From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat May 17 20:18:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA05233 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 20:18:06 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA13953 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 19:48:38 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 19:48:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199705180048.TAA13953@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #174 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, May 17 1997 Volume 01 : Number 174 In this digest: Re: IN> IN: ArchAngels of Myer-Briggs Re: IN>Still yet another kyriotate question IN> Offanim and staying in town Re: IN>Still yet another kyriotate question Re: IN> Celestial Disturbances Re: IN> Essence and the nature of reality IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #173 Re: IN> Some questions Re: IN> Offanim and staying in town Re: IN>Still yet another kyriotate question Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #173 IN> Demonprince of Deception (Long) Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #173 Re: IN> KYD #14 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 19:34:42 EST From: temujin09@juno.com (Nathaniel P Eliot) Subject: Re: IN> IN: ArchAngels of Myer-Briggs >Is it just me, or do the ArchAngels fall fairly >orthogonally along the various Myer-Briggs axes? What? ============================================================= | | | /\ | | Nathaniel Eliot | Chaos, Discord, and the | / \ | | temujin09@juno.com | Illuminated Way | / <> \ | | | | /______\ | ============================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:38:50 -0700 (MST) From: shadocat@primenet.com (Jeff Miller) Subject: Re: IN>Still yet another kyriotate question >> Hee hee hee hee....so tell me, if I possess four cats and locate them in >> different time zones does that mean I can regenerate essence at sunrise four >> times in one "day"? > > Just kidding. Nope, only 1 essence based around whichever >vessel suits the GM most. I, personally, would start with the >one that has the most forces or, if this could be multiple >vessels, the one that would get the essence soonest. > Not to be a pain or anything but... ...well actually it is just to be a pain... ...what if the Ky. positions the four hosts evenly around the globe. Note: question accompanied by a scene of seven birds flying up to your window and sticking out their tongues out at you. -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 97 18:13:59 PDT From: Christopher Paul Subject: IN> Offanim and staying in town I have been under the impression that Offanites, like servants of Janus, cannot stay in the same locale for more than three days. I cannot, however, find this "rule" in the rules. Now, I did play the game a few times before ever having held the rule book, and I did play an Offanite, so it is possible that my poor demented GM just made that up. I do have, however, this nagging feeling that I do remember reading it somewhere in the rules, and not any place particularly obvious or sensible... Is it there? If so, could someone gimme the page ref.? Thanx, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 01:49:21 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN>Still yet another kyriotate question On Fri, 16 May 1997 16:38:50 -0700 (MST), shadocat@primenet.com (Jeff Miller) wrote: >...what if the Ky. positions the four hosts evenly around the globe. You only get the essense when all four hosts are in the sunlight. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 01:48:56 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Disturbances On Fri, 16 May 1997 09:45:34 -0700 (MST), shadocat@primenet.com (Jeff Miller) wrote: >My point is that Celestials may flock to the area and may catch the >Celestial with his Echo still on. Yes, it behooves a celestial to shoot and scoot when he does something noisy. > If so, the new arival may not take >immediate action. Also, if they arive on the scene and can't tell who >caused it, they may just consider everyone present under suspicion. How >would *your* angel feel if a random innocent was targed by demons simply >because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time? Echoes last for a minute for every level of disturbance plus the perceiver's celestial forces. For that time, the causer of the disturbance is obvious to another celestial. So either everyone not obviously the cause is innocent or so much time has passed that it would be unlikely for the causer to still around since he knows he's making noise. >YES. I've learned a long time ago that *every* time I plan something to >that detail you lot go off somewhere else! > Or I use Boom's Law: An arbitrarily complex situation may be simplified by the application of high explosives in proportion to the situation's complexity. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 22:06:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Cymrys@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Essence and the nature of reality In a message dated 16.5.97 08:00:29, you write: << >I'm not sure about Hinduism and Shinto. Too polytheistic. They might >be under the Pagan Gods. Then again, maybe not. AFAIK, Hinduism has the idea of Brahma, of which all other dieties are merely aspects - it seems to fit pretty well, after a sort. No idea about Shinto. >> Shinto is, as far as I know, an animistic religion somewhat akin to shamanism ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 00:15:06 -0500 (CDT) From: rogue@ez-net.com (RogueLdr) Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #173 >Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 17:52:16 -0400 >From: Elizabeth McCoy >Subject: Re: IN> A new Superior.... sort of > >At 5:08 PM -0500 5/15/97, RogueLdr wrote: >>Ultimus Maximus, the Archangel of Munchkins > >You are a sick, sick person... I like you. I gotta put Rect and >Ultimus Maximus up soon... > > >- --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net >GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ I *know* I am. I just read K.K. And you call ME sick! ;) Oh, and I have a question for everyone: Can a Celestial commit soul-suicide? Just disband their own forces, throwing them back to the Symphony? One of my players, a Malakim who lost himself in the heat of the moment and did something *extremely* dishonorable, is considering this. I'm leaning towards allowing it. What does everyone think? - -Rogue ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 13:53:53 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Some questions > > "In Space, no-one can hear you go Celestial!" Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha! ;) > > Hm..... Now I'm thinking of *fun* places to stick tethers! Oooooohhhh... I'm thinking that Tranquility Base would be an _excellent_ place for one. The angel whose word is Space Travel has taken a beating in recent years (no manned missions to the moon, the Hubble problem, etc), but he's still game and fighting. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 13:57:33 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Offanim and staying in town On May 16, 6:13pm, Christopher Paul wrote: > Subject: IN> Offanim and staying in town > I have been under the impression that Offanites, like servants of Janus, > cannot stay in the same locale for more than three days. I cannot, > however, find this "rule" in the rules. > Is it there? If so, could someone gimme the page ref.? There's no such rule. Ofanim are hyper, true, but they don't have to move every couple days. Getting them to hold still, on the other hand, is still somewhat of a chore! - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 13:56:36 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN>Still yet another kyriotate question On May 16, 4:38pm, Jeff Miller wrote: > Not to be a pain or anything but... > > ...well actually it is just to be a pain... > > ...what if the Ky. positions the four hosts evenly around the globe. I would use my GM's fiat and just pick one, or say that the Essence gain was too 'spread out' to give ANY essence whatsoever. Or use GMT. Anyone who tries to weasel like this in MY campaign gets smacked down hard. > Note: question accompanied by a scene of seven birds flying up to your > window and sticking out their tongues out at you. That's why flamethrowers are a _good_ thing, boys and girls! ;) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 18:51:36 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #173 On Sat, 17 May 1997 00:15:06 -0500 (CDT), rogue@ez-net.com (RogueLdr) wrote: >Can a Celestial commit soul-suicide? Just disband their own forces, >throwing them back to the Symphony? One of my players, a Malakim who lost >himself in the heat of the moment and did something *extremely* >dishonorable, is considering this. I'm leaning towards allowing it. What >does everyone think? No, no, no! It's death *before* dishonor. ;) That's an interesting problem. Moral views range from suicide being (somewhat redundantly) a mortal sin to it being an atonement for sins during life. It seems to me it should be allowed under In Nomine's broad acceptance of differing religious views. Whether a Malakite would consider it moral would probable depend on the superior: I'd think a Malakite of Eli or Novalis would be out of character suiciding; Laurence might consider it disobedient; and Michael, retreat. But the biggest barrier is how to do it. You have to be in celestial form to lose forces of any kind--even corporeal forces, strangely. Ok, you go celestial and start hacking on yourself. You start losing forces at random (p.64). If you lose all your celestial forces first, you become a remnant in your vessel (with role, if any) but without memory. Hm. Ok, so if you've got vessels, you have to kill them first--which snaps you back to your heart. No trauma for a Malakite, but there's his Superior to deal with. So, as a practical matter, he (or any celestial) has to have his Superior's agreement to suicide; in which case, the Archangel can probably just kill him without trouble. But would an Archangel agree to it? Dominic might. Failing that, Gabriel might. If his Superior won't, then I suppose trying his Superior's enemies would be next. Failing everything else, you could try blackmailing Dominic with a threat to go to a Demon Prince, Saminga being the obvious choice. Another interesting question is what tasks his Superior might give him to atone for his sins instead of suicide. Cowards die many times before their deaths; The valiant never taste of death but once. --Shakespeare, Julius Caesar II,ii,32 Maybe a Superior might tell him, "Go die a hundred times in combat, then I will allow you to rest." The usual rule of paying for vessels with character points wouldn't work so well with this. This Malakite is suppose to die at the drop of a hat. Maybe charge a point or two per session no matter how many times he dies (or doesn't). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 15:44:49 -0400 From: Matthias Mueller Subject: IN> Demonprince of Deception (Long) Hi everybody, here's a Diabolical I've come up with lately, hope you'll like him: TIAMANICUS, Demon Prince of Deception ---------------------------------------------------------- Tiamanicus is one of the fallen Seraphim. Back in Heaven, he was working for Blandine and developed the strange notion to create a correspondence between the facts of the corporeal world and the ideas of the the ethereal realm. He attempted a fusion of dreamworld and reality into a omnipresent truth, perfect without any contradictions or half-truths. Inevitably, he failed. In Hell, he became one of Malpha's minions and rose within the Demon Prince's ranks surprisingly fast. Soon, he was known as the mad demon, even compared to the mindset of the Habbalah. He tried to establish himself as the Demon of Delusion, but stopped when he realized that one of Beleth's demons had already claimed this Word. Yet only a century later, after he managed to retrieve a powerful artifact, the Shattered Eye, he was made a Prince by Lucifer, which came rather unexpected for the other ruling Diabolicals. Meanwhile he almost exceeds his former mentor, Malphas, in spinning lies, generating general confusion or carving beautiful, intricate mental disturbances in the minds of specially selected humans. However, Malphas still creates the more complex and ambitious schemes, while Tiamanicus' actions are always erratic, or so they seem to the other Princes and even to most of his Servitors. Both in Hell and on Earth, he manifests as a wide-eyed, somewhat untidy child dressed in bright colors. Nowadays Tiamanicus is very worried because for some reason known only by himself, he believes Eli to be on his track, going to hunt him down personally. DISSONANCE : Tiamanicus' demons are the agents of confusion and uncontrolled change. Every day they have to twist a mortal's view of something important to him, destroy one of his personal convictions or create a new belief in him. The change has to be to the darker side ! If they can't establish a deception, they generate one note of dissonance. Missed work can't simply be caught up with, so be eager ! BAND ATTUNMENTS Balseraphs of Deception can twist a mortals outlook on life in a way that makes them see imaginary lies and falsehood. With a successful contest of their Will against their victims Perception, they can pour Paranoia in its mind, with a level of 1+ spent Essence. If the victim wins the contest, it's safe from the Balseraph's influence for a number of hours equal to the check digit of the successful Perception roll. Djinn of Deception automatically know if a human they're attuned to is deliberately lying or being lied to. Tiamanicus' Calabim can blot out any specific thought a human has. With a successful Will roll, any idea expressed or statement made leaves the humans mind for 24 hours. The victim can resist with a successful Will roll, the check digit equals the number of hours the victims memories are shielded. After the Balseraphs, Tiamanicus's second most favoured Servitors are the Habbalah. In addition to their resonance, they can create reflections of emotions. The mechanics and the emotional effects are the same, but again mortals can resist Tiamanicus' special power with their Perception. A resisted attempt creates no Dissonance, successful use of the attunment makes the victim believe the target feels the specified emotion for it. A Lilim of Deception can attempt to betray her victim after she's done it a favour. With a succesful contest of her own Will against the victims Perception, she can increase the level of the victim's geas by 1. However, this is risky because if the victim wins the contest, the geas vanishes. Shedim serving Tiamanicus have the fascinating abilitie to possess pictures, portraits or any other image showing an intelligent creature for a number of minutes equal to twice their Celestial Forces. If the portrayed creature is capable of speech, they can talk to humans in front of the picture. They can possess anybody who touches the picture. Impudites of Deception pretend to have sympathy for the poor human's mental problems. They add their Celestial Forces to their resonance rolls on victims with Ethereal or Celestial Discord. Also, they don't generate dissonance if they somehow trick a human into destroying himself. SERVITOR ATTUNMENTS Halluzination For 1 essence, Tiamanicus Servitors can access and influence the perception of a human with a sucessful Will roll. The victim may resist with a Will roll minus the demon's Celestial Forces. This attunment affects all of the victim's senses, the demon can create the most horrifying or wonderful sensations, experienced only by the victim. Halluzination lasts for a number of seconds equal to the demon's Celestial Forces and can be maintained after that for the same amount of time per extra essence spent. Megalomania For 3 essence, a demon of Deception can boost a mortal ego to bizarre proportions. The victim may resist with a successful contest of its Perception against the demons Will. For a number of hours equal to the demon's successful check digit, the victim believes himself to be Mr Wonderful and Prince Charming. Whatever it had in mind when the attunment was used appears to be a project of highest importance by now. The victim will even try to impress others and convince them of its superiority. Any followers it may have won will realize the victims delusion when the Megalomania ends and leave it . The victim will realize this as well, being depressed for a number of hours equal to the duration of the Megalomania. DISTINCTIONS Knight of Confusion By sending out his thoughts, the demon can once a day stun a number of people equal to his Ethereal Forces. Captain of Mirage Once a day, the demon can appear to one human as its perfect companion. He adds his Celestial Forces to any use of Emote, Seduction or Fast-Talk. Baron of Deep Fantasy Looking into they eyes of his victim, the Baron can detect any Celestial or Ethereal Discord with a Perception roll. If he uses Halluzination, he can tailor the effects to the victim's Discord, raising its level by 1. RELATIONS Allied: Nybbas, Beleth Associated: Andrealphus, Kobal, Valefor Hostile: Baal, Belial Enemy: Asmodeus BASIC RITES - Spend six hours on the set of a daily soap - Assist in the cover-up of a public scandal (+ 3 Essence) CHANCE OF INVOCATION: 2 INVOCATION MODIFIERS +1 A hologram or 3D-Picture +2 An advertising banner +3 In a sold-out movie theater +4 In a tabloids editorial office +5 In Disney World +6 In Hollywood, at the Academy Award ceremony That's it so far, any comments are welcome ! -Matthias aka Matioki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 15:36:06 -0500 From: tom timberlake Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #173 Image: Apollo spreading his atoms on the wind in that one classic Star Trek episode. 2nd Universal Malakim Oath :Death before Falling. the "spreading" of the Malakim is just the ultimate realization and exercise of this oath. i wouldn't let any other Choir or Band do this--only the Malakim have this Oath built into EVERY member, like DNA in a human, no, like carbon in a living cell. this would be another unique identifying characteristic of the Malakim. for a deeply Dissonant or Discordant Malakim, this would be an option, a fulfillment of their Oath, but it is an option that is their's and their's alone among the Celestials. besides, it is dramatically justified if not canonical--Ultimate Rule:it's your game, play it your way, regardless of what others think. after all, if they don't like it, they can run their own game! one caution: run it your way, but everyone will be happier if you are _consistent_ in your exceptions to the base rules. besides, that way it is easier to remember what the exceptions are when the players ask for a GM's ruling. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 19:05:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Austin George Loomis Subject: Re: IN> KYD #14 On Fri, 16 May 1997, at 14:07:50 -0400, Adam Canning wrote: >Congratulations Auguste Yoou have now become a Vassal of Inquiry. Thanks -- though I'm hoping Blandine (my Superior since the Boss went on leave) doesn't mind...Maybe I can give it to Georges? "Don't look at me, I'm just the Ofanite." [Pipe down, you two, or we'll get shouted off the list for roleplay. Besides, now that I've got the Book, I've got to write you guys up properly...] Austin "hi Beth!" Loomis ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #174 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.