From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue May 20 19:11:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29467 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 19:11:00 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA02948 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 20 May 1997 14:29:29 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 14:29:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199705201929.OAA02948@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #177 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, May 20 1997 Volume 01 : Number 177 In this digest: Re: IN> Stupid Celestial Tricks.... Re: IN> [Long] IN Mechanics mods Re: IN> IN Mechanics mods IN> Re: Fwd: If you're not easily offended... ;) Re: IN> Offanim and staying in town Sunrise, turn your face to the day... (Re: IN>Still yet another kyriotate question) Re: IN> Some questions Re: IN> Re: The Official Archangel of Children Re: IN> Angels for everything Re: IN> Angels for everything Celestial Suicide (Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #173) Re: IN> d66: An Alternate In Nomine Dice System Re: IN> Some questions Re: IN> subscribing IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #176 IN> suscribe Fluff: In Nomine In Space (Re: IN> Some questions) Fluff: In Nomine In Space (Re: IN> Some questions) IN> Beta INMC (In Nomine Music Collection) available IN> Re: Celestial suicide IN> Re: INC- Spotting Celestials Re: IN> In Nomine in Space (fluff) IN> Kyrio questions IN> Re: INC- Spotting Celestials IN> Join me up Re: IN> Re: INC- Spotting Celestials RE: IN> A few sins IN> IN:> Dominic Questions IN> Kyriotes multitasking over multiple Time Zones IN> Spiritual Suicide IN> Djinn and the creation of man and the rebellion. IN> Gabriel question RE: IN> Djinn and the creation of man and the rebellion. Re: IN> Gabriel question Re: IN> Gabriel question Re: IN> IN:> Dominic Questions Re: IN> In Nomine in Space (fluff) Re: Fluff: In Nomine In Space (Re: IN> Some questions) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 14:14:13 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Stupid Celestial Tricks.... On May 19, 11:21am, Walter Milliken wrote: > Subject: IN> Stupid Celestial Tricks.... > All this speculation on Kyrios and distributed Essence regeneration led > me to the burning question: > > What happens to a celestial's Essence recovery if they're north of the > Arctic Circle? > > [You're welcome, John....] Cosmic forces converge, giving them Essence faster and faster until the hapless Celestial explodes across the Symphony. =) OFFICIALLy: You get Essence recovery about once every 24 hours even when the sun doesn't shine on you. Except at the poles (Use GMT if someone bothers to go THAT far north or south) you can use the time from whatever timezone that the Celestial came from. The Essence regeneration occurs at certain times of day for symbolic reasons, not physical ones. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:19:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Dennis Castello Subject: Re: IN> [Long] IN Mechanics mods Mark brings up some very good questions... > * Can we relate the level of outcome more closely to the competence of > the character and the difficulty of the task? > * The physical combat system seems broken to my players. Dodge acts > like armour; strength acts like skill, and damage only depends on > equipment; not stats... > * Can we make angels more `magical'? At the moment the magic is very > mechanical, with all effects and costs very precise... > * Disturbances are also very mechanical, and sometimes cramp the plot. > Can we loosen them up? And I think Paul has an excellent suggestion: >... my solution to the whole is to ditch the rules entirely and fake the >whole thing, using only the background. I do this with about every game >I run, so it isn't an In Nomine specific thing. I agree with Paul -- what makes In Nomine cool is the background, not the d666. Anyone who has that much trouble with the rules should just play it diceless. Throwing out the dice and resolving combat by comparing stats accomplishes everything that Mark (and no doubt some others) want to see: the resolution of the story reflects the abilities of the characters, not the game mechanics. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 97 14:41 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> IN Mechanics mods > I'm >remembering the sidebar remenant who turns water into wine, and thinking, >"hey, I didn't see where to buy that attunement..." I've been assuming it's Eli's Transubstantiation Attunement, actually. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 14:27:23 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Re: Fwd: If you're not easily offended... ;) >From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" >>>http://www.gaijin.com/EvilPeople/ [Me, to Karakash] >> This is, indeed, a most interesting place, with a strange >> Nybbas feel to it... It's almost worth posting to the list... >> >> So I sent it to you first. > > Oh, please do! ;) Well, if the Karakash himself says to... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:59:23 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Offanim and staying in town At 6:13 PM -0700 5/16/97, Christopher Paul wrote: >I have been under the impression that Offanites, like servants of Janus, >cannot stay in the same locale for more than three days. I cannot, >however, find this "rule" in the rules. Tisn't there, far as I know. They can't sit *still*, but they aren't bound by the restrictions that Servitors of the Wind are. So figet all you want...but you don't have to leave town. Until the other celestials around get sick of you and throw you out. O;> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:57:50 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Sunrise, turn your face to the day... (Re: IN>Still yet another kyriotate question) At 6:29 PM -0500 5/16/97, tom timberlake wrote: > since all four of AA Beth's theoretical cats are all part of the same >being, Somebody's been reading GURPS IOU... Okay, instead of the nasty 1/4 essence notion (), what if one is in a part of the world -- a pole, say -- where the sun either "never sets" or "never rises"? Do you go to the "every 24 hours" thing? This is actually for *all* celestials... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:55:57 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Some questions At 1:53 PM -0400 5/17/97, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: >> >> "In Space, no-one can hear you go Celestial!" > > Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha! ;) I seem to have been getting that reaction recently... This, K.K., Lilim of Kobal... >> Hm..... Now I'm thinking of *fun* places to stick tethers! > > Oooooohhhh... I'm thinking that Tranquility Base would >be an _excellent_ place for one. The angel whose word is >Space Travel has taken a beating in recent years (no manned >missions to the moon, the Hubble problem, etc), but he's >still game and fighting. Tranquility... Why have I just gotten this *appalling* notion for "GURPS Reign of Steel" meets "In Nomine"... Vapula would be in the closest thing to Heaven that a Habbalah is allowed, Jean would be grinding his teeth... The Kyrios of Lightning would be having a field day... (GURPS Reign of Steel, for those who don't know it, can easily be explained as "Terminator world times 17." Either that, or go bounce over to www.sjgames.com/gurps/books/ReignSteel . I think. Certainly the /books part will be correct.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 12:31:39 -0400 (EDT) From: gibsonc@nku.edu Subject: Re: IN> Re: The Official Archangel of Children damn On Fri, 16 May 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 2:42 PM -0400 5/16/97, gibsonc@NKU.EDU wrote: > >does anybody know the choir attunments and/or servitor attunments for the > >arcangel of children? > > Derek Pearcy, Steve Jackson, and anyone else who saw a playtest > copy of him for Night Music... Not I. You gotta wait till Night > Music comes out, same as the rest of us. > > > --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net > GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 13:31:50 EST From: temujin09@juno.com (Nathaniel P Eliot) Subject: Re: IN> Angels for everything >>>Munchkin Player: "I walk out onto the lawn and call forth the ten >>>thousand angels watching over the grass to assist me!" >> >>That assumes that each angel is a force 9 angel, which I doubt. In >>fact, if they all got together and organized (which would be hard >>to get them to do unless you could convince them you were on *their* >>side), they might have about 1 force between them. If that. > >Not to mention that they might be so solidly Word-bound to their >blades of grass that they wouldn't _do_ anything, even if asked. >"Huh? Help you attack a demon? Is he stepping on any grass? No? Go >away." And they might even side against the angel - "But you're the one that's been trampling my grass, not him!" ============================================================= | | | /\ | | Nathaniel Eliot | Chaos, Discord, and the | / \ | | temujin09@juno.com | Illuminated Way | / <> \ | | | | /______\ | ============================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 16:14:03 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Angels for everything At 9:12 AM -0500 5/18/97, Nathaniel P Eliot wrote: >>>And I think I read that in an "Angels in the Architecture" article >>>in Pyramid. Can't be VERY heretical... >> >> That was before *I* was the line editor. Hm.... Obviously not an Elohite, not objective enough... >> The idea that there is an angel who watches Blade of Grass Number >>348,872,973,728 makes for good scripture, good metaphor, good medieval >>theology, and good narrative; but it makes for bad role-playing game >>world design. >> >> Munchkin Player: "I walk out onto the lawn and call forth the ten >>thousand angels watching over the grass to assist me!" > >That assumes that each angel is a force 9 angel, which I doubt. In >fact, if they all got together and organized (which would be hard >to get them to do unless you could convince them you were on *their* >side), they might have about 1 force between them. If that. Baby Kyriotate-when-I-grow-up Relievers of Flowers. And they say, "NO! We Hafta Grow Grass! Don't Walk Here!" Because they are Cor 0, Eth 0, and Cel 1 and Not Too Bright... Either that, or whack the Servitor of Maximus with dissonance from Novalis for interfering with grass growing. O;> (And Walt Mazur, you'd *BETTER* run away!!! Blade of Grass League, indeed. ) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 16:22:14 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Celestial Suicide (Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #173) At 12:15 AM -0500 5/17/97, RogueLdr wrote: >>Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 17:52:16 -0400 >>From: Elizabeth McCoy >>Subject: Re: IN> A new Superior.... sort of >> >>At 5:08 PM -0500 5/15/97, RogueLdr wrote: >>>Ultimus Maximus, the Archangel of Munchkins >> >>You are a sick, sick person... I like you. I gotta put Rect and >>Ultimus Maximus up soon... >I *know* I am. >I just read K.K. And you call ME sick! ;) K.K., sick? Oh, she's just a sweet little thing... (And another nickname of hers should be "Timex," for "takes a lickin' and keeps on...") >Oh, and I have a question for everyone: > >Can a Celestial commit soul-suicide? Just disband their own forces, >throwing them back to the Symphony? One of my players, a Malakim who lost >himself in the heat of the moment and did something *extremely* >dishonorable, is considering this. I'm leaning towards allowing it. What >does everyone think? I certainly think he could try. If the "tear yourself into component Forces" trick doesn't work, then he might vow himself into finding the nearest Hell-tether and plunging in -- start by trying to wipe out the demonic Seneschal and then head for Hell and just start bashing... In some ways, I can't see a Malakite as comitting a *pointless* suicide. That's not atonement, that's just escape from the mistake; going into Hell and beating up on demons until they overwhelm you, *that's* atonement. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 13:42:44 -0700 (MST) From: shadocat@primenet.com (Jeff Miller) Subject: Re: IN> d66: An Alternate In Nomine Dice System >The d66 System > I *really* like this. I might be able to talk the rest into using it. -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 13:42:55 -0700 (MST) From: shadocat@primenet.com (Jeff Miller) Subject: Re: IN> Some questions >> Why not? If God in your campaign is, indeed, infinite [...] >>Of course, >>your Superior might get annoyed as you go off kiyoodling all over >>Creation... > >What's wrong with appreciating Creation? I mean, so long as you're >back in time to play for the big party... [Heck, *some* Superiors >might *approve* of little sight-seeing trips!] > >"In Space, no-one can hear you go Celestial!" > >Hm..... Now I'm thinking of *fun* places to stick tethers! > Hey, I know.... In Nomine, Space! "Who let the Ofanim at the hyperdrive controls?" "Will someone get the Ky. out of those *$%#@ tribbles!" -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:23:06 EDT From: willypete1@juno.com (WILLIAM A PETERSON) Subject: Re: IN> subscribing Make sure you Underline between IN and NOMINE, but Hyphenate between Nomine and l (I had the same problem). Thank you, William Anders Peterson WillyPete1@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 16:35:02 -0500 (CDT) From: rogue@ez-net.com (RogueLdr) Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #176 [snip Ultimus Archangel of Munchkins] [snip BURN THE ROGUE statements] >Dominic and Eli working together for the first time since... > >"Here, Dominic, would you mind holding him down?" >"No, I don't mind at all." >"Good, let me think of something really nasty we can do to him..." > >Perry M. Lloyd Ooooooooops..... time to make use of that level/6 role and disappear for a while.... was he *really* that bad? - -Rogue, who is at least happy to see Dominic and and Eli working together.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:47:08 -0700 From: "Derek Colanduno" Subject: IN> suscribe suscribe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 20:33:17 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fluff: In Nomine In Space (Re: IN> Some questions) At 1:42 PM -0700 5/19/97, Jeff Miller wrote: >Hey, I know.... In Nomine, Space! > >"Who let the Ofanim at the hyperdrive controls?" > > "Will someone get the Ky. out of those *$%#@ tribbles!" "Forget the tribbles, who's going to get it out of the *ship comp*?" ("I'm sorry, Dave, but we're out of Earl Gray.") "It isn't fair! How am I supposed to tell what an Android Needs?" [we gotta stop this one... this thread could get *silly*...] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 20:33:17 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fluff: In Nomine In Space (Re: IN> Some questions) At 1:42 PM -0700 5/19/97, Jeff Miller wrote: >Hey, I know.... In Nomine, Space! > >"Who let the Ofanim at the hyperdrive controls?" > > "Will someone get the Ky. out of those *$%#@ tribbles!" "Forget the tribbles, who's going to get it out of the *ship comp*?" ("I'm sorry, Dave, but we're out of Earl Gray.") "It isn't fair! How am I supposed to tell what an Android Needs?" [we gotta stop this one... this thread could get *silly*...] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 19:20:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jared P. Buntain" Subject: IN> Beta INMC (In Nomine Music Collection) available Whew. Its actually in a human readable form now. Im missing a bunch of suggestions, but Im also in the middle of midterms, so additions will get put up there as I get time. But keep sending em in, the more the merrier! Probably best to just mail em to me privately, as the list can just check the web page to see em all. Check it out, fix my spelling errors, tell me to move songs etc: http://www.cas.nwu.edu/people/chandley/ Moriah, John: Ive used a couple of things that are most certainly copyright Steve Jackson games, most notably the hdrbar.gif for the In Nomine section. This is to preserve the "look and feel" of Ms. McCoys pages (who I rampantly borrowed from :). If this is a problem, just drop me a note. As for cookies, first tell me what you think, then we'll talk cookies... };> Jared Buntain (Who just picked up a couple essence from Eli for all this, wont Jean be mad!) chandley@nwu.edu www.cauce.org: Because spam hurts us all! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 18:57:21 EST From: temujin09@juno.com (Nathaniel P Eliot) Subject: IN> Re: Celestial suicide >In some ways, I can't see a Malakite as comitting a *pointless* >suicide. That's not atonement, that's just escape from the mistake; >going into Hell and beating up on demons until they overwhelm >you, *that's* atonement. And a better plot hook than suicide, to boot. BTW - I'd just like to thank the list for all the wonderful ideas I keep getting! I can't wait to use that Tether on a space station for a game ("Celestials...In...Spaaaace!) In fact, I'm somewhat hoping somebody already has an adventure almong those lines in the works - you see, I am thinking of GMing IN at a con, and time's getting short...Also, I know this isn't the right list, but does anybody know if there are some Toon adventures on the web? ============================================================= | | | /\ | | Nathaniel Eliot | Chaos, Discord, and the | / \ | | temujin09@juno.com | Illuminated Way | / <> \ | | | | /______\ | ============================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 21:45:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: IN> Re: INC- Spotting Celestials Nope, you haven't fixed it yet. Oops da Ogre PS- Glad to hear that your cat is doing better. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 00:04:37 EST From: temujin09@juno.com (Nathaniel P Eliot) Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine in Space (fluff) >>Hey, I know.... In Nomine, Space! Celestials...in...Spaaaaacccceeee. >>"Who let the Ofanim at the hyperdrive controls?" Hmmm - a hard right at warp 7 - how much is that going to hurt? >> "Will someone get the Ky. out of those *$%#@ >>tribbles!" > >"Forget the tribbles, who's going to get it out of the *ship comp*?" I dunno - how many forces does something that can set fire to a planet count as? (actually, this is a semi-serious question - Kyriotate of Jean could take over a tank for one force, making it one of the worlds worst combat monsters) >("I'm sorry, Dave, but we're out of Earl Gray.") Hal = Shedim of Vapula "Daisy, daisy, daisy..." >"It isn't fair! How am I supposed to tell what an Android Needs?" That Borg lady from First Contact - Lilim of Vapula, or what? Which would explain why she was so suprised when Data turned against her - you could almost see the dissonance hitting her like a brick. >[we gotta stop this one... this thread could get *silly*...] And of course, that's been avoided so far. ============================================================= | | | /\ | | Nathaniel Eliot | Chaos, Discord, and the | / \ | | temujin09@juno.com | Illuminated Way | / <> \ | | | | /______\ | ============================================================= ------------------------------ Date: 20 May 97 00:25:36 EDT From: Moriah - Steve Jackson Games <73407.515@compuserve.com> Subject: IN> Kyrio questions - ----Forwarded Message(s)---- Date: Mon, 19 May 97 13:33:05 UT From: "Kurt White" To: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: Kyrio questions "since all four of AA Beth's theoretical cats are all part of the same being, she only gets to experience Sunrise once, within a given time period, maybe less . anything else is weaseling" But what if you buy a munchkin vessel, as a high level resource? is it possible that a Kyrio of Ultimus Maximus could pull this one off? How about if a vessel gets trapped on the dark side of the moon? If you can't get a munchkin vessel, is an Oompa Doompa (Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory) close enough? Anyway, I DO have a serious question to ask: Do servitors of Gabriel still cause a disturbance when punishing objects of their atunements? Or is this masked by an "in the line of duty" style of thing? - -Kurt doombu@msn.com "I don't want to live and I don't want to die, I want to shoot heroin through the eye.." TISM - Saturday Night Palsy - ----End Forwarded Message(s)---- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 00:25:22 EST From: temujin09@juno.com (Nathaniel P Eliot) Subject: IN> Re: INC- Spotting Celestials > Nope, you haven't fixed it yet. Don, you need to quote - I don't have a clue what you're talking about... ============================================================= | | | /\ | | Nathaniel Eliot | Chaos, Discord, and the | / \ | | temujin09@juno.com | Illuminated Way | / <> \ | | | | /______\ | ============================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 10:47:00 -0700 From: Mike Crow Ow Ow Subject: IN> Join me up warlord@televar.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 00:51:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> Re: INC- Spotting Celestials Damn. Sorry, folks. My mistake. Oops da "Gotta double-check the headers" Ogre mudgb4@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:50:42 +0100 From: Niall Teasdale Subject: RE: IN> A few sins > From: PERRY M. LLOYD [SMTP:lloydpe@earlham.edu] > Sent: Monday, May 19, 1997 6:17 PM > To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > Subject: RE: IN> A few sins > > >>Hi all, > >> > >> > >>For those looking for a few things for demons to promote, or for > angels > >>to stop happening, the book of Leviticus is a wonderful source of > >>inspiration. Leviticus 20 is the best bit. A few examples: > >> > >>Death is the punishment for: > >>Cursing your parents, > >>Adultery, > >>Incest, > >>Homosexuality and lesbianism, > >>Bestiality, > >>Wizardry, > >>Onership of a familiar spirit. > >> > > >For the record, as the words homosexual and lesbian did not exist > >at the time the bible was written, it is an impossiblity that these > >be in the good book. > > You are, of course, correct, I was paraphrasing, just as I did with > Bestiality. > I was producing a list and didn't want to write great long phrases. > > > >However, Lev. does say: "Laying with another man" In the Hebrew text, > this > >is described as "ritually unclean", from the Hebrew "toewah", which > does > >not carry with it the connotations as the modern TRANSLATION of the > word of > >God would lead youto believe. > > I'll take your word for it, but in the King James Bible all of the > above > carry a death sentence. Leviticus appears to be largely concerned > with matters of ritual cleanliness and the correct ways to perform > burnt offerings, etc. It makes interesting reading, especially if > you're > a Malakite looking for things to purge people of. How far ANYONE > takes it is up to them. > > >If you have any problems with homosexuality and the bible and jesus > and > >what not, > > I don't. > > > this is a place to discuss the game, > > Agreed. > > > not your issues. [...snip...] > > > >This mailing list doesn't need a debate over Homosexuality of all > things, > >at least IMHO... > > Okay, so I shouldn't have put the last paragraph in, I was asking for > flame. Having said that, the point I wanted to make was that there > are things that would be considered a sin now which would not > have featured largely back then, and vice versa. While we still > consider > "care for the poor" to be a virtue (even if we do less of it than we > might), > we probably don't think of inhospitality as a sin (where as a Viking, > for example, would consider it a great sin). > > Actually, since the apparent problem with demons is that they are > selfish, inhospitality would be something they would promote. > Presumably, from the list I gave above, only the first two items are > selfish enough for demons to promote. As yet, the nature of magic > in In Nomine has yet to be expounded so the jury is out on the > last two items. > > Niall. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 19:49:18 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Frederick Subject: IN> IN:> Dominic Questions Dear List a few questions relating to Dominic. Does Dominic's attunement of Heavenly Judgement _always_ work on Demons? Besides possibly eventually ticking off the Big D should any penalty be made against a Character who bangs it off whenever they think they aren't going to need the Essence? How long does Dominic allow for his approximately once a week visit to each of his servitors on Earth? How long is it going to take Demons in the City to track you down if there is the "BONG" of Big D appearing every 7 to 10 days? Thanking you for your indulgence. Yours Peter. Email to peterf@geko.net.au "Whoso loveth God truely must not expect to be loved by Him in return." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 06:36:27 -0400 From: Adam Canning Subject: IN> Kyriotes multitasking over multiple Time Zones It is possible that the sun rise and sunset statements refer either: 1 Mecca, which would explain why Gabriel went to the bother with the black rock. 2 Heaven, which does run on its own clock, though 1 day may be as a thousand years. 3 Greenwich Mean Time, Since the Kyriotes need to know which order to file their memories in, they may have taken a route similar to Windows 95 and run on GMT in the background. all of these avoid the arctic, deep space and multiple body questions. alternatively rule that once a celestial has first manifested he has only seen dawn after all his manifested forms have seen that days dawning. and that once that has happend it must be a new day before it counts as the dawn of a new day. i.e. you can fiddle when in the 24 hours you get your dawn but only one per day. Adam Dahak@Compuserve.Com Koran: THE CHAPTER OF THE DAYBREAK IN the name of the merciful and compassionate God. Say, 'I seek refuge in the Lord of the daybreak, from the evil of what He has created; and from the evil of the night when it cometh on; and from the evil of the blowers upon knots; and from the evil of the envious when he envies.' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 06:36:20 -0400 From: Adam Canning Subject: IN> Spiritual Suicide >>Can a Celestial commit soul-suicide? Just disband their own forces, >throwing them back to the Symphony? One of my players, a Malakim who lost >himself in the heat of the moment and did something *extremely* >dishonorable, is considering this. I'm leaning towards allowing it. What >does everyone think? I'd say it's at least plausible, but it seems more in character for a Malakim to take on some hopeless battle and get himself toasted that way - - -- at least he might make up a little for what he did. < No no no no. Any angel depressed enough to believe there is no job left for them in the symphony [ including reporting on dying sparrows, watching grass grow or making people sneeze to expell micro demons that cause disease.] Has Tripped or Fallen and isn't anm angel any more. Malakim are just dead [thanks to the other malakim and dominic, so they do not need to worry about that. Adam Dahak@Compuserve.Com Leviticus 19:21 "And he shall bring his trespass-offering to the LORD, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, [even] a ram for a trespass-offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass-offering before the LORD for his sin which he hath done; and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 06:36:23 -0400 From: Adam Canning Subject: IN> Djinn and the creation of man and the rebellion. In the Chapter of El 'Hagr in the Koran, Gabriel states that " And we did create man from crackling clay of black mud wrought in form. And the Djinn had we created before of smokeless fire. And when thy Lord said to the angels, 'Verily, I am creating a mortal from crackling clay of black mud wrought into shape; And when I have fashioned it, and breathed into it of my spirit, then fall ye down before it adoring.' And the angels adored all of them together, save Iblis, who refused to be among those who adored. He said, 'O Iblis! what ails thee that thou art not among those who adore?' Said he, 'I would not adore a mortal whom Thou hast created from crackling clay of black mud wrought into form.' He said, 'Then get thee forth therefrom, and, verily, thou art to be pelted! And, verily, the curse is upon thee until the day of judgment.' Said he, 'O my Lord! respite me until the day when they shall be raised.' He said, 'Then, verily, thou art of the respited until the day of the noted time.' He said, 'O my Lord! for that Thou hast seduced me I will surely make it seem seemly for them on earth, and I will surely seduce them all together; save such of Thy servants amongst them as are sincere.' Said He, 'This is a right way against me. Verily, my servants thou hast no authority over, save over those who follow thee of such as are seduced: and, verily, hell is promised to them all together. It has seven doors; at every door is there a separate party of them.' " This passage leads to the following thoughts 1 Djnnn are not demons. Gabriel and Yves delivered a message saying that either the angels [we as a plural] or God [ We as a singular] created the Djinn before Man was created, that is on one of the first six days of creation. and that Iblis [ Lucifer? ] started the rebellion on the sixth day after man's creation. 2 God Knew about the lillim in advance. Or the Archangels want you to think that. Either way some what worrying. Especially for Lilith since how can you have freedom to act if someone already knows what your going to do and is planning on it. 3 Lucifers main objection to God is that either he does not find mankind aesthetically pleasing or he refuses to worship something he helped make. Such trouble over a bit of pottery. Adam Dahak@Compuserve.Com Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 32:3 "Angels speak by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore, they speak the words of Christ. Wherefore, I said unto you, feast upon the words of Christ; for behold, the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 97 12:24:21 UT From: "Kurt White" Subject: IN> Gabriel question I actually buggered up and sent this one to Moriah originally instead of the list, sorry bout that chief... "since all four of AA Beth's theoretical cats are all part of the same being, she only gets to experience Sunrise once, within a given time period, maybe less . anything else is weaseling" But what if you buy a munchkin vessel, as a high level resource? is it possible that a Kyrio of Ultimus Maximus could pull this one off? How about if a vessel gets trapped on the dark side of the moon? If you can't get a munchkin vessel, is an Oompa Doompa (Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory) close enough? Anyway, I DO have a serious question to ask: Do servitors of Gabriel still cause a disturbance when punishing objects of their atunements? Or is this masked by an "in the line of duty" style of thing? >From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" >>>http://www.gaijin.com/EvilPeople/ I found this site a week ago, I'm on the property list, and the employee roster. These guys have far too much time on their hands, but I thought some of that stuff was pretty good IN inspiration. - -Kurt doombu@msn.com "I don't want to live and I don't want to die, I want to shoot heroin through the eye.." TISM - Saturday Night Palsy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 13:44:44 +0100 From: Niall Teasdale Subject: RE: IN> Djinn and the creation of man and the rebellion. Classically, Djinn are what we think of as Genies. Then again, classically, Seraphim, Cherubim and Ofanim are not angels. The celestial hierarchy consists of three triads (according to sixth century theologians). The first triad consists of Seraphim, Cherubim and Ophanim. Angels of the first triad are never seen on Earth. The second triad consists of Dominions, Virtues and Powers (which also link into an IN choir, I believe). Second triad are ministering angels who guard Heaven and Earth. The third triad are the Principalities, Archangels and Angels, and have ministry of Earth. Lucifer, as a name, appears in the late first century AD. Lucifer was originally the (angel of the?) Morning Star, his name means "light bearer". The use of the name comes from two passages in the Bible: "I beheld Satan fall as lightning from heaven." (Luke 10:18) "How art thou fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer, son of the Morning!" (Isaiah. 14:12) Satan, BTW, is Hebrew, and means enemy. It was not used by the Hebrews to mean God's Enemy, just any enemy. I'm not sure where you got the other two references from. > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Canning [SMTP:Dahak@compuserve.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 1997 11:36 AM > To: INTERNET:in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > Subject: IN> Djinn and the creation of man and the rebellion. > > 1 Djnnn are not demons. > Gabriel and Yves delivered a message saying that either the > angels > [we as a plural] or God [ We as a singular] created the Djinn before > Man > was created, that is on one of the first six days of creation. and > that > Iblis [ Lucifer? ] started the rebellion on the sixth day after man's > creation. > > 2 God Knew about the lillim in advance. Or the Archangels want you to > think > that. Either way some what worrying. Especially for Lilith since how > can > you have freedom to act if someone already knows what your going to do > and > is planning on it. > > 3 Lucifers main objection to God is that either he does not find > mankind > aesthetically pleasing or he refuses to worship something he helped > make. > Such trouble over a bit of pottery. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:41:44 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Gabriel question > Anyway, I DO have a serious question to ask: > Do servitors of Gabriel still cause a disturbance when punishing objects of > their atunements? Or is this masked by an "in the line of duty" style of > thing? Nope, they still make all the noise they ever would. The attunement lets them _detect_ the object that must be punished. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 10:16:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Shadowcat Subject: Re: IN> Gabriel question On Tue, 20 May 1997, Kurt White wrote: > But what if you buy a munchkin vessel, as a high level resource? > is it possible that a Kyrio of Ultimus Maximus could pull this one off? > How about if a vessel gets trapped on the dark side of the moon? > If you can't get a munchkin vessel, is an Oompa Doompa (Willy Wonka & the > Chocolate Factory) close enough? Thats Oompa Loompa with an l not a d. Shadowcat who just read his neice both Charlie books while she was staying last week. ******************************************************************************** We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:10:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Gregory Littmann Subject: Re: IN> IN:> Dominic Questions > > a few questions relating to Dominic. > > > How long is it going to take Demons in the City to track you down if there > is the "BONG" of Big D appearing every 7 to 10 days? > The Big D had no such item. That's what's wrong with him. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:49:34 -0500 From: tom timberlake Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine in Space (fluff) Nathaniel P Eliot wrote: > > >>Hey, I know.... In Nomine, Space! > > Celestials...in...Spaaaaacccceeee. > > >>"Who let the Ofanim at the hyperdrive controls?" > > Hmmm - a hard right at warp 7 - how much is that going to hurt? > > >> "Will someone get the Ky. out of those *$%#@ > >>tribbles!" > > > >"Forget the tribbles, who's going to get it out of the *ship comp*?" > > I dunno - how many forces does something that can set fire to a > planet count as? (actually, this is a semi-serious question - > Kyriotate of Jean could take over a tank for one force, making > it one of the worlds worst combat monsters) > > >("I'm sorry, Dave, but we're out of Earl Gray.") > > Hal = Shedim of Vapula > > "Daisy, daisy, daisy..." > > >"It isn't fair! How am I supposed to tell what an Android Needs?" > > That Borg lady from First Contact - Lilim of Vapula, or what? > Which would explain why she was so suprised when Data turned > against her - you could almost see the dissonance hitting her > like a brick. > > >[we gotta stop this one... this thread could get *silly*...] > > And of course, that's been avoided so far. > Captain, the red-shirted Malakim are ready to beam down to the planet now. Make it so. AIIEEEE! FHeeew! Zap! AAARRRGGGHHH! They're all traumatized, Captain, but the enemy is dead. Of course, they are..were red-shirts. However there death's have bought us the time to execute my brilliant, day-saving stratagem. David ()[=] <--pillar with halo Stone smiley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 10:10:10 -0700 (MST) From: shadocat@primenet.com (Jeff Miller) Subject: Re: Fluff: In Nomine In Space (Re: IN> Some questions) >At 1:42 PM -0700 5/19/97, Jeff Miller wrote: > >>Hey, I know.... In Nomine, Space! >> >"It isn't fair! How am I supposed to tell what an Android Needs?" > However an angel of Blandine(sp?) can make sure it gets it's electric sheep.... >[we gotta stop this one... this thread could get *silly*...] > Could? -- Jeff ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #177 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.