Large Weapon/4, Lying/1, Savoir-Faire/1 Songs (all Celestial) [9 points] Charm/2, Light/1, Motion/5, Possession/1 Attunements [10 points]: Lilim of Dark Humor, Prank K.K. was always a physically weak celestial, having to make up for this with high-level vessels. Her main function was as a celestial bruiser and identifier of needs. While on a mission, she and her fellow demons were ambushed by a small but potent force of angels. Facing a Malakite, she invoked her resonance -- and saw the need to slay evil. She knew she was about to lose this vessel too, so she decided to go out in style. Crying, "You want me dead, huh? Fine! But no freebies!", she flung her arms wide and let her vessel be struck down, unresisting. When she woke up again, she checked her potential threads of Geasa -- and found a new one there. With an evil grin, she went to look up Kobal and asked, "What would *you* do with a Geas on a Malakite?" Thus was born a most entertaining agreement. K.K. always has a Vessel/1 to play with (usually human, any and all genders), and in return, she goes hunting angels -- and finding new and entertaining ways to get killed by the ones who need to kill demons. And in the process, she's racking up Geasa by the bucketful. It is her goal to get a squad of Malakim to sing the "brave guardsmen" song from the _Pirates of Penzance_ in the middle of the Seraphim Council, with a Seraph (preferably of War or the Sword, but she won't be picky) doing "I am the very model of a modern major general," and a servitor of Janus for "It is a glorious thing, to be a pirate king!" Or maybe they should just put on a show of "Jesus Christ, Superstar." She hasn't decided yet (and of course, Kobal might have other plans). She also wants a Servitor of Jean, to find some way to film this (and the Council reactions) so she can watch it later. In personality, "Kama" is slightly manic and cheerful. You could almost mistake her for an Ofanite, except she sits still better. You can tell when K.K.'s been in an area for a little while, because all the angels start trying to wear mirrorshades -- this is what the Celestial Song of Motion is for, and ditto the Dodge skill (to keep her vessel whole long enough to get that all-important Perception roll made). Angels hate her with a purple passion as soon as they get to know her. Eventually, the major Need becomes to "Get her to go away!" -- whereupon she'll agree to go away for at least a while, and point out that they owe her *another* one! The only other known way to make her leave an area is to get her to go celestial and gang up on her *severely*, hopefully making her flee for Hell. Unfortunately, she'll be back after the hit-squad has dispersed. Occasionally, she's been known to use Prank to make some poor Choir or Servitor react without thinking and generate themselves dissonance -- get a Mercurian swinging at her so furiously that they hit the human turning the corner, or taunt/trick a Servitor of Stone into making the first attack. When she exerts herself to be annoying, she's enough to make a Saint swear -- and she likes to try to make Elohim snappish. Her interest in angels (and most other demons, for that matter) is pretty much restricted to, "So, can I satisfy a Need here?" and "Can I cause them dissonance just from being a pain?" If the answer is no, then she'll fish for information on other celestials around, tattle on angels if appropriate, and bounce off to see if she can find a Need to satisfy, and another Geas to add to her collection. Due to the angelic will, it usually takes a Geas/4 at least, and a Song of Celestial Charm (reducing Will) to avoid lashback effects. But in Kama's opinion, it's worth the effort. So far, Kobal is satisfied just by the humor-value inherent in gaining Geasa on the most serious and dangerous kinds of angels -- it is mildly amusing just to think of them having to explain their new Discords to their Superiors, or Servitors of Judgment. From time to time, he will have K.K. invoke a Geas on one (usually after using the Celestial Song of Charm to soften up the target's Will even further!) -- these Geasa are nearly always of the sort where the victim is dissonant if he does, and dissonant if he doesn't. K.K., with her mind-boggling Will and weak ties to corporeal flesh, has a recovery time that rivals that of Malakim, and may eventually get so used to dying that she'll be as immune to Trauma as that noted Choir. Either that, or the GM will have to decide what happens if she rolls a 111 for a recovery. In other ambitions, Kama wants to be a Baron of Dark Humor -- and get a reading on the most "boring" Archangels she can find. If she actually manages to disrupt a Seraphim Council with laughter (and laughing at the plight of a bunch of Geased Servitors has *got* to be inappropriate!), and obtain proof of this, she may get her wish... If Lucifer smirks about it, she may get a Word, too: if not "Silly Deaths," then something like "Evolution in Action," "Darwin Awards," or possibly "Pranking Malakim." [Apologies to Cymrys, but the "Prank a Malakite" was just too good...] emccoy@nh.ultranet.com, Uppity Wynch http://brie.bmsc.washington.edu/people/merritt/books/Eye_of_Argon.html "rumoured to contain hoards of plunder, and many young wenches" Mike [falsetto]: "We're tired of these degrading patriachical slurs! From now on we demand to be called 'wynchys.'" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 17:52:16 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> A new Superior.... sort of At 5:08 PM -0500 5/15/97, RogueLdr wrote: >Ultimus Maximus, the Archangel of Munchkins You are a sick, sick person... I like you. I gotta put Rect and Ultimus Maximus up soon... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 18:01:51 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Re: The Official Archangel of Children At 2:42 PM -0400 5/16/97, gibsonc@NKU.EDU wrote: >does anybody know the choir attunments and/or servitor attunments for the >arcangel of children? Derek Pearcy, Steve Jackson, and anyone else who saw a playtest copy of him for Night Music... Not I. You gotta wait till Night Music comes out, same as the rest of us. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 17:54:34 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: What is Eli doing? (Re: IN> Essence and the nature of reality) At 2:52 PM -0700 5/15/97, Jeff Miller wrote: [Regarding Eli] >He's got plenty of Essense to add to what he's getting from the Gregori(sp). >Note that that's non canon but it's a neat thought. >Almost as much fun as the one about Eli being off to have a fling with Lilith. Well, that last one would explain why he "gave away" all his servitors... When you're wooing the Princess of Freedom, it's a bad idea to seem a slave-keeper. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 08:10:32 +1100 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> A few sins Niall Teasdale wrote: > > BTW. In the "Deluge" adventure seed I read in the In Nomine > Collection, it states that homosexuality was the Sin of Sodom. > This isn't actually the case, the Sin of Sodom was being nasty > to strangers (inhospitality). For those who wish to flame me on > this one, the source is the Bible. > Ummm... (trying not to start religious flame war) as I recall things from my Uni religion classes, the 'sin of Sodom' was being _real_ inhospitible - we talking forcible rape and killing of strangers. Said rape included the act of sodomy. As I remember things, at least. Before I get hassled, I'll just point out that I'm bisexual, and don't have a big problem about the alleged sin of Sodom. I think the one I recall is a lot less pleasant... - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia We are our own wicked gods With little "g's" and big dicks Sadistic and constantly inflicting A slow demise MARILYN MANSON, "My Monkey" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 18:07:46 -0700 From: Roger Carbol Subject: IN> IN: ArchAngels of Myer-Briggs Is it just me, or do the ArchAngels fall fairly orthogonally along the various Myer-Briggs axes? eg ENFP is pretty Mercurian and might suit Marc, etc etc. Roger Carbol .. rog@col.ca .. intp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 18:26:09 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Some questions At 4:27 PM -0400 5/16/97, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: >> Can a Celestial manifist itself on a planet where there are no humans? >> >> "I've always wondered what the rings looked like from the inside...." > > Why not? If God in your campaign is, indeed, infinite [...] >Of course, >your Superior might get annoyed as you go off kiyoodling all over >Creation... What's wrong with appreciating Creation? I mean, so long as you're back in time to play for the big party... [Heck, *some* Superiors might *approve* of little sight-seeing trips!] "In Space, no-one can hear you go Celestial!" Hm..... Now I'm thinking of *fun* places to stick tethers! - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 18:23:09 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Sharing Identities At 7:49 PM -0400 5/15/97, Gregory Littmann wrote: >> > >> >>[...] could angelic society be sufficiently paranoid >> >>that one would keep mum with angelic strangers rather than simply walking >> >>up, shaking hands and saying "Hi, I'm Bobethesh, Mercurian of Novalis, and >> >>in case you need them, here are my attunements..."? >> > >> >Celestials can't just look at someone and tell whether he is celestial or >> >which side he's on. > >Right - but they are still socially connected. Angels are going to keep >track of each other for the sake of co-operating. I'm not talking about >walking up to a celestial in teh street and introducing yourself. I'm >thinking more of a situation where you are brought together as part of a >team. Hm... If you're brought together in *Heaven*, you probably A: know the person's Choir already, and they'll be introduced as either "Bob of Flowers" or "Jane, Friend of Lightning." Servitor Attunements will be listed as needed, I suspect -- "Janithal is on the team because he/she can do [x]." Meeting on Earth will likely be a little more touchy for everyone but Seraphim -- since there's potentials for slipping in a ringer unless you go and introduce yourselves celestially at a Heaven-tether. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 18:46:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Kabael Subject: IN> subscribing I have been having problems subscribing to the list, could someone please tell me how I can. I followed the instructions on the Steve Jackson page but it didnt work. The returned mail said that the Host was unknown. Thanks to those who reply. :~) Kabael MEO kabael@tiac.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:16:14 -0700 (MST) From: shadocat@primenet.com (Jeff Miller) Subject: Re: IN> Character: K.K., Lilim of Dark Humor >Kanah (meaning "of reeds)" -- commonly known as "Kay," "K.K.," or >"Kamakazi" to her friends -- is a up and coming Lilim of Dark Humor, on the >fast track to distinctions galore, and a definite contender for the Word of >"Silly Deaths" (a hotly-contested Word in Kobal's bunch). > > ROTFLMAO -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 18:29:22 -0500 From: tom timberlake Subject: Re: IN>Still yet another kyriotate question GM nastiness: since all four of AA Beth's theoretical cats are all part of the same being, she only gets to experience Sunrise once, within a given time period, maybe less . anything else is weaseling. here's the nasty--maybe she doesn't get her full quota all at one time, instead getting 1/4 point each time sunrise reaches one of her vessels--by spreading her vessels out, from London to Honolulu, AA Beth could actually make it take 11 hours for her to get 1 point of Essence [i told you it was nasty!]. tom "when the GM smiles, it is already to late" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 18:33:10 -0500 From: tom timberlake Subject: Re: IN>Seven Deadly Suns and here i thought the deadly suns where exploding supernovae that one got too close to! tom <--tongue in cheek ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #173 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. 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