From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Jun 24 04:18:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA22168 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 04:18:26 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA25258 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 02:17:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 02:17:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199706240717.CAA25258@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #226 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, June 24 1997 Volume 01 : Number 226 In this digest: Re: IN> Dominic Ideas Re: IN> ...Running a Mixed Troupe. Re: IN> Angels and the Bomb? Passwords (Re: IN> Re: In Nomine on the brain..) Re: IN> Oh JHVH not more about Roles Re: IN> Screwin' with the Seraphim Re: IN> Seraphs and roles Re: IN> Screwin' with the Seraphim Re: IN> ...Running a Mixed Troupe. Re: IN> Oh JHVH not more about Roles Re: IN> Angels and the Bomb? Re: IN> Not exactly a WoD crossover... Re: IN> ...Running a Mixed Troupe. Re: Kyriofluff again (Re: IN> Screwin' with the Seraphim) Re: IN> Not exactly a WoD crossover... Re: IN> Outcasts Re: IN> Gabriel's attunements Re: IN> Arches&Princes Re: IN> Outcast Questions Re: IN> Speaking of bombs! Re: IN> Screwin' with the Seraphim Re: IN> Adventure : Play Misty For Me Re: IN> Arches&Princes Re: IN> Oh JHVH not more about Roles Re: IN> Rescue: 666 (kinda long seed) IN> Invocation Modifiers Re: IN> Humor me, it's a character... Re:IN> Passwords Re: IN> Invocation Modifiers RE: IN> New Demon Prince: Boss Smiley RE: Kyriofluff again (Re: IN> Screwin' w Re: IN> ...Running a Mixed Troupe. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:09:49 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Dominic Ideas At 10:34 PM -0400 6/20/97, David Edelstein wrote: >>>> "Perhaps I should start trying to think out an idea where Dominic is > actually the good guy..." [...] >Or write a plot where someone is being unfairly persecuted. Dominic and his >angels don't just punish the guilty, they also defend the innocent. Now *there's* an interesting notion... After a rather nasty run, the PC's AA shows up and is about to reduce the PC to component Forces for screwing up... And the "observer" of Dominic, who's been being a pain the whole time, comes up and introduces himself, and then explains the precise circumstances (which will be just enough "sometimes yag happens" to save the PC)... Thus saving the day -- or at least the PC's hide. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:19:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul F. Strack" Subject: Re: IN> ...Running a Mixed Troupe. On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Charybdis GreyDragon wrote: > >ingenuity in... you know... things of the flesh... And that's a 6 > >level Role - according to Strack's Role Table, she had to live all her > >life anyway... > > I'm gonna have to go check out that Roles chart, I think... It's on my web page BTW, I don't insist that the angel live out the entire life in order to get a Level 6 Role, only that *someone* lived the life. Paul Paul Strack | Madness takes its toll. pfstrack@math.unc.edu | Please have exact change. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ World of Darkness Page - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/wod.html In Nomine Page: INC2 - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/innom/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:54:29 -0300 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> Angels and the Bomb? Charybdis GreyDragon wrote: > [Andre Ribeiro] > > I think he's right - Afterall, God Himself ordered the fall > of > >Sodoma & Gomorra, the Flood and all. They're not disturbing the > Symphony > >- they *are* part of the Symphony. Since the Symphony is conducted by > > >God, of course... > > Unless you want to wax philosophical and say that God *is* the > Symphony... That can be true - Angels are little parts of God after all, as the lirics (words) of a music... Andre ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:40:19 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Passwords (Re: IN> Re: In Nomine on the brain..) Or, on how to test the waters and see if there's somebody around... (Warning: do not try with clever demons...) At 11:09 PM -0600 6/22/97, Kingsley Lintz wrote: >(we had little quips like, "You wouldn't be with the Guardian Angels, >would you?", "I've a relation named Novalis...might you know >her...brother, Michael?" (my response, "Heard of 'im.") And, checking a >bit to see just who this Cherub's superior was, "That's pretty good work >there, doc...are you Ivy League?") There's also things like, "'Scuse me, but could you ask if there are any friends of one David Stone around?" over the phone. Hm... How many "spur of the moment" passwords have been used...? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:17:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul F. Strack" Subject: Re: IN> Oh JHVH not more about Roles On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 zingaro@peak.org wrote: > Two weeks into my first campaign and had some questions: > > If a celestial has a role and performs actions that might otherwise disturb > the symphony but can attribute it to something hir role would do, then the > disturbance is avoided. > If my Ophanite has a Taxi Driver role and swerves across three lanes of > traffic to make a left turn thus causing a seventeen car pile up, is > the disturbance avoided? If he had a fare, yes. > If my CHerub has a role as a liquor store owner and plugs four robbers with > a shotgun, is dissonance avoided? Protecting his store and customers, yes. Paul Strack | Madness takes its toll. pfstrack@math.unc.edu | Please have exact change. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ World of Darkness Page - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/wod.html In Nomine Page: INC2 - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/innom/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:35:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Screwin' with the Seraphim > > ...and, of course, since I transformed it, does it become a new > >thing with Su(Hw) 340 @EcoR1 in pBR5 (sk+) added to the name? > Hmmmm... I dunno. This is just a guess, but I would suspect the answer is > None of the Above. It's True Name is probably not defined by any human > language at all. My guess would be that the True Name is probably whatever > the word for E. Coli in Angelic script... Not by the book, anyway...it's officially noted as, "...provided it HAS a name in an Earthly language that he knows". Which is why I think the Name the Seraph would get would be firmly dependant on how much CHemistry he knew personally... The main point to it seems to be for the penetrating illusion, though...(eg. a Baron of Satanic Dishes has disguised a pile of used tire rubber as a scrumptuous feast. The Seraph of Yves touches it and realizes, "Say, this is Used Tire Rubber, not Tender Pork Loin. Guys don't eat this!" Then the Baron bites his leg off.) And, of course, for Gabriel's little, "You look like a ____" from The Prophecy... Though I kind of like the Angelic script True Name idea a little better, in some ways... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:59:46 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Seraphs and roles > Don't forget that Status determines both wealth and influence. > 'Millionaire/1' doesn't exist as a Role. Or Millionaire at any other > level, really. Look at the chart on p. 43 for examples of wealth. Oh, I know, Canon's against that..I guess it's more on the first section on Roles that it notes that Level determines how much Status you can have...but myself, I'm still willing to allow it if someone just wants to look convincing on an immediate level. (Besides, I could easily see a Millionaire/3, say, as an eccentric, very rich, very private man...with the mansion back in the mountains, receiving very few visitors...as another low Level/high Status mix. Taking something that works best for fame or that's going to be checked up on - movie star or anything military, say - at a low Level is, IMO, possible, it's just kind of useless. You can be a movie star that no one's heard of, and you can have a crisp military uniform and a proper looking badge and whatnot, but since they tend to actually CHECK anyway, you're going to turn up as an impostor and get in lots of trouble...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:42:57 -0800 From: nightgaunt@earthlink.net (Alexander Shearer) Subject: Re: IN> Screwin' with the Seraphim >If I were GMing the issue of the seraph with the test tube, I think >the "true name" that the seraph gets would be the best name for use >in the next conversation about the bacteria in the test tube. > >So, if the seraph is talking to a non-technical sidekick, the >name might be "intestinal bacteria." ("Oh. Ick.") If it is talking >to Dr. Shearer, the name might be "the sk+ culture," or however it >would be unambiguously referred to by the folk in that lab. If it >is talking to a Servitor of Novalis, it might well use the True >and Ineffable Name of This Particular Kind of Gunk, whatever that is. >(I guess E. coli comes under Novalis's department, unless and until >someone brings in an Archangel of Prokaryotes.) > This is my favorite answer so far - it makes good sense. I wouldn't really make prokaryotes Noavlis' domain, though - they're no more plants than animals (so it's neither her nor Jordi). Tomorrow I should bop on down to the library and see if anyone in the Dictionary of Angels seems up to the word Prokaryotes. Of course, this probably just fits under a lot of other words...maybe E. Coli is given to Jordi because we use it for digestion, where the bacteria used in legumes belongs to Novalis, and disease-causing suckers belong to someone else... (For the record, since Seraphs might be listening, you gave me quite an educational promotion there...I'm still an undergrad.) Alexander Shearer nightgaunt@earthlink.net gaunt@uclink4.berkeley.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:01:04 -0300 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> ...Running a Mixed Troupe. Charybdis GreyDragon wrote: > And that's a 6 > >level Role - according to Strack's Role Table, she had to live all > her > >life anyway... > > I'm gonna have to go check out that Roles chart, I think... It's great! - my congratulations to Paul, by the way... > Harder, but lots of fun... Last night I actually got to play > cuz I > finally got my husband to run a session... I'm thinking in forcin...getting someone to GM for me myself... > [Andre Ribeiro] > > we're planing to make the next session - the 18's birthday party of > the > Seraph girl - > > LIVE!! It will be in the Djinn's nightclub, Trauma, and we'll all > go to > a real club to do some > >live action... > Cool... I've never been much into live action, but that could > be fun... I > assume you cleared it with the RL club staff first... As always, we just say we're having a party - and even this is Seraph-close to the truth...! We couldn't just tell'em a Seraph is turning 18 and his fellow angels (and some demons) are going to celebrate there anyway... Andre ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:29:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Oh JHVH not more about Roles > If a celestial has a role and performs actions that might otherwise disturb > the symphony but can attribute it to something hir role would do, then the > disturbance is avoided. IF they roll below their (Level + Corporeal Forces), and only if the entire action is strictly within the Role...(p44) so.. > If my Ophanite has a Taxi Driver role and swerves across three lanes of > traffic to make a left turn thus causing a seventeen car pile up, is > the disturbance avoided? It'd be highly risky (since the resultant Disturbance if you miss the roll is going to be a whopper), and, I'd say, pretty iffy - most real taxi drivers wouldn't do that. If the Ofanite's Role already has his driver's license on the edge of being removed and his boss ready to fire him because his Role states that he's a particularly wild taxi driver, then alright, but he's going to have to put up with those consequences later on, most likely. Otherwise, most real taxi drivers actually wouldn't do that. If they MIGHT, it's only because their fare suddenly told them to or they just got word of one just over there...which somewhat limits when the Ofanite can do it. (Granted, if his `fare' is the Cherub he's working with, the odds go up a bit, but..) And he's STILL probably going to have to deal with the consequences, which is to say, that Role now has the police record of a seventeen-car-pileup hit and run... (Keep in mind, Roles have an actual place in the Symphony. They can be awfully handy, but they can also be traceable.) > If my CHerub has a role as a liquor store owner and plugs four robbers with > a shotgun, is dissonance avoided? That one's very probable, however, as almost any liquor store owner capable of it would probably do the same. Though, again, if you don't want your Role's liquor store being shut down and the Role wanted for questioning, you'll have to hang out and file a proper report and whatnot...so it may still be worth the demons sending those hoodlums in to get killed to tie you up for a few hours while they set their little ambush for whoever you're watching... (Now, a particular Role can probably be abandoned and perhaps re-established elsewhere, but that can be inconvenient and may annoy your Superior a bit...not taking care of your property, and whatnot.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:15:37 -0300 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> Angels and the Bomb? Charybdis GreyDragon wrote: > [Andre Ribeiro] > > I think he's right - Afterall, God Himself ordered the fall > of > >Sodoma & Gomorra, the Flood and all. They're not disturbing the > Symphony > >- they *are* part of the Symphony. Since the Symphony is conducted by > > >God, of course... > > Unless you want to wax philosophical and say that God *is* the > Symphony... That can be true - Angels are little parts of God after all, as the lirics (words) of a music... Andre ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:34:21 -0300 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> Not exactly a WoD crossover... Kirt A. Dankmyer -- aka Loki wrote: > Speaking of which, I'm curious as to how you're doing the In Nomine > LARP, > not rules-wise (tho I'm curious about that as well), but > scenario-wise. I > mean, with the Two Obvious Sides, things can get real combative real > fast > (especially with Malakim around)... I know... But I think this is the key point of playing IN LARP: we can go back to the GAME part of Roleplay - not just wandering around a dark room full of vampires. Not that I don't like Vampire LARP (or Werewolf, Wraith...), but I got tired of watching a bunch of people in a poor LARP game with no goals at all - people who will undoubtedly get together past midnight to 'kill the prince'... In IN there's clearly two sides - one good, one evil. Black and white. No shades of gray. Ok, there's always the good demon or the bad angel - but in the end they know who they serve. In a one-shot LARP game, probably one side will win and the other won't! You still have your personal goals, but you're also part of a team - that's it: The *teamness* (forgive me, O Angel of Words) of IN LARP is one of the things that first attracted me. Of course, an ongoing IN LARP chronicle is totally different... And the occasional Malakim - well, if a pack of Werewolves can go live, I don't see why they couldn't. Roleplaying is a *personal* experience after all. And even a Malakim would wait to get his demon out of sight... Andre P.S. As for the rules, I'm still working on them... But I'll let y'all know when I'm done. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:15:45 -0300 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> ...Running a Mixed Troupe. Charybdis GreyDragon wrote: > And that's a 6 > >level Role - according to Strack's Role Table, she had to live all > her > >life anyway... > > I'm gonna have to go check out that Roles chart, I think... It's great! - my congratulations to Paul, by the way... > Harder, but lots of fun... Last night I actually got to play > cuz I > finally got my husband to run a session... I'm thinking in forcin...getting someone to GM for me myself... > [Andre Ribeiro] > > we're planing to make the next session - the 18's birthday party of > the > Seraph girl - > > LIVE!! It will be in the Djinn's nightclub, Trauma, and we'll all > go to > a real club to do some > >live action... > Cool... I've never been much into live action, but that could > be fun... I > assume you cleared it with the RL club staff first... As always, we just say we're having a party - and even this is Seraph-close to the truth...! We couldn't just tell'em a Seraph is turning 18 and his fellow angels (and some demons) are going to celebrate there anyway... Andre ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:21:02 -0400 From: Tim Seiger Subject: Re: Kyriofluff again (Re: IN> Screwin' with the Seraphim) Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > So, if Kyriotates sing three-part harmony with themself, does this > mean that they like to sing Kyrioke? > > --K.K., Lilim of Kobal I thought Kyriotates were mainly into free form Jazz? That doesn't seem to lend itself to three part harmony very often. - -Tim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:15:01 -0300 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> Not exactly a WoD crossover... Kirt A. Dankmyer -- aka Loki wrote: > Speaking of which, I'm curious as to how you're doing the In Nomine > LARP, > not rules-wise (tho I'm curious about that as well), but > scenario-wise. I > mean, with the Two Obvious Sides, things can get real combative real > fast > (especially with Malakim around)... I know... But I think this is the key point of playing IN LARP: we can go back to the GAME part of Roleplay - not just wandering around a dark room full of vampires. Not that I don't like Vampire LARP (or Werewolf, Wraith...), but I got tired of watching a bunch of people in a poor LARP game with no goals at all - people who will undoubtedly get together past midnight to 'kill the prince'... In IN there's clearly two sides - one good, one evil. Black and white. No shades of gray. Ok, there's always the good demon or the bad angel - but in the end they know who they serve. In a one-shot LARP game, probably one side will win and the other won't! You still have your personal goals, but you're also part of a team - that's it: The *teamness* (forgive me, O Angel of Words) of IN LARP is one of the things that first attracted me. Of course, an ongoing IN LARP chronicle is totally different... And the occasional Malakim - well, if a pack of Werewolves can go live, I don't see why they couldn't. Roleplaying is a *personal* experience after all. And even a Malakim would wait to get his demon out of sight... Andre P.S. As for the rules, I'm still working on them... But I'll let y'all know when I'm done. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:46:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Outcasts Peter Frederick suggests... > Wouldn't the Outcast's status be partly determined by how they departed? That's about how I feel about it, anyway.. > Example 1. Bob (the Archbishop shooting Malakim) fouls up a few more > serve. Mike strips Bob of everything that connects them - rites, choir > attunements, servitor attunements, distinctions and anything else that Bob > gained through his service to Mike. Mike gives Bob a new vessel and then Depending on the circumstances and his mood, Michael may not even take everything away..(especially from a Malakim, who he'd definitely be hoping will come back into the fold..) It may be more of a, "Now, look, I'm not going to talk to you for a while, and certainly won't be giving you those extra bits of Essence, but see how you go it on your own for a bit. Good luck." > Rites of other AA's she has gained access to. Until Lawrence decides to > remove her attunements and distinctions she might still be able to use them, > though she may not wish to for both practical and spiritual reasons. For personal preference, she may not, though mainly from the suggestion that Outcasts and Renegades do keep Attunements, I tend to think those are more a matter of slight alterations made in the Celestial's personal symphony, and no longer necessarily any connection to the Superior (as Rites tend to be..) In other words, when Jane uses her Cherub of the Sword Attunement, I don't think it makes her any more traceable to Laurence than anything else...it's only when she takes a nap in an armory in hopes of gaining new Essence that he feels that little tug and says, "Aha!" The Superiors, otherwise, are darned powerful but pretty distinctly not omnipresent, so I think they actually have to be there to take your Attunements away...I don't even think an Angel could deliberately give them up without another Superior's help. 'Course, if they have your Heart, they can do it, but that's why Renegades and Outcasts have to do something about those. (Actually Falling or Redeeming is a more radical matter, since you get a whole new Heart then and a major change in Resonance...that wipes the slate clean.) But, yeah...the Outcast's status with other Angels and with his Superior is likely to depend significantly on the circumstances and who the Superior is. Even a Renegade...Asmodeus isn't likely to listen to much in the way of excuses, but I could see him ORDERING a Servitor to go Renegade in order to `network' with other Renegades, and then report back... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:21:55 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Gabriel's attunements > >Wanted some help with In Nomine, since I wanted a ruling from an > >experience Choir Master before I ran my game on Sunday. I'm very > >excited about running my game and everyone's psyched to play, but > >I'm not 100% ready. How would you rule the Gabriel servitor > >attunement on pg 119,, Dance of the Atoms works. It says the angel > >can control the ambient temp. in his field of vision up or down 10 F > >for every point in his Corp. Forces. Can he concentrate it on just > >one point (a person?). Is it cumalitive if he concentrates for several > >rounds, and if so, what point does it stop. And it says that you can't > >kill people instantly with this, implying that they can be killed over a > >period of time. Any rulings? Quick answers: Ambient temperature=room temperature Things in the area will start to heat up until they match the ambient temperature. You can't concentrate on just one object. The ambient heating takes place almost automatically up to a maximum of 10 degrees times CorpForces Duration lasts as long as concentration does (though heated objects will still have to cool off) If you put someone in a room that's about 140 degrees, they will eventually die. Ditto for someone in a very cold room. Fatal, yes. Quick, no. ;) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:38:32 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Arches&Princes > > You see? The Princes are so far beyond Force-9 angels > > and demons that it is _never_ a contest. If it was, they would > Ooh, say, bad example. Haagenti was a Familiar once..by the > description, it doesn't even sound like it was all that long ago, at least > in the grand scheme of things. Kobal guided him through some "growth > spurts" and...suddenly he pops around and devours SEVERAL Princes? Sloth > is the only one mentioned, so maybe he only went after comparatively > `easy' targets like that, but...while Force 9 Celestials are certainly > outclassed beyond description, Haagenti in particular does seem to hold > out the thought that any Celestial - even an Imp or Reliever - can aspire > to challenge a Superior... Those were obviously some pretty mondo 'growth spurts'. And I imagine there is a certain amount of power gained for each Prince you destroy. Sloth was probably too lazy to put up the proper defenses. ;) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:33:56 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Outcast Questions > >Also, was there ever a canon answer as to what happens to an Outcast when > >his Coproreal Vessel is killed? > > I suspect, from conversations in which Karakash was a participant, > that There Will Be. If they would just make me 'El Presidente Supremo Dictator for Life', these petty problems could be solved with a wave of my hand. ;) I think SJ has that spot, the couter-revolutionary, bourgeois pig-dog! O=) O;) O=) No agreement on what should happen yet. The problem is that the answer is vitally important to how the world works so it can't be decided in haste. Here's a couple of suggestions and you can take your pick until the official answer is out. 1) They go to an area of the Marches to wander howling until they can pull themselves back together. (I like to call this land Purgatorio or Limo... dealers choice.) 2) Their forces are bound to their rotting corpse... ewwwww! Also rather dangerous if someone disliked them enough to take advantage and kill them when their Forces are exposed like that. 3) Their forces still drag themselves back to heaven where, after a suitable period of Trauma, they eventually recover and then fall back out of heaven to either the Corporeal or Celestial. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:39:57 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Speaking of bombs! At 05:13 PM 6/22/97 -0500, you wrote: > Speaking of bombs in In Nomine, I got to blow up the Galleria in last >week's session! It was so satisfying somehow... :) > The Galleria and the Bonaventure get blown up in every modern day campaign my group's been in so far. -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:36:27 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Screwin' with the Seraphim At 07:29 PM 6/22/97 -0700, you wrote: > This thought came to me as I was working in lab... > > A Seraphim of Yves walks into my lab, grabs one of my eppendorf >tubes and dabs a bit of its contents on his finger. Now, using his >Attunement,does he sense the "true name" of the contents as: > I think that this would be better posted under "In Nomine on the brain".... -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:03:40 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Adventure : Play Misty For Me At 06:48 PM 6/20/97 -0400, you wrote: >On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >> That should be fairly easy. Write a plot where the true villain >> is grossly unjust. We all prefer mercy to justice, but our preference >> for justice over lying, cheating, theft, assault, or murder is at >> least as great. > >Actually, in my experience, most role-players prefer justice over mercy - >and the wages of sin are "death". RPGers can be a bloodthirsty, >unforgiving lot :) > Yep. But Gabby's more up front about it than Dominic. -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:26:32 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Arches&Princes > Ooh, say, bad example. Haagenti was a Familiar once..by the >description, it doesn't even sound like it was all that long ago, at least >in the grand scheme of things. Kobal guided him through some "growth >spurts" and...suddenly he pops around and devours SEVERAL Princes? Sloth >is the only one mentioned, so maybe he only went after comparatively >`easy' targets like that, but...while Force 9 Celestials are certainly >outclassed beyond description, Haagenti in particular does seem to hold >out the thought that any Celestial - even an Imp or Reliever - can aspire >to challenge a Superior... > But, by that example, it looks like he needed assistance to move him into that power level. So it still keeps with assertion that there is a qualitative difference between the groups. -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:46:19 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Oh JHVH not more about Roles > If a celestial has a role and performs actions that might otherwise disturb > the symphony but can attribute it to something hir role would do, then the > disturbance is avoided. > If my Ophanite has a Taxi Driver role and swerves across three lanes of > traffic to make a left turn thus causing a seventeen car pile up, is > the disturbance avoided? > > If my CHerub has a role as a liquor store owner and plugs four robbers with > a shotgun, is dissonance avoided? I'd allow a Role roll for both of these. Taxi drivers can drive crazy at times and liquor store owners occasionally shoot robbers (not nearly enough, IMO). Now if the store owner was prowling the streets at night with his trusty shotgun looking for evildoers... THAT would not be covered! ;) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:46:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Rescue: 666 (kinda long seed) > That's where the PCs come in. If they'll agree to a teensie little > Geas [Assumption: All Superiors can inflict those, if they wish to.], Though it's similarly probable that they can remove them, if the players think to go to their Superiors and report all this, so the GM may want to be prepared for that... (Personally, I would NOT want to go to Asmodeus or Belial and explain that, "Well, see, we were getting our butts kicked by some Angels, but hap..I mean, tragically, Novalis showed up and saved our lives. Er." For example; Asmodeus, Baal, Beleth, Belial, Haagenti, Kronos, and Saminga probably all fall under the, "It would just be really dumb to tell them" category. Andrealphus, Kobal, and Malphas (if it isn't him behind it) might well be amused and tell their Servitor to go through with it...having an Archangel think fondly of some of their Servants might not be too bad an idea. Nybbas, Valefor, and Malphas (if it is him behind it, and maybe if not) quite plausibily WOULD remove the Geas, in which case the GM gets a player in the party with orders to follow along and work against it...(Alternatively, Nybbas may have his keep the Geas but also carry along this eensy video camera, because this should make for GREAT copy...) Vapula particularly, but otherwise almost any of them, might also go ahead and remove the Geas but order their Servitor to go along and get the Seraph for THEM...) > "dancing" Rite, upon successful completion of the mission. (She's > unlikely to bestow Attunements or Distinctions, unless she thinks > that they'd influence a demon towards the Bright side of the "Force.") Oog..I can think of very few Demon Princes I might be serving that I'd WANT a Distinction from the Archangel of Flowers...can you imagine the next time you meet them? "Say, what's this bright spot on your soul?" Asmodeus asks suddenly... > they try and fail), then one of the angels who was with the kid can > come out of Trauma and provide some hints -- kinds of Attunements > that were used, names shouted during the battle, tactics, etc. This could also be a way to slip one in if one player -REALLY- wants to play an Angel. (Awfully dangerous, though, but PC's are stupid. They're bound to think of a way. Maybe pretend it's another prisoner..) > dissonant/Discordant (it would rather be Discordant than Outcast > or Fallen), or actually become a baby Balseraph (though probably a > thoroughly ticked-off one). Or confused...still preaching Truth, Peace, and Redemption, not even realizing that it's now a Balseraph of Malphas with the Imbroglio Attunement..(Or, for a very special case like this, perhaps Malphas got Kronos to take it on, giving it the Seraph Resonance still...if Novalis isn't paying close attention, even an Archangel might be fooled when they - -really want- something, and that darker shade is just a side effect of that awful place which she's sure will clear up soon...granting that it still won't strictly be on Hell's side, I could see Malphas and Kronos both gleefully working out the whole thing, including the rescue, just to get a Balseraph who doesn't know it right under Novalis's nose...getting her in major, MAJOR trouble with Dominic when someone else notices. Not even Yves could shield her from something like that. Especially if, as I'd propose, the Seraph of Flowers Attunement would just naturally, quietly, twist to something equivalent to the Imbroglio Attunement from Malphas anyway. Poor Shellie wouldn't even know.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:32:17 -0300 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: IN> Invocation Modifiers If a celestial, say, a demon servitor of Kronos, is surrounded by a quartz watch, a wind-up clock, a hand-written biography, a century-old grandfather clock, an atomic clock and is sitting next to the Big Ben does it means he has a +21 modifier to invocate his Demon Prince?? Andre ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:31:03 -0700 From: "Nate Edel" Subject: Re: IN> Humor me, it's a character... % BTW - any IN people in Berkeley? Dunno, but I'm in San Francisco, and looking for some folks to game with -- close enough for you? Nate ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 97 15:43:12 PDT From: Christopher Paul Subject: Re:IN> Passwords - --Your message was: (from Elizabeth McCoy) > There's also things like, "'Scuse me, but could you ask if there > are any friends of one David Stone around?" over the phone. > Hm... How many "spur of the moment" passwords have been used...? Yes, given the wonderful tension in IN of not knowing who works for whom, we've had a few gems along this line. My favorites: Needing to contact a Malakim servitor of Dominic, while in D.C., our Elohite goes to the secuirty desk at the supreme court building and pages: "Mr. Dominic Malakim." Working for the CIA and having a penchant for passwords and responses, my Ofanite came up with this deceptively simple one: Challenge: The Lord is my shepherd... | | | \ / ! Response: ...so where's my mutton? Oh, so unhappy was the poor demon who answered, "uh, I shall not want?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:20:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul F. Strack" Subject: Re: IN> Invocation Modifiers On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Andre Ribeiro wrote: > If a celestial, say, a demon servitor of Kronos, is surrounded > by a quartz watch, a wind-up clock, a hand-written biography, a > century-old grandfather clock, an atomic clock and is sitting next to > the Big Ben does it means he has a +21 modifier to invocate his Demon > Prince?? I'm fairly sure you only get the best modifier available. Paul Strack | Madness takes its toll. pfstrack@math.unc.edu | Please have exact change. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ World of Darkness Page - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/wod.html In Nomine Page: INC2 - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/innom/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:00 +0930 From: "ZZ No Mail - dpo (leave)" Subject: RE: IN> New Demon Prince: Boss Smiley Kingsley Lintz wrote: [snip] > Boss Smiley, Demon Prince of Politics Knowing the Boss Smiley character from the same source, this seemed pretty cool. I liked the subtlety of the Band Attunements and the Distinctions as well. One comment: given the Lilim resonance for bargaining, I imagine that in Boss Smiley's hierarchy and Word, the Lilim would more likely be the powerbrokers and back-room manipulators than what is given here. The ability to trade political favours, backed by the knowledge that next time you _will_ have the other guys vote (no matter the issue) is probably going to make the Lilim of Boss Smiley extremely valuable and highly prized if they operate well. ODie... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:13 +0930 From: "ZZ No Mail - dpo (leave)" Subject: RE: Kyriofluff again (Re: IN> Screwin' w Elizabeth McCoy scribed: > At 2:00 PM -0500 6/23/97, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > [...] > >(And, no, prokaryotes are not kyriotates that have lost their > >amateur standing.) > So, if Kyriotates sing three-part harmony with themself, does this > mean that they like to sing Kyrioke? > --K.K., Lilim of Kobal {Groan - the only appropriate response to a good/bad pun!} If so, that would make a secret tryst between two Kyrios a ... Kyrie liaison? ODie... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:44:13 -0500 From: Charybdis GreyDragon Subject: Re: IN> ...Running a Mixed Troupe. >> >ingenuity in... you know... things of the flesh... And that's a 6 >> >level Role - according to Strack's Role Table, she had to live all her >> >life anyway... >> I'm gonna have to go check out that Roles chart, I think... >It's on my web page I know. I found it today... Thanks.. :) >BTW, I don't insist that the angel live out the entire life in order to >get a Level 6 Role, only that *someone* lived the life. Wish I could get someone else to live parts of *my* life for me... :) Peace, Charybdis GreyDragon karydbis@phoenix.net ** "A pen becomes a clarion." ** ** --Longfellow ** ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #226 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.